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I've heard that Obama actually had chosen Kathleen Sebelius but then abandoned the idea.

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[quote=saden1]As for my comment on Republicans, I stand by it. I'm sorry but the Republican as I see it is guns, gays, greed and god. That is to say, I whole heartedly believe it to be complete trash. A used tampon is less odious.[/quote]

we'll at least you're honest about being close minded, ignorant, and extremely biased.

we really shouldn't treat politics like religion or be so emotionally attached to parties that it becomes good vs evil no matter who's standing on either side....

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[quote=That Guy;467633]
we really shouldn't treat politics like religion or be so emotionally attached to parties that it because good vs evil no matter who's standing on either side....[/quote]

I agree. That depth of feeling should be reserved for The Redskins.

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[quote=saden1;467543]For the Democratic caucus and the state of Delaware he's a powerhouse senator. A 30 Year senator who voted against the war is irreplaceable. You can toss in Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd in that category too. These are folks that don't have to cover their own asses like most senators for political gains (i.e. Hillary).

Edit: I stand corrected, Biden voted for the war.[/quote]

Robert Byrd really is irreplaceable. Where are you going to find an ex-klansman to run for The Senate these days?

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[quote=That Guy;467633]we'll at least you're honest about being close minded, ignorant, and extremely biased.

[B] we really shouldn't treat politics like religion or be so emotionally attached to parties that it because good vs evil no matter who's standing on either side....[/B][/quote]
Totally agree.

The dispassionate mind is pretty rare. Your party affiliation should not be some badge of honor that you wear on your shirt sleeve to defend with all of your passion.

People get sucked in because they're too lazy to educate themselves... so they in turn look up to their political leaders to make their minds up for them.

I mean it makes sense the most basic level. A "Follow the leader" mindset makes sense to a voter that has to lead his or her own life, but doesn't have the time or the interest to invest in the affairs of our government. We're all guilty to some extent... just some (and I'm not pointing anyone out) are more obvious than others.

Plus... from a politicians standpoint... that's exactly what they want you to do. They want to activate the emotional circuits of your brain that inspire you to go out and vote. They want to give you an emotional attachment that drives you to the polls, which isn't necessarily a bad thing all the time.

If we lived in a world that was fully rational, we would be completely passive and inactive. No-one would react to any kind of crisis or alarm. It would just be a totally non-responsive or inclusive. It's a citizens duty to involve emotion into politics... but it's equally his or her duty to not get carried away with all the rhetorical bullshit that's out there.

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[quote=That Guy;467633]we'll at least you're honest about [B]being close minded [anti-gay], ignorant [intelligent design], and extremely biased [anti-immigration][/B].

we really shouldn't treat politics like religion or be so emotionally attached to parties that it becomes good vs evil no matter who's standing on either side....[/quote]

Are you referring to me or the Republican party? Don't serve me sugar coated shit and tell me it's caviar bro.

We do agree on one thing, good and evil are a prospective.

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[QUOTE=saden1;467645]Are you referring to me or the Republican party? Don't serve me sugar coated shit and tell me it's caviar bro.

We do agree on one thing, good and evil are a prospective.[/QUOTE]

Don't go editing what That Guy wrote

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[quote=saden1;467645]Are you referring to me or the Republican party? Don't serve me sugar coated shit and tell me it's caviar bro.

We do agree on one thing, good and evil are a prospective.[/quote]

thanks for proving my point. apparently every single republican (and nto a single democrat) hate gays, believe in intelligent design, are xenophobic, like in caves, smash rocks, beat children, rape goats, and love racism...

get real and put down the crack pipe. i mean, trying to prove you're non-ignorance with a post like that is actually pretty cool... i needed a laugh.

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[quote=That Guy;467650]thanks for proving my point. apparently every single republican (and nto a single democrat) hate gays, believe in intelligent design, are xenophobic, like in caves, smash rocks, beat children, rape goats, and love racism...

get real and put down the crack pipe. i mean, trying to prove you're non-ignorance with a post like that is actually pretty cool... i needed a laugh.[/quote]

I call it like I see it, Republican platform stinks and the party's base leaves much to be desired. If you disagree, that's your prerogative but don't go and call me ignorant because I find [I]your[/I] [I]party[/I] to be repulsive. That's my prerogative.

