Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

We don't need to trade up to select a Cb, There will still be atleast 3 quality DBs available at the 21. Cromartie will be there at least till the second.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

There should still be a lot of good corners left when its our turn to pick at 21. I'm excited about the prosopect of landing a good corner in the first round.

Rogers cannot be factored into the competitive roster because of the severity of his injury. If he plays great, but we can't expect much out of him this coming year.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

Talib, Cromartie, McKelvin or Jenkins I would gladly accept in the first round

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[quote=WaldSkins;432428]We don't need to trade up to select a Cb, There will still be atleast 3 quality DBs available at the 21. Cromartie will be there at least till the second.[/quote]


i really wouldn't bet on that.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;432451]Talib, Cromartie, McKelvin or Jenkins I would gladly accept in the first round[/quote]

i don't like talib, but i'd be happy with any of the other three. I still doubt ANY (except maybe talib) make it to #21 though.

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I don't hate Talib (or Cason) the way others seem to, but looking at the big picture I think we're better off taking a CB in the 2nd/3rd round (Godfrey?/Thomas?) and worrying about other needs earlier.

Maybe something like Merling, Godfrey, Scheuning? Balmer, Rachal, Thomas? Hard to say really. It may be a little clearer if we sign Hackett.

I just worry that taking a CB in the first round hurts our chances to get good talent in the mid rounds, whereas there is some pretty solid depth at CB in this draft that we can wait a couple of rounds and still get a good choice there.

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porter may be up in the 2nd, godfrey might last till the 3rd... hard to say. also in the third jordy nelson or dexter jackson might still be there too (for the comp pick).

merling/harvey, t laws, godfrey, nelson would be a great haul (and we could grab zuttah and mcduffie at OL late, but obviously we can't hit on 5 positions with 4 picks).

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;432472]I don't hate Talib (or Cason) the way others seem to, but looking at the big picture I think we're better off taking a CB in the 2nd/3rd round (Godfrey?/Thomas?) and worrying about other needs earlier.

Maybe something like Merling, Godfrey, Scheuning? Balmer, Rachal, Thomas? Hard to say really. It may be a little clearer if we sign Hackett.

I just worry that taking a CB in the first round hurts our chances to get good talent in the mid rounds, whereas there is some pretty solid depth at CB in this draft that we can wait a couple of rounds and still get a good choice there.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree. We don't need an uber talent at CB. This defense relies more on matchups and just about any team we play I think Springs can cover their 1. So we're looking for a guys who has decent raw coverage skills and a brain. That could be found in 2-3 rather than taking a marginally better player in round 1.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

Do the falcons enjoy losing? First they lose their offense in Vick. Now goes their defense in Hall. 0-16!:D

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

nfl total acc said deal fell apart now they are talking hall to redskins

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[QUOTE=goingdeep;432724]nfl total acc said deal fell apart now they are talking hall to redskins[/QUOTE]

For a second rounder hell ya

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

PFT.com, Who knows.....the soap opera continues.

HALL TRADE FALLING APART?
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2008, 7:17 p.m.

There are conflicting reports about the trade to send Atlanta Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall to the Oakland Raiders.

Over the weekend, the trade was widely reported to be all but signed, sealed and delivered. Today Steve Wyche of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that the trade is nearly final.

But Hall himself denied that the trade was close. And Adam Schefter reported today on NFL Network that the sides are not as optimistic that the deal will get done as they previously were.

“It doesn’t look like, right now, this trade is going to come to be,” Schefter reported today.

The Falcons and Raiders appear to have agreed in principle that the trade will consist of the Falcons sending second- and sixth-round picks to the Raiders, but the Raiders are only interested in consummating the trade if they’ve worked out a contract that will keep Hall happy, and right now no such contract is in place.

If a contract agreement is reached, Hall will be a Raider. If not, this trade isn’t happening.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

Just heard the same on NFL.com

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8074532f]NFL Video Galleries[/url]

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[QUOTE=goingdeep;432724]nfl total acc said deal fell apart now they are talking hall to redskins[/QUOTE]

Rod Woodson said the Redskins and/or Cowboys would be a good fit for him if the deal falls through.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

As long as we don't have to break the bank.... Welcome to your new home, Hall! :D

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;432787]As long as we don't have to break the bank.... Welcome to your new home, Hall! :D[/QUOTE]

Raiders were going to get 2nd and 6th rounders and give him a big ASS contract.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;432788]Raiders were going to get 2nd and 6th rounders and give him a big ASS contract.[/quote]

Well seeing how we're doing the safety dance this year in FA, I highly doubt we'll get him then.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8074532f]NFL Video Galleries[/url] :bdh:

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

NFL Network reports that this trade MAY not go down, according to that little loser Adam Schefter.

Welcome home buddy.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;432254]i would have given the 2nd rounder[/QUOTE]

Me too

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;432923]NFL Network reports that this trade MAY not go down, according to that little loser Adam Schefter.

