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[quote=htownskinfan;499426]well good,I'm glad it didnt happen on that play,but I still think it was bad coaching to have CP in there trying to score a meaningless td,at that point it should have been run run run with Alexander[/quote]

I don't disagree with that a bit. Especially sense the game was for all practical purposes over at that point in the 4th. And CP was already nicked up, it was useless having him out there.

Good time for your #2 & #3 backs to be getting some work IF your running the ball?

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Any word on Santana or Springs? How bad are they? Rock and Alexander could do a decent job, but only if we have Moss in their.

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How are people saying that Sellers should be the replacement? He can't hit the holes as quickly or slide through nearly as well. Plus can he even handle carrying the ball that many times? He's not the 265lb'er in the CFL anymore.

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From the otherwise disgusting Peter King about Romo:
I think this is Romo's health status as of this morning: Talked to Romo on Saturday, while he was on his final two days off of a bye week, and he told me, naturally, that he would definitely play against Washington on Sunday night at FedEx Field. But it sounded like he'd be affected by his partially healed broken right pinky finger. The break is just below the top knuckle on his right little finger, and he'll play with a splint on it.

"It won't be all the way healed,'' he said. "It's still probably a good two or three weeks away from that. I don't know where it's exactly going to be, healing-wise, in Washington, but my timing will be fine.''

The key is whether Romo will be able to throw a hard 15-yard out. Any quarterback who can't throw a liner to the sidelines is going to be a detriment. "I had to throw one of those this week,'' he said. "I'm not going to lie to you. There was pain when I threw it. But I can take the pain. If I've done it once, I can do it again.'' Romo also told me the finger "has gotten healthy enough so I could take a hit on it.'' We'll see.
[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/11/09/week10/5.html]Multiple NFL stars deliver season-defining performances - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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Don't worry. If CP can't go Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, and Fred Davis will pick up the slack on offense.





Not.

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[quote=TenandSix:Unacceptable;499451]Don't worry. If CP can't go Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, and Fred Davis will pick up the slack on offense.





Not.[/quote]

Oh, I don't think it's impossible for them to possibly have a good game this sunday.. Well, except for Kelly obviously.. But Thomas and Davis, it might be their chance to prove themselves.. They rarely have a chance to show themselves because of the players above them.. I'm pretty sure Thomas have done well when thrown to.. He might be over aggressive w/ blocking or whatever sometime.. But how can he learn if he does not make any mistakes?

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I'm officially off the Devin Thomas bandwagon. Like most Mich St. receivers, he runs poor routes, and in the NFL, he absolutely can not run by anyone.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;499329]I'm not so sure Betts is going to be ready. Huge drop off to Alexander and Rock if you have to go with #3 RB's.[/quote]

Pittsburgh was playing with Mewelde Moore. Next guy up. Rock has had 100 yard games before. I'm not saying it's not a drop off but it's not the end of the world if CP doesn't play. Get Fred Davis on the field so we'll have another playmaker.

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[quote=GTripp0012;499476]I'm officially off the Devin Thomas bandwagon. Like most Mich St. receivers, he runs poor routes, and in the NFL, he absolutely can not run by anyone.[/quote]

I am with you Tripp, I am still holding out hope for Malcolm Kelly.
I've got a gut feeling that he will do well for us once he gets in.

As for Fred Davis...if Cooley's can't get in the endzone, there is no way Fred Davis can...unless, of course they unveil their 2 receiving TE set that they were bragging on since the draft....HA!, what a bunch of crap to justify the pick over a need.

Ya know, why not spend significant time with Campbell and the rookies to work on timing in practice?
Hell, just bench the first stringers during practice and put them in to force Campbell to get used to throwing to them. Remember it took Campbell a couple years to get used to the idea of throwing to Moss. That was a big question mark in offseason.

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Re: Davis, I have no issue whatsoever with them using an early pick to add depth to a position where we have a starter, and absolutely nothing worthwhile behind him. I do have a problem with them going and playing that worthless player, even though Davis is healthy and available.

