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hagams....I agree with you. To say guns kill people is to say the cars drunk drivers are using kill people. Maybe we should ban cars. That way law abiding drivers can get screwed also. Sorry I could go off on a huge tangent but won't. Just because the law says everyone has a right to own a gun does not mean everyone should. You can't handle a gun safely then you should not be one to own or carry a gun around.

Now if your going to a Philli game....thats a different story. lol. just kidding.

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[quote=saden1;504863]It doesn't matter whether he brought it in with him for protection or not. What matters is that several things had to go "wrong" to get to a point where you shoot yourself. Thankfully no one else was shot and I'm sure he's glad he didn't shoot himself in the crotch.

[URL="http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp"]Fundamental Gun Safety Rules[/URL]:[/quote]

Saden, to piggyback on your post, they are pretty much the same weapon rules we have in the Corps.

Safety Rules:
1. Treat EVERY weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot (In this case, yourself)
3. Keep your weapon on safe until you are ready to fire.
4. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire.

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I did not think you were legally allowed to carry a weapon in NYC unless you were a police officer or some other person of the law. This could have legal implications for Burress.

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Burress does need a safety lesson or two on being a gun owner. You got to respect it and be smart. I have been a gun owner for many years and have never had an accident.

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I'll say this, how in the hell can Pacman get re-instated with a "Zero Tolerance" policy even in baseball your out after 3 strikes. Plaxico should be equally banned for a year and have to apply later on.

If players are not allowed to lay on the ground after a TD or do any of this unsportansman like or distraction to the game stuff and certainly on a dedication ring of honor weekend game a player shoots himself involved in gun play still be allowed to Don a jersey and wear the NFL logo being an ambassador to the world for Goodell's $ billion product than what gives.

EA SPORTS says if its in the game.....Role models and representatives of the NFL toting guns like scarface shooting himself in the leg. Than what other felonies can these above the law players and politicians get away with before someone says maybe along with musicians/movies/video games but athletes are corrupting our youth today. Will the NFL have disclaimers before games.

Ban Burress and let him make supplemental income as a poster boy for smith and wessun or guns and ammo.

If the NFL dares to honor STaylor and lets Burress off with anything less is a slap in the face or dismissal of seans life.

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[quote=saden1;504863]It doesn't matter whether he brought it in with him for protection or not. What matters is that several things had to go "wrong" to get to a point where you shoot yourself. Thankfully no one else was shot and I'm sure he's glad he didn't shoot himself in the [B][I][U]crotch.[/U][/I][/B]

[URL="http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp"]Fundamental Gun Safety Rules[/URL]:[/quote]

That would be an evolutionary break through. No more survival of the dumbest simply b/c they'll have money for 5 lifetimes and their family.

This country is ailing economically w/o jobs and he squanders his not even mentioning the great honor of being a top reciever playing the game we all wish we could for 1 day.

Unbelievable................

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[quote=Mr.Redskin;504919]I'll say this, how in the hell can Pacman get re-instated with a "Zero Tolerance" policy even in baseball your out after 3 strikes. Plaxico should be equally banned for a year and have to apply later on.

If players are not allowed to lay on the ground after a TD or do any of this unsportansman like or distraction to the game stuff and certainly on a dedication ring of honor weekend game a player shoots himself involved in gun play still be allowed to Don a jersey and wear the NFL logo being an ambassador to the world for Goodell's $ billion product than what gives.

EA SPORTS says if its in the game.....Role models and representatives of the NFL toting guns like scarface shooting himself in the leg. Than what other felonies can these above the law players and politicians get away with before someone says maybe along with musicians/movies/video games but athletes are corrupting our youth today. Will the NFL have disclaimers before games.

Ban Burress and let him make supplemental income as a poster boy for smith and wessun or guns and ammo.

If the NFL dares to honor STaylor and lets Burress off with anything less is a slap in the face or dismissal of seans life.[/quote]

LOL,ban him.............and that work so well with everyone else? Pacman has been arrested 6 times while in the NFL ,this is Burrass first(and he hasn't been arrested ...yet) ,also he was not in a fight or throwing anything at women,he did not shoot a bouncer and blame it on his possy.He'll never play for the Giants again...so relaxe now you have Steve Smith and Hixon and Toomer to worry about.


P.S

Only a fool would try to connect the Death of Sean Taylor and what this idiot did up in NY,just stop.

