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[QUOTE=SBprimetime;441860]I was watching Sportscenter before, and Mortensen said that we offered a trade for Boldin (they didn't have any details on what we offered) and the Cardinals rejected that too.[/QUOTE]

Don't know cause I'm not at work but I think it may have been the exact same deal.

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Bolden is the only one that I think is worth that 1st/3rd plus fat contract deal. His size, hands, and age make him worth it. West coast offense...I'm not thrilled about it, but might as well make the best of it.

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Hasn't Boldin had some pretty bad knee injuries? That's not a concern?

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Wow shot down by the Bengals and Cardinals. Whose next the Lions?

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;441888]Hasn't Boldin had some pretty bad knee injuries? That's not a concern?[/QUOTE]

I remember that he sat out some of last season. I didn't realize he had bad knee injuries. If that's the case, that would certainly affect my view of any trade proposal.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;441814]Lol Mix. ThatGuy have you been able to follow the whole CJ saga today, or did you have to work all day today?[/quote]

i work friday through monday right now... which means i'm going to have a very sad saturday and sunday :/ and yeah, i see it, but its not really anything new.

we're interested, they're not, cj's not happy about it.

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boldin for a 1st NOT 1st + something. he's not cj and he's had 2 seasons with injury issues.

when healthy he's good for 1400 though.

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So I do not have to post my opinion on 3 differnt threads. I will take Boldin, Williams, or CJ in a New York minuite. Yes, I would give up a 1st rounder for any of them. That alleviates the need for a WR and we still have a draft to work with. Great WR's are hard to find. IMO all 3 are great and provide what we need on the opposite end of Santanna (about 16 inches).

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I second 724Skinsfan's opinion that people who demand trades need to be viewed differently. We should also caution against the feeling that a player is "reasonable" because his antics and noise level don't rise to the level of Chad Johnson - he's so far over the line that he can't see it in his rear view mirror.

That being said, Boldin has a case for wanting to move on.
[LIST][*]2003: Recorded 101 catches for 1,377 yards ... In his first professional season, caught at least three passes in all 16 games and his five 100-yard receiving games were the most by a Cardinal since 1998 (Frank Sanders, 5) … authored the Cards’ three longest plays from scrimmage, all touchdowns (71, 60, and 54 yards), and eight of the top 10 … led the NFL with 40 third-down receptions and registered 64 first downs to lead all rookies … held the third down receiving leader spot for 15 of 17 weeks[*]2004: Recorded 56 catches for 623 yards ... Underwent surgery to repair a slightly torn meniscus in his right knee on 8/11 after suffering the injury in a training camp practice on 8/10 … subsequently deactivated due to the knee injury for the first six games of 2004 … returned to action @ Buf (10/31) as a third receiver and recorded a game-high four receptions for 50 yards … in his first start of the season tied Larry Fitzgerald for a team-high five receptions in his homecoming game @ Mia (11/7) for 37 yards in his second game back from a knee injury.[*]2005: 102 catches for 1,402 yards ... Opened the season by continuing his streak of catching at least three passes in every game he has played, catching four passes for 62 yards @ NYG (9/11) … recorded his eighth career 100-yard receiving game vs. StL (9/18) with 119 yards on eight receptions … became the fastest NFL receiver to reach 200 receptions after making eight grabs for 105 yards and a touchdown @ StL (11/20)[*]2006: For the third time in four years went over 1,000 yards receiving and was also selected to the Pro Bowl for the second time in his career ... 83 catches for 1,203 yards [/LIST]
All this while working under a contract that will pay him (only?) $2.5 million next year while his teammate (who averages fewer catches and yards) will average around $14 million a year through the next three. I don't think that's a good atmosphere for him at all, and frankly he has handled himself fairly professionally.

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[quote=Mattyk72;441727]I just saw on NFL Total Access that Boldin has requested a trade. How would you guys feel about going after him instead of Chad Johnson?

Of course the Cards are saying no deal, but would they jump at the same deal we offered for CJ?

[URL="http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2008/04/22/20080422boldin.html"]azcentral.com | Phoenix Arizona News - Arizona Local News[/URL][/quote]

I'd prefer him over CJ because of the age factor. But it's just going to cost too much and he's going to want a deal near what Fitzgerald got. Plus he's injury prone.