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[quote=GridIron26;499452]Oh, I don't think it's impossible for them to possibly have a good game this sunday.. Well, except for Kelly obviously.. But Thomas and Davis, it might be their chance to prove themselves.. They rarely have a chance to show themselves because of the players above them.. I'm pretty sure Thomas have done well when thrown to.. He might be over aggressive w/ blocking or whatever sometime.. But how can he learn if he does not make any mistakes?[/quote]

I think the coaches have done a poor job of having a couple of plays designed to get them into the action. Besides that reverse (which did not work) what other plays have we run were the ball was going to them?

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[quote=GTripp0012;499476]I'm officially off the Devin Thomas bandwagon. Like most Mich St. receivers, he runs poor routes, and in the NFL, he absolutely can not run by anyone.[/quote]

I'm actually off the Kelly bandwagon and hitched a ride with the thomas group.
I like that Thomas is a football player not just a WR. Once he figures out how to adjust to the game, I think he will have a weapon over the middle. I think we need to see him on kickoff returns...


I'm tired of Kelly, He gets banged up more than Paris Hiltons vagina.

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Thomas has been running routes regularly.
There are 3 reasons he hasn't caught any passes.
A. His route running
B. No seperation
C. Campbell doesn't trust him.

And to GTripp's point....B and C are likely due to A....solve that and it fixes the others.

That is why I still hold out hope for Malcolm Kelly, he aint a "red-shirt" Redskin like Devon Thomas....Now that I think of it, thats a good nickname....Redshirt Thomas!
UGH....at least its not Red-skirt!
He'd have to EARN that nickname by actually catching a ball and being a wuss thereafter.

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[quote=GTripp0012;499476]I'm officially off the Devin Thomas bandwagon. Like most Mich St. receivers, he runs poor routes, and in the NFL, he absolutely can not run by anyone.[/quote]

You were never on it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;499476]I'm officially off the Devin Thomas bandwagon. Like most Mich St. receivers, he runs poor routes, and in the NFL, he absolutely can not run by anyone.[/quote]
He has beat coverage on several plays and JC missed him wide open down the field. He will get his chance and I think the coaches need to do a better job of getting him involved in the game.

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[quote=firstdown;499506]He has beat coverage on several plays and JC missed him wide open down the field. He will get his chance and I think the coaches need to do a better job of getting him involved in the game.[/quote]

I agree, he cannot throw the ball to himself when he is wide open. Eventually, JC is going to hit him a few times and it is going to be "game on!".

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[quote=Ruhskins;499427]Are you drunk?[/quote]

Unless I'm wrong about the "Two time Pro Bowler"(The infamous TTB) part then no I'm not drunk. When word came that the Skins picked up the TTB instead of bringing back Mason the lot of you said SA would be the perfect fit, that he would teach Portis something. lol. Now you all are saying with out Portis we are doomed. lol. Apparently your faith has wained a bit and the TTB is not the answer. lol. Atleast some of us were looking at a more current player who led the league in preseason. Oh ...thats right led the league in preseason against 2nd and 3rd stringers. lol.

Ya'll can't have it two ways...you can't say the TTB is going to revitalize his career here and then two weeks later say we are doomed if we don't have Portis or Betts.

Where are all the Rock fans who say Rock is a #1 and should be given a chance to run the ball? That he will fill in nicely for Portis and Betts. We have 3 RB on this team and and now a 4th and only Portis is the man? Maybe we should pick up another RB you know ....just in case something happens to Rock.

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I just wish we could see a repeat of Thomas' first td pass (without the penalty of course)

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[quote=jamf;499492]I'm actually off the Kelly bandwagon and hitched a ride with the thomas group.
I like that Thomas is a football player not just a WR. Once he figures out how to adjust to the game, I think he will have a weapon over the middle. I think we need to see him on kickoff returns...


[B]I'm tired of Kelly, He gets banged up more than Paris Hiltons vagina.[/B][/quote]

Really, really classy. :pimp:

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[quote=jamf;499492]I'm actually off the Kelly bandwagon and hitched a ride with the thomas group.
I like that Thomas is a football player not just a WR. Once he figures out how to adjust to the game, I think he will have a weapon over the middle. I think we need to see him on kickoff returns...


