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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;434827]The bottom line is we're still not getting enough production and TD's out of the WR position. And not having Lloyd really doesn't make a difference cause he wasn't even on the field to begin with. Moss and ARE are not top tier NFL wr's on a year to year basis and the production backs it up. Are they good enough to win with and be a playoff contender? Yes. But is that the goal? If we're going to be a Super Bowl contending team we need a WR that can make a difference in the red zone. It's probably not going to happen this year because we have too many other needs. I'll throw out more names. CJ, TJ, Roy Williams, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Edwards, Andre Johnson, Colston. There are a few more I could name. If we added someone with this type of potential it would open up the whole offense for everyone.[/QUOTE]

So you want to trade for one of those wideouts? Fitzgerald re-upped with Arizona and isn't going anywhere. CJ and TJ are both 30+; surely you don't want us to trade a high draft pick for an aging wideout after you blasted the team for trading high draft picks in the past. Edwards and Johnson couldn't be pried away from their teams with a crowbar. Detroit says firmly that it won't trade Roy Williams unless the offer absolutely blows them away.

If you want us to use our 1st rounder on a wideout, what makes you think he'll be a difference maker? About 50% of late first round wideouts are busts and few rookie wideouts have a meaningful impact. The odds of landing an impact rookie wideout with the 21st pick are pretty piss-poor.

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[quote=skinsfan69;434827]The bottom line is we're still not getting enough production and TD's out of the WR position. And not having Lloyd really doesn't make a difference cause he wasn't even on the field to begin with. Moss and ARE are not top tier NFL wr's on a year to year basis and the production backs it up. Are they good enough to win with and be a playoff contender? Yes. But is that the goal? If we're going to be a Super Bowl contending team we need a WR that can make a difference in the red zone. It's probably not going to happen this year because we have too many other needs. I'll throw out more names. CJ, TJ, Roy Williams, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Edwards, Andre Johnson, Colston. There are a few more I could name. If we added someone with this type of potential it would open up the whole offense for everyone.[/quote]Maybe a year or two down the road, we will have the money to spend on one in free agency. With regards to this draft, a third rounder or lower will be sufficient.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;434835]If you want us to use our 1st rounder on a wideout, what makes you think he'll be a difference maker? About 50% of late first round wideouts are busts and few rookie wideouts have a meaningful impact. The odds of landing an impact rookie wideout with the 21st pick are pretty piss-poor.[/quote]Well, the chances are just as good if not better than any other spot in the first round. I still recommend against it though, because we're in an era where receivers are universally overvalued, both financially and in the draft.

The best course of action to improve our receivers (which as you have stated, isn't really a priority) is to spend a mid round pick on a guy who we expect to be the third receiver of the future for us, and hope we got a guy who is more than that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;434827]The bottom line is we're still not getting enough production and TD's out of the WR position. And not having Lloyd really doesn't make a difference cause he wasn't even on the field to begin with. Moss and ARE are not top tier NFL wr's on a year to year basis and the production backs it up. Are they good enough to win with and be a playoff contender? Yes. [B]But is that the goal?[/B] If we're going to be a Super Bowl contending team we need a WR that can make a difference in the red zone. It's probably not going to happen this year because we have too many other needs. I'll throw out more names. CJ, TJ, Roy Williams, Boldin, Fitzgerald, Edwards, Andre Johnson, Colston. There are a few more I could name. If we added someone with this type of potential it would open up the whole offense for everyone.[/quote]Being a playoff contender is the [I]realistic[/I] goal for this year. There's no reason to go acquire an elite WR before Campbell hits his prime. Some luck can get us deep into the playoffs, but until the QB develops to his potential, we're going to be trailing the elite teams in skill.

The only production you are going to get from your receivers is whatever the Quarterback is able to muster out. That's the flaw in ignoring Cooley in this analysis is that he's the single biggest component of the passing offense, so if you excluded him, the WR production looks shitty. Well duh. If you excluded Steve Smith from the Panthers, they'd be pretty awful too.

I'm sure theres a receiver or two in this draft who will go on to enjoy more success than Moss, but it's too risky to try and find them. Hopefully an opportunity to grab a great player opens up in future years and we jump on it, but Campbell is very capable of playing at a high level with the guys we already have, and that's all SGG and myself are saying here.

