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Round 1: Dominique Rodgers Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State
Round 2: Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State

Things are looking good for both our pass offense and pass defense after these picks. We can address DL/OL/S/LB in the second day.

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know who might be a good round 2 or 3 pick? trevor laws DT notre dame. motor guy.

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I've been clamoring for us to draft a DB in the first round for months now. But upon further reflection of the entire draft board I think we can afford to take advantage of the rather deep DB class.

With that in mind, I'll say

1st Round: DE Phillip Merling (Clemson)
2nd Round: DB Terrell Thomas (USC)

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I really, really like Calais Campbell, and would trade up in the 2nd round for him if he makes it through the first, but he's not the gamebreaking explosive type that we need in the first round.

Therefore, we can either go for Kentwan Balmer (DT) route, or the Branden Albert (OG) route.

Balmer, to me as a prospect, has one big questionmark, and that's as a three year starter at DT for UNC, he sacked the QB 6 times. The ACC is not a particularly strong football conference, especially in the last two years, and thus, I'm not sure he's teh solution to our problems. I'd rather wait a round and snag Trevor Laws, who was a 4 year starter and got 10 sacks.

I'd like to see Branden Albert be our first pick as of right now. However, our very best move as a team picking at 21 may be to wait to see how the draft breaks out, and then trade up 3-4 picks and snag the can't-miss-prospect who inevitably will fall out of the top ten.

So that means:

1st round-Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
2nd round-Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame

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biggest needs: DE, WR, S, OL, DT

multiple names listed, in order of priority (in case other get picked before #21)

round 1
-derrick harvey DE florida
-kenny phillips FS miami
-desean jackson WR california
-rodgers-cromartie CB tennesse
-calais campbell DE miami

round 2
-tracy porter CB indianna
-devin thomas WR michigan st
-mike pollack C arizona st OR other OL (cherilus, baker, etc)

Re: Time To Be A GM: Your 1st Round Pick Is...
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422919]OK, this thread is now about Day One. So rounds 1-2[/QUOTE]

SS, just a reminder, that the NFL Draft Day 1 includes the 3rd round, but hey, I'm ok with only 1&2 up first. I'm just not up on who else to pick in rd. #2. ThatGuy had a nice strategy, but I think we can only focus on one preferred name in each round.

I refer to HailRedskins.com mocks round #2 with Devin Thomas name mentioned pretty often.

I'm no expert, so I only look as far as my nose. With the most Mock drafts anywhere on the web, 184, HailRedskins.com is tops!

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[QUOTE=backrow;423054]SS, just a reminder, that the NFL Draft Day 1 includes the 3rd round, but hey, I'm ok with only 1&2 up first. I'm just not up on who else to pick in rd. #2. ThatGuy had a nice strategy, but I think we can only focus on one preferred name in each round.

I refer to HailRedskins.com mocks round #2 with Devin Thomas name mentioned pretty often.

I'm no expert, so I only look as far as my nose. With the most Mock drafts anywhere on the web, 184, HailRedskins.com is tops![/QUOTE]

It's just 2 rounds on day one this year. Remember the draft usually started at 12p on Saturday. Starting this year it will start at 3p

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8038bd59]NFL cuts time between draft picks in first and second rounds[/url]

Devin Thomas would be a great round #2 pick, but ever since I mentioned him earlier this week several others have as well, so I'll leave it to others to drive that bandwagon

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;423058]It's just 2 rounds on day one this year.
Devin Thomas would be a great round #2 pick [/QUOTE]

Thanks SS! I did not know that little tidbit! Now I can catch my nap before the start of the Draft! (Old age you know!)

I only mentioned Thomas because I saw his name. I know nothing about these guys except the Safety I posted about earlier. I still want DE/DT first. I've also seen that OG B. Albert, from the boohoos of whoville mentioned for us in round #2.