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[quote=saden1;467652]I call it like I see it, Republican platform stinks and the party's base leaves much to be desired. If you disagree, that's your prerogative but don't go and call me ignorant because I find [I]your[/I] [I]party[/I] to be repulsive. That's my prerogative.[/quote]
Ok, please explain what the party platform is.

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[quote=firstdown;467658]Ok, please explain what the party platform is.[/quote]

The four G's

lol

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[quote=Mattyk72;467660]The four G's

lol[/quote]

...and this:



[IMG]http://mediamattersaction.org/static/img/obamaflowchart_750_03.png[/IMG]

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[quote=saden1;467652]I call it like I see it, Republican platform stinks and the party's base leaves much to be desired. If you disagree, that's your prerogative but don't go and call me ignorant because I find [I]your[/I] [I]party[/I] to be repulsive. That's my prerogative.[/quote]

i'm calling you ignorant because you assume it's "my" party and you make such ignorant sweeping generalizations while apparently not noticing that the democrats have their own issues.

seriously though, it does make your sig even funnier.

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[quote=saden1;467741]...and this:



[IMG]http://mediamattersaction.org/static/img/obamaflowchart_750_03.png[/IMG][/quote]
Ok, I get it now you found this on the internet so it must be what the Republicans stand for. Wow, you cant in a few words come up with what you think they stand for without going to the democratic handbook.

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[quote=saden1;467543]For the Democratic caucus and the state of Delaware he's a powerhouse senator. A 30 Year senator who voted against the war is irreplaceable. You can toss in Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd in that category too. These are folks that don't have to cover their own asses like most senators for political gains (i.e. Hillary).

Edit: I stand corrected, Biden voted for the war.[/quote]
So what do you think about Biden fighting to make it tougher for individuals to go bankrupt (which was pushed hard by credit card companies) while his son was doing some kind of consulting for them (to the tune of over $500,000).

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How is what his son was doing relevant?

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[quote=That Guy;467758]i'll calling you ignorant, because you assume it's "my" party and you make such ignorant sweeping generalizations while apparently not noticing that the democrats have their own issues.

seriously, though it does make your sig even funnier.[/quote]

Dog, I'm not you and I ain't Fox News. If you got issues with the Democrats spit the out. Don't expect me to wave the confederate flag and pretend to like anything about the Republican party just so you lot can feel good about your "anit-anything-and-everything" party. BTW where does my ignorance lie? Guns, greed, gays and god (4G's as matty)?

p.s. I apologies for finding the Republican party disgusting, I can not help myself. Perhaps if I wasn't so ignorant I would be able to smell the rose petals

Edit: thanks to SmootSmack spelling skills I was able to fix an egregious error.

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For those that are actually interested in reading about the parties' platforms, instead of mindless drivel like every Republic hates immigrant and gays, and is all about God and greed, then here is the 2008 Democratic Party Platform

[url]http://www.demconvention.com/assets/downloads/2008-Democratic-Platform-by-Cmte-08-13-08.pdf[/url]

And here are some notes on what is expected to be on the 2008 GOP Platform

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/25/gop-platform-likely-against-abortion-gay-marriage/]Washington Times - GOP platform retains abortion-ban plank[/url]

Here is their 2004 Platform

[url]http://www.gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf[/url]

As a Republican, a moderate Republican who is not anti-immigration nor anti-gay (I know. How is that even possible if I'm a registered Republican) I hope that the 2008 platform is substantive and addresses the issues that really matter: economy, foreign policy, education, health care. While I don't agree with everything the Dems present I thought they did a strong job in stating their case.

