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[quote=Buster;460656]2nd-degree murder?

If Canada's homicide laws are the same as the U.S., this is ridiculous. How can this NOT be premeditated!?!?!?

The psychiatric exam is pointless too, this man can NOT be mentally stable.

It's like they're protecting this monster.[/quote]

That's what I was thinking but it seems that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#First_and_second_degree"]the crime can't be classified under first degree murder in Canada[/URL] unless it's determined that it was planned and deliberate.

[quote]In Canada, murder is classified as either first or second degree.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#cite_note-30"][31][/URL]
[LIST=1][*]First degree murder is a murder which is (1) planned and deliberate, (2) contracted, (3) committed against an identified [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_officer#Canada"]peace officer[/URL], (4) while committing or attempting to commit one of the following offences (hijacking an aircraft, sexual assault, sexual assault with a weapon, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping and forcible confinement or hostage taking), (5) while committing criminal harassment, (6) committed during terrorist activity, (7) while using explosives in association with a criminal organization, or (8) while committing intimidation. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#cite_note-31"][32][/URL][*]Second degree murder is all murder which is not first degree murder.[/LIST][/quote]

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[quote=saden1;460665]That's what I was thinking but it seems that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder#First_and_second_degree"]the crime can't be classified under first degree murder in Canada[/URL] unless it's determined that it was planned and deliberate.[/quote]

If he is metally ill they won't get a first degree conviction. You need to prosecute what you think will stick. Second degree will stick.

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When the showed the psycho who did it being escorted by the police I laughed.....

Anyone on this board could have jumped in. Just wait until you see the little shitbag on the news.

Hesscl34 could have pinned him while we beat him like a pinata.

What a disgusting display of cowardice from the other passengers.

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damn,if you listen to the video on that site at the end of the video they show a chopped off head,completely unnecessary,I dont know if it was really the guys head or not

[/SIZE][QUOTE=Buster;460649]When you thought a story couldn't get any more gruesome:

[url=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/193490.php]The Jawa Report: Evil Incarnate: Canadian Bus Beheader Ate Flesh of Victim[/url][/QUOTE]

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[quote=RedskinRat;460692]When the showed the psycho who did it being escorted by the police I laughed.....

Anyone on this board could have jumped in. Just wait until you see the little shitbag on the news.

Hesscl34 could have pinned him while we beat him like a pinata.

What a disgusting display of cowardice from the other passengers.[/quote]

... I feel ashamed as a human that no one stepped up and helped him.... his poor family.

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[quote=hesscl34;460728]... I feel ashamed as a human that no one stepped up and helped him.... his poor family.[/quote]


I think its very easy to look at this situation and state what should have happened. The fact of the matter is these people were on a bus, in their own world. Suddenly a very unexpected, violent act occurred. As a social worker who is quite familiar with both psychological and social theory, I can only assume that the fight or flight response kicked in and people did what they felt they had to to survive. No one on this board was on that bus and can say for sure what emotions and feelings were running through these peoples minds.

I find situations like the older gentleman who was hit by a car in the street in Hartford to be much more troubling.

I agree that as humans we need to look out for one another, but this is a very unique situation, and it must be looked at for what it is. No one could have helped that young man, he never had a chance. The people on that bus are going to need some serious help in getting through this, and judging them for their lack of action is just not something we should be doing.

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Funny, but 'we' used to deal with these things far better before the world got all 'touchy-feely'.

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I have to believe stepping on a bus with a meat cleaver is "premeditated".

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[quote=RedskinRat;461360]Funny, but 'we' used to deal with these things far better before the world got all 'touchy-feely'.[/quote]

Really? Refresh my memory will you?

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[quote=saden1;461665]Really? Refresh my memory will you?[/quote]

Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when, if you got caught acting up as a kid, you'd get belted by the adult neighbor who caught you, [I][B]THEN[/B][/I] you got dragged home to your irate parents who repeated the process.

Now everyone is afraid to even raise their voice to a kid in case they get sued for assault.

It may seem like a minor thing but it's why we have the lack of accountability we currently have, IMO.

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[quote=RedskinRat;461684]Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when, if you got caught acting up as a kid, you'd get belted by the adult neighbor who caught you, [I][B]THEN[/B][/I] you got dragged home to your irate parents who repeated the process.

Now everyone is afraid to even raise their voice to a kid in case they get sued for assault.

It may seem like a minor thing but it's why we have the lack of accountability we currently have, IMO.[/quote]

I don't get it...what does all of this have to do with a clearly insane and evil guy beheading a young man on a bus?

