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[QUOTE=70Chip;451816]Dude, I think Asian American is the preferred nomenclature. But to your points:

1. The Democrats do lack intestinal fortitude, but they also lack even a sniff of a rationale for impeachment. You have to have something.

2. I think a strong case can be made that someone must have at least had an inclination that the Japanese were about to move. However, wouldn't that mean that you should have cited Roosevelt instead of Hoover? Hoover was incompetent in the face of economic crisis, but he never engaged in that sort of deceit.

3. Indeed, I do believe that Oswald acted alone.

4. While I am not formally affiliated with the Republican Party, I have only voted for two Democrats in my life. The first time was an accident. In those days the ballots in Virginia did not identify the candidates by party and this guy sure sounded like a Republican. The second time was in the recent primary when I cast my vote for HRC. And, before you accuse me of doing Limbaugh's bidding, I thought of it first. Sort of. In 2000 a lot of Liberals here voted strategically for McCain and I merely followed their excellent example.[/QUOTE]

Once again...Hoover was a random example. Not a specific citation. Watch the Zapruder film and take a physics class. And...if you want a toe, I can get you a toe. I can get you a toe by 2 o'clock.

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[quote=dblanch66;451831]Once again...Hoover was a random example. Not a specific citation. Watch the Zapruder film and take a physics class. And...if you want a toe, I can get you a toe. I can get you a toe by 2 o'clock.[/quote]

That's interesting, man.

It's amazing how Jeff Bridges can bring us together. I think HE'S the "Lightworker".

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;451831]Not a specific citation. Watch the Zapruder film and take a physics class.[/QUOTE]

What does this even mean?

Are you implying that an understanding of physics would prove to someone that Kennedy was killed via conspiracy? Do you even know what you are talking about? I dare you to find one reputable, REPUTABLE, source who has done any scientific research into this topic who claims that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Oswald. I will find you numerous others to the contrary. Sure there are a bunch of crackpot semi-scientists who do this and that and bellow on about the grassy knoll but when sujected to rigorous scientific experiment it has been shown that not only was it possible for Oswald to have been the lone shooter it was actually almost impossible for him to have not been. There have been scientifically conducting recreations which exactly recreated the bullet trajectories into Kennedy and the governor.

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[quote=FRPLG;451845]What does this even mean?

Are you implying that an understanding of physics would prove to someone that Kennedy was killed via conspiracy? Do you even know what you are talking about? I dare you to find one reputable, REPUTABLE, source who has done any scientific research into this topic who claims that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Oswald. I will find you numerous others to the contrary. Sure there are a bunch of crackpot semi-scientists who do this and that and bellow on about the grassy knoll but when sujected to rigorous scientific experiment it has been shown that not only was it possible for Oswald to have been the lone shooter it was actually almost impossible for him to have not been. There have been scientifically conducting recreations which exactly recreated the bullet trajectories into Kennedy and the governor.[/quote]Going through High School, I was basically taught that the Warren Commission did a questionable job, and that one would be foolish to believe that Oswald acted alone.

I've actually never seen any specific evidence on one side or the other. Obviously, lots of public educators have agendas in today's day and age, but I never saw any benefit to proving a JFK conspiracy.

Do you know of any possible reason that a conspiracy proof could help support liberal viewpoint of the JFK assassination? I'm very curious, but I can't really see any motive to distort the truth here...which is exactly what is being done in public schools.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;451268]I am a Bush basher and was against going to Iraq in the first instance, but I think many people incorrectly think that the GOP has a monopoly on deceit, manipulation, fear mongering, etc. For whatever reason, so many Dems seem to think that their own sh*t doesn't stink. To me, the stench of Dem and Repub pooh stinks equally. It just happens that we are currently up to our eyes in Repub feces. I am waiting for the Dems to get into office so they can take a dump on our faces.

[B]And no....I do not have a pooh fetish.[/B][/QUOTE]

Huh, coulda fooled me. My guess was that you're a clinically depressed fecophiliac on prozac.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;451196]My history is not "off". I suppose you believe Pearl Harbor was a "surprise attack" and that Oswald acted alone. Mine is a matter of opinion based on fact. Gee...you would't be a ....republican [/QUOTE]

You wouldn't be the stereotypical conspiracy theorist "enlightened" young college Dem?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;451845]What does this even mean?