I hate to keep repeating myself but why can't we draft a guy like Boldin in the 3rd or 4th round?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;441908]I remember that he sat out some of last season. I didn't realize he had bad knee injuries. If that's the case, that would certainly affect my view of any trade proposal.[/quote]
Boldin had knee surgery in pre-season 2004, missing six games. I haven't seen anything on the knee being an ongoing issue. Last year he missed 4 games with hip/toe issues. He is expected healthy for 2008.

The knee doesn't appear to be a problem, but I'd investigate the hip issue.

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ESPN is reporting that the Redskins made an offer to the Cardinals to acquire Boldin in a trade but the Cardinals declined the offer.

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link on the boldin ESPN article?

I think you have to take the whole Boldin thing in with a grain of salt:
1) He is not much younger than Chad at 27 (2 years and change) so the complaint about Chad's year count is either totally overblown or should be applied partially towards boldin too. And I'll take Chad's consistency and durability over that 2 yr difference with boldin

2) Boldin has had some injury concerns and the last thing we need is an injury prone player on our roster. Just another chance at an offseason hypothetical, leaving us scratching our heads, asking what if so-and-so was healthy.

3) Boldin's numbers are padded by the fact that he played in the pass happy NFC West. When you play in high scoring games against SF, St Louis and Seattle, especially when your team is down by a large margin and has to pass, your WR's are gonna get the stats. Also, the DB's probably aren't as good as in Chad's AFC North (with Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

4) Boldin had the benefit of Fitzgerald taking away a lot of the attention and it probably suited for the #2 role on any team. 85 on the other hand was almost always doubled and was always treated as the #1 threat on the field.

5) Boldin has never really played in big (NFL) game situations. He has no playoff experience and typically his teams have finished well under .500. Arizona is a pretty tame NFL state where little pressure is put on that team to perform. Who knows how he will deal with big city pressure and expectations, especially in a media market like DC?

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;441958]Boldin had knee surgery in pre-season 2004, missing six games. I haven't seen anything on the knee being an ongoing issue. Last year he missed 4 games with hip/toe issues. He is expected healthy for 2008.

The knee doesn't appear to be a problem, but I'd investigate the hip issue.[/QUOTE]

He tore his ACL his junior year of college as well. I think that's why he dropped in the draft, if I recall correctly.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;441971]link on the boldin ESPN article?

I think you have to take the whole Boldin thing in with a grain of salt:
1) He is not much younger than Chad at 27 (2 years and change) so the complaint about Chad's year count is either totally overblown or should be applied partially towards boldin too. And I'll take Chad's consistency and durability over that 2 yr difference with boldin

2) Boldin has had some injury concerns and the last thing we need is an injury prone player on our roster. Just another chance at an offseason hypothetical, leaving us scratching our heads, asking what if so-and-so was healthy.

3) Boldin's numbers are padded by the fact that he played in the pass happy NFC West. When you play in high scoring games against SF, St Louis and Seattle, especially when your team is down by a large margin and has to pass, your WR's are gonna get the stats. Also, the DB's probably aren't as good as in Chad's AFC North (with Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

4) Boldin had the benefit of Fitzgerald taking away a lot of the attention and it probably suited for the #2 role on any team. 85 on the other hand was almost always doubled and was always treated as the #1 threat on the field.

5) Boldin has never really played in big (NFL) game situations. He has no playoff experience and typically his teams have finished well under .500. Arizona is a pretty tame NFL state where little pressure is put on that team to perform. Who knows how he will deal with big city pressure and expectations, especially in a media market like DC?[/quote]

It is in the same article on ESPN.COM that discusses the Bengals declining the offer made on Johnson.

[quote=espn.com]
In addition to getting turned down by the Bengals in their trade proposal for disgruntled Johnson, the Redskins were also rejected this weekend on their trade proposal to the Cardinals for wide receiver [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6390"][COLOR=#000000]Anquan Boldin[/COLOR][/URL], sources said.[/quote]

Link:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557]ESPN - Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no - NFL[/url]

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[QUOTE=sandtrapjack;441964]ESPN is reporting that the Redskins made an offer to the Cardinals to acquire Boldin in a trade but the Cardinals declined the offer.[/QUOTE]

I just saw that on the sportscenter ticker.
What was the offer for Boldin?

