Re: Colt Brennan
 

This doesn't bode well for Brennan....remember the last #5 we had....I'm just sayin'

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[quote=skinsfan69;449293]Can anyone name a run and shoot QB that has made it in the pros? Or anyone that has played for June Jones? Or anyone that plays from the shotgun most of the time? I can't name one.[/quote]Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.

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[quote=ptracy20;449318]Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.[/quote]

You must be a professional scout. Seems you have based your opinion on one game? How about we base our opinion of the Redskins entire team based on one game last year. The Patriots game. I wouldn't want any of those guys on my team. They all looked horrible.

If a quarterback plays in a game in which his offensive line is completely outmatched he is going to get killed 9 times out of 10. I really wouldn't put much stock into that Sugar Bowl. What kind of performance do you think Brennan could have had against Georgia had he let's say been under center behind Matt Ryan's BC line?

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[QUOTE=ptracy20;449318]Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.[/QUOTE]

So by that logic, players that played in division 2, or lower aren't worth a spot cause they don't play the cream of the crop? I don't remember what Mississippi Valley St was, but I am fairly certain it wasn't Division 1, and Jerry Rice turned out to be quite a player.
I'm not saying Colt is the next Jerry Rice (for obvious reasons), but I am saying there can be some serious talent outside of the usual places.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

cooley wasn't a big school player (1260yrds receiving as a fullback (that never blocked)).

as far as successful QBs coming out of shotgun only offenses... ben roth up in pit only won a superbowl. is that example good enough?

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I don't follow college football enough to know which programs run the run and shoot, or primarily shotgun offenses, I live and breathe Pro Football and I understand it's more about how they absorb their coaching once they make it. Look at Ryan Leaf...he came from a great school, and he decided he was the man, and didn't listen to anyone. It's all about how willing they are to succeed. It's hard work...and to me, Colt seems willing to put in that work...but you never know.

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[quote=GTripp0012;449480]Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.[/quote]
Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;449506]Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

[b]Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)[/b][/QUOTE]

Exactly...and if he doesn't work out...so what? It only cost us a 6th rounder. No big deal.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;449506]Colt definitely played in the Run & Shoot, this is June Jones' favored system. He also used it when he was HC in Atlanta. The Spread has evolved from the same offensive "tree" though.

skinsfan69 is right, I couldn't name any average or better NFL QBs that came from a college offense that was primarily a shotgun based offense. If you can name some, I'd like to hear what you come up with. Alex Smith & Vince Young come to mind, but I would argue neither is an "average" NFL QB right now. But the jury is still out on both of them.

What was the major difference in numbers between Chang & Brennan? Chang set the NCAA record for career passing yards and is third on the all-time TD list behing Brennan. Let's hope there is a difference in how Brennan adapts, Chang is in the CFL.

Not the norm but not unprecedented, for a 6th round or later QB to be successful, Brady, Derek Anderson, Matt Hasselbeck, Romo (undrafted), Jeff Garcia (undrafted), Trent Green (8th Round), Kurt Warner (undrafted)[/quote]There's one big name you guys are forgetting. Drew Brees. Also, don't forget Ben Roethlisberger. Miami (OH) was a spread offense when he played there.

Also a handful of others with a track record of success or at least potential. Culpepper at UCF. Leftwich at Marshall. Kolb at Houston last year, is a guy that most scouts thought had 2nd round skill, and did go in the second round. Flacco played out of the Shotgun primarily at Delaware.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=GTripp0012;449480]Moon?

Colt didn't play in a run and shoot, he played in a spread, which produces successful passers at the same rate as pro style college offenses.

If Brennan was successful in the NFL after falling to the 6th round, it would be unprecedented. Then again, his statistics in college were totally unprecedented. There's a big difference between Chang's numbers, and Brennan's, and presumably, there will be a difference in the way they adapt to the pro game.[/quote]

June Jones coaches the run and shoot offense which has 4-5 wr's on the field at all times and is a pass first offense. The knock on it is the QB is never ever under center. Jack Pardee also ran it when he coached at Houston in college. Andre Ware and David Klingler would put up huge huge passing stats. I think I remember these guys throwing for 600-700 yards in some games. However not one of them ever made it in the pro game. No Qb's that play in the system ever seem to make the transition to the pro game.

The spread is what Alex Smith and Vince Young ran at college and it's run by West Virginia and Florida. The field is spread out by formation but you could have a fullback and a TE on he field most of the time. And you run the option from the shotgun. It's a run first offense.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

My point about the run and shoot is that it's an incredibly rare offense, and just because two guys who played in it at the same school couldn't translate it doesn't mean no one can. Quarterbacks given adequate experience translate just fine out of the spread.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

I listened to the kid on Redskins radio and liked what he had to say. I like the kid. I think he will do well.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=ptracy20;449318]Guys please remember one thing. Colt had a great season playing in a pass happy offense agianst sub par teams. In the bowl game agianst Georgia his first real test all year he looked awful. He is a career backup at best and never anything more.[/quote]

Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.