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Round 1: Calias Campbell DE or Phillip Merling DE
Round 2: Tracy Porter CB [url=http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/tracyporter.html]Tracy Porter Scouting Report - 2008 NFL Draft Prospect[/url]

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Calais Campbell

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For round 2 I would like to add to the case for Devin Thomas:
[SIZE=3][B]Devin Thomas[/B][/SIZE]
[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/position?id=1"][COLOR=#000000]WR[/COLOR][/URL] | ([SIZE=4]6'2[IMG]http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nfl/trans/1_4.gif[/IMG]", 217[/SIZE], 4.51) | [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/school?id=2292"][COLOR=#000000]MICHIGAN STATE[/COLOR][/URL]

[B]Scouts Grade:[/B] 89

[B]Overall:[/B] After proving his explosiveness and versatility by averaging 105.5 all-purpose yards at Coffeyville CC in 2005, Thomas enrolled at Michigan State. He played 10 games in his first season in East Lansing, but finished with just six receptions, 90 receiving yards and one touchdown. He broke out as a junior last season, playing in all 13 games and delivering 79 catches, eight TDs and a Big Ten-best 1,260 receiving yards for a Spartans offense that relied heavily on the run. He added 177 rushing yards on 27 carries and starred as a return man, averaging 29.1 on 39 kickoff returns. Compared to most prospects, there?s very little information to go off of when evaluating Thomas. He only played one year at the FBS level, and as an underclassman entry he was not able to compete in a post-season all-star game. His inexperience and lack of exposure naturally creates some doubt. However, the more film we study of Thomas the more impressed we are with his overall physical tools. He possesses the size, athleticism and hands of a future starter in the NFL, which is why we graded Thomas out in the second round. [B][SIZE=3]He will fit best in a West Coast system, where his run-after-catch ability will be maximized.[/SIZE][/B]


Also I agree that we should take Campbell in the first round at DE.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;422876]Jordy Nelson is the sleeper of all sleepers in this draft!!!

HE has the size, quickness, toughness, hands, and break away ability that we would look for at the WR position.

Sorry, to all of the TAlib Fans, but here is a clip of Talib getting baked.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo"]YouTube - Jordy Nelson destroys Aqib Talib[/URL]

Skins4Life is right, he may not make it past the 2nd round, so I think we would have to choose between Jordy Nelson and Devin Thomas, which is not an easy choice.[/quote]

Has anyone mentioned that the guy put up 1,606 yards last year in the Big 12. Thats almost double what Limas Sweed put up during his breakout year. Check out the guys game log and you'll see that he had great games against quality oponents. Unlike Sweed who made a living taking advantage of the Rice's of college football.

The funny thing is that when I was watching that video I kept saying to myself "Is he white? Theres no way its just bad YouTube quality. Wait maybe he is. Alright Yahoo Images. HOLY SHIT HE'S WHITE!!"

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=148060"]ESPN - Jordy Nelson Stats, News, Photos - Kansas State Wildcats - NCAA College Football[/URL]

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

Not going to try the 1st round but if Brandon Flowers is available at our pick in round 2, he's our guy. He's been mentioned a couple times but would project to be a 1st rounder had he stayed for his senior year. VA Tech's dcoord calls him the best cb he's had. Not bad praise.

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Wow! that Jordy Nelson did put up #'s all year he looks fast and he's 6'3 nice choice Dirtbag359

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cerrato trades them away for some big name a$$hole who doesnt do $hit and we end up with nothing

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I have liked the idea of building a team around the defense in the early draft like we have been doing. I like Campbell and Phillips (yes because they went to the U, but they are good players).

But now that Zorn is the coach...I dunno. I dont think we will go after a big receiver becasue he can make Llyod a great receiver. Yes everyone hates him but all the receivers in Seattle are little too, its all about timing routes, which we didnt really do. If we get Moss, L, and LLyod the ball on slants and timing routes so they hvae open space they can be great. We'll draft a big receiver but I dont think first.

I think we go after a DT or olinemen in the first round...which is boring but a need...
second round a receiver
third a corner

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[quote=SKINSnCANES;423464]I have liked the idea of building a team around the defense in the early draft like we have been doing. I like Campbell and Phillips (yes because they went to the U, but they are good players).