I'm tired of Kelly, He gets banged up more than Paris Hiltons vagina.[/quote]

[B] and i bet he does'nt get half the action her vajayjay gets! [/B]

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[quote=johnerotten;499526][B] and i bet he does'nt get half the action her vajayjay gets! [/B][/quote]

That much action would have put him on IR before the season started.

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[quote=SBXVII;499517]Unless I'm wrong about the "Two time Pro Bowler"(The infamous TTB) part then no I'm not drunk. When word came that the Skins picked up the TTB instead of bringing back Mason the lot of you said SA would be the perfect fit, that he would teach Portis something. lol. Now you all are saying with out Portis we are doomed. lol. Apparently your faith has wained a bit and the TTB is not the answer. lol. Atleast some of us were looking at a more current player who led the league in preseason. Oh ...thats right led the league in preseason against 2nd and 3rd stringers. lol.

Ya'll can't have it two ways...you can't say the TTB is going to revitalize his career here and then two weeks later say we are doomed if we don't have Portis or Betts.

Where are all the Rock fans who say Rock is a #1 and should be given a chance to run the ball? That he will fill in nicely for Portis and Betts. We have 3 RB on this team and and now a 4th and only Portis is the man? Maybe we should pick up another RB you know ....just in case something happens to Rock.[/quote]

My mistake, for some reason I thought you were talking about D. Hall (shoot, maybe I'm drunk). Well Shaun Alexander was brought to spell Portis until Betts got back. I don't think anyone was saying that he was a savior or something like that; nor no one expected Portis to get hurt. He's (Portis) arguably our best player and we can't win when he is shut down or out with an injury (if we can, I'll happily eat my words).

SA was told that he would come to help while Betts was out, and that he might not be with the team at the end of the season. I think some of us were wishfully thinking that SA would see this as a shot to get back in the league and play well...but play well as a back up, not as the starter. Even if Betts was back 100% healthy, you have to be concerned with the Portis injury. Right now, if Portis can't play, we just need a RB that can hold on to the ball and manage the running game.

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^ I'm with you 100%. I'm just trying to stir the pot with the Mason haters and the TTB lovers. lol. I'll agree with out Portis it will be more difficult, however I would like to think Zorn would utilize SA in his better roll as a pass catching RB and use Rock or Betts if healthy as the RB. Heck set up both in the back field and make the defense wonder what is coming....pass or run.

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[quote=firstdown;499506]He has beat coverage on several plays and JC missed him wide open down the field. He will get his chance and [B]I think the coaches need to do a better job of getting him involved in the game.[/B][/quote]

Agreed. Fred Davis also.

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I believe he'll play and he's just sitting out practice so he can rest and avoid aggravating his knee.

He's a warrior. It takes a lot to get him off the field.

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As per ESPN's power rankings:

[U] 5 (5) Redskins 6-3-0 They need Clinton Portis to play Sunday. He'll answer the bell.[/U]

There you have it....etch it in stone then! CP's ready to go....?

Really I think CP will rest this week he fully understands the stakes are extremely high for this game, and will have a miraculous recovery....AT THE PUKES EXPENSE!

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[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/portis_and_zorn_on_the_air.html"]Portis, Zorn Broadcast the Injury News - Redskins Insider[/URL]

Apparently Clinton can't even straighten his leg out right now. Shit. Not sounding too good. We've got 5 days, but still. Plus from the sounds of things Santana's hammy is going to continue to be an issue. Portis is as tough as they come, but not being able to bend your leg is obviously a bad sign.

Portis being out for Sunday is a real possibility, and Ladell won't be 100% even if he can play. If Moss can't be a major factor, we'll be in trouble. We need to make a decision on Malcolm Kelly like yesterday. No Moss or Portis could really derail us. We're gonna need WR help. There is a big difference between 2-2 in the division and 6-4 overall than 3-1 and 7-3.

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Sometimes the defense has to win the game for you. Let's hope that our relative turnover drought ends and the defense does just this.

