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Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_exit_poll"]voting demographics[/URL] in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431653]Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. [B]But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_exit_poll"]voting demographics[/URL] in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary.[/B] (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.[/QUOTE]

There are other differences, besides perceived racism, between a southern Democrat and a northern Democrat that would cause the numbers to look like they do. Think Huckabee vs McCain in the southern states on the Republican side.

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[quote=jsarno;431650]There was a guy on CNN (a black man, can't remember his name cause I saw him in the Phoenix airport back in late January) that said that there just isn't the white racism in the world that people think. I tend to believe him. Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race, but overall it's just not there like it used to be. Maybe it's due to P.C., maybe it's due to awareness...who knows. But white people are just not as racist as people think.
You do have to ask yourself why Obama is getting well over 90% of the black votes, but yet across the country, there is no real correlation of who the white people are voting for. If white people were THAT racist, then Hilary would be running away with most states.

ps- I could safely assume that a lot of people do not in fact know that he is part white, and do not in fact know his middle name is Hussien. Most of you guys in the DC area know this stuff well cause politics are shoved down your throat 24/7. The rest of the world is not as educated (as a whole) when it comes to politics.


[B]
I never said he wasn't "black enough". Just that he's not black. Just like Tiger Woods is not black.[/B]
Be very careful as to how you lump your assumptions because the "majority" of people believe it.
The majority of older Christians believe that evolution is not true.
The majority of the population used to believe the world was flat.
The majority of scientists believed the atom was the smallest thing in the world.

Kind of reminds me of the Lincoln quote:
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
The majority is not always right.[/quote]

Geez. What is he if he ISN'T Black? Leopard print?

As soon as there's a bi-racial baby, everyone wants to try to tell them how they should identify themselves. If Obama wants to identify himself as a Black male, fine. Honestly the majority of bi-racial kids I knew lumped themselves into the Black category, which was fine. And those that didn't try to identify with a race.. that was fine as well.

I think people need to stop trying to say if you aren't 100% Black, then you aren't black or if you aren't 100% white, then you aren't white. That's why so many bi-racial kids always have such a hard time growing up.

My family tends to be staunch against "racial-mixing" and after this, I can see why. (Though I don't really give a damn and I'll continue to enjoy dating outside of my race :))

It's kinda like that episode of Family Guy, where Stewie was conceived by Nate Griffin and Lois LauraBushCheneyPewterschmit and Stewie says something on the order of, "Since I'm half black and half white, now I'll be accepted by both races."

In the end, nobody's really going to accept you, racially. Especially when people aren't as colorblind as they think.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431653]Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_exit_poll"]voting demographics[/URL] in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)[/quote]

I agree with you there. Please note my quote:
[quote]Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race[/quote]
It actually surprises me Hilary is getting the votes she is throughout the bible belt. The old christians believe that "woman should stay silent in the church" and therefore translates that to life. There is a lot that would believe that a woman should not have power over a man, nevermind the most powerful job on the planet.
Anywho, your comments, I agree with.

[quote]As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for clarification.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;431656]Geez. What is he if he ISN'T Black? Leopard print?

As soon as there's a bi-racial baby, everyone wants to try to tell them how they should identify themselves. If Obama wants to identify himself as a Black male, fine. Honestly the majority of bi-racial kids I knew lumped themselves into the Black category, which was fine. And those that didn't try to identify with a race.. that was fine as well.

I think people need to stop trying to say if you aren't 100% Black, then you aren't black or if you aren't 100% white, then you aren't white. That's why so many bi-racial kids always have such a hard time growing up.

My family tends to be staunch against "racial-mixing" and after this, I can see why. (Though I don't really give a damn and I'll continue to enjoy dating outside of my race :))

It's kinda like that episode of Family Guy, where Stewie was conceived by Nate Griffin and Lois LauraBushCheneyPewterschmit and Stewie says something on the order of, "Since I'm half black and half white, now I'll be accepted by both races."

In the end, nobody's really going to accept you, racially. Especially when people aren't as colorblind as they think.[/QUOTE]

Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?

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[quote=jsarno;431658]Your comments beg the question...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?[/quote]

Cause society can't get past labels. It's like my best friend tells me, she said when she met me, she didn't see a black female. She just saw Di'Andra (Thats me! :D). Which I found amazing because I always thought when people looked at me, the first thing they automatically notice, is that I'm black.