But now that Zorn is the coach...I dunno. I dont think we will go after a big receiver becasue he can make Llyod a great receiver. Yes everyone hates him but all the receivers in Seattle are little too, its all about timing routes, which we didnt really do. If we get Moss, L, and LLyod the ball on slants and timing routes so they hvae open space they can be great. We'll draft a big receiver but I dont think first.

I think we go after a DT or olinemen in the first round...which is boring but a need...
second round a receiver
third a corner[/quote]

I don't like the idea after going after a 1st round WR in general unless we can trade that pick alone for CJ or if by some act of God we have Malcom Kelly fall to us. I believe that Sweed has never had a 100 yard recieving game against a team like Oklahoma or Ohio State so that worries me. In fact most of his big games came against teams like Rice and Sam Houston State.

So with that said I say we go after a guy like Campbell in the first round. Mainly because the DE's availabel in the second round are to small to play the left side.

Plus they could move Campbell inside to play DT on obvious passing downs. On top of that Campbell is probably hungry to regain his 2006 form where he brought in 10.5 sacks, and with Blache and company on his ass I think he can do that. Plus his size reminds me of Daryl Gardner.

So on the first two picks I agree with Skins and Canes, but personally I want to see either a Guard, inside Pass rusher, or exceptional safety selected with that third pick. I believe that in this league pass defense is built through pass rushers up front and safetys down deep.

Corners are overrated IMO and to prove my point I bring up Denver. Two pro bowl corners and yet they struggled against the pass. While we had two pro bowl safetys and did exceptional against the pass. Hell the Giants had an anemic secondary but were able to play great pass defense thanks to the guys up front.

Re: (updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)
 

round 1:Brandon Flowers if he is available. If not, Aqib Talib

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[quote=Dirtbag359;423465]Corners are overrated IMO and to prove my point I bring up Denver. Two pro bowl corners and yet they struggled against the pass. While we had two pro bowl safetys and did exceptional against the pass. Hell the Giants had an anemic secondary but were able to play great pass defense thanks to the guys up front.[/quote]Also, Bly and Bailey both had down years, and the idea would be to find players who are better than they were in 2007.

Your point is valid in one big way--it shows that teams with a pair of "elite" players and a smattering of below average players will wind up below average.

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my list goes 1st round: talib or nelson, then 2nd round: (sleeper pick) RB Chris Johnson... only say this from the "best available" point of view. he is the quickest player in the draft and has good hands (and the speed is no BS, a legit 4.2 forty). He could step in and be KR and PR and be a good talent worth developing... i have a sick highlight vid. but i dont have enough posts to put it up yet

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johnson is fast, but so was antonio brown and chad morton and bennet and dante hall and.... now, he's got more talent than those guys (and i'd LOVE him in madden), but speed isn't everything. I mean, reggie bush is probably faster and he hasn't exactly torn it up yet either.

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1st rd-Kenny Philips (lets keep the Miami thing going)
2nd rd-Devin Thomas or Arrington out of MICHIGAN!

NUFF SAID

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1st - corner from kansas Talib or w/ever
2nd - DE... whoever is left

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1a. Kenny Phillips S Miami (Best Safety prospect since ST.)
1b. Phillip Merling DE Clemson (Big DE who can get to the QB)

2a. Phillip Wheeler LB Georgia Tech (Marcus Washington's successor, also had 18.5 sacks during his collegiate career.)
2b. DaJuan Morgan S NC State (Some might question Morgan going this high, but I really like this kid. IMO Morgan easily is an upgrade over Doughty.)

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Round 1: Limas Sweed
Round 2: Lawrenece Jackson

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1st Round Limas Sweed
2nd Round Devin Thomas
3rd Round Jordy Nelson

Come on, one of them has to pan out. Matt Millen ain't got shit on me.