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[quote=Lotus;499644]Sometimes the defense has to win the game for you. Let's hope that our relative turnover drought ends and the defense does just this.[/quote]


Ah yeah, that is the ticket bud!!! Letting the D win it worked well with Pittsburgh and us not scoring points in Detroit could have been a disaster as we only won by 8. Relying on a defense with a banged up secondary facing a plethora of WRs that Dallas has isn't a very good strategy, more like misplaced hope. Dallas needs to win the game more than us since they are on a nasty slide and need to turn it around now. JC needs to step it up, as well as the other wideouts or we lose the game. Simple as that!!!!!!!!

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If this is a 2nd degree MCL sprain it sure does make you think not only about Dallas, but about the playoff push with CP in less than par condition, to say the least..?

# So Clinton Portis mentioned on John Thompson’s radio show on ESPN980 that he has a second-degree MCL sprain, which is what prompted Coach Zorn’s 50/50 assessment yesterday. Portis held out hope of playing on Sunday night, but I was a bit unsettled to find that a second-degree MCL sprain is what knocked LaDainian Tomlinson out of the playoffs last season. Not entirely encouraging news there, to say the least.

[url=http://theredskinsblog.com/]The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/url]

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Yeah fellas I basically wish Zorn and co would go into this game [B]not[/B] counting on CP, Betts or Moss and instead create a game-plan that starts to incorporate other weapons. Unwise IMO to expect much from tailbacks w/ serious knee sprains and likewise whenever Moss has hammy pulls (every fucking year). Among the WR corp I really hope we start ARL and then rotate Thrash, Thomas and Kelly if he plays. See who is on their game for the day and getting open and then get them the ball. Also, let's get Davis more involved. I suppose this probably sounds risky but what is the alternative... hope that Moss and CP get totally healthy in another 5 days so we can go back to the same old offense that teams are expecting? [I]Please[/I]. It's time to see what JC can do when he has to carry the offense - great QBs [B]have to learn to do this[/B]. Zorn should give him the shot.

And sure we can still run the ball. Rotate SA, Rock and even Sellers to keep em guessing.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;499652]If this is a 2nd degree MCL sprain it sure does make you think not only about Dallas, but about the playoff push with CP in less than par condition, to say the least..?

# So Clinton Portis mentioned on John Thompson’s radio show on ESPN980 that he has a second-degree MCL sprain, which is what prompted Coach Zorn’s 50/50 assessment yesterday. Portis held out hope of playing on Sunday night, but I was a bit unsettled to find that [B]a second-degree MCL sprain is what knocked LaDainian Tomlinson out of the playoffs last season. Not entirely encouraging news there, to say the least[/B].

[url=http://theredskinsblog.com/]The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/url][/quote]

Probably a good reason to sit CP no matter what - no reason to risk a massive injury because he's partially hobbled.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;499652]If this is a 2nd degree MCL sprain it sure does make you think not only about Dallas, but about the playoff push with CP in less than par condition, to say the least..?

# So Clinton Portis mentioned on John Thompson’s radio show on ESPN980 that he has a second-degree MCL sprain, which is what prompted Coach Zorn’s 50/50 assessment yesterday. Portis held out hope of playing on Sunday night, but [B]I was a bit unsettled to find that a second-degree MCL sprain is what knocked LaDainian Tomlinson out of the playoffs last season[/B]. Not entirely encouraging news there, to say the least.

[URL="http://theredskinsblog.com/"]The Official Blog of The Washington Redskins[/URL][/quote]

This doesn't make me feel any better...

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3222896"]ESPN - Second-degree MCL sprain to sideline LT six weeks - NFL[/URL]

Here's more info on MCL sprains:

[url=http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/knee/medial_collateral_ligament_sprain_full.php]Medial Collateral Ligament Sprain (MCL Sprain) in Depth - Knee[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;499653]Yeah fellas I basically wish Zorn and co would go into this game [B]not[/B] counting on CP, Betts or Moss and instead create a game-plan that starts to incorporate other weapons. Unwise IMO to expect much from tailbacks w/ serious knee sprains and likewise whenever Moss has hammy pulls (every fucking year). Among the WR corp I really hope we start ARL and then rotate Thrash, Thomas and Kelly if he plays. See who is on their game for the day and getting open and then get them the ball. Also, let's get Davis more involved. I suppose this probably sounds risky but what is the alternative... hope that Moss and CP get totally healthy in another 5 days so we can go back to the same old offense that teams are expecting? [I]Please[/I]. It's time to see what JC can do when he has to carry the offense - great QBs [B]have to learn to do this[/B]. Zorn should give him the shot.