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[quote=That Guy;449500]cooley wasn't a big school player (1260yrds receiving as a fullback (that never blocked)).
[B]
as far as successful QBs coming out of shotgun only offenses... ben roth up in pit only won a superbowl. is that example good enough?[/B][/quote]

Yeah, the "shotgun" argument isn't really valid. College offenses use the shotgun a lot more than in the pros, so it's very very common for QB's to have to adjust.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;449477]This doesn't bode well for Brennan....remember the last #5 we had....I'm just sayin'

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At least now anyone with a Shuler jersey rotting in their attic can get the name replaced and hope it's a jersey they can actually be seen in.

There won't be any shame as long as he's still on the bench...when he hits the field, that's when the embarrassment of being seen with his number on could begin. :)

Re: Colt Brennan
 

this kid will be a massive steal when the redskins release him in a few yrs time sine JC will become a pro bowl QB under zorn brennan will develop alot and we will either trade or release him in say 3 years time

Re: Colt Brennan
 

But who would want him if he's never taken a snap?

Sure he could be a quality backup in the right system, but having no experience will not make him valuable enough to be a "steal" for us.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

Right now Brennan is hurt and will have a tough time knocking of Campbell or Collins when he's 100%.

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First off, I am a Campbell fan and think he will excell in this new offence but I do like the CB pick.. Seriously whats not to like about this guy, the doubters about his arm are just wrong. Look at his highlights. The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity, Joe was criticized about his arm and came in to the west coast offence sat for 2 years and u know the rest. Im not saying we have the second comming here but hey we drafted the NCAAs all time leader in touchdowns with a 6th round pick. With that being said I reserve all judgement of him as should everyone until we see him in the preseason.

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[QUOTE=Sheppdog;449948] The comparisions to Montana have some crediblity[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="4"]WHAT[/SIZE]? C'mon man. Don't compare CB to Joe.
Don't.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

Quite honestly, I can't imagine Colt Brennan starting here, or anywhere else in this league. The offense he ran in college was like a backyard football game, and I think a big reason he put up such great numbers was because of the teams they played. The Sugar Bowl is a great showcase of what Hawaii did against real competition. Even when Brennan didn't have a defender in his face he was still making poor decisions.
I can assure you though, if Campbell isn't the answer, neither is Brennan.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=Angry;449547]Are you seriously faulting a guy for his teams performance against a superior SEC team. There was only 1 other playmaker on that offensive unit. Everyone else was just a body lining up against the superior recruiting of Georgia. Oh you're right, I can see how that is Colt Brennan's fault.[/quote]

I agree, and no I'm not a Georgia fan (or a Tech fan for that matter), far from it actually but if you watched the game Brennen had almost no time to throw. I will admit Brennen made some bad plays when he didn't have pressure, but for the most part there was a Georgia defender in his face almost everytime he dropped back to pass, and despite that he was able to get the ball off. Of course in the end he was sacked 8 times, and personally a lot of those sacks looked like he was reached in less then 3 seconds, not necessarily sacked, but close enough to prevent him from setting his feet. If you don't believe me then see for yourself.

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Re: Colt Brennan
 

Best case scenario for Colt:

Makes team as #3 this year. After 2 more seasons Collins retires and he becomes #2 and re-signs a 4 yr contract. Two more years of spot duty and sensational preseason games he is his generations Rob Johnson. Skins let him go for a #2 pick and he takes over another team after Zorn, Collins, and other veterans and coaches have gotten him as ready as possible.

Sounds good to me.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

lol, sure are a whole lot of prescient people in this thread. somebody please tell me the lottery numbers! who will win the presidential election? will i ever find TRUE LOVE???

Re: Colt Brennan
 

i think maybe he should make the final roster before we start calling him the next montana... just maybe...

Re: Colt Brennan
 

On a postive note, the front office got this guy in the 6th round & they have an opening for the #3 qb spot, nothing more. It's an ideal scenario to determine whether or not he has enough upside to keep around & groom to be the #2 qb in 2010.

If he does nothing more than simply make the team, you still have to look at this as another example of how important it is to keep draft picks & have the flexibility to take some inexpensive chances on players in the late rounds.

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Re: Colt Brennan
 

Hey guys, I'm new to the forum but i am one of Colt's biggest fans and felt the need to defend him.