Ironically though out of the three, the only one that I don't want is Limas Sweed. As I said before the guys biggest game against a "big" opponent was against a struggling Nebraska team back in 06. The rest of his big games came against teams like Sam Houston State and Rice. Jordy Nelson on the other hand played in the same conference the following year and never had a game with less then 80 yards recieving. This includes going against the Corner from Kansas who's projected to be a top 15 pick.

Sweed has not proved himself against good competition and for that I believe that he is only a wrokout wonder. Of course part of that might be from playing with Vince Young and a young Colt McCoy but until I hear thats the reason then I'm sticking with my view that we should stay far away from Sweed.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;423684]1st Round Limas Sweed
2nd Round Devin Thomas
3rd Round Jordy Nelson

Come on, one of them has to pan out. Matt Millen ain't got shit on me.

Ironically though out of the three, the only one that I don't want is Limas Sweed. As I said before the guys biggest game against a "big" opponent was against a struggling Nebraska team back in 06. The rest of his big games came against teams like Sam Houston State and Rice. Jordy Nelson on the other hand played in the same conference the following year and never had a game with less then 80 yards recieving. This includes going against the Corner from Kansas who's projected to be a top 15 pick.

Sweed has not proved himself against good competition and for that I believe that he is only a wrokout wonder. Of course part of that might be from playing with Vince Young and a young Colt McCoy but until I hear thats the reason then I'm sticking with my view that we should stay far away from Sweed.[/QUOTE]

I am the captain of the Jordy Nelson bandwagon! For me right now, its a toss up between Jordy and Devin Thomas. Nelson has more production, while THomas has more upside. If we dont get one, then we need to get the other.

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[quote=SkinsFanSince91;423783]I am the captain of the Jordy Nelson bandwagon! For me right now, its a toss up between Jordy and Devin Thomas. Nelson has more production, while THomas has more upside. If we dont get one, then we need to get the other.[/quote]

I'm still trying to decide if it was you or Todd McShay that led me to Jordy Nelson. More funny then that is that I'm getting credit on this thread for bringing up the guy that you mentioned long before I did.

Ironically though every team seems to have a Jordy Nelson bandwagon in all the newsgroups around the league. Hell I bet that there are kids in Detroit going, "WE NEED TO DRAFT JORDY NELSON!"

Anyway I finally get my 1,000th post. Only took me a little over two years. Hail!!!

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brandon flowers is a 3rd round pick at cb at this point. i think only hokie fans are suggesting him in the first round. no thanks. (there are about 10-12 cbs i'd take before him)

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nelson only had one good year, and he's slow (4.57 average, 4.52 peak), but he was consistent across opponents.

probably not an nfl star, but a good chance at being reliable. he won't get away with a lot of those plays on his highlights in the nfl (due to the fact that almost EVERYONE is going to be faster than him), but he's got good hands and no fear and seems like a good value in the late 3rd.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;423024]biggest needs: DE, WR, S, OL, DT[/QUOTE]


Just curious -- why would safety be a bigger need compared to cornerback?

Rogers is banged up, Springs is getting long in the tooth. After that it's Fred Smoot, and behind him you've got nothing but journeymen/backups.

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[quote=Beemnseven;423814]Just curious -- why would safety be a bigger need compared to cornerback?

Rogers is banged up, Springs is getting long in the tooth. After that it's Fred Smoot, and behind him you've got nothing but journeymen/backups.[/quote]

cause that's three guys that can start and you'd be okay, two of which will still be here next year. meanwhile at safety you've got a great starter and a backup, that while better than arch deluxe, shouldn't be on the field if possible.

a guy like kenny phillips gives you a LOT more freedom as far as corner talent, and also probably won't spend much time on the bench (which seems to be a theme with our cbs and moss).

db depth is an issue, but macklin is a good #4, even though he didn't see the field last year.