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[QUOTE=saden1;467803]Dog, I'm not you and I ain't Fox News. If you got issues with the Democrats spit the out. Don't expect me to wave the confederate flag and pretend to like anything about the Republican party just so you lot can feel good about your "anit-anything-and-everything" party. BTW where does my ignorance lie? Guns, greed, gays and god (4G's as matty)?

p.s. I applogies for finding the Republican party disgusting, I can not help myself. Perhaps if I wasn't so ignorant I would be able to smell the rose peddels.[/QUOTE]

Or at least spell rose petals

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[quote=firstdown;467773]So what do you think about Biden fighting to make it tougher for individuals to go bankrupt (which was pushed hard by credit card companies) while his son was doing some kind of consulting for them (to the tune of over $500,000).[/quote]

You want this year's platform? You're going to have to wait but in the meantime [URL="http://www.gopplatform2008.com/RPC_Issues.aspx"]enjoy these thoughtful and thought provoking questions put forth by RNC[/URL]. Here are some choice questions:

[QUOTE][B]Education[/B]:
Should the No Child Left Behind law be reformed, and how? Is there a problem with too much ideological dogmatism in higher education? How should the federal government respond to colleges and universities that insist upon discriminating against the United States military? Do you support homeschooling and school choice?

[B]Energy[/B]:
What role should oil, natural gas, and coal play in our energy future? What about clean fuels such as nuclear, solar, and wind power? Given high gas prices, should the gas tax be repealed or should it be increased in order to discourage people from driving cars? Do you believe that higher gas prices are good for the nation as the New York Times recently said?

[B]Health Care[/B]:
Would more government control improve the quality of care, your relationship with your doctor, or the prospects for new breakthrough cures? Should our nation be looking more towards Canada and England as models for health care reform, or can we find an American solution that relies on innovation, free market competition, and a focus on individual patients?

[B]Economy[/B]:
Do you agree with the other party's position that taxes should be increased and that one of the key purposes of tax policy is to redistribute the wealth of the American people to politically favored groups? How should our tax system be reformed? You may have opinions on how best to create new jobs and keep existing ones from going overseas. What role does wasteful Washington spending play, and how can waste be cured? Do you support increased international trade?

[B]judiciary[/B]:
How serious is the problem of judicial activism, and what can Republicans do to address it? Should judicial nominees be required to support the Second Amendment? How should the Senate treat judicial nominees who are determined to insert their personal views into the Constitution? Do you support judicial nominees like John Roberts and Sam Alito? Should a President insist on knowing exactly how a nominee will rule before he makes a nomination? Do you agree with the Supreme Court's decision giving legal rights to unlawful enemy combatants in Guantanamo Bay? What about the recent decision holding that a child rapist cannot be executed under the 8th Amendment? Past decisions on abortion? [/QUOTE]

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[quote=SmootSmack;467807]Or at least spell rose petals[/quote]

Thank you for your assistance.

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[quote=saden1;467803]Dog, I'm not you and I ain't Fox News. If you got issues with the Democrats spit the out. Don't expect me to wave the confederate flag and pretend to like anything about the Republican party just so you lot can feel good about your "anit-anything-and-everything" party. BTW where does my ignorance lie? Guns, greed, gays and god (4G's as matty)?

p.s. I applogies for finding the Republican party disgusting, I can not help myself. Perhaps if I wasn't so ignorant I would be able to smell the rose peddels.[/quote]

dick cheney has a gay daughter right? so i guess he can't be a republican now can he?

you ignorance lies in how you talk about this vague republican "thing" as if it's f'ing satan and all that's wrong with everything, even though there a lot of republicans that aren't what you say they are.

i mean, i somehow doubt the republicans in chicago have any use for a confederate flag.

this ignorance is the mindless droning on about how evil a certain affiliation is with a blatant disregard to facts. you're speaking in absolutes, using strawmen, going over the top and reverting to name calling and some sort of gotcha game befitting a 12 year old.

i mean, you've got nothing but love for the dems, who apparently can do no wrong, and nothing but mindless consuming hate for a label that's not nearly as inclusive as you think.

as for greed, dems have plenty of pork barrel spending, vote to raise their salaries, and some conservative dems do vote for tax cuts for themselves, so i guess their also insanely greedy bastards too. and since you're a dem, i'll throw you in with them, since that seems to be the cool thing to do.

so, yeah, stop being so selfish and greedy :P

see why that doesn't work?