And sure we can still run the ball. Rotate SA, Rock and even Sellers to keep em guessing.[/quote]

I agree and have been thinking that is what would happen after the break even if Portis and Moss were healthy. This is a growing offense and it's time to grow. Unfortunately we've had some setbacks with our rookies but thats just the way it is. I think (hoping) Zorn is going to start breaking some new stuff out and also improve on what we are already doing. I'm still waiting on the 2 tightend set with Davis and I think it could be beneficial for us. Especially inside the 20. Thomas was open enough to catch that TD that was called back because of the BS penalty on Heyer in the Cardinals? game. Let's see some more of that. We should see how creative the Z-man is down the stretch. Sometimes you have to make do with what you have. I think Zorn will adjust. It seems like he's done a pretty good job of adjusting his offense to the players so far.

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[quote=53Fan;499659]I agree and have been thinking that is what would happen after the break even if Portis and Moss were healthy. This is a growing offense and it's time to grow. Unfortunately we've had some setbacks with our rookies but thats just the way it is. I think (hoping) Zorn is going to start breaking some new stuff out and also improve on what we are already doing. I'm still waiting on the 2 tightend set with Davis and I think it could be beneficial for us. Especially inside the 20. Thomas was open enough to catch that TD that was called back because of the BS penalty on Heyer in the Cardinals? game. Let's see some more of that. We should see how creative the Z-man is down the stretch. Sometimes you have to make do with what you have. I think Zorn will adjust. It seems like he's done a pretty good job of adjusting his offense to the players so far.[/quote]

Good analysis and I won't be surprised either if the offensive scheme is more dynamic starting Sunday night.

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[quote=GMScud;499658]This doesn't make me feel any better...

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3222896"]ESPN - Second-degree MCL sprain to sideline LT six weeks - NFL[/URL]

Here's more info on MCL sprains:

[url=http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/knee/medial_collateral_ligament_sprain_full.php]Medial Collateral Ligament Sprain (MCL Sprain) in Depth - Knee[/url][/quote]

Rehab 6-8 weeks. Don't return to soon. It's time for some of our other R.B.'s to step up. That's what they're paid for. I feel for Portis, he's been awesome this year. If it really is a second degree sprain, the best we could hope for is to make the playoffs and get him back in time to help us in the postseason.

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[quote=53Fan;499662]Rehab 6-8 weeks. Don't return to soon. It's time for some of our other R.B.'s to step up. That's what they're paid for. I feel for Portis, he's been awesome this year.[/quote]

Yep - this is why we have a legit #2 at tailback. Betts should be toward the end of his recovery and just working on strength and flexibility now. Hopefully by Seattle he's ready to carry the full load and pickup where he left off in '06: rushing for 100+ ypg.

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Pass pro has been a big issue for Dallas, and with Portis looking like he won't play and Betts still not full go, we're gonna have to pass first in this one. I hope all the assessments the coaches did during the bye week have some plans to compensate when 26 can't get on the field.

Last week I was pumped for this game. Now I'm a little more worried.

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[quote=GMScud;499666]Pass pro has been a big issue for Dallas, and with Portis looking like he won't play and Betts still not full go, [B]we're gonna have to pass first in this one.[/B] I hope all the assessments the coaches did during the bye week have some plans to compensate when 26 can't get on the field.

Last week I was pumped for this game. Now I'm a little more worried.[/quote]

You know the funny thing is, this is the WCO, we're SUPPOSE to pass first.:) I think we kinda got away from that.

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[quote=53Fan;499668]You know the funny thing is, this is the WCO, we're SUPPOSE to pass first.:) I think we kinda got away from that.[/quote]

Well, I think we've been using a lot of WCO passing schemes, but Zorn has been smartly playing to our strength so far, which has been downhill running with a great run-blocking line and pro-bowl RB. With Portis out it certainly changes things. Although with Moss nursing the perennial hammy, I'm not too thrilled about the idea of throwing a ton either. Time to learn the play book Devin Thomas. We need you.