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I'd give up this years first for Boldin. Done deal. Maybe even throw in a late rounder...5-7th round pick. Proven talent, young, and what we need. We wouldn't be mortgaging our future either. If you take a WR at #21 it's hit or miss. Almost 50/50 chance he's be productive.

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I really dont feel we have the necessary cap space to make a deal like this work. I mean of course we do if we cut a bunch of guys and restructure a bunch of other contracts, but doing both of those things hurts the team in the long run more than getting a standout WR with the amount that they are going for. At this rate of restructuring contracts, Jansen, Thomas, Samuels, Portis, Moss, Randle El, Carter, smoot, washington, and griffin will all still be redskins when they are 90 due to the rediculous bonus money they will have. Not to mention, griffin, washington, springs, wade, and probably more people but I cant think of them all right now are in danger of getting cut due to the cap.

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I like Boldin for us better then CJ...younger and less mouth. Seems like a good fit next to Moss. i would try and get him for less then CJ though...maybe just the #1 with nothing else added on.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;442053][B]I really dont feel we have the necessary cap space to make a deal like this work[/B]. I mean of course we do if we cut a bunch of guys and restructure a bunch of other contracts, but doing both of those things hurts the team in the long run more than getting a standout WR with the amount that they are going for. At this rate of restructuring contracts, Jansen, Thomas, Samuels, Portis, Moss, Randle El, Carter, smoot, washington, and griffin will all still be redskins when they are 90 due to the rediculous bonus money they will have. Not to mention, griffin, washington, springs, wade, and probably more people but I cant think of them all right now are in danger of getting cut due to the cap.[/quote]

They obviously do since they're trying to work out a deal. I'm sure they probably have the space already penciled in for a contract of that magnitude and have running projections of the entire roster for the next 3 years. If there's one thing this front office knows how to do well it's working the cap.

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[quote=Mattyk72;442055]They obviously do since they're trying to work out a deal. I'm sure they probably have the space already penciled in for a contract of that magnitude and have running projections of the entire roster for the next 3 years. If there's one thing this front office knows how to do well it's working the cap.[/quote]

Im not talking about this year, this year we are fine no matter what, but our system of working the cap is dependent on turning yearly money into signing bonus money, which makes extends their contract because we do not have the room to cut them. Well all our guys that we routinely restructure, our core players, samuels, jansen, thomas, moss, portis, randle el. Are getting up there in years (I know portis is young, but I feel like his physical style of play will have him have a shortened career). We would have to pay old fragile players who are way past their prime loads of money and not be able to cut them. And it has a chain effect because we will have to restructure them again and again because we keep pushing the money back. The only way out of this in my mind is to build through the draft for a good 2 years, otherwise we will be stuck with players way past their prime, and paying them a kings ransom.

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[QUOTE=celts32;442054]I like Boldin for us better then CJ...younger and less mouth. Seems like a good fit next to Moss. i would try and get him for less then CJ though...maybe just the #1 with nothing else added on.[/QUOTE]

I could get on board with that.
And you're right about Boldin being better for us, and being a good compliment to Moss.

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Yes to Boldin. Yes to CJ. Yes to Williams. All three of them would be a good compliment to Moss. Take witch ever one you can get for less. Most likely Roy.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;442067]Im not talking about this year, this year we are fine no matter what, but our system of working the cap is dependent on turning yearly money into signing bonus money, which makes extends their contract because we do not have the room to cut them. Well all our guys that we routinely restructure, our core players, samuels, jansen, thomas, moss, portis, randle el. Are getting up there in years (I know portis is young, but I feel like his physical style of play will have him have a shortened career). We would have to pay old fragile players who are way past their prime loads of money and not be able to cut them. And it has a chain effect because we will have to restructure them again and again because we keep pushing the money back. The only way out of this in my mind is to build through the draft for a good 2 years, otherwise we will be stuck with players way past their prime, and paying them a kings ransom.[/quote]

And like I said they are well aware of how moves made today impact the future. They keep a rolling 3 year projection. They know who will need to be restructured and/or released.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;441971]link on the boldin ESPN article?

I think you have to take the whole Boldin thing in with a grain of salt:
1) He is not much younger than Chad at 27 (2 years and change) so the complaint about Chad's year count is either totally overblown or should be applied partially towards boldin too. And I'll take Chad's consistency and durability over that 2 yr difference with boldin

2) Boldin has had some injury concerns and the last thing we need is an injury prone player on our roster. Just another chance at an offseason hypothetical, leaving us scratching our heads, asking what if so-and-so was healthy.