Are you implying that an understanding of physics would prove to someone that Kennedy was killed via conspiracy? Do you even know what you are talking about? I dare you to find one reputable, REPUTABLE, source who has done any scientific research into this topic who claims that Kennedy was killed by someone other than Oswald. I will find you numerous others to the contrary. Sure there are a bunch of crackpot semi-scientists who do this and that and bellow on about the grassy knoll but when sujected to rigorous scientific experiment it has been shown that not only was it possible for Oswald to have been the lone shooter it was actually almost impossible for him to have not been. There have been scientifically conducting recreations which exactly recreated the bullet trajectories into Kennedy and the governor.[/QUOTE]

uh...watch the film...which, by the way, is the only footage of Kennedy's assasination and probably not counted on by the architects of the conspiracy. When someone's head snaps backwards and a hunk of their head comes off from the FRONT, physics dictates that the force came from IN FRONT of the target. But hey, believe what you want. We can agree to disagree but at least watch the cleaned up version of the film (available on Netflix, by the way) and then see if you feel the same way. THEN watch extensive footage of Oswald after he was arrested. He said time and again that he was a patsy. Being in custody already, he had no reason to lie because I'm sure he knew he was pretty much fucked regardless of what he said, so why not just admit to the crime? Who was Jack Ruby? Nah...no one wanted Oswald silenced, right? Oh pah-leeeeze. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it might be a duck.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;451862]You wouldn't be the stereotypical conspiracy theorist "enlightened" young college Dem?[/QUOTE]

I went to college. don't think I'm that young anymore, there ace.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;451869]uh...watch the film...which, by the way, is the only footage of Kennedy's assasination and probably not counted on by the architects of the conspiracy. When someone's head snaps backwards and a hunk of their head comes off from the FRONT, physics dictates that the force came from IN FRONT of the target. But hey, believe what you want. We can agree to disagree but at least watch the cleaned up version of the film (available on Netflix, by the way) and then see if you feel the same way. THEN watch extensive footage of Oswald after he was arrested. He said time and again that he was a patsy. Being in custody already, he had no reason to lie because I'm sure he knew he was pretty much fucked regardless of what he said, so why not just admit to the crime? Who was Jack Ruby? Nah...no one wanted Oswald silenced, right? Oh pah-leeeeze. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it might be a duck.[/QUOTE]
You're are simply wrong. You are regurgitating common pop knowledge "truisms" that are simply wrong.

First of all when a high powreed rifle hits a life form, it is not only common but almost always the case that the exit wound is larger, much larger, than the entry. That is the truth. The debate about the movement of the head is just that. Most scientists who know what they' are talking about find nothing perplexing with the movement of JFK's head.

I guess I shouldn't say there wasn't a conspiracy but what I am saying is that physics in this case confirms that the bullet that killed Kennedy came from behind him. Plain and simple. And I am not basing that on me just "knowing" physics. I base that on what I have been told by actual scientists who know what they are talking about. Refer to Peter Jenkins' entire show about the assasination where they took a 3-d recreation that the gentlemen had worked for decades to perfect that proved that the bullet that went through Kennedy certainly struck the Govenro without any "magic bullet" physics.

This is a retarded argument. I am done. I'll settle for knowing I am right.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;451938]You're are simply wrong. You are regurgitating common pop knowledge "truisms" that are simply wrong.

First of all when a high powreed rifle hits a life form, it is not only common but almost always the case that the exit wound is larger, much larger, than the entry. That is the truth. The debate about the movement of the head is just that. Most scientists who know what they' are talking about find nothing perplexing with the movement of JFK's head.

I guess I shouldn't say there wasn't a conspiracy but what I am saying is that physics in this case confirms that the bullet that killed Kennedy came from behind him. Plain and simple. And I am not basing that on me just "knowing" physics. I base that on what I have been told by actual scientists who know what they are talking about. Refer to Peter Jenkins' entire show about the assasination where they took a 3-d recreation that the gentlemen had worked for decades to perfect that proved that the bullet that went through Kennedy certainly struck the Govenro without any "magic bullet" physics.

This is a retarded argument. I am done. I'll settle for knowing I am right.[/QUOTE]

No. You are wrong. There ya go. Watch the film. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure Oswald was so good a marksman that he could get off 3 shots with a bolt action rifle in a matter of 12 second. Bullcrap. Try it. And for argument's sake, even if the bullet came from behind, you still believe Oswald did it alone..? Go to the building in Dallas and see for yourself. Hmmmmm...why do they have the window sectioned off???? Maybe cause if you saw the view he had you'd say to yourself..."uh...there's no friggin' way!" So unless you've been there, please don't argue about something out of your tuchus.