I think society doesn't go, "Oh hey! Look at that great guy making a speech." They go, "Hey, look at that Black guy. He's so articulate."

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.

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BTW, I think it's hilarious that Ferraro is claiming that Obama wouldn't be a candidate if he were white. Yeah, because Hillary hasn't gotten any help from being Hillary [B]Clinton[/B].

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431664]BTW, I think it's hilarious that Ferraro is claiming that Obama wouldn't be a candidate if he were white. Yeah, because Hillary hasn't gotten any help from being Hillary [B]Clinton[/B].[/quote]

At least Clinton apologized, which is something out of the ordinary for her. I bet it takes every fiber in her body to apologize and keep a straight face.

Keith Olbermann ripped her a new ass last night and told her she should "Reject and denounce". Which I thought was hilarious. His tirade was great, I enjoyed it.

But God, I can't wait till this stupid democratic primary is over. :Smoker:

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We label because it is our nature. Our brains struggle to understand things and one way they have adapted to be more efficient is to categorize. It is the way we learn so it is simply natural for us to see something or someone and discern the physical characteristics of them and then place them in a "box". Even those who don't "see" a black female when they meet you Rave still do categorize you as black. They'd have to be blind and ignorant not to. What the the more enlightened are able to do is not perceive much about you based on this. There are very few people who can honestly say they don't categorize people. It is basically impossible for us not to.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431658][B]Your comments beg the question[/B]...why do we as a society insist on labels? Why can't he just be Obama? Why label him as black? Why label him?[/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question"]Begging the Question[/URL]

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;431660]And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.[/QUOTE]

If we get there, we'll be the first society in the history of the planet to do so.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to keep making strides, but let's not be naive and think this generation is so special that we'll be the ones to finally put an end to discrimination that goes back to the cave men and probably dinosaurs.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;431660]Cause society can't get past labels. It's like my best friend tells me, she said when she met me, she didn't see a black female. She just saw Di'Andra (Thats me! :D). Which I found amazing because I always thought when people looked at me, the first thing they automatically notice, is that I'm black.

I think society doesn't go, "Oh hey! Look at that great guy making a speech." They go, "Hey, look at that Black guy. He's so articulate."

And here is where I agree with you, that labels are detrimental. I do hope that in another generation or two, people won't be so quick to label someone by race, sexual orientation, or whatever it may be. But unfortunately I don't think we're there yet.[/QUOTE]

It kind of cracks me up when there are a ton of shades of "white" and a ton of shades of "black"...so someone that is exactly inbetween...how does he or she get catagorized?

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[QUOTE=mheisig;431697]No, it doesn't.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question"]Begging the Question[/URL][/QUOTE]

and that begs the question, why are there no threads about what is going on in the NBA, or how Bush is giving us money back this year (the "surplus"), and how many of you that won't accept it because you think it should go to "deficeit". Or preseason baseball? Or the fact that the Yankees signed Billy Crystal? It just begs the question. :D

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431712]It kind of cracks me up when there are a ton of shades of "white" and a ton of shades of "black"...so someone that is exactly inbetween...how does he or she get catagorized?[/QUOTE]

To put the question back onto you, how would you categorize the various groups?

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431713]and that begs the question, why are there no threads about what is going on in the NBA, or how Bush is giving us money back this year (the "surplus"), and how many of you that won't accept it because you think it should go to "deficeit". Or preseason baseball? Or the fact that the Yankees signed Billy Crystal? It just begs the question. :D[/QUOTE]

Gaah it hurts! Stop!

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431714]To put the question back onto you, how would you categorize the various groups?[/QUOTE]

I know you're not going to believe me, I already got blasted when I didn't realize that Ron Meeks was "black". But I don't see that. Maybe it's the fact that I grew up in such a diverse environment, I don't know. I see Obama for who he is and what he stands for, same with Hilary (even though I think she's a bitch). I don't see color. Fact is, we are all a different shade of color. It's hard to find people that are your EXACT shade. So someone has a skin pigmentation difference...who cares? I care about who the person is.

