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We have the players on both sides of the ball. Our time management on offense is crap. Running on a drive we need a TD, then an onside and atleast a FG to win? come on... time was running out! Second, run, run, run, run....isn't the west coast offense supposed to be lots of quick drop passing to open up the run...bullshit. Don't get me started on the first half defense.

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Two words for this offensive display of ineptitude: GOD AWFUL!!!!

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What's up with the thread title? How many months are "& months"

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[quote=SmootSmack;472738]What's up with the thread title? How many months are "& months"[/quote]


I think that it's supposed to read "I waited, and months for this crap" or something like that, but what do I know; I'm hungover?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472491]Yes, there were mistakes made, but it's only one game and JZ's first game as a coach. If you guys were like this when Gibbs first coached you would have fired him already. Let's give Zorn a chance, some adjustments and changes need to be made. I think it was a mistake not to sign Deltha O'Neal or Ricky Manning jr.[/quote]

I agree we shouldve tried to shore up the corners. Ours are always hurt, and suspect starters when they're healthy.

Are we really calling for GD colt brennan right now??!!?? Wow. :argue:

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This game left me craving some Gibbs.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;472698]4 years under his belt and what has he done? Lets call a spade a spade..He's a mediocre Qb and will not be the one whom will take us to the next level. Let me ask you. If you know that you will dump your girl in a year would you waste your time and date her or would you move to bigger and better things..the hour glass is flipped and its only a matter before Colt or Collins move in[/quote]

Techinically JC only has one season under his belt. What has Moss and Randle EL done lately????? The Oline??? I hate when fans say what have JC done lately? I know JC hasn't played like Brady, but you act like his receivers have being playing like T.O. JC might be a mediocre QB, but maybe his recievers are mediocre which will produce mediocre results. Lets be real the whole offense might need a makeover at all positions not just at QB.

You have a strong arm QB is is 6'4-6'5 throwing to receivers under 6 ft. That makes alot of sense. I don't understand what Synder, Gibbs, Cerrato, or whoever was thinking when they decided to get two receivers under 6. If they drafted Campbell knowing eventually he was going to be the "franchise QB" then why didn't they get bigger playmaking receivers??? Yes the drafted Kelly and Thomas this year., but it will be a year or two before they will make a difference. This issue should have been address when the drafted JC.

Putting Brennan in last night still wouldn't change the fact that receivers were running the wrong routes, stop running their routes and the Oline couldn't get the running game going. I think was in the beginning of the third quarter were Campbell threw it deep and Moss stop running is route and the ball almost got intercepted. That would have been a touchdown and may have changed the outcome of the game.
JC did miss a open players and didn't look at all of his "options" on the field. He does need to work on that.

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I personally think we are going to win the next two. Then everyone will have a boner over the Skins again and be talking SB. So funny how quickly everyone wants to jump ship.


BTW- If you are predicting a 9-7 record you have to lose seven games.

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Not jumping ship..just a little disgusted..

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It was a disappointing game on so many levels. At the same time, it was consistent with our preseason performance offensively and defensively. Both sides made some adjustments in the second half which, on defense, appeared to work b/c we did keep them scoreless. Offensivily, we just couldn't get it together and the play calling in the last six minutes was abysmal.

With all that said, it was one game. Can we not call for the end of the world?

According to him, Dan Snyder has learned football requires patience - any one here got any of that?

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[quote=mredskins;472800]BTW- If you are predicting a 9-7 record you have to lose seven games.[/quote]This should be obvious, but considering the state of the forum this morning, is actually quite funny.

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Dude its not that we lost...its that at times the offense looked like it came out of high school...thats the issue.

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The entire offseason was centered around an upgrade of the offense. The result certainly was not impressive. Less than 200 yards????? I'm not looking forward to the next game, the Saints will put up 400 yards

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What did you guys expect??? It's the first year for Zorn as a head coach, it's a completely different system from what we ran before... we'll probably be .500 and there's nothing wrong with that. I think I'm going to enjoy this year more than those in recent history because I don't expect us to be all that great. I just want to see a competitive team, week in and week out. If we make a solid improvement from the beginning of this year to the end, I'll be very happy.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;472871]What did you guys expect??? It's the first year for Zorn as a head coach, it's a completely different system from what we ran before... we'll probably be .500 and there's nothing wrong with that. I think I'm going to enjoy this year more than those in recent history because I don't expect us to be all that great. I just want to see a competitive team, week in and week out. If we make a solid improvement from the beginning of this year to the end, I'll be very happy.[/quote]


I agree!

But please win one Dallas game this year and the Ravens game. It will be hell if we lose that game.

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improvement cures all...thats fine...but it we can never stay on the field it will be a long season for our d

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;472454]2) Campbell is turning into the same dink and dunk loser he replaced in Mark Brunell. I thought we picked this kid up because of his strong arm but i didn't see a long pass thrown until the last 2 minutes of the game. He didn't have a terrible game but he did have a predictable one. One that lets the defense cheat and win the game. If he doesn't let the ball go sooner or turn it up Collins or my boy COLT will be breathing down HIS Horsecollar.[/quote]I always thought Campbell would be a great fit for the Saunders offense, and he really showed strides. My biggest disappointment is that it appears we're at ground zero in his learning curve for the WCO, which typically takes 2-3 years to master. He needs to improve his pocket presence (I put the opening sack squarely on Campbell), and he must read the D and deliver the ball much more quickly. I'm bracing for a long, bumpy ride this season.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;472837]Dude its not that we lost...its that at times the offense looked like it came out of high school...thats the issue.[/quote]

This is why I said a while ago that everyone was WAAAAY too high on Zorn. He hasn't even been an OC, so what makes people think he will be a good HC? That being said, I am confident that Zorn is an intellegent man, and he will adjust eventually...but the beginning of the season will be rough. Everyone that thought Zorn could be a super bowl winning coach first season is kidding themselves...this game clearly shows he's out of his league...but again, he won't be for long. He has the knowledge, and he has the ability to turn this around, and I am confident he will. The NFL is tough people...give Zorn some time.