3) Boldin's numbers are padded by the fact that he played in the pass happy NFC West. When you play in high scoring games against SF, St Louis and Seattle, especially when your team is down by a large margin and has to pass, your WR's are gonna get the stats. Also, the DB's probably aren't as good as in Chad's AFC North (with Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

4) Boldin had the benefit of Fitzgerald taking away a lot of the attention and it probably suited for the #2 role on any team. 85 on the other hand was almost always doubled and was always treated as the #1 threat on the field.

5) Boldin has never really played in big (NFL) game situations. He has no playoff experience and typically his teams have finished well under .500. Arizona is a pretty tame NFL state where little pressure is put on that team to perform. Who knows how he will deal with big city pressure and expectations, especially in a media market like DC?[/quote]

You make a few good points, namely that Boldin has Fitz on the other side to avoid double teams, and the fact that they play awful defenses like the Rams and 49ers twice a year.

But you say CJ was always double teamed? Housh would be a #1 on just about every other team in the league, and helps pull double teams off Chad all the time. How often do you see 85 beating his man one-on-one down the sideline? A lot. And while we're talking about double teams, don't you think a deep threat like a Moss and a middle of the field monster like Cooley would help free up Boldin? I do.

Boldin doesn't have playoff experience, but so what? In my mind that shouldn't factor into a WR at all. A QB? Maybe, but not a wideout. Boldin also starred at Florida State (boooo)- a huge football school - and knows about playing on a big stage. This shouldn't be a concern.

I haven't heard what we offered for Boldin, but I would think Arizona would be interested in Ladell Betts. Edge is way past his prime, and Betts has a lot of miles left and has proven his ability as a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if our offer was Betts and a mid-round pick, or maybe just a 2nd rounder.

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The only way I would trade for Anquan is if we could get him for this year's 2 and next year's 2 or lower. He's not worth what we offered for Chad, but he's definitely better than the players the Skins have at WR.

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Chads not worth what we offered for Chad

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[QUOTE=baxter81;442103]Chads not worth what we offered for Chad[/QUOTE]

If Chad Johnson were available for the 21st overall pick, I wouldn't be too upset. The 2nd #1 is a little bit much, but it may have only been a #3, I don't have too much of a problem with that. He'll be 30, but if this team wants to win sooner rather than later, that would not have been that bad of a trade. It's a lot to give up, but I have very little faith that the Skins will pick a player who can make an immediate impact at the 21st overall pick.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think they may be disappointed.

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[QUOTE=jdlea;442105]If Chad Johnson were available for the 21st overall pick, I wouldn't be too upset. The 2nd #1 is a little bit much, but it may have only been a #3, I don't have too much of a problem with that. He'll be 30, but if this team wants to win sooner rather than later, that would not have been that bad of a trade. It's a lot to give up, but I have very little faith that the Skins will pick a player who can make an immediate impact at the 21st overall pick.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think they may be disappointed.[/QUOTE]

It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB). Chad is a great receiver and i would love to have him in the "Maroon & Black". If it were just the 21st, i would pull the trigger, but a 1st and a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is too much

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[QUOTE=baxter81;442115]It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB). Chad is a great receiver and i would love to have him in the "Maroon & Black". If it were just the 21st, i would pull the trigger, but a 1st and a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is too much[/QUOTE]

The conditional is based on Chad and [B]the Redskins[/B] reaching certain performance levels. If they have to go to a Super Bowl to make that 3 a 1, then I don't have a problem giving up next year's first round pick if Chad and The Skins make it all the way to the Super Bowl next year. I will admit that I'm biased, I love Chad Johnson, he's probably my favorite receiver in the game, but I think, objectively looking at it, a 1 and next year's 3 isn't too much to give up. If the Skins weren't picking at 21, I'd be against it, but I don't trust anyone out of this draft outside of the Longs, Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden to step right in and make an impact anytime soon. That said, Chad could and that could potentially make the difference between the playoffs and a losing season.

Also, I'm not a fan of drafting a guy in round 1 and making him sit unless he plays QB.