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No intention of starting a different argument here, but even 5 years ago when I finished college (w/ a history degree) there had already been hundreds of doctoral dissertations as well as forensic investigations detailing the assassinations of the 60's. The widely accepted, and by that I mean encompassing nearly the whole profession, view is that the only assassination that was a conspiracy was MLK Jr. Read transcripts from the FBI and CIA and it becomes painfully obvious officials at the highest levels of government wanted him dead. I cannot remember the name of the book now that a visiting professor had us read but it documents, referencing primary sources, confessions from both undercover government agents and those who could get close to MLK there was an active involvement to have him killed.

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[quote=dblanch66;451939]No. You are wrong. There ya go. Watch the film. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure Oswald was so good a marksman that he could get off 3 shots with a bolt action rifle in a matter of 12 second. Bullcrap. Try it. And for argument's sake, even if the bullet came from behind, you still believe Oswald did it alone..? Go to the building in Dallas and see for yourself. Hmmmmm...why do they have the window sectioned off???? Maybe cause if you saw the view he had you'd say to yourself..."uh...there's no friggin' way!" So unless you've been there, please don't argue about something out of your tuchus.[/quote]
You are wrong. The bullets came from behind. I think it was the History Channel that had a whole show proving exactly how it happened. All the wounds and exit wounds on both men lined up perfectly with how they were sitting. When Kennedy got hit in the side of his head, the part that got blown off flew forward.

And Lee Harvey Oswald was a former marine sharpshooter, so yes he was that good of a marksman. You don't know what your talking about.

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[QUOTE=steveo395;451944]You are wrong. The bullets came from behind. I think it was the History Channel that had a whole show proving exactly how it happened. All the wounds and exit wounds on both men lined up perfectly with how they were sitting. When Kennedy got hit in the side of his head, the part that got blown off flew forward.

And Lee Harvey Oswald was a former marine sharpshooter, so yes he was that good of a marksman. You don't know what your talking about.[/QUOTE]

Whatever you say, chief. Watch the movie and spin it any way you want and believe everything you see and read. Way to conform, champ.

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[quote=dblanch66;451939]No. You are wrong. There ya go. Watch the film. Draw your own conclusions. I'm sure Oswald was so good a marksman [B]that he could get off 3 shots with a bolt action rifle in a matter of 12 second. Bullcrap.[/B] Try it. And for argument's sake, even if the bullet came from behind, you still believe Oswald did it alone..? Go to the building in Dallas and see for yourself. Hmmmmm...why do they have the window sectioned off???? Maybe cause if you saw the view he had you'd say to yourself..."uh...there's no friggin' way!" So unless you've been there, please don't argue about something out of your tuchus.[/quote]

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[quote=steveo395;451944]You are wrong. The bullets came from behind. I think it was the History Channel that had a whole show proving exactly how it happened. All the wounds and exit wounds on both men lined up perfectly with how they were sitting. When Kennedy got hit in the side of his head, the part that got blown off flew forward.

And Lee Harvey Oswald was a former marine sharpshooter, so yes he was that good of a marksman. You don't know what your talking about.[/quote]

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I've figured it out! Didn't Dblanch say he was closely involved with the writer's strike a while back? Now we know...he's Oliver Stone!!

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Really, where has arguing politics ever got anybody?

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Well, who shot Kennedy and how he was shot isn't exactly arguing politics in my opinion. As for arguing politics though, it can be done effectively but much depends on who you're arguing with.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;452004]Well, who shot Kennedy and how he was shot isn't exactly arguing politics in my opinion. [B]As for arguing politics though, it can be done effectively but much depends on who you're arguing with[/B].[/QUOTE]

Precisely. I actually find many posts in these threads informative and interesting. I like reading posts from people like LadyBrave, JoeRedskin, 70Chip and others of all political stripes. Granted, sometimes these threads get heated and some people aren't open to different viewpoints, but the good stuff outweighs the bad IMO.

