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[quote=jamf;509923]Colt Brennen will be the next redskins coach.[/quote]

That was funny.

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I've been away from the DC area since '98, so maybe I've lost touch, but who the hell is the Examiner anyway. Sounds to me like some clown trying to get some cheap web-hits. I hate articles like this. Who are the "sources", the janitor, JLC, someone with an agenda? Who knows?

"[B]Redskins Park sources[/B] are also pondering if the team’s 1-4 collapse to practically ruin its once sure playoff chances could also claim the coach.
Examiner columnist Rick Snider writes that [B]sources[/B] say Redskins coach Jim Zorn's job hinges on how the team finishes the season. “The honeymoon is definitely over,” said [B]one team insider[/B] of Redskins owner Dan Snyder and Zorn."

IMO this is all pure crap. Firing Zorn would be the absolute worst thing Snyder could do. He would be "Al Davis East" if he lets Zorn go after what should be considered a successful season with what Zorn and Blache had to work with. I think Buges and Hixon will probably be replaced but Zorn, Blache and their people will stay.

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[quote=firstdown;509917]I don't know if I'd call this a playoff team last year rather a team that happened to make the playoffs.[/quote]

??????????? :doh:




I am very disappointed with Zorn's play calling, utilization of personnel, clock management and decision making but dont think he should be fired. I think a lot of things from this article were taking out of context also.

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Wow. What else is new...

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Snyder is a f'ing idiot if he ditches Zorn after one year. If that's the case, Jason Campbell was cursed to have been drafted by this franchise. A fourth offensive system in five years is Snyder's way to groom a QB.

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[quote=Giantone;509930]With Cowher going to Cleveland who would you get?[/quote]



[url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07175/796764-87.stm]Say it ain't so, Bill ... How dare Cowher talk to Cleveland[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;509924]A playoff team and a 6th seed that barely got in and went home after one game. We could have VERY easily been 7-9 or worse last year. Rackers kick goes in and we're done. Dallas didn't need the last game of the year so they laid down for us. Yes we can bitch about certain guys not being used correctly but firing Zorn is not the way to go. Talent wise there is really no difference between the 07 and 08 team. If anything we're worse. Did anyone think we'd be better w/out Sean Taylor? Give Zorn 3 years. I can't believe we're even talking about this.[/quote]


I agree with you but I still think Danny hired Zorn becasue he is small potatoes, who cares if Zorn is fired in a year he was lucky to be there (Danny's attuide). I think Danny has him on a one year interview make a big splash you can stay if not I will go after the sexy high profile couch (Cowher). Does this not sound like something Danny would do or has done?

Here is somethign else I have thought; would it not be great fun to be Dan Synder and sign up for a under cover screen name here? Oh the fun you could have.

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Cowher? Browns? What?!

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Wait until the season is over, before thinking too far ahead. It's about not panicking and to focus in the game of football, especially in low times like this during the season and even in games. I know it's about patience - but I'm thinking about waiting for the last 3 regular season games instead of 3 seasons. This is where Zorn is going to show what he has as a coach - when things seem the lowest. It's fight or flight.

Zorn and the redskins have 3 games to show what they have. If it's more of the same then you really do have to evaluate everything even if it means revamping everything. You don't know if you have the right head coach and great players until the team has really been tested through tough times like this. But deciding whether it's the players or the coaches is another question.

All I know is - it starts at the top with Zorn and Campbell (and/or Portis). If they don't perform well these last 3 games - either of them (between Zorn and Campbell) should be gone, since they are the leaders of the offense. And the offense is the unit that leads a team that is based on the West Coast offensive philosophy, in my mind.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;509935]I've been away from the DC area since '98, so maybe I've lost touch, but who the hell is the Examiner anyway. Sounds to me like some clown trying to get some cheap web-hits. I hate articles like this. Who are the "sources", the janitor, JLC, someone with an agenda? Who knows?