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[quote=firstdown;467773]So what do you think about Biden fighting to make it tougher for individuals to go bankrupt (which was pushed hard by credit card companies) while his son was doing some kind of consulting for them (to the tune of over $500,000).[/quote]

No one wants fuckups to be able to declare bankruptcy just because...their cost is passed down to me, well, not me per se because I'm a baller, but your average consumer. The question you got to ask though is [URL="http://bankruptcy.findlaw.com/new-bankruptcy-law/new-bankruptcy-law-basics/key-changes.html"]what are the changes and are they good[/URL]?

As for his son getting paid, I won't make excuse for him, clearly Biden should have recursed himself from any role in crafting the bill.

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as for where i stand - both candidates suck, cause neither one is showing real leadership (cause that's not what gets you elected - pandering and playing gotcha games does apparently).

the biggest issue is reforming social security and medicare before they bankrupt the country... that whole 35 trillion in unfunded obligations doesn't sit well with me.

galveston and japan's health care system offer the best examples i've heard of as far as viable cost efficient alternatives... and both have decades of use to prove their effectiveness.

sane nuclear policy - the ability to reuse material (instead of using 1%, maybe use all 99% :P ) along with new pebble bed reactors (clean, safe, cannot meltdown).

funding the recent breakthrough in battery research to get it to market NOW, since it's MUCH more eco friendly and efficient than our VERY old school lead-acid variants...

those two things alone could eventually kill all need for oil and coal, though solar/wind/geothermal/wave power is also fairly cheap.

education i'm not really sure on... the college system seems to be working, since soo many foreigners come here to study, and i've encountered no issues as far as military discrimination (quite the opposite in fact, since the service pays the school directly, i've gotten steep discounts and free books, as well as flexible timetables and 60 credits for my job training alone).

I went to high school in fairfax county and didn't really see it as terrible in any way... though i wouldn't mind pilot programs for crash course vocational training (room + board provided + school provided "students" progress) to lower unemployment. the training can shift according to local/national needs and the tab can be picked up by the company when they hire you (for a multi year contract). - where i'm from, there's just not enough skilled labor (contracting - ie deck building, etc etc)

i could go on, but i've actually looked into it a bit and it sucks that the answers to put the economy back on the up and up are sitting right there, proven, and everyone's too afraid of mentioning them (and scaring people) to make it happen.

so how's that for vague "anti-everything"?

btw, no issues with gays, greed, guns, or god here.

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[quote=That Guy;467815]as for where i stand - both candidates suck, cause neither one is showing real leadership (cause that's not what gets you elected - pandering and playing gotcha games does apparently).[/quote]This has got to be one of the very worst run Campaigns on both sides in recent memory, if ever.

I mean, you have Obama playing the race card on himself, trying to propose tax hikes on big oil, as well as the upper and middle classes. You have McCain who doesn't seem to be very interested in defending himself against the "Bush's third term" crap, suggesting a gas tax holiday as an economic breakthrough, and really making no clear attempt at all to balance the budget.

One of these guys is going to be running the country. I predicted that we would see a president worse than Bush in the near future, but I didn't think that day could possibly come this soon.

My vote is totally up for grabs right now. First guy to suggest an idea that might work gets it. Because right now, both campaigns are out there, just trying to prove they are the lesser of the two evils, and that should inspire confidence in exactly no one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;467816]This has got to be one of the very worst run Campaigns on both sides in recent memory, if ever.

I mean, you have Obama playing the race card on himself, trying to propose tax hikes on big oil, as well as the upper and middle classes. You have McCain who doesn't seem to be very interested in defending himself against the "Bush's third term" crap, suggesting a gas tax holiday as an economic breakthrough, and really making no clear attempt at all to balance the budget.

One of these guys is going to be running the country. I predicted that we would see a president worse than Bush in the near future, but I didn't think that day could possibly come this soon.

My vote is totally up for grabs right now. First guy to suggest an idea that might work gets it. Because right now, both campaigns are out there, just trying to prove they are the lesser of the two evils, and that should inspire confidence in exactly no one.[/quote]

Huh? I actually disagree with a couple of things you said, but that's neither here nor there. But one of the worst run campaigns ever?