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^ agreed

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[quote=Skins4L;504857]anybody seen 8 mile with eminem?....Plaxico is CHEDDAR BOB!...hahaha[/quote]

They have found a surveillance picture from the club right before the incident occurred....

[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/29/8849/"]Surveillance pic[/URL]

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Not only is Plaxico facing a 3.5yr minimum sentence, Pierce may be charged as well.... This is just so amazingly stupid.

[B][URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/30/plax-pierce-facing-criminal-charges/"][COLOR=#0000ff]PLAX, PIERCE FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES[/COLOR][/URL][/B]

Posted by Mike Florio on November 30, 2008, 7:23 a.m.
As previously expected, Giants receiver [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]Plaxico Burress[/URL] is in big trouble. Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News reports that [URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2008/11/29/2008-11-29_giants_receiver_plaxico_burress_accident.html?page=0"][COLOR=#0000ff]Burress likely will be arrested on felony weapons charges[/COLOR][/URL] in the coming days after shooting himself in the leg at a Manhattan club with a weapon that he wasn’t properly licensed to carry.
As not previously expected, Giants linebacker Antonio Pierce could face charges of his own for allegedly taking the gun and stashing it in New Jersey after the incident.
(This would have been a great Playmakers episode if the show wasn’t so unrealistic in its depiction of the lifestyles of pro [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]football[/URL] players.)
Per Vacchiano, police became aware of the incident only after Giants employees “reached out quietly” to report it. A representative of the team was planning to retrieve the gun and surrender it to police.
Translation: The [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/#"]New York Giants[/URL] will do nothing at all to shield Burress from the consequences of his conduct. In fact, the New York Giants seem to be more than willing to help the authorities take Burress off their hands.
As to Pierce, his attorney told police he’d cooperate in the investigation in exchange for a promise that he won’t be charged. But why would police need Pierce’s voluntary cooperation? Burress has a .40 caliber hole in his leg that wasn’t caused by a stapler, and his employer is actively assisting the investigation. Pierce has no leverage here, and his best bet is to cooperate fully and then hope for lenience.
For Plaxico, the law seemingly prevents much lenience. As we explained on Saturday night, illegal possession of a firearm in New York City [URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/29/burress-could-be-facing-35-years-in-jail/"][COLOR=#0000ff]results in a mandatory 3.5 year prison sentence[/COLOR][/URL], without exception.
And as to anyone who thinks that the Poindexter effect might prompt police to look the other way, New York City ain’t Surry County, Virginia. As one police source told Vacchiano regarding Burress, “He went for his gun and fumbled it. And now it will cost him.”

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[quote=GMScud;504944]They have found a surveillance picture from the club right before the incident occurred....

[URL="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/11/29/8849/"]Surveillance pic[/URL][/quote]

I gotta be honest, I expected to be Ric Rolled!!!

Why would he have his helmet in the car??

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Didnt see this anywheres either but Pierce could be in trouble too by the looks of it

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/11/30/plaxico-burress-expected-to-be-arrested-antonio-pierce-could-fa/]Plaxico Burress Expected to Be Arrested, Antonio Pierce Could Face Criminal Charges - NFL FanHouse[/url]

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;504960]Didnt see this anywheres either but Pierce could be in trouble too by the looks of it

[URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/11/30/plaxico-burress-expected-to-be-arrested-antonio-pierce-could-fa/"]Plaxico Burress Expected to Be Arrested, Antonio Pierce Could Face Criminal Charges - NFL FanHouse[/URL][/quote]

Super Bowl or not they should both be gone the rest of the season.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;504960]Didnt see this anywheres either but Pierce could be in trouble too by the looks of it

[URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/11/30/plaxico-burress-expected-to-be-arrested-antonio-pierce-could-fa/"]Plaxico Burress Expected to Be Arrested, Antonio Pierce Could Face Criminal Charges - NFL FanHouse[/URL][/quote]

Sorry guess I was wrong. it was posted I didnt see it hadnt been up long and hadn't had my first cup of coffee..

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[quote=Giantone;504963]Super Bowl or not they should both be gone the rest of the season.[/quote]

I agree that Pierce should probably be suspended, but only if charges are filed. But from initial reports it sounds like he tried to hide the gun in question. Maybe one of our legal experts (SGG?) could weigh in. I don't know what the exact charge would be, but tampering with and/or concealing evidence involved in a felony gun case doesn't sound fun to me.

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too bad it hit his leg and not his head. These dumb aholes with too much money and not enough brains need to be thinned from the heard!