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Now the piece of trash is ASKING the death penalty personally:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398222,00.html]FOXNews.com - Canada Bus Beheading Suspect: 'Kill Me' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News[/url]

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[I][quote=RedskinRat;461684]Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when, if you got caught acting up as a kid, you'd get belted by the adult neighbor who caught you, [B]THEN[/B] you got dragged home to your irate parents who repeated the process.[/I]

[I]Now everyone is afraid to even raise their voice to a kid in case they get sued for assault.[/I]

[I]It may seem like a minor thing but it's why we have the lack of accountability we currently have, IMO.[/quote[/I]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Use violence to deter someone from using violence in their future. This is what we should teach our children? [B][I]s[/I][/B][B][I]cratching head[/I][/B][/SIZE][/FONT]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[FONT=Arial][B][I][SIZE=3]Time to get out of your rocker old man, you are needed at the old folks home.[/SIZE] [/I][/B][/FONT]

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[quote=Buster;461853]Now the piece of trash is ASKING the death penalty personally:

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398222,00.html"]FOXNews.com - Canada Bus Beheading Suspect: 'Kill Me' - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News[/URL][/quote]

Death would be letting this guy off easy. Let him rot in solitary confinement.

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I'd rather read this...

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080802.wmclean0802/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail]globeandmail.com: Family remember Tim McLean as charming free spirit[/url]

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[quote=hesscl34;461863]I'd rather read this...

[URL="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080802.wmclean0802/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostemail"]globeandmail.com: Family remember Tim McLean as charming free spirit[/URL][/quote]

I'll +1 that.

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[quote=mredskins;461855][I][quote=RedskinRat;461684]Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when, if you got caught acting up as a kid, you'd get belted by the adult neighbor who caught you, [B]THEN[/B] you got dragged home to your irate parents who repeated the process.[/quote][/I][quote=RedskinRat;461684]

[I]Now everyone is afraid to even raise their voice to a kid in case they get sued for assault.[/I]

[I]It may seem like a minor thing but it's why we have the lack of accountability we currently have, IMO.[/quote[/I]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Use violence to deter someone from using violence in their future. This is what we should teach our children? [B][I]s[/I][/B][B][I]cratching head[/I][/B][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][B][I][SIZE=3]Time to get out of your rocker old man, you are needed at the old folks home.[/SIZE] [/I][/B][/FONT][/quote]

Burn.

My grandmother and mom talk about those days.

But try that now and watch you end up locked up within 24 hours and I'm somewhat prone to agree with that. That stuff was okay during like 60's, but most of that crazy stuff has been overturned now, thank god.

Some kids are just down right BAD and no amount of beating is going to fix it. Plus I'm sick of parents who beat their kids over everything and in public areas at that and then wonder why their kids are so defiant.

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Burn.....[I]riiiight[/I]. 'mredskins', you can't even use the quote function correctly, so you're probably ready for a new head-pointer and drool bib.

If you can't connect the dots between the way society was with accountability in the community to the way it is now then the issue may be your perception of the situation.

What discipline do kids face these days? A 'time out'? How's that working out?

'Cause and effect' is better taught with some kind of effect.

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[QUOTE=saden1;461847]I don't get it...what does all of this have to do with a clearly insane and evil guy beheading a young man on a bus?[/QUOTE]

I don't get it either. Not to mention the man was an immigrant from China. And, while I don't know for sure, I'm going to make not too far a leap in assuming that the "rules of discipline" remain a bit stronger there than in other parts of the world, including the USA and Canada.

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[quote=RedskinRat;461984]Burn.....[I]riiiight[/I]. 'mredskins', you can't even use the quote function correctly, so you're probably ready for a new head-pointer and drool bib.

If you can't connect the dots between the way society was with accountability in the community to the way it is now then the issue may be your perception of the situation.

What discipline do kids face these days? A 'time out'? How's that working out?

'Cause and effect' is better taught with some kind of effect.[/quote]

Could someone please wheel this old man away from the computer. he is
[FONT=Arial]embarrassing himself. [/FONT]

Nurse! Nurse!

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alright let's get it back on track

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[quote=mredskins;461999]Could someone please wheel this old man away from the computer. he is
[FONT=Arial]embarrassing himself. [/FONT]

Nurse! Nurse![/quote]

Excellent! You make no valid point, but try to suggest that I'm too old to be right.

Mredskins, please post evidence of a decline in violence in the US since the 60's and liberalism and we'll discuss it.

I'll save you the effort, you can't.

Kids today, eh? Not good for much.

Matty, back on track? We all agree beheading is anti-social, some even agree that it's wrong. I'd just like to better understand why most people think it's OK not to try to step in.

I'm sure we can keep it civilized even though I'm being insulted.

:Smoker:

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I think there have been some good thoughts expressed here as to why people didn't step in. I don't think it's got anything to do with living in a PC world. It boils down to instincts and the fight or flight response to survival. And in the end what is the point of judging those that were on the bus? They witnessed pure evil that day and I'm sure plenty of them have second guessed themselves in the days following. I don't think there was any right or wrong decision made that day. If someone here would have choosen differently more power to you. I just don't see what the point is in second guessing what they did or didn't do.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462019]I think there have been some good thoughts expressed here as to why people didn't step in. I don't think it's got anything to do with living in a PC world. It boils down to instincts and the fight or flight response to survival. And in the end what is the point of judging those that were on the bus? They witnessed pure evil that day and I'm sure plenty of them have second guessed themselves in the days following. I don't think there was any right or wrong decision made that day. If someone here would have choosen differently more power to you. I just don't see what the point is in second guessing what they did or didn't do.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and I don't think there's any doubt we'd be talking about multiple killings if people had stepped in. Also, the kid never really stood a chance, he was 30 mins away from a shock trauma center and I'm pretty sure he was pretty much done after being stabbed once, so you're going to risk your life to save him from decapitating a corpse? That's pretty noble, but I think it would more than likely cause your death...