Welcome home buddy.[/QUOTE]

Not sure why you think Schefter is a little loser, but that's neither here nor there

You should read at least the most recent posts before you post, what you're telling us was noted several posts back

That said, apparently Hall has passed his physical with Oakland and I have a feeling the trade will happen sooner than later

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;432948]Not sure why you think Schefter is a little loser, but that's neither here nor there

You should read at least the most recent posts before you post, what you're telling us was noted several posts back

[/QUOTE]


hahahaha yeah, seriously.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[quote=SmootSmack;432948][B]Not sure why you think Schefter is a little loser, but that's neither here nor there[/B]

You should read at least the most recent posts before you post, what you're telling us was noted several posts back

That said, apparently Hall has passed his physical with Oakland and I have a feeling the trade will happen sooner than later[/quote]

What've you got a little man crush going on here? lol

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

Here's an update:

[url=http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/03/18/halltradeburst_0319.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21]Hall close to finalizing deal with Raiders | ajc.com[/url]

By the way Dirtbag, I talked to someone earlier today who's pretty closely connected to the Falcons ([u]very[/u] closely connected in fact) and he said that the Falcons are very interested in packaging their high second rounders to move back into the first round.

They want a QB but don't want to spend their #3 on it, but they're afraid that if they don't pick again before the Dolphins 2nd pick then it might hurt them.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[quote=SmootSmack;432990]Here's an update:

[URL="http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/03/18/halltradeburst_0319.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21"]Hall close to finalizing deal with Raiders | ajc.com[/URL]

By the way Dirtbag, I talked to someone earlier today who's pretty closely connected to the Falcons ([U]very[/U] closely connected in fact) and he said that the Falcons are very interested in packaging their high second rounders to move back into the first round.

They want a QB but don't want to spend their #3 on it, but they're afraid that if they don't pick again before the Dolphins 2nd pick then it might hurt them.[/quote]

They have 3 2nd round picks right? Even if they only want to drop 2 of them, that would be a nice deal for Vinny to pull off; 2 2nds for our 1st.

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[quote=SmootSmack;432990]By the way Dirtbag, I talked to someone earlier today who's pretty closely connected to the Falcons ([U]very[/U] closely connected in fact) and he said that the Falcons are very interested in packaging their high second rounders to move back into the first round.

They want a QB but don't want to spend their #3 on it, but they're afraid that if they don't pick again before the Dolphins 2nd pick then it might hurt them.[/quote]
If we made a deal with ATL, that would give us the 37th, 48th & 51st picks correct? If so, this would be a good move to make. The value chart has this deal in our favor also.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;432990]Here's an update:

[url=http://www.ajc.com/services/content/sports/falcons/stories/2008/03/18/halltradeburst_0319.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=21]Hall close to finalizing deal with Raiders | ajc.com[/url]

By the way Dirtbag, I talked to someone earlier today who's pretty closely connected to the Falcons ([u]very[/u] closely connected in fact) and he said that the Falcons are very interested in packaging their high second rounders to move back into the first round.

They want a QB but don't want to spend their #3 on it, but they're afraid that if they don't pick again before the Dolphins 2nd pick then it might hurt them.[/QUOTE]


WIth the depth in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, we would be CRAZY not to jump on this if this is true. The talent isnt much differen't in the first 3 rounds. S owe could potentially land 3-2nd round studs (1st rounders who fell).

To me, our 21st pick isnt even worth their 2-2nd rounders, so Im just hoping this works out...

If we play our cards right, we could end u with ALOT of studs if we land on a lot of our picks.

Unless I had a top 8 pick, I would trade my first away EVERYTIME, for 2-2nd rounders. or a deal like that.... This is the way to build your team.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

7 years, $70 million for D. Hall. Wow!

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[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;432923] little loser Adam Schefter.[/QUOTE]

He does seem to come off as a prick. Did anyone see him and Woodson talking right before the HOF presser? I thought Woodson was going to punch that little punk.

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[quote=SmootSmack;433030]7 years, $70 million for D. Hall. Wow![/quote]

No doubt,WOW is right. I guess you never know maybe even the Raiders can have a good team soon, who knows?

They sure have a much improved roster. Certainly if this deal is sealed they will have a heck of a CB tandem.

[B]

Source: After trade to Raiders, Hall to get seven-year, $70 million deal[/B]

ESPN.com news services

Updated: March 18, 2008, 8:40 PM ET

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=atl"]Atlanta Falcons[/URL] cornerback [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6767"]DeAngelo Hall[/URL] says he will finalize a contract with Oakland by Thursday morning, allowing the trade sending him to the [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak"]Raiders[/URL] to be completed.
[B]Clayton: Silver & Gold[/B]


Frustrated by his team's lack of success, Raiders owner Al Davis has spent a lot of money this offseason. And he's not done yet, writes John Clayton. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3299615"][B]Story[/B][/URL]