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[quote=Mattyk72;434716]Maybe not. When they were talking about bringing in DJ Hackett the plan was to still keep ARE at the #2 in most packages.[/quote]


I am not arguing or disagreeing with you, but the last and only thing that I read regarding that issue had ARE moving to the slot. Where did you get thst interesting little tid bit? Once again, not sarcasim, just interested.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;434839]I am not arguing or disagreeing with you, but the last and only thing that I read regarding that issue had ARE moving to the slot. Where did you get thst interesting little tid bit? Once again, not sarcasim, just interested.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Vinny Cerrato was on Redskins Radio and said WR DJ Hackett would come in for dinner tonight and meetings tomorrow.. The team is hoping to get a deal done with the former Seattle WR in the near future.. He would essentially replace Brandon Lloyd as an outside WR with Antwaan Randle El moving into the slot in 3 WR sets.. In two WR sets, Randle-El would likely remain the starter opposite Santana Moss..[/QUOTE]

[url=http://coveringtheredskins.blogspot.com/2008/03/march-12-dj-hackett-update.html]Covering The Redskins: March 12-- DJ hackett Update[/url]

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I'm not beliving any of the hype surronding him....yet. I don't think I even saw him last year, or remember hearing his name. But, the numbers do stand out. 4.45 in the 40 during his combine, and 6'5 245lbd. That's a huge target for Jason to hit. I hope he does live up to all the talk about him though. Him and Santanna could be leathal on a Defense.

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we should really trade for someone like Randy Moss, I'd give up the entire draft for him

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[quote=GeneParmesan;434856]we should really trade for someone like Randy Moss, I'd give up the entire draft for him[/quote]

And I wouldn't.. A stand out receiver - even Randy Moss or TO is not worth all picks.. There is always a gem hiding in late rounds, we just have to uncover it..

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[QUOTE=GeneParmesan;434856]we should really trade for someone like Randy Moss, I'd give up the entire draft for him[/QUOTE]

That's just crazy talk right there.

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[quote=freddyg12;434816]it's hard to judge "hype" on the warpath. Since this is a pg. devoted to chatting anything skins, of course a guy like Mix is to be talked about. I don't think anyone has said he's a future pro bowler, but like other names on the all man-crush squad, he's a guy we all have high hopes for. True he hasn't proven anything as a wr, but his play on special teams shows that he has some passion for the game.

WR's often take a few years to adapt to the nfl, so maybe he's at the point where he's maturing & feeling confident. Let's hope so. If Mix caught 30 passes this year I think that would be a major success provided he didn't have a bunch of big drops.

I think you're right about the injuries, but not w/ARE. He's been very durable, I believe he missed the first game of his career last year w/his hamstring injury. [B]I agree that we should draft a wr, but that doesn't preclude Mix getting some pt[/B].[/quote]

Right. I'm not suggesting we use our first round pick on a WR. We'd probably be better suited to go OL, CB, or DE with the 21st overall. But there are guys with size who will be available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Names like Devin Thomas, James Hardy, Jordy Nelson, Adarius Bowman, and Adrian Arrington come to mind for projected 2nd or 3rd round big WRs we could look at. Draft a WR and give Mix a shot. A lot of people around here
like him, but I think he's a fringe player as far as making the 53 man.

I jsarno wants to draft Marcus Monk, but we already have a Marcus Monk. His name is Anthony Mix. Sorry jsarno.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;434833]I see you didn't mention Cooley, Portis or Betts. As for the wideouts, ARE had a damn fine year for a #2. Moss is undeniably capable of being dominant when healthy (yes, yes he's been hurt an awful lot). Moreover, we've been fielding a run-heavy offense these past few years so it doesn't surprise me that our wideouts aren't catching 300 balls a year for 3,500 yards.

In any case, I would LOVE to have a dominant wideout. I simply believe that we have more pressing needs elsewhere. Three-fifths of our offensive line is going to have be replaced within the next 2 years or so. Wideouts don't do much good when the QB is laying flat on his back. Half of our defensive line is going to be replaced within the next year or two. Springs and Fletcher will likely need to be replaced within the next year. That's all I'm saying.[/quote]

Well finally someone agrees with me on the O-line. As much as I want a big time WR, IMO we've got to address the O-line first.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;434835]So you want to trade for one of those wideouts? Fitzgerald re-upped with Arizona and isn't going anywhere. CJ and TJ are both 30+; surely you don't want us to trade a high draft pick for an aging wideout after you blasted the team for trading high draft picks in the past. Edwards and Johnson couldn't be pried away from their teams with a crowbar. Detroit says firmly that it won't trade Roy Williams unless the offer absolutely blows them away.