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[QUOTE=redsk1;442029]I'd give up this years first for Boldin. Done deal. Maybe even throw in a late rounder...5-7th round pick. Proven talent, young, and what we need. We wouldn't be mortgaging our future either. If you take a WR at #21 it's hit or miss. Almost 50/50 chance he's be productive.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. Drafting WRs (or any player for that matter) is a risky proposition. These guys have all proven that they can play serious WR in the NFL. It does not surprise me at all that the teams in question turned us down.

I think Boldin would be a great compliment to the small fast WRs we have. But I would be shocked if the Cards give him up.

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Should we change the title of the thread to something like "Cardinals turned down Redskins offer for Boldin"?

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[QUOTE=baxter81;442115]It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB). [/QUOTE]

I couldn't have said it better. But think of all the $$ Dan-o would make off of ocho cinco jerseys!! A 21st pick rookie won't sell nearly as much.

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[QUOTE=killromo;442129]I couldn't have said it better. But think of all the $$ Dan-o would make off of ocho cinco jerseys!! A 21st pick rookie won't sell nearly as much.[/QUOTE]

This is true

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I'd love to see what some these GM's and coaches that are turning down the Redskins were like when their girlfriends tried to break up with them before they got married.

"Mike it's over, I'm sleeping with your best friend. I want to see other people"

"NO! I'm going to stick to my guns. It'll take two people to end this relationship and right now you only have one."

I probably could have come up with a better joke but I'm out of ideas for now.

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I would definitely take Boldin over Johnson and Williams.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;441971]link on the boldin ESPN article?

I think you have to take the whole Boldin thing in with a grain of salt:
1) He is not much younger than Chad at 27 (2 years and change) so the complaint about Chad's year count is either totally overblown or should be applied partially towards boldin too. And I'll take Chad's consistency and durability over that 2 yr difference with boldin

2) Boldin has had some injury concerns and the last thing we need is an injury prone player on our roster. Just another chance at an offseason hypothetical, leaving us scratching our heads, asking what if so-and-so was healthy.

3) Boldin's numbers are padded by the fact that he played in the pass happy NFC West. When you play in high scoring games against SF, St Louis and Seattle, especially when your team is down by a large margin and has to pass, your WR's are gonna get the stats. Also, the DB's probably aren't as good as in Chad's AFC North (with Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

4) Boldin had the benefit of Fitzgerald taking away a lot of the attention and it probably suited for the #2 role on any team. 85 on the other hand was almost always doubled and was always treated as the #1 threat on the field.

5) Boldin has never really played in big (NFL) game situations. He has no playoff experience and typically his teams have finished well under .500. Arizona is a pretty tame NFL state where little pressure is put on that team to perform. Who knows how he will deal with big city pressure and expectations, especially in a media market like DC?[/quote]


point 3 and 4 bunk, he was the only WR his first year and still got a hair away from 1400, which is better than i've seen a WR do here in just about forever. he a LEGIT #1! he's DEFINITELY better than santana and he has less injury problems as far as games affected (santanna's hammy's just linger forever). though the point about injury concerns are totally valid.

point 5 is bull, i mean, no offense, but that's a stupid arguement. if matt hasslebeck played in dc, he'd be loved by the fans, cause HE CAN PLAY. boldin would be in the same situation.

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[quote=skinsfan69;441951]I'd prefer him over CJ because of the age factor. But it's just going to cost too much and he's going to want a deal near what Fitzgerald got. Plus he's injury prone.

I hate to keep repeating myself but [B]why can't we draft a guy like Boldin in the 3rd or 4th round?[/B][/quote]

why can't we win the lottery every day?

boldin was a 2nd rounder i believe (but colston was a 7th rounder, and there's jerry rice)

it's just not that easy.

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[quote=That Guy;442149]point 3 and 4 bunk, he was the only WR his first year and still got a hair away from 1400, which is better than i've seen a WR do here in just about forever. he a LEGIT #1! he's DEFINITELY better than santana and he has less injury problems as far as games affected (santanna's hammy's just linger forever). though the point about injury concerns are totally valid.

[B]point 5 is bull, i mean, no offense, but that's a stupid arguement. if matt hasslebeck played in dc, he'd be loved by the fans, cause HE CAN PLAY. boldin would be in the same situation[/B].[/quote]

yeah I agree, #5 is really stretching it.

He played at Florida St., did he not play any big games there??

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[quote=Mattyk72;442161]yeah I agree, #5 is really stretching it.

He played at Florida St., did he not play any big games there??[/quote]

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