"[B]Redskins Park sources[/B] are also pondering if the team’s 1-4 collapse to practically ruin its once sure playoff chances could also claim the coach.
Examiner columnist Rick Snider writes that [B]sources[/B] say Redskins coach Jim Zorn's job hinges on how the team finishes the season. “The honeymoon is definitely over,” said [B]one team insider[/B] of Redskins owner Dan Snyder and Zorn."

IMO this is all pure crap. Firing Zorn would be the absolute worst thing Snyder could do. He would be "Al Davis East" if he lets Zorn go after what should be considered a successful season with what Zorn and Blache had to work with. I think Buges and Hixon will probably be replaced but Zorn, Blache and their people will stay.[/quote]

Agreed, but Zorn does need to earn back the trust of the locker room, which he has been losing a bit lately. His candor isn't so refreshing anymore

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Please fire him. While I believe Zorn is a good football guy and should have a roll somewhere in the organization, I haven't been overly impressed with anything he's done as a head coach. I think he is what he is, a quaterbacks coach. Draftees Thomas, Kelly, and Davis all have talent that was underutilized and/or not developed. Davis in particular. Zorn said he was dumb, basically. I don't know what the guy scored on the wunderlick test, but this guy was the top tight end coming out of college and a good coach would find a way to get some production out of him.

I think the 6-2 start we had this year was residue from the Gibbs regime. Moreover, we're still pounding Portis into submission and throwing that bubble screen to Santana Moss. We should have come out in the no-huddle offense with 5 wide against Baltimore. Maybe try throwing to setup the run. Cooley made the pro bowl last year, in this offense he has regressed. Sellers has also disappeared in this offense until recently.

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[quote=SmootSmack;509951]Agreed, but Zorn does need to earn back the trust of the locker room, which he has been losing a bit lately. His candor isn't so refreshing anymore[/quote]
All part of learning to be a HC. He comes from a strong coaching tree and he'll adjust. C'mon let's have some Kool-aid...LOL

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[quote=mredskins;509947]Here is somethign else I have thought; would it not be great fun to be Dan Synder and sign up for a under cover screen name here? Oh the fun you could have.[/quote]
I'll bet he's lurking somewhere here.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;509958]All part of learning to be a HC. He comes from a strong coaching tree and he'll adjust. C'mon let's have some Kool-aid...LOL[/quote]

Agreed

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/509960-post8.html[/url]

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;509938]??????????? :doh:




I[B] am very disappointed with Zorn's play calling, utilization of personnel, clock management and decision[/B] making but dont think he should be fired. I think a lot of things from this article were taking out of context also.[/quote]

We could've said the same things about Gibbs. No way in hell was he getting fired.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;509935]I've been away from the DC area since '98, so maybe I've lost touch, but who the hell is the Examiner anyway. Sounds to me like some clown trying to get some cheap web-hits. I hate articles like this. Who are the "sources", the janitor, [I][U]JLC[/U][/I], someone with an agenda? Who knows?

"[B]Redskins Park sources[/B] are also pondering if the team’s 1-4 collapse to practically ruin its once sure playoff chances could also claim the coach.
Examiner columnist Rick Snider writes that [B]sources[/B] say Redskins coach Jim Zorn's job hinges on how the team finishes the season. “The honeymoon is definitely over,” said [B]one team insider[/B] of Redskins owner Dan Snyder and Zorn."

IMO this is all pure crap. Firing Zorn would be the absolute worst thing Snyder could do. He would be "Al Davis East" if he lets Zorn go after what should be considered a successful season with what Zorn and Blache had to work with. I think Buges and Hixon will probably be replaced but Zorn, Blache and their people will stay.[/quote]

The sources gotta be JLC. JZ/DS gotta be shaking their heads about rumors and people trying to stir the pot

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[quote=SmootSmack;509888]Take what Rick Snider says with a grain of salt. He has pretty openly stated in the past that he looks for ways to make Snyder look bad (he's much worse than JLC in this regard).