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[quote=Giantone;504932]LOL,ban him.............and that work so well with everyone else? Pacman has been arrested 6 times while in the NFL ,this is Burrass first(and he hasn't been arrested ...yet) ,also he was not in a fight or throwing anything at women,he did not shoot a bouncer and blame it on his possy.He'll never play for the Giants again...so relaxe now you have Steve Smith and Hixon and Toomer to worry about.


P.S

Only a fool would try to connect the Death of Sean Taylor and what this idiot did up in NY,just stop.[/quote]


1.First off this is not the first run in or disciplinary instance with Burress even this year alone, FACT.
2. I worry not about any smith,hixon,toomer
3. Your calling me a fool in a free society while I exchange my thoughts and ideas with my Redskin community, Never am I or could I be defined by any other than myself
4. Only a jackass would poke and prod on Taylors anniversary game a redskin fan on a redskin site voicing his concern and emotional anguish from a gun related incident that took the life of his favorite player. You have no current players with on your team to speak of so sit back STF, you ignorant F'N jackass. How dare you.

PS PAcman wasnt Banned. Go to Dallas and see. You should know better. Youve been on this site for years.

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Holy crap! Did anyone hear Glazer say that if he is convicted of having an illegal gun he could face a minimum three year sentence?

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[quote]hagams....I agree with you. To say guns kill people is to say the cars drunk drivers are using kill people. Maybe we should ban cars. That way law abiding drivers can get screwed also. Sorry I could go off on a huge tangent but won't. Just because the law says everyone has a right to own a gun does not mean everyone should. You can't handle a gun safely then you should not be one to own or carry a gun around.[/quote]
I disagree here. Hand guns have one purpose. To kill people. You don't buy a hand gun for transportation, you don't ride your hand gun around. Granted, stupid people in both circumstances cause more fatalities, but hand guns have no other purpose.

Yeah. Plax is in big trouble. I hear 1 year minimum sentence, but 3 is even worse. Wow.

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[quote=Stuck in TX;504990]Holy crap! Did anyone hear Glazer say that if he is convicted of having an illegal gun he could face a minimum three year sentence?[/quote]

Look at my earlier post... It's actually a new law in New York- if you possess an illegal firearm in the city, it's a 3.5 year minimum sentence, no exceptions. And he is expected to be charged this week.

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I hate the Giants but they don't need this idiot to win. The Giant's have a tough coach who has already dropped this moron like a hot rock. Plaxico will need all his money for some major legal talent. I think he'll do time and probably won't play in the NFL again.

Pierce will probably also get in trouble and will probably face criminal charges and sanctions from the NFL.

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[quote=A10sROCK;505723]I hate the Giants but they don't need this idiot to win. The Giant's have a tough coach who has already dropped this moron like a hot rock. Plaxico will need all his money for some major legal talent. I think he'll do time and probably won't play in the NFL again.

Pierce will probably also get in trouble and will probably face criminal charges and sanctions from the NFL.[/quote]

I believe Plaxico "the Giant idiot" as the NY media refers to him by, has been replaced by Hixon. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;505733]I believe Plaxico "the Giant idiot" as the NY media refers to him by, has been replaced by Hixon. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.[/quote]

What are you saying - I'm not a Redskins fan? Hey, I have 6000 posts on hR and almost 200 after joining this site 3 weeks ago.

[B]I said the Giant's didn't need Plaxico to win[/B]. I posted after the game was played.

A multi-millionaire football player working for millions of dollars per year shots himself in the leg. Could do 3.5 years of jail time. Don't you call that stupid?

Why don't you read my post?

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Burress is a virus

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[quote=A10sROCK;505788]What are you saying - I'm not a Redskins fan? Hey, I have 6000 posts on hR and almost 200 after joining this site 3 weeks ago.

[B]I said the Giant's didn't need Plaxico to win[/B]. I posted after the game was played.

A multi-millionaire football player working for millions of dollars per year shots himself in the leg. Could do 3.5 years of jail time. Don't you call that stupid?

Why don't you read my post?[/quote]

I believe SFREDSKIN was refering to Plaxico when he said , don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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[quote=53Fan;505821]I believe SFREDSKIN was refering to Plaxico when he said , don't let the door hit you on the way out.[/quote]

Thank you for clarifying. Like 53Fan said, I was referring to Plaxico "the Giant idiot" not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;505823]Thank you for clarifying. Like 53Fan said, I was referring to Plaxico "the Giant idiot" not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.[/quote]

My bad, I thought you were talking to me. My apologies.