A source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that the deal is for seven years and worth $70 million. The amount of guaranteed money and bonuses in the contract have not been finalized.
The source also told Mortensen the teams are discussing possibly more compensation than just a second-round pick for the Raiders to acquire Hall, a two-time All-Pro.
If the deal goes through as planned, the Falcons will have three second-round draft picks and four of the first 48 selections under first-year general manager Thomas Dimitroff.
Hall said he is scheduled to fly to Oakland on Wednesday to meet with Raiders officials, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
"There is just some tweaking of the language that needs to be done, some minor details," Hall told the newspaper. "No deal breakers."
Hall, a former first-rounder taken with the eighth pick in the 2004 draft, would be paired with [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6367"]Nnamdi Asomugha[/URL], giving Oakland one of the top cornerback tandems in the game.
The move would also provide insurance if Asomugha were to leave as a free agent following next season. The Raiders placed the exclusive franchise tag on Asomugha, guaranteeing him at least $9.465 million in 2008. They still would like to sign him to a long-term deal.
If the deal goes through, the Raiders would have only one draft pick in the first three rounds. Oakland picks fourth in the opening round and traded its third-round pick last year to New England for a pick used to draft offensive lineman [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8345"]Mario Henderson[/URL].
The Raiders have been very active during the free-agency season after winning just four games last season and a league-low 19 the previous five years. Oakland has signed defensive tackles [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7046"]Tommy Kelly[/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6361"]William Joseph[/URL], receivers [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5906"]Javon Walker[/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6922"]Drew Carter[/URL], safety [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6895"]Gibril Wilson[/URL], offensive linemen [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6362"]Kwame Harris[/URL] and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5370"]Cornell Green[/URL] to deals that could be worth more than $160 million.
The Raiders also re-signed running back [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6432"]Justin Fargas[/URL] to a $12 million, three-year contract that guarantees him $6 million.

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The "Raiders" still aren't going to be anything to worry about.. It didn't work for us, and it wont work for them... That tommy kelly signing(contract) is gonna turn around and EAT them later. He's NOT worth anything near that.

Is that better? shtt


Proof-read? this is a message board dude, this isn't english class.

I'll worry about proof reading when im getting paid, or graded for it.

If you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=Dirtyskin21;433066]the raiders still aint gonna be shit. It didn't work for us and it wont work for them... that tommy kelly signing is gonna turn around and EAT the later. he was NOT worth anything near that[/QUOTE]

Are you referring to signing a large quantity of free agents? At least all those guys are under the age of 30, unlike many of our overpriced free agent signings. You might try proofreading your posts so they make more sense.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=Smooter;433071]Are you referring to signing a large quantity of free agents? At least all those guys are under the age of 30, unlike many of our overpriced free agent signings. You might try proofreading your posts so they make more sense.[/QUOTE]

Are you referring to our free agent signings of 2000?

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

I think the Raiders are also shipping a 6th round pick to Atlanta

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;433073]Are you referring to our free agent signings of 2000?[/QUOTE]

More so the last 6-7 years give or take? Besides this year, which year (this year is still in question) didn't we overpay for someone over the hill?

No sarcasm intended. If anyone can compile a list of our free agent signing from like the past 10 years or so, it would be much appreciated and very interesting.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

[QUOTE=Smooter;433077]More so the last 6-7 years give or take? Besides this year, which year (this year is still in question) didn't we overpay for someone over the hill?

No sarcasm intended. If anyone can compile a list of our free agent signing from like the past 10 years or so, it would be much appreciated and very interesting.[/QUOTE]

who did we overpay for last year?? we only picked up fletcher andsmoot and both of them did great.

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[QUOTE=Smooter;433077]More so the last 6-7 years give or take? Besides this year, which year (this year is still in question) didn't we overpay for someone over the hill?[/QUOTE]

Why don't you give some examples from the past few years of us overpaying for someone over 30 years old?

Because (granted this is off the top of my head) as best as I can recall Griffin, Springs, Washington, Moss, Portis, Smoot, Lloyd, Randle El, Rabach, Archuleta, Duckett were all under 30 (some close to, but still under) when we signed or traded for them. True some didn't work out, but they weren't "over the hill"

So that leaves who? London Fletcher-well worth the money, Todd Collins-didn't overpay and he certainly stepped up last year. Todd Wade-didn't overpay. Pete Kendall-I guess we could go either way on that one. Mark Brunell-I don't want to get into another debate over him.

So it seems to me, unless I'm really missing a lot, that the notion that we've spent the last several years overpaying for over the hill players is a bit overblown.

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[QUOTE=Dirtyskin21;433066]The "Raiders" still aren't going to be anything to worry about.. It didn't work for us, and it wont work for them... That tommy kelly signing(contract) is gonna turn around and EAT them later. He's NOT worth anything near that.

Is that better? shtt


Proof-read? this is a message board dude, this isn't english class.

I'll worry about proof reading when im getting paid, or graded for it.

If you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry.[/QUOTE]

Hey no need to get your panties in a bind. I had no clue what the hell you meant in that last sentence so for mine and everyone else's convenience It would be outstanding if you just read over your post before clicking submit. It only takes a few seconds.

Re: Falcons Agree to Trade Hall to Raiders for '08 2nd Round Pick
 

Ok, perhaps I blew it out of proportion or I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the early 2000's.

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A few that kinda stick out for me from the past few years,not necessarily all overpaid are McCardell, Patten, Daniels (torn on), Wynn. Im pretty sure If I researched into it I could bitch and complain about every years free agent signing, maybe thats just me being hard to please.:screama: