Re: Portis
 

Betts put up the same type of numbers when Portis was hurt. Portis is not a playmaker. He is good and you can't argue with his numbers but he is not even the 3rd best back in the NFC East.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=PretzelBoy;512353]Betts put up the same type of numbers when Portis was hurt. Portis is not a playmaker. He is good and you can't argue with his numbers but he is not even the 3rd best back in the NFC East.[/quote]

hes not better than Clinton. YOU KNOW IT! if you dont, you just dont see the big picture.

Re: Portis
 

my question is not that Portis is washed up...or the problem! the question sould be whether Portis should be the main focus of the offense! It seems the rest of the team leans on Portis to much! For most of the season he has answered the call. But I think it is limiting the growth of JC and the offense. Around the league I see many offense that go out and win games while here we pass the buck...maybe the defense can...maybe moss can return the kick! I was at the game and did not see a route more than 20 yards down the field...I was looking for it.

Re: Portis
 

lol i think the responses in this thread prove what the OP was trying to figure out: do skins fans give portis a free pass? the answer is a resounding YES!! portis has never ekked 1 sentence of public criticism of this team 3 years ago aobut gibbs . .oh wait i mean when he threw his O line under the bus this year after 1 game . . oh wait, no i meant this past week about zorn b/c zorn said in response to why portis wasnt used "he didnt practice and betts did and knew the passing schemes we wanted to use".

also your right, no RB over the past 5 years could average less than 4 yards a carry behind our O line b/c samuels, thomas, jansen others have always sucked. they werent a big part of his 1500 yard season nor were they any help in making CP the leading rusher half way thru this season.

runningbacks are a dime a dozen, most easy position to fill, but to the people who think there arent 20 other rb in the league who couldnt do what CP has done or better are stupid *&^$ing idiots. (j/k about "idiot" part)

go skins!!

Re: Portis
 

CP doesn't get a free pass, just stop.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512316]If I am paying an RB $20 mil he better be able to break some long runs, make guys miss, and stay on his feet in the open field. Like over the moutain said, "He only gets the yards his o-line creates for him. He rarely makes plays.[/quote]

Do you really actually watch the games or just say you watch?

Re: Portis
 

So much hate..... take off your rose colored glasses about Portis. He has rushed for 1500+ yards once as a Skin. His avg per rush is average at best. Again, I am not a Portis hater, I just don't think he is a great back. He is probably the 4th best RB in the NFC east! If you are a Skins fan and have watched every game over the past 5 years ask your self the following questions

1. How many 30+ runs has CP had?
2. How many times does he just fall over in the open field when he has the chance to break a long run?
3. How many times does he make a defender miss in space
4. How many times has Portis been stopped on 3rd and 1 or at the goal line?

Its easy to just call me stupid and an idiot, but can you really argue with my points? I would love to hear legit opinions.

I'm talking about his Redskins career as a whole...not just this season. This is probably his best year (especially the first 7 games). I will also admit that his numbers are impressive, he is just missing "something" IMO.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=PretzelBoy;512353]Betts put up the same type of numbers when Portis was hurt. Portis is not a playmaker. He is good and you can't argue with his numbers but he is not even the 3rd best back in the NFC East.[/quote]
I guess we don't have any type of test for people to join this site.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=firstdown;512370]Do you really actually watch the games or just say you watch?[/quote]

I watch every single game... without rose colored glasses.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=PretzelBoy;512353]Betts put up the same type of numbers when Portis was hurt. Portis is not a playmaker. He is good and you can't argue with his numbers but he is not even the 3rd best back in the NFC East.[/quote]

I agree.... 100%

Re: Portis
 

[quote=firstdown;512372]I guess we don't have any type of test for people to join this site.[/quote]

Its easy to just say "you are stupid" when someone says something you disagree with. At least back up your statement with an arguement.

Do you think CP breaks long runs?
Do you think he is good in short yardage?
Do you think he ever makes defenders miss in space?
Do you think he falls down on his own way to much?