My guess is that this NFL commissioner will have little sympathy for Burress. I suspect he will make his judgement before this is concluded in court.

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[quote=A10sROCK;505827]My bad, I thought you were talking to me. My apologies.

My guess is that this NFL commissioner will have little sympathy for Burress. I suspect he will make his judgement before this is concluded in court.[/quote]

I almost said make sure to put the safety lock on the way out or he'll get shot in the ass!

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Nothing funny about carrying a handgun and not being responsible with it. I have no idea why he was in a public facility with a round chambered.

Poor judgement at the very least.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;505828]I almost said make sure to put the safety lock on the way out or he'll get shot in the ass![/quote]

Yeah, unfortunately the newest pistols do not have the old manual safety locks on them ["Red is Dead"]. If there's a bullet in the chamber and you pull the trigger on the latest models, it will shoot. "Internal safety" now means that if you drop it on the floor it won't go off - but nothing else will stop it from firing if you pull the trigger.

Why you would carry a loaded pistol in an expensive club [with it's own security] is beyond me. He'll probably be thinking about that a lot when he's watching the NFL on tv...........

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[quote=GMScud;504968]I agree that Pierce should probably be suspended, but only if charges are filed. But from initial reports it sounds like he tried to hide the gun in question. Maybe one of our legal experts (SGG?) could weigh in. I don't know what the exact charge would be, but tampering with and/or concealing evidence involved in a felony gun case doesn't sound fun to me.[/quote]

I can't offer any decent insight because I'm not familiar with the relevant New York statutes or the underlying facts. However, I would think that the police and the district attorney's office are looking at obstruction of justice and, as you pointed out, evidence tampering charges.

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I can attest to the fact that NYPD and the NY County DA's office will not hesitate to prosecute this felony to the max.

The laws here in Manhattan are fairly straightforward. The intolerance to firearms is one of the major reasons I enjoy living here.

That and the clubs...

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[quote=GMScud;504999]Look at my earlier post... It's actually a new law in New York- if you possess an illegal firearm in the city, it's a 3.5 year minimum sentence, no exceptions. And he is expected to be charged this week.[/quote]

yeah it's a law Bloomberg passed in the last few years, not good news for Plax.

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Bloomberg came out and said there will be no exceptions made for Plex.

BTW, If Pierce took the gun and hid it, He should be charged with possession of an illegal firearm and suspended by the league.

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[quote=jamf;506477]Bloomberg came out and said there will be no exceptions made for Plex.

BTW, If Pierce took the gun and hid it, He should be charged with possession of an illegal firearm and suspended by the league.[/quote]

It's a goes back to P diddy and what happen with him a few years back.Bloomberg needs to shut his mouth ,Plax has a good Lawyer and even Jack Ford said yesterday alot of cases like this have been dealt down,the NY system just can't handel everyone with a gun.as I said before he'll never play for the Giants again,the Giants can get their money back and not take a cap hit,he'll be traded to some team...the Raiders ...for a #412th pick in 2020(lol)

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[quote=jamf;506477]Bloomberg came out and said there will be no exceptions made for Plex.

BTW, If Pierce took the gun and hid it, He should be charged with possession of an illegal firearm and suspended by the league.[/quote]

Yeah, when the Mayor of NYC comes out and basically says "we're gonna make an example out of you," it doesn't boad well for your freedom. He's effed in the A.

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[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/sports/football/02burress.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=sports"]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/sports/football/02burress.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=sports[/URL]

Good link to the timeline. Article says he was with two other players.

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[quote=Skins_FanFL;506558][URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/02/sports/football/02burress.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ref=sports[/URL]

Good link to the timeline. Article says he was with two other players.[/quote]
Old news ,AP and Bradshaw.

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[quote=GMScud;506551]Yeah, when the Mayor of NYC comes out and basically says "we're gonna make an example out of you," it doesn't boad well for your freedom. He's effed in the A.[/quote]


There were some people telling Bloomberg at the time to shut up,all the facts are'nt out yet.Jack Ford was saying he's sure he won't do time.I think that you'll never ever see him again for the Giants and it won't count against the cap.

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[quote=jaytr80;504978]too bad it hit his leg and not his head. These dumb aholes with too much money and not enough brains need to be thinned from the heard![/quote]

And your time here was so short. Nice knowing ya. Or not.