Same applies for homosexuality. I worked with a guy that was gay, and he felt the need to tell me so (even though everyone knew). I laughed and told him he's just Matt to me. Being homosexual is not who you are, it's what you do. I could care less if you're a homosexual or not, I will look at you as who you are.

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[QUOTE=mheisig;431718]Gaah it hurts! Stop![/QUOTE]

I'm just messin with you man. I will likely stop saying that now that I know it doesn't apply. Thanks for the link.

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Jsarno,

I certainly agree that we should look beyond race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But, the simple fact is that very few, if any, of us are actually color blind.

But, I don't quite follow your logic about whether someone is a person of color or not. You laughed at the idea that there are "shades of color." Yet, you also said Obama is not really black. Do you then think that Obama is white?

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[quote=SmootSmack;431294]Dumb comment.
[/quote]


If it is so dumb, then why did the Obama campaign just reprimand a campaign worker for using his full name and distribute instructions and talking points on how to refer to the Senator?

Also, why has McCain instructed his campaign not to use Obama's full name?


BECAUSE people will overreact with "dumb comments" and accusing people of attacking Obama with "hate speech" because they used his name.

Sure, there are a lot of dumb comments flying around. Most of them come from the Obama camp.

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I personally think that when people specifically mention Barack's middle name, they more often than not have bad intentions in mind. How often did people say William Jefferson Clinton? And I have no clue what John McCain's middle name is.

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[quote=mheisig;431698]If we get there, we'll be the first society in the history of the planet to do so.

I'm not saying we shouldn't try to keep making strides, but let's not be naive and think this generation is so special that we'll be the ones to finally put an end to discrimination that goes back to the cave men and probably dinosaurs.[/quote]
Well if you ask me it seems that people now days ask to be divided into groups by what they want to be called or refered too.

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[QUOTE=Buster;431729]If it is so dumb, then why did the Obama campaign just reprimand a campaign worker for using his full name and distribute instructions and talking points on how to refer to the Senator?

Also, why has McCain instructed his campaign not to use Obama's full name?


BECAUSE people will overreact with "dumb comments" and accusing people of attacking Obama with "hate speech" because they used his name.

Sure, there are a lot of dumb comments flying around. Most of them come from the Obama camp.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'll admit I took it as a dumb comment because of your almost complete bias to the right any time a political discussion takes place. I thought you were simply trying to crack a joke (hence the cheerful emoticon at the end) about your "hatred" of the Obamas and Clintons.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431714]To put the question back onto you, how would you categorize the various groups?[/QUOTE]

Here's my thing though. Why does "labeling" always have to be considered negative? I mean some people may categorize me as Hispanic (because I'm part Hispanic) and I don't know that means I need to take offense to that. It's who I am, and I'm proud of it.

To a lesser exent look at this site, we can all "label" ourselves Redskins fans. And people who comment about those of us on the board would say "Look at those Redskins fans" instead of referring to us as Matt, Mike, Jason, Ben, etc. And we take pride in being called Redskins fans, don't we (don't answer that :) )

My color, background, race, etc. don't define who I am but they certainly shape it. I don't think there's any reason to be ashame of that.

(by the way erik2680 must be like "WTF? What does this have to do vaccines for autism?"

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431633]No he's not black...he's only part. His mother is just as white as his father is black. Just cause he embraces his black roots over his caucasian roots doesn't make him any more black.
If you are an Obama supporter, this is the kind of thing I am talking about. Know your candidate before supporting one.[/QUOTE]

Your comments suggest a deep ignorance of the history of racial classification in this country. Ever heard of the one drop rule? Probably not right? Please study history more carefully before you go patronizing people on message boards. As Obama himself said, when he's trying to hail a cab in New York it doesn't matter that he's biracial.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431637]And why is that? Cause I am not afraid to break down barriers and speak without fear of being politically correct?