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[quote=That Guy;423819]cause that's three guys that can start and you'd be okay, two of which will still be here next year. meanwhile at safety you've got a great starter and a backup, that while better than arch deluxe, shouldn't be on the field if possible.

a guy like kenny phillips gives you a LOT more freedom as far as corner talent, and also probably won't spend much time on the bench (which seems to be a theme with our cbs and moss).

db depth is an issue, but macklin is a good #4, even though he didn't see the field last year.[/quote]Out of the CB's we have now, one has a season and development threatening injury, and another has a high cap number and is not a lock to be back, or even to play at a high level if he is. The other, bless his heart, is still Fred Smoot.

I would not be opposed to using a mid round pick on a strong safety prospect, such as a Zbikowski, but in the case of a first round prospect like Kenny Phillips, a lot of his physical skill would be overshadowed by the fact that Landry gets to play the much more open safety position.

It would be the same paradox that Landry faced, forced into a role that only utilized a percentage of his talents. If you are going to spend the pick on the safety it would make sense to put him in a role the best suits him. We have a second year stud in the making at that position, so taking a Phillips-like player, barring a fall to the second round doesn't make a lot of sense.

I gotta agree with Beems here, CB is more pressing of a need than Safety. The guy who is playing the other safety now is still developing, and could prove to be just what this team needs. CB will need to be addressed prior to the 2009 season, whereas safety may not need to be.

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i don't know why some people think smoot is such a terrible player. but whatever, to each his own.

i mean, we have 2 starters at cb for next year, and only 1 safety (with a backup) and the year after that and beyond we'll still have two unless carlos's injury is far worse than has been reported. it's silly to think we're going to ditch springs this year without a FA replacement or that we're just going to start a rookie corner at the #1 spot and pray for the best.

btw, the "too much talent" argument is kinda weak, though i've heard it before. they figure out ways to use him and he'll figure out a way to make plays. i mean, taylor and landry sure looked better than landry and that other guy ;)

i also think you overlooked that i had the skins projecting to pick up a cb in either the 1st or 2nd (DRC, porter, etc) and in day two, so i don't really understand what inspired such a long response. I was talking about immediate impact and this whole deal about whether we'll need a new corner at some point thing is sorta a completely different direction than that (since a cb faces more competition to start here, takes longer to learn, etc).

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round 1. Aquib Talib or Tracy Porter
round 2. Kentwan Balmer or Trevor Laws
round 3. Owen Schmitt BABY!!!

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[QUOTE=That Guy;423802]nelson only had one good year, and he's slow (4.57 average, 4.52 peak), but he was consistent across opponents.

probably not an nfl star, but a good chance at being reliable. he won't get away with a lot of those plays on his highlights in the nfl (due to the fact that almost EVERYONE is going to be faster than him), but he's got good hands and no fear and seems like a good value in the late 3rd.[/QUOTE]

Anquan Boldin ran a pedestrian 4.71 at his combine. Not to say I could be in the league, but when I was in HS I ran a 4.67.

Nelson had more production at receiver in college, is faster that Boldin, and will likely enjoy the same level of success, if not more, than AB had in Arizona after a few years. Nelson needs to been in burgundy and gold come the start of the season.

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ESPN is reporting that 8 Defensive Lineman coming out are potential 1st round picks. Skins chances are very good at # 21 to grab one:

The 2008 NFL draft should feature at least eight defensive linemen selected in the first round. The most likely candidates include DEs Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, Phillip Merling, Derrick Harvey and Calais Campbell, and DTs Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis and Kentwan Balmer.

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Calais Campbell, at #21, would be a no-brainer. I'll wait next round for a wide receiver, possibly a big one, a possession one.

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[QUOTE=davelavarra;423898]Calais Campbell, at #21, would be a no-brainer. I'll wait next round for a wide receiver, possibly a big one, a possession one.[/QUOTE]

Will be interesting to see if we draft offense high this year. With Zorn a very offensive minded coach we'll see, depends on Free agency I guess.

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Round 1: If we havent landed Ocho Cinco yet, I think Mario Manningham would be a nice fit. If we have, Vernon Gholston.
Round 2: Under consideration.