Are you confusing your disagreements with their respective policy positions with the execution, sheer effectiveness, and organizational strength of the operations? Because I can tell you whether you like him or not, agree with his positions or not, Obama has run a phenomenal campaign.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;467813]dick cheney has a gay daughter right? so i guess he can't be a republican now can he?

you ignorance lies in how you talk about this vague republican "thing" as if it's f'ing satan and all that's wrong with everything, even though there a lot of republicans that aren't what you say they are.

i mean, i somehow doubt the republicans in chicago have any use for a confederate flag.

this ignorance is the mindless droning on about how evil a certain affiliation is with a blatant disregard to facts. you're speaking in absolutes, using strawmen, going over the top and reverting to name calling and some sort of gotcha game befitting a 12 year old.

i mean, you've got nothing but love for the dems, who apparently can do no wrong, and nothing but mindless consuming hate for a label that's not nearly as inclusive as you think.

as for greed, dems have plenty of pork barrel spending, vote to raise their salaries, and some conservative dems do vote for tax cuts for themselves, so i guess their also insanely greedy bastards too. and since you're a dem, i'll throw you in with them, since that seems to be the cool thing to do.

so, yeah, stop being so selfish and greedy :P

see why that doesn't work?[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on the first four paragraphs. I don't know though that saden is a Democrat though. I can't say for sure, but I seem to have remember him having some choice words for that party a few months back. I think he just wants Obama in office, more importantly he doesn't want McCain there. But I don't know that he's a card carrying member of the Dem Party

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[quote=GTripp0012;467816]This has got to be one of the very worst run Campaigns on both sides in recent memory, if ever.

I mean, you have Obama playing the race card on himself, trying to propose tax hikes on big oil, as well as the upper and middle classes. You have McCain who doesn't seem to be very interested in defending himself against the "Bush's third term" crap, suggesting a gas tax holiday as an economic breakthrough, and really making no clear attempt at all to balance the budget.

One of these guys is going to be running the country. [B]I predicted that we would see a president worse than Bush in the near future, but I didn't think that day could possibly come this soon.[/B]

My vote is totally up for grabs right now. First guy to suggest an idea that might work gets it. Because right now, both campaigns are out there, just trying to prove they are the lesser of the two evils, and that should inspire confidence in exactly no one.[/quote]

I'm not sure that's possible. If that happens we're in for a world of shit.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;467830]I'm not sure that's possible. If that happens we're in for a world of shit.[/QUOTE]

People probably wouldn't have thought it possible after Buchanan, or Harding, or Hoover.

I think that these are actually two strong candidates though

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[quote=FRPLG;467776]How is what his son was doing relevant?[/quote]
While his father was working on a bankruptcy bill his son started doning some consulting work for one of the largest supporters and credit card companies who where pushing congress to pass the bill. Its a conflict of interest and his son's law firm was paid over $500,000. I agree with the bill that was passed but I was pointing out to Saden that Biden is just another Washington career insider running on a platform of change.

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def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;467831]People probably wouldn't have thought it possible after [B]Buchanan, or Harding, or Hoover[/B].

I think that these are actually two strong candidates though[/QUOTE]

Wait, I thought the original quote was that we were expecting a worse President after Bush.

Lincoln followed Buchanan - Arguably the greatest President ever.

Coolidge followed Harding - While not a "great" President, he presided over a period of prosperity, and is generally considered a good President.

F.D.R. followed Hoover - Certainly a great President and maybe the only other one in the same class as Lincoln and Washington.

If [I]either[/I] McCain [I]or[/I] Obama is the next Lincoln, F.D.R. or even Coolidge, I will: 1) Sit in the upper deck of the Linc in full Redskins attire shouting "Eagles suck"; and 2) discount all evidence of global warming as Hell most assuredly had frozen over.

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[quote=firstdown;467837]While his father was working on a bankruptcy bill his son started doning some consulting work for one of the largest supporters and credit card companies who where pushing congress to pass the bill. Its a conflict of interest and his son's law firm was paid over $500,000. I agree with the bill that was passed but I was pointing out to Saden that Biden is just another Washington career insider running on a platform of change.[/quote]

Your implication is that his son's consulting had something to do with his vote? The implication that the state of Delaware is home to enormous number of credit card companies and therefore he's in their pockets would have been more palpable.

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[quote=Buster;467842]def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.[/quote]

:doh:

Swiftboating = Swift Boat tactics...it is what John Corsi is doing.