Another insider says Snyder and some players are upset that Zorn hasn't taken as much blame (even if it's not necessarily his fault) the way Gibbs used to do. But he's likely to get at least one more year with the team. But there could be massive changes with the rest of the staff.[/quote]I think there needs to be major changes with the rest of the staff. Zorn needs to delegate responsibilities better, but he also needs to do so with coaches he trusts more. Basically, it seems like anyway, that Zorn gives 110% in preparation every week, but whatever facet of the game he overlooks we simply get outcoached in.

I think that the assistants need to do a better job, or if they aren't allowed to do anything, save Snyder the costs.

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One, I think the rumor is nonsense. Two, if it is true, who in the hell would ever want to coach here? Maybe Jim Fassel. Is that what folks want? NO way a good coach comes here to have his reputation ruined.

These last three are crucial for the team and for Zorn. Really a pity that this is just when Samuels goes down. Yes, the offense has been weak. But we've played Pitt, Balt., NY giants, and Dallas. All have good Ds, and really Balt and Pitt are the top, IMO. Let's see how we fare against Cincy before we condemn Zorn and his system to the flames!

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:doh: what has happened to the new long time mindset?

has anyone heard the VC show, I am sure fans are calling him asking about it and CP's comments.

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[quote=GTripp0012;509988]I think there needs to be major changes with the rest of the staff. Zorn needs to delegate responsibilities better, but he also needs to do so with coaches he trusts more. Basically, it seems like anyway, that Zorn gives 110% in preparation every week, but whatever facet of the game he overlooks we simply get outcoached in.

I think that the assistants need to do a better job, or if they aren't allowed to do anything, save Snyder the costs.[/quote]

I would start with a new Special Teams coach, promote Jerry Gray to DC and let Blache retire, also replace Hixon.

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[quote=Schneed10;509874]UGH. I hate stories like this because it can start huge internet rumors that are often entirely unfounded.

And then even worse, if the story actually does turn out to have any merit at all, it means we could be starting over yet again.

I just don't want to think about it, either way. I'm going to close my eyes and wish real hard that I never read this.[/quote]

im with you on this fluffed up op-ed piece, people will read it and assume as fact that zorn's job is in jeopardy.

title of the article: Is Zorns Job In Jeopardy?

only quote from "inside" source: "the honeymoon is over . . "

I should write an article titled "Is Romo Gay?" then quote a random gay person as saying "Romo is so hot!". about the same backing as this article from the DC Examiner, guess they dont mind misleading articles as long as it gets their name out there, which it did. its posted here and where talking about it.

f'in lame on their part.

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[quote=firstdown;509917]I don't know if I'd call this a playoff team last year rather a team that happened to make the playoffs.[/quote]

LOL...exactly!
And what about all our late season injuries we are accruing?? Oh! That's Zorn's fault too!?? They could directly correlate why we may lose 3 outta the next 4 games. Zorn can only control so much. This is ridiculous.

And please for the love of God....let's not start the Cowher talk again. The guy will never work for a sniffling little corporate mental machine that is Dan Snyder.

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[quote=over the mountain;510000]im with you on this fluffed up op-ed piece, people will read it and assume as fact that zorn's job is in jeopardy.

title of the article: Is Zorns Job In Jeopardy?

only quote from "inside" source: "the honeymoon is over . . "

I should write an article titled "Is Romo Gay?" then quote a random gay person as saying "Romo is so hot!". about the same backing as this article from the DC Examiner, guess they dont mind misleading articles as long as it gets their name out there, which it did. its posted here and where talking about it.

f'in lame on their part.[/quote]
My honey moon was over the day we got back from Mexico good thing the bar was well stocked and has been ever sense.

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Firing the coach is not going to get our lines to play better.