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How did you guys know that I started this thread with the intent of tying it back to McClellan's dad's book about the Kennedy assassination?
[url=http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/LBJ_JFKassas.html]Upcoming book contends LBJ was behind JFK's assassination, 8/03[/url]

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets;452017]How did you guys know that I started this thread with the intent of tying it back to McClellan's dad's book about the Kennedy assassination?
[url=http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/LBJ_JFKassas.html]Upcoming book contends LBJ was behind JFK's assassination, 8/03[/url][/QUOTE]

Nicely done, ODS. :)

I remember the History Channel had a whole documentary basically implying that LBJ ordered the assassination...then had to issue a public apology shortly thereafter. Or it might have been Discovery.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;451990]I've figured it out! Didn't Dblanch say he was closely involved with the writer's strike a while back? Now we know...he's Oliver Stone!![/QUOTE]

Huh?? I've been unmasked!!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;452035]Nicely done, ODS. :)

I remember the History Channel had a whole documentary basically implying that LBJ ordered the assassination...then had to issue a public apology shortly thereafter. Or it might have been Discovery.[/QUOTE]

My father cited that show as support for his belief that LBJ was behind the JFK assasination. I politely reminded him that the History Channel has also run programs about how we never landed on the moon and how the U.S. government is secretly hiding a fleet of alien aircraft (yet, for some reason, we fly jets that aren't much different from stuff we flew 40 years ago).

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The thing about that LBJ doc was that they never made much of a case that he was involved in any JFK conspiracy, but they did expose A Texas-sized pile of corruption involving Lyndon and his cronies. He probably just flat out stole more money than any politician in our history. They say that Johnson, upon leaving office, shipped plane loads of white house furniture and other government property back to Texas where it remains to this day. They even took all the towels off of Air Force 1.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66;451957]Whatever you say, chief. Watch the movie and spin it any way you want and believe everything you see and read. Way to conform, champ.[/QUOTE]

"Watch the movie"

Since you are the expert why don't you explain, using big boy words, exactly what the movie shows us that we are apparently missing after having seen it maybe 500 times in our lives. So far your argument has basically been "It was sooooo a conspiracy and you'd know that if you watch the movie. Anyone who believes otherwise is dumb, conformist or part of the plot." You haven't refernces anything to make an argument. Even generally.

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[quote=FRPLG;452104]"Watch the movie"

Since you are the expert why don't you explain, using big boy words, exactly what the movie shows us that we are apparently missing after having seen it maybe 500 times in our lives. So far your argument has basically been "It was sooooo a conspiracy and you'd know that if you watch the movie. Anyone who believes otherwise is dumb, conformist or part of the plot." You haven't refernces anything to make an argument. Even generally.[/quote]
Some people don't like to use facts and logic when making an argument, especially when they are clearly wrong.

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[QUOTE=steveo395;452115]Some people don't like to use facts and logic when making an argument, especially when they are clearly wrong.[/QUOTE]

it's called common sense, there skippy.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG;452104]"Watch the movie"

Since you are the expert why don't you explain, using big boy words, exactly what the movie shows us that we are apparently missing after having seen it maybe 500 times in our lives. So far your argument has basically been "It was sooooo a conspiracy and you'd know that if you watch the movie. Anyone who believes otherwise is dumb, conformist or part of the plot." You haven't refernces anything to make an argument. Even generally.[/QUOTE]

I have a life. I suggest you get one, there sparky.

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This argument doesn't look like it's going anywhere.

I don't know anything about the Kennedy assassination, so I won't comment on that.

Everyone's entitled to their opinions, but I feel like this argument has gotten to the point of where everyone needs to just agree to disagree.

I mean, how do you go from talking about Bush misleading the US to the Kennedy/MLK assassinations? lol just looks like everything got severely sidetracked.

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JFK is dead, let him rest in peace.

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[quote=dblanch66;452286]it's called common sense, there skippy.[/quote]
Obviously not, there buddy.

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[QUOTE=steveo395;452302]Obviously not, there buddy.[/QUOTE]

Ooooh. Good one.

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[quote=dblanch66;452314]Ooooh. Good one.[/quote]
I knew you were gonna say that. That comeback was just as crappy as all of yours, which is why I said it. This is so stupid.

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Wow.

You'd think someone would be man enough to just step aside and let this die.

You guys obviously aren't going to agree on this, why keep this going?

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[QUOTE=saden1;452296]JFK is dead, let him rest in peace.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Thank you saden. Let's get this thread back on track. Or we lock it