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[QUOTE=saden1;467889]Your implication is that his son's consulting had something to do with his vote? The implication that the state of Delaware is home to enormous number of credit card companies and therefore he's in their pockets would have been more palpable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=saden1;467890]:doh: Swiftboating = Swift Boat tactics...it is what John Corsi is doing.[/QUOTE]

It's only a sinister plot when the other guy is doing it.

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[quote=That Guy;467813]dick cheney has a gay daughter right? so i guess he can't be a republican now can he?
[/QUOTE]

No, but he's still a member of a party that believes his daughter is hell bound. A party that wants a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. It's like belonging to a party that believe you're child is not equal.

[quote=That Guy;467813]
you ignorance lies in how you talk about this vague republican "thing" as if it's f'ing satan and all that's wrong with everything, even though there a lot of republicans that aren't what you say they are.

i mean, i somehow doubt the republicans in chicago have any use for a confederate flag.
[/QUOTE]

I'm talking party platform. It's still trash irrespective of whether some of the party members don't share the same view.


[quote=That Guy;467813]
this ignorance is the mindless droning on about how evil a certain affiliation is with a blatant disregard to facts. you're speaking in absolutes, using strawmen, going over the top and reverting to name calling and some sort of gotcha game befitting a 12 year old.
[/QUOTE]

You keep telling me I'm ignorant and such but you don't tell me what the current Republican party offer. What there is to like about them.


[quote=That Guy;467813] i mean, you've got nothing but love for the dems, who apparently can do no wrong, and nothing but mindless consuming hate for a label that's not nearly as inclusive as you think.
[/QUOTE]

If you say so, but I tell you what, the Dems are certainly more inclusive than the other party.


[quote=That Guy;467813]as for greed, dems have plenty of pork barrel spending, vote to raise their salaries, and some conservative dems do vote for tax cuts for themselves, so i guess their also insanely greedy bastards too. and since you're a dem, i'll throw you in with them, since that seems to be the cool thing to do.

so, yeah, stop being so selfish and greedy :P

see why that doesn't work?[/quote]

The Blue Dogs are disgraceful. I don't really care for them or certain democrats. Are you happy? I do like the Democrats' platform though.

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[QUOTE=Buster;467842]def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and tells the truth about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.[/QUOTE]

And what lie did John Kerry tell? Please do not offer links to Fox News articles.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;467892]It's only a sinister plot when the other guy is doing it.[/quote]

Give me facts and you have yourself the truth. Flexing your imagination is not the truth.

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[quote=Buster;467842]def. of Swiftboating = When the opposition finds and [B]tells the truth[/B] about a lie you told, a counter-attack that cries "swiftboating" can be used (by the Democrats) to distract the issue and accuse the other party of lying when in reality, it was you who lied first.

It was a lame, whiny attempt at a cover-up when John Kerry cried about this, it's even more stupid now because there are no actual boats involved in Obama's lies.[/quote]
sometimes it seems like the G.O.P would rather bash their opponent, rather then discuss policy. im sure for the handful of vets the republicans trotted out saying Kerry wasn't this and wasn't that, the Dem's could trot out the same amount of vets to counter this. but why was his service to his country even an issue? did anyone care when Dick Cheney said he had more important things to do then to serve in the armed forces? i really don't care about this stuff. all i want is someone, anyone, that is competent enough to run this complex country we live in. eight years of a total diaster should have evreyone clamouring for solid leadership.

Re: Obama Selects Senator Joe Biden as Running Mate
 

[quote=SmootSmack;467822]I agree with you on the first four paragraphs. I don't know though that saden is a Democrat though. I can't say for sure, but I seem to have remember him having some choice words for that party a few months back. I think he just wants Obama in office, more importantly he doesn't want McCain there. But I don't know that he's a card carrying member of the Dem Party[/quote]

saden1 doesn't care for the democratic party because he believes them to be a bunch of pussies. saden1 is no longer an Obama fan, in fact, he cut him off and stopped sending him money the day he voted for the FISA bill. saden1 hates lies and half truths. saden1 is an ethicist. saden1 doesn't like the Republican party one bit.