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[quote=Takeuon;510007]LOL...exactly!
And what about all our late season injuries we are accruing?? Oh! That's Zorn's fault too!?? They could directly correlate why we may lose 3 outta the next 4 games. Zorn can only control so much. This is ridiculous.

And please for the love of God....let's not start the Cowher talk again. The guy will never work for a sniffling little corporate mental machine that is Dan Snyder.[/quote]
You're kidding right? Ever team deals with injuries, and it's the coaches job to adjust properly and deal with those injuries. What did Zorn think he was going to make it through a whole season without any injuries?

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[quote=skinsfan69;509924]A playoff team and a 6th seed that barely got in and went home after one game. We could have VERY easily been 7-9 or worse last year. Rackers kick goes in and we're done. Dallas didn't need the last game of the year so they laid down for us. Yes we can bitch about certain guys not being used correctly but firing Zorn is not the way to go. Talent wise there is really no difference between the 07 and 08 team. If anything we're worse. Did anyone think we'd be better w/out Sean Taylor? Give Zorn 3 years. I can't believe we're even talking about this.[/quote]

I completely agree. Add to this the fact that the team's current Achilles' heel--the offense--wasn't exactly a juggernaut last year either. We were 20th in points scored, 15th in yards gained, and how much did we upgrade? Three second round picks, and the overall lack of contribution of those picks looks to be a lot more the fault of Cerrato's than Zorn's. And as much as I hate to even acknowledge the possibility of Zorn being fired and replaced by Cowher, keep in mind that Cowher's specialty is defense.

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[quote=over the mountain;510000]im with you on this fluffed up op-ed piece, people will read it and assume as fact that zorn's job is in jeopardy.

title of the article: Is Zorns Job In Jeopardy?

only quote from "inside" source: "the honeymoon is over . . "

I should write an article titled "Is Romo Gay?" then quote a random gay person as saying "Romo is so hot!". about the same backing as this article from the DC Examiner, guess they dont mind misleading articles as long as it gets their name out there, which it did. its posted here and where talking about it.

f'in lame on their part.[/quote]

GREAT post.

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[quote=GMScud;510016]GREAT post.[/quote]
Zorn should def be fired and i should take his place.I call the game better than him every sunday and I could have made a great qb out of Patrick Ramseyand I have the same amout of head coaching experience as Zorn.Does anybody know where I can submit my application?

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Please, please please be crap.
If Cowher had come to the Skins in January we'd be looking at an even worse record now (unless his clout could have talked VC out of drafting 3 receivers). Cowher won one SB in 14 years with a 12-9 playoff record. Plus it took him 13 years to win the SB which Snyder would never be patient enough for. His two SB years he rode Dick Lebeau's defense. This guy is not the answer!
Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of wins Zorn got out of the talent currently on the team.

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[quote=rypper11;510024]Please, please please be crap.
If Cowher had come to the Skins in January we'd be looking at an even worse record now (unless his clout could have talked VC out of drafting 3 receivers). Cowher won one SB in 14 years with a 12-9 playoff record. Plus it took him 13 years to win the SB which Snyder would never be patient enough for. His two SB years he rode Dick Lebeau's defense. This guy is not the answer!
Frankly, I'm amazed at the number of wins Zorn got out of the talent currently on the team.[/quote]

Cowher=Schottenheimer

Actually Cowher is a little bit better due to superbowl win. But he's not going to be the solution.

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If Zorn is canned after one year... I am officially not a Skin's fan. I will burn my gear.

I swear.

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No coach will succeed here until th talent evaluation improves, which means Cerrato has to go. He is on record as saying he doesn't like drafting lineman, he would rather 'get' them after they have proven themselves. Well, by the time we get them, the are the Bruce Smith's and Jason Taylor's of the world.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;510031]If Zorn is canned after one year... I am officially not a Skin's fan. I will burn my gear.

I swear.[/quote]

If he does get fired I will most likely become a casual fan. There is no way I would be able to stomach loving something I don't believe in.