Sometimes, some people need to learn that there is more to see of this world than the view they see of the inside of thier own anus.[/QUOTE]

No, because you disparage Obama by sharing anecdotes about your friends and acquaintances saying unbelievably stupid things. So because some moron you know doesn't know that Obama is from Illinois that somehow becomes representative of his supporters (who by the way, are disproportionately affluent and educated). I say take a statistics class and get some new friends.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431577]I'm not so sure those comments by Ferraro are completely off base though. Obama is almost to cult hero status, when was the last politician that popular?[/QUOTE]

My right-leaning tendencies (e.g., pro-death penalty, pro-surge, "small gov't is good gov't") prevent me from getting 100% behind Obama. But, he's certainly the most charismatic speaker we've had in a LONG time. Moreover, like Reagan and JFK and unlike Bush and Hillary, his message is positive and uplifting. He also is youthful and intelligent. I think there are more than enough reasons for people to find Obama inspiring, fascinating, etc.

In some quarters, Obama may be appealing because he is black. In other quarters, however, Obama's race is not so helpful. Moreover, there are an awful lot of black politicians who have never been propelled to such prominence in such a short period of time.

So, I guess I have to ask you if you really think Obama is so popular because he is black? If so, do you believe that his skin color may adversely affect him among a certain segment of the population?

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What's amazing about Obama is the sustainability of his momentum (which, perhaps is an oxymoron). I mean this guy "burst" on the scene back in 2004 during the Democratic National Convention when he gave the keynote address. It is not uncommon for the next big thing to emerge at those conventions but to maintain and even elevate that status over a 4 year period is very difficult. I thought, wrongly, that the Obamania was going too strong too fast and would fizzle. But, to this point, it has done anything but.

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smooty,i really feel the people are ready to get away from the " same old thing" in Washington. Obama gives hope for a new direction

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[quote=SmootSmack;431774]What's amazing about Obama is the sustainability of his momentum (which, perhaps is an oxymoron). I mean this guy "burst" on the scene back in 2004 during the Democratic National Convention when he gave the keynote address. It is not uncommon for the next big thing to emerge at those conventions but to maintain and even elevate that status over a 4 year period is very difficult. I thought, wrongly, that the Obamania was going too strong too fast and would fizzle. But, to this point, it has done anything but.[/quote]Which is exactly why I feel that electing him to the most powerful office in the world prior to him establishing a decent voting record would be a critical error.

If he's a solid candidate beyond all the hype (and I want to give him every chance to be), he will still be garnering support like this 8 years from now. There's no reason to rush the man into office before we actually know anything about him other than cliches, and a perceived (but not established) set of liberal views.

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This thread ran off the tracks around post #25. LOL

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;431834]Which is exactly why I feel that electing him to the most powerful office in the world prior to him establishing a decent voting record would be a critical error.

If he's a solid candidate beyond all the hype (and I want to give him every chance to be), he will still be garnering support like this 8 years from now. There's no reason to rush the man into office before we actually know anything about him other than cliches, and a perceived (but not established) set of liberal views.[/QUOTE]

Some of our nation's most distinguished presidents (e.g., Lincoln, Eisenhower and Kennedy) lacked political experience when they took office. Conversely, many relatively ineffective presidents (e.g., Ford) had a good deal of political experience when they took office. So, while political experience is important, it shouldn't be a litmus test for who is and is not qualified to be our next president.

In my opinion, the qualities that separate good presidents from bad ones are intelligence, sound judgment, and charisma. Intelligence and sound judgment are of obvious importance. Charisma, however, is also very important. Our president is a chief of state who has to be able to "woo" the general public and foreign leaders. Our nation's faith in the president has a tremendous impact on our economy, the president's ability to push legislation through Congress, the public's faith in our system of government, and our nation's ability to deal effectively with other nations.

Obama is obviously intelligent, appears to have sound judgment and is obviously charismatic. I differ with Obama on many issues (he's far more liberal than I am), but ultimately, I am more concerned with how my president is going to handle unknown events and issues than whether he is pro-choice or anti-death penalty. IMO, Obama has the intelligence, judgment, and charisma to be able to effectively deal with crises that we don't anticipate.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431723]Jsarno,

I certainly agree that we should look beyond race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But, the simple fact is that very few, if any, of us are actually color blind.