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[quote=jdlea;462043]Yeah, and I don't think there's any doubt we'd be talking about multiple killings if people had stepped in. Also, the kid never really stood a chance, he was 30 mins away from a shock trauma center and I'm pretty sure he was pretty much done after being stabbed once, so you're going to risk your life to save him from decapitating a corpse? That's pretty noble, but I think it would more than likely cause your death...[/quote]

Exactly. We should also commend the people for keeping this guy on the bus until the police arrived.

From the moment this maniac decided to plunge a knife into this kid he never stood a chance. By the time someone could have realized what was going on and reacted he was probably already dead or very close to it.

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CCW, *cough*, *cough*......

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What is CCW?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462068]What is CCW?[/QUOTE]

Carry concealed weapon, I think

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Still don't see where that would matter. The kid still would have been dead or very critical by the time someone could have shot this guy.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;462081]Still don't see where that would matter. The kid still would have been dead or very critical by the time someone could have shot this guy.[/QUOTE]

It would have been nice to drop the guy with a gun, but it still wouldn't have brought the kid back.

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A gun wouldn't have helped here. As soon as you get stabbed with a 9-inch knife once, you're pretty much a goner. Let alone the multiple stabs this poor kid took. It may take a few minutes to bleed out, but that kid was as good as dead as soon as he let out his first yelp.

All a gun would have done would have been to achieve instant justice. But it wouldn't have prevented any deaths.

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[quote=mredskins;461855][I][quote=RedskinRat;461684]Maybe you aren't old enough to remember a time when, if you got caught acting up as a kid, you'd get belted by the adult neighbor who caught you, [B]THEN[/B] you got dragged home to your irate parents who repeated the process.[/quote][/I][quote=RedskinRat;461684]

[I]Now everyone is afraid to even raise their voice to a kid in case they get sued for assault.[/I]

[I]It may seem like a minor thing but it's why we have the lack of accountability we currently have, IMO.[/quote[/I]

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Use violence to deter someone from using violence in their future. This is what we should teach our children? [B][I]s[/I][/B][B][I]cratching head[/I][/B][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial][B][I][SIZE=3]Time to get out of your rocker old man, you are needed at the old folks home.[/SIZE] [/I][/B][/FONT][/quote]
Well times have changed and back then we did not here about kids commetting all these crimes that theay are commetting today. Maybe that seems old school but it did seem to work and things have been going down hill ever sense kids have obtained all these rights that they now have.

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Good parenting can correct mischievous kids. And I'm in favor of delivering a good spank to my young'n when she acts up.

But no amount of good parenting, spanking or not, can correct crazy. You can't do anything to somehow guide someone from not developing a serious chemical imbalance in the brain.

Seriously. Is there any other explanation for having a compulsion to cut up a living human being and eat them? Chemical imbalance, that's it. End of story. Parenting is irrelevant.

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[quote=mredskins;461999]Could someone please wheel this old man away from the computer. he is
[FONT=Arial]embarrassing himself. [/FONT]

Nurse! Nurse![/quote]
Well it seems your making his piont by showing him no lack of respect even if this is a chat site.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;462107]Good parenting correct mischievous kids. And I'm a favor of delivering a good spank to my young'n when she acts up.

But [B]no amount of good parenting, spanking or not, can correct crazy.[/B] You can't do anything to somehow guide someone from not developing a serious chemical imbalance in the brain.

Seriously. Is there any other explanation for having a compulsion to cut up a living human being and eat them? Chemical imbalance, that's it. End of story. Parenting is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

Amen.

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[quote=firstdown;462110]Well it seems your making his piont by showing him no lack of respect even if this is a chat site.[/quote]

Ah, Firstdown, I was not taking Mredskins that seriously.

You know how kids are these days....

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[quote=Schneed10;462107]Good parenting can correct mischievous kids. And I'm in favor of delivering a good spank to my young'n when she acts up.

But no amount of good parenting, spanking or not, can correct crazy. You can't do anything to somehow guide someone from not developing a serious chemical imbalance in the brain.

Seriously. Is there any other explanation for having a compulsion to cut up a living human being and eat them? Chemical imbalance, that's it. End of story. Parenting is irrelevant.[/quote]

Totally agree...

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[quote=RedskinRat;462012]Mredskins, please post evidence of a decline in violence in the US since the 60's and liberalism and we'll discuss it.

I'll save you the effort, you can't.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm"][IMG]http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.gif[/IMG][/URL]

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[quote=onlydarksets;462150][URL="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm"][IMG]http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.gif[/IMG][/URL][/quote]

Adjusted? For what? Liberal agenda?

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[quote=RedskinRat;462158]Adjusted? For what? Liberal agenda?[/quote]
To quote a previous poster: "Excellent! You make no valid point."

You asked for evidence of decline, here it is. Gathered by DOJ over 32 years (20 years of Republican administrations and 12 years of Democratic administration).