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I'll be the 1st to say....i'm all for Bill Cowher. He's a proven winner. His teams always had great defenses and a great running game. He'll build our lines properly not just plugging the holes. Yeah our offense would be alittle boring but i want to ****ing win.
Listen, I like Zorn but not as a head coach. Hes great as a Qb coach but not HC.
I just don't want to waste 3 to 4 years seeing if Zorn pans out. Sweep this season under the rug hire Bill cut Suisham and we're going to the Superbowl...easy as that :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;509988]I think there needs to be major changes with the rest of the staff. Zorn needs to delegate responsibilities better, but he also needs to do so with coaches he trusts more. Basically, it seems like anyway, that Zorn gives 110% in preparation every week, but whatever facet of the game he overlooks we simply get outcoached in.

I think that the assistants need to do a better job, or if they aren't allowed to do anything, save Snyder the costs.[/quote]

I think Blache and Bugel will almost definitely retire (remember Blache wanted to at the end of last season). Hixon, Smith, and probably Palermo will be let go. Gray will move up to DC. Olivadotti will take over the line or possibly special teams. Jim Lind comes over from the Seahawks to take over Buge's spot.

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[quote=hooskins;510033]If he does get fired I will most likely become a casual fan. There is no way I would be able to stomach loving something I don't believe in.[/quote]

Exactly.... not worth the investment.

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[quote=hooskins;510033]If he does get fired I will most likely become a casual fan. There is no way I would be able to stomach loving something I don't believe in.[/quote]

But on a weekly basis the team does things we don't believe in, yet we still love them. No? I mean I don't believe they should have drafted Fred Davis, I don't believe Jansen should be starting anymore, I don't believe they should have had Suisham attempt that 48 yarder the other day...

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Here is how you will know if there is a REAL problem with Zorn keeping his job:

When you start to read in the papers and hear on radio/TV that sources inside Redskin HQS say that Zorn is hard to get along with or that Zorn is not communicating well with some other department in Redskins Inc., then he's gonzo.

That is the Redskin Way. Until you hear that, these are rumors stirred up by low level sources. When you hear the "not communicating" or hard to get along with" kind of stuff, that's from the top.

If - - I said IF - - Zorn goes, look forward to another January like last year when people get run in and out of here for interviews and all eyes are on what Danny Boy is thinking now and what he will do next. If he cant' have a team in the playoffs, then he can be "the story" in January.

Stay tuned - - it's just starting to get interesting.

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Even if we lose out and go 7-9, Zorn still should have a job next year. This is stupid, even as great a coach JG is, he went 6-10 his first year back, 8-8 (albeit after an 0-5 start) in his first year. Give Zorn some time, the personnel the JG put in place may be wrong for Zorn's offense. To call the offensive line bad is an understatement, Blache being a defensive line coach before should be able to get some pressure--another problem. If Clinton has such a big mouth, he deserves to be benched, he's injured no point in putting an early end to his career. We saw glimpses of what Devin Thomas can do--catch, so its not that bad. Remember when we fired Marty early? I thinks its too early to be calling for Zorn's head, give him at least another year if not more... great teams aren't born overnight or over an offseason... it takes time!

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Why in the world would Cowher want to come here now, especially if Zorn is getting shit-canned after just one year and the same thing happened to Marty? Why would a coach with a good rep ever get near this place? Makes no sense at all. It's not like we look so good that a coach can just walk in and win. You've got serious troubles on both lines. Plus, you've got a prima donna RB mouthing off in the media. And you've Vinny and Danny. Sure, the money would be good, but my guess is that's not enough for a coach like Cowher who's going to get big money wherever he goes. A few extra mil is not going to make a difference.

(I agree that the rumor is a BS piece by someone with a grudge. Plus, the one quote is basically a truism: of course the friggin honeymoon is over! We've lost 4 out of the last 5! Our offense is pathetic! Great story...:doh: )