But, I don't quite follow your logic about whether someone is a person of color or not. You laughed at the idea that there are "shades of color." Yet, you also said Obama is not really black. Do you then think that Obama is white?[/QUOTE]

Nope...he's neither. He's just a man named Obama.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431852]Nope...he's neither. He's just a man named Obama.[/QUOTE]

You've recognized in the past that people are black or white. All of the sudden you're color blind? Come on, you can't honestly say, he's not black AND shades of black/white are silly.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;431758]Your comments suggest a deep ignorance of the history of racial classification in this country. Ever heard of the one drop rule? Probably not right? Please study history more carefully before you go patronizing people on message boards. As Obama himself said, when he's trying to hail a cab in New York it doesn't matter that he's biracial.[/QUOTE]

WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431858]You've recognized in the past that people are black or white. All of the sudden you're color blind? Come on, you can't honestly say, he's not black AND shades of black/white are silly.[/QUOTE]

Not really...but I will use terms that you all use. How else would you know who I was talking about?
Also, when he's 50% of both, he is neither, or both...whatever. If you must use a label, try malatto (sp?).

Why does it even matter? Why do you insist on labels?

If a dog is 100% pug, then he's a pug, yet if he's 50% pug, and 50% pomeranian, then he's a mutt. Not a pug.

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[quote=jsarno;431863]Not really...but I will use terms that you all use. How else would you know who I was talking about?
Also, when he's 50% of both, he is neither, or both...whatever. If you must use a label, try malatto (sp?).

Why does it even matter? Why do you insist on labels?
[B]
If a dog is 100% pug, then he's a pug, yet if he's 50% pug, and 50% pomeranian, [/B][B]then he's a mutt. Not a pug.[/B][/quote]

If I ever saw a dog that was half pug, half pom, it'd either be severely cute or punished ugly.

:) Just lightening the tension.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;431864]If I ever saw a dog that was half pug, half pom, it'd either be severely cute or punished ugly.

:) Just lightening the tension.[/QUOTE]

haha...yeah...true. There are some strange combo's out there though.

I actually don't see the point of continuing this conversation, it's going down a bad road, and it appears some can't see any other way of looking at things, and that's thier choice. No biggy. Anything about race is taboo in our country, you can't even talk about it without offending people. To me, there is only 1 solution, that's to break down that barrier. But I understand how others might not be ready, and some not willing.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;431860]WHy would you ASSUME I didn't know that? I have a 142 IQ and a master's degree...I am educated sir.
Now, if you knew what the one drop rule stood for, you'd know it started back in the 1910's or so, and you'd also know it does not apply outside of the USA, only we american's are hell bent on dividing. The main reason for the "one drop rule" was to keep white blood pure, and avoid interracial relationships. It's also extremely outdated.
But hey, if you want to use that kind of system, cause you just HAVE to divide everyone, more power to you. Don't deflect buddy.[/QUOTE]

Surely someone of your considerable erudition can recognize that I wasn't ADVOCATING the one drop rule, but rather, was trying to provide a historical frame for how we have traditionally understood and talked about race in this country.

But your posts have persuaded me and I am willing to move beyond race, like you. From now on race in America is not important. To paraphrase Steven Colbert, the only race that matters is American! Or to paraphrase you, there are no races, only mutts and purebreds.

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[quote=jsarno;431869]haha...yeah...true. There are some strange combo's out there though.

I actually don't see the point of continuing this conversation, it's going down a bad road, and it appears some can't see any other way of looking at things, and that's thier choice. No biggy. [B]Anything about race is taboo in our country, you can't even talk about it without offending people.[/B] To me, there is only 1 solution, that's to break down that barrier. But I understand how others might not be ready, and some not willing.[/quote]

3 Things you can't talk about with people: Race, religion, politics. Or as I was told, "The 3 things you shouldn't talk about at the dinner table."

You're gonna end up pissing off people no matter what side you take when it comes to those things. :(

Re: John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines
 

[QUOTE=djnemo65;431872]Surely someone of your considerable erudition can recognize that I wasn't ADVOCATING the one drop rule, but rather, was trying to provide a historical frame for how we have traditionally understood and talked about race in this country.

But your posts have persuaded me and I am willing to move beyond race, like you. From now on race in America is not important. To paraphrase Steven Colbert, the only race that matters is American! Or to paraphrase you, there are no races, only mutts and purebreds.[/QUOTE]


Sarcasm noted.

By the way, there is a huge difference between seeing shades of COLOR, and using color as a means of separation.