(keep in mind, if we go 2-10 or something dreadful like that, I will be calling for the axe.)

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It's going to be a very long season

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Boy we could have used number 21 last night....there's a big difference without him back there rest in peace homie ...

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Can you say Todd Collins..

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[quote=Eknox;472971]Can you say Todd Collins..[/quote]

Nope!!!

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Todd would be the worst move right now. This is not a SB team it is a growing team with a QB who needs experience.

I would say yes to TC if JC was the only thing holding us back from a SB run this year. To bring in TC would be just dumb he may get us to 8 and 8, then what he retires. This year you play out JC see what happens, then at the end of the season decide if JC is the horse you will ride (same goes for Zorn).

I bet if the skins get five or less wins this season Danny scraps JZ and JC and Bill Cowher or some coach like that is brought in and the rebuilding begins.

But at this point you have to let it all play out over an entire season to see what you really have.

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[quote=mredskins;472982]

I bet if the skins get five or less wins this season Danny scraps JZ and JC and Bill Cowher or some coach like that is brought in and the rebuilding begins.
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I don't think so. I'm sure Danny has learned his lesson, if he does that who the hell would want to come coach this team. It doesn't matter how much money you offer when you have no type of control.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;472990]I don't think so. I'm sure Danny has learned his lesson, if he does that who the hell would want to come coach this team. It doesn't matter how much money you offer when you have no type of control.[/quote]


That is why he hired someone who didn't have a lot of experience. To coaches like a Cowher that makes this even a bigger challenge. Win where no one else has.

You don't think this would go on in a interview:

BC: Dan you fired Zorn after only one year. WTF?

DS: I told Zorn you got one year to make it happen (must get X number of wins to be considered succesful), consider your first year like a one year interview, prove to me you can be a head coach.

BC: Ok, give me complete control and 10 million deal done.

If Synder doesn't already have a rep amongest HC as being a hard ass I would be surprised. Firing Zorn after one year isn't going to change Danny's rep.

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Look, lets look at this in a positive way. Gas prices are plumeting and I saved alot of money on car insurance.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;473012]Look, lets look at this in a positive way. Gas prices are plumeting and I saved alot of money on car insurance.[/quote]

Whooooooo. That never gets old..... wait...it just did :spank:

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[quote=Angry;472742]I think that it's supposed to read "I waited, and months for this crap" or something like that, but what do I know; I'm hungover?[/quote]

Yeah real number one..never drunk or rage type..7 months for this crap..

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[quote=Eknox;472971]Can you say Todd Collins..[/quote]

The stage is sitting up for Colt Brennan to move in. Collins wont be able to manage. I say by week 14 they will move into the Brennan project

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;473146]The stage is sitting up for Colt Brennan to move in. Collins wont be able to manage. I say by week 14 they will move into the Brennan project[/quote]

By week 14, we should be close to 6-7 or 7-6, so no, Colt will still be firmly on the bench barring injury.

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It's the same problem every year for the past decade. The Redskins don't play well as a team. Forget playcalling, almost every play one person is getting beat, making a bad throw or running the wrong route. It doesn't matter what play is being called if you can't execute. And it's a different player each time which makes it very difficult to correct. I don't know if it's coaching, lack of leadership, bad luck or what. I am sure the players and coaches are just as frustrated as we fans are. However, it is getting harder and harder to dedicate an afternoon to watching this team play mediocre football.

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[quote=Eknox;472962]Boy we could have used number 21 last night....there's a big difference without him back there rest in peace homie ...[/quote]

The D did not loose this game and held them to 16 points.

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I'm really sick of browsing the threads and reading stuff about how JC is learning the offense still and how Jim Zorn is a rookie coach.
Give me a break, I know this league takes time but no matter how much you try to candy coat it that game was terrible.
Sure our defense played exceptional in the 2nd half, but our offense was a non factor. Santana Moss still can't hold onto a ball when there is someone who poses a threat in the vicinity. Jason Campbell looks absolutely terrified at times in the pocket (which he shouldn't be noting his size). Our running game looked so similar to last year it wasn't even funny.
No matter how many excuses you throw out at it you can't change what it is. We played like a high school team on offense.

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[quote=Cowell;473407]I'm really sick of browsing the threads and reading stuff about how JC is learning the offense still and how Jim Zorn is a rookie coach.
Give me a break, I know this league takes time but no matter how much you try to candy coat it that game was terrible.
Sure our defense played exceptional in the 2nd half, but our offense was a non factor. Santana Moss still can't hold onto a ball when there is someone who poses a threat in the vicinity. Jason Campbell looks absolutely terrified at times in the pocket (which he shouldn't be noting his size). Our running game looked so similar to last year it wasn't even funny.
No matter how many excuses you throw out at it you can't change what it is. We played like a high school team on offense.[/quote]

I thought our running game did ok. Portis didn't break the 100 mark, but he did rush for 84 yards. The Giants' D is nothing to sneeze at. No doubt that Jason looked lost out there, but like it or not, it is going to take time to develop.