Yes, he played at Hawaii in a weak conference in a very pass-heavy offense. And yes, this gave him an opportunity to throw more touchdown passes than other QBs who throw the ball less, but look at his other stats. He had about a 70% completion percentage over his career and his efficiency ratings were off the charts. These are stats that can't be inflated by the number of passes he threw and you have to be incredibly accurate to attain those stats, no matter who you're playing.

Also, people are quick to forget Hawaii's games against teams like Wisconsin, USC, Arizona State, Alabama, Purdue and Oregon State. His numbers were very impressive in those games and very similar to the ones he put up against WAC teams.

Clearly I'm biased (you could probably even call it a man crush...) but I strongly believe that Jim Zorn is the guy who can develop Colt into a big-time player. He is just thankful to have a shot in the NFL and is going to work his ass off for you guys.

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[quote=That Guy;450154]i think maybe he should make the final roster before we start calling him the next montana... just maybe...[/quote]

I think they're planning on letting him make the roster no matter what. You don't charge $75 for a rookie replica jersey in your team shop if you're not sure that the guy will make the team. Plus with all the hoopla surrounding Brennan as well Cerrato going on record during the draft to talk about how much they like him, I doubt that the front office releases him short of Colt commiting a double homicide.

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[QUOTE=Spongetoe;450236]Hey guys, I'm new to the forum but i am one of Colt's biggest fans and felt the need to defend him.

Yes, he played at Hawaii in a weak conference in a very pass-heavy offense. And yes, this gave him an opportunity to throw more touchdown passes than other QBs who throw the ball less, but look at his other stats. He had about a 70% completion percentage over his career and his efficiency ratings were off the charts. These are stats that can't be inflated by the number of passes he threw and you have to be incredibly accurate to attain those stats, no matter who you're playing.

Also, people are quick to forget Hawaii's games against teams like Wisconsin, USC, Arizona State, Alabama, Purdue and Oregon State. His numbers were very impressive in those games and very similar to the ones he put up against WAC teams.

Clearly I'm biased (you could probably even call it a man crush...) but I strongly believe that Jim Zorn is the guy who can develop Colt into a big-time player. He is just thankful to have a shot in the NFL and is going to work his ass off for you guys.[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board. Good points. Great username!

Re: Colt Brennan
 

[QUOTE=Spongetoe;450236]Hey guys, I'm new to the forum but i am one of Colt's biggest fans and felt the need to defend him.

Yes, he played at Hawaii in a weak conference in a very pass-heavy offense. And yes, this gave him an opportunity to throw more touchdown passes than other QBs who throw the ball less, but look at his other stats. He had about a 70% completion percentage over his career and his efficiency ratings were off the charts. These are stats that can't be inflated by the number of passes he threw and you have to be incredibly accurate to attain those stats, no matter who you're playing.

Also, people are quick to forget Hawaii's games against teams like Wisconsin, USC, Arizona State, Alabama, Purdue and Oregon State. His numbers were very impressive in those games and very similar to the ones he put up against WAC teams.

Clearly I'm biased (you could probably even call it a man crush...) but I strongly believe that Jim Zorn is the guy who can develop Colt into a big-time player. He is just thankful to have a shot in the NFL and is going to work his ass off for you guys.[/QUOTE]

Great post.
As I have stated in several posts, I have watched Colt, this kid has something special. I do not agree he's NFL ready, but how many qb's are out of college? I thought Hasslebeck was a terrible qb at BC, and thought no way he'd be a good qb. The fact that he is, means Zorn did one hell of a job. I have faith that if anyone will turn this kid into an NFL product, it will be Zorn.
I am looking for a Brennan authentic, or at least a replithentic...does anyone know where I could get one? (no replica's for me)

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[QUOTE=jsarno;450275]Great post.
As I have stated in several posts, I have watched Colt, this kid has something special. I do not agree he's NFL ready, but how many qb's are out of college? I thought Hasslebeck was a terrible qb at BC, and thought no way he'd be a good qb. The fact that he is, means Zorn did one hell of a job. I have faith that if anyone will turn this kid into an NFL product, it will be Zorn.
I am looking for a Brennan authentic, or at least a replithentic...does anyone know where I could get one? (no replica's for me)[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the warm welcome. And I totally agree on the Zorn thing. As far as the jersey goes, are the customizable ones at nflshop.com what you're looking for?

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[QUOTE=Spongetoe;450287]Thanks for the warm welcome. And I totally agree on the Zorn thing. As far as the jersey goes, are the customizable ones at nflshop.com what you're looking for?[/QUOTE]

Those numbers are screened on though right? I am looking for sewn on name and numbers.