If you want us to use our 1st rounder on a wideout, what makes you think he'll be a difference maker? About 50% of late first round wideouts are busts and few rookie wideouts have a meaningful impact. The odds of landing an impact rookie wideout with the 21st pick are pretty piss-poor.[/quote]

I was just using those guys as examples. Some of them are mid-and late round picks so hopefully we can land someone in the 3rd round this year. I think our FO does well drafting guys. I have confidence that we'll find a Marcus Colston or and Anquan Boldin in this years draft class.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;434910]I was just using those guys as examples. Some of them are mid-and late round picks so hopefully we can land someone in the 3rd round this year. I think our FO does well drafting guys. I have confidence that we'll find a Marcus Colston or and Anquan Boldin in this years draft class.[/QUOTE]

I certainly think we are going to draft a new wideout, either in the second or third round. As GMScud pointed out, there should be guys available in the those rounds who will be able to contribute. I just don't want to see us use our #1 pick on a wideout.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;434913]I certainly think we are going to draft a new wideout, either in the second or third round. As GMScud pointed out, there should be guys available in the those rounds who will be able to contribute. I just don't want to see us use our #1 pick on a wideout.[/QUOTE]

What I would like to see us doing is to go after a guard, like Brandon Albert in the first, then in the second we take Calais Campbell, and the third we take Jordy Nelson or we could take Jerome Simpson in the fourth.

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At least he recognizes the fact there's an opportunity there for him if he has what it takes to take advantage of it. I know very little about Mix or his abilities as a receiver, but I guess we'll soon find out.

I'll hold serve on him and hope for the best, until/unless he proves he has nothing to offer aside from ST. I'm not going to hype him, or declare him a bust.

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I HONESTLY believe that when the 21st pick comes in the first round...and if Limas Sweed is still available...the skins will get him. He had a wrist injury...nothing like a knee or ankle or even toe injury...a wrist injury that is healed. I think he is the best wide receiver in college football and would be a STEAL to get him. Many of you will disagree, but let time prove me right or wrong...I just hope that if I am proven right, it is with him on our team and nobody else's. Mel Kiper still has us picking Talib (cb) in the first round and I really find that hard to believe. Better talent will be available before him...any comments?

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I love this, right now Mix has three threads dedicated to him on the front page of ExtremeSkins. The hype surrounding this guy is unreal.

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[quote=billyredskin;434964]I HONESTLY believe that when the 21st pick comes in the first round...and if Limas Sweed is still available...the skins will get him. He had a wrist injury...nothing like a knee or ankle or even toe injury...a wrist injury that is healed. I think he is the best wide receiver in college football and would be a STEAL to get him. Many of you will disagree, but let time prove me right or wrong...I just hope that if I am proven right, it is with him on our team and nobody else's. Mel Kiper still has us picking Talib (cb) in the first round and I really find that hard to believe. Better talent will be available before him...any comments?[/quote]

I definitely would not hate the selection of Sweed at #21 as long as that wrist is not an issue.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;434968]I love this, right now Mix has three threads dedicated to him on the front page of ExtremeSkins. The hype surrounding this guy is unreal.[/QUOTE]

I know, it's crazy isn't it? One genius poster over there predicted 1100 yds and 5 TD.. The guy hasn't even reached Taylor Jacobs like praise and we're inducting him alongside Monk and Green in Canton.

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If Mix could be a legit #3, then I say hold off drafting a WR until the 2nd or 3rd round. Most mock drafts have the Skins taking a WR in round 1, but I see DE as a much more glaring need.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;435040]If Mix could be a legit #3, then I say hold off drafting a WR until the 2nd or 3rd round. Most mock drafts have the Skins taking a WR in round 1, but I see DE as a much more glaring need.[/QUOTE]

I think you just gave me an idea for a poll question. Thanks!

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Come on Mix? Give me a break, we're hanging our hopes on a guy that was on the giant's practice squad last year?? Oh lordy. I like him on teams but all this talk is getting redunkulous.

We need to trade for Chad Johnson.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;434631]In this age of overexposure, I guess this stuff is to be expected, but there sure is a lot of hype around this guy just for being tall. In all likelihood, we'll be saying "who was Anthony Mix?" by the end of the season.[/QUOTE] Most likly you are right but..........every once in a while a guy like Mix comes out of no where. A guy in the right place at the right time. With the bad luck we[Redskins] have had we are due a good turn. So why not Mix? Sure help in that wideout spot!