He gets the yardage...but he is far from elite. Elite backs do the things I llisted above.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=mheisig;512314]Don't take this personally, but how ****ing stupid are you?

On second thought, DO take that personally.

Portis led the league in rushing up until a couple of weeks ago, is averaging 4.6 YPC and 95 yds/game. Anyone complaining about his production is a ****ing idiot.[/quote]

Easy dude, no need to get upset about an opinion.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=Miller101;512264]This thread is angry! People who post here are angry! People who read posts here become angry! And now I'm angry! I don't know why, but I'm angry![/quote]

AHAHAHAHAH!

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512376]Its easy to just say "you are stupid" when someone says something you disagree with. At least back up your statement with an arguement.

Do you think CP breaks long runs?
Do you think he is good in short yardage?
Do you think he ever makes defenders miss in space?
Do you think he falls down on his own way to much?

He gets the yardage...but he is far from elite. Elite backs do the things I llisted above.[/quote]
OK Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes. Portis is not going to out run people in open space but other then that he is a great back. Take a runner like Bush and he is great when he breaks out in the open field but he he cannot bust things open on his own. He might have a couple of big plays but he does not produce play after play.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512371]So much hate..... take off your rose colored glasses about Portis. He has rushed for 1500+ yards once as a Skin. His avg per rush is average at best. Again, I am not a Portis hater, I just don't think he is a great back. He is probably the 4th best RB in the NFC east! If you are a Skins fan and have watched every game over the past 5 years ask your self the following questions

1. How many 30+ runs has CP had?
2. How many times does he just fall over in the open field when he has the chance to break a long run?
3. How many times does he make a defender miss in space
4. How many times has Portis been stopped on 3rd and 1 or at the goal line?

[B]Its easy to just call me stupid and an idiot[/B], but can you really argue with my points? I would love to hear legit opinions.

I'm talking about his Redskins career as a whole...not just this season. This is probably his best year (especially the first 7 games). I will also admit that his numbers are impressive, he is just missing "something" IMO.[/quote]

You are stupid and an idiot.

Hey it easy !!! (doesn't accomplish much but it is easy)
[/Sarcasm]

Re: Portis
 

Now why would any Skins fan be angry? Oh no now the fan base is falling apart!! Let's continue to respect each others opinions and perceptions. It's obvious nobody including the Redskins can figure this mess out. Can't we all just get along?

Never mind I'm pissed too!!!!!!

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512371]He has rushed for 1500+ yards once as a Skin. His avg per rush is average at best. [/quote]
His average yards per rush this year is 12th overall in the NFL. His yards per game is 95, 3rd in the league. Hardly average.

[quote]Again, I am not a Portis hater, I just don't think he is a great back. He is probably the 4th best RB in the NFC east![/quote]
I agree he is not a great back, but a very good back. I'd rather have him than Westbrook, Barber or Ward (I would love to see Jacobs in "maroon & black" tho).

[quote] If you are a Skins fan and have watched every game over the past 5 years ask your self the following questions

1. How many 30+ runs has CP had?
2. How many times does he just fall over in the open field when he has the chance to break a long run?
3. How many times does he make a defender miss in space
4. How many times has Portis been stopped on 3rd and 1 or at the goal line?
[/quote]
Sorry don't have them all DVR'd and my memory isn't that great.
1. Portis is not a "HR hitter" type back anymore. He also doesn't have WRs who block very well (outside of Thrash) allowing for long TD runs to be broken. He's an excellent all-around back, he's gotten bigger & stronger to go between the tackles better, he can catch out of the backfield, he pass-pros well.
2. Not many I recall.
3. Frequently, more so in the check-down passing game or on screens.
4. Goal line, not so much. 3rd & short, that was an issue early in his time here, but he's bulked up and I don't think this is as much of an issue now. I would like a Brandon Jacobs type back to compliment him. Unfortunately Duckett wasn't the answer.

My problem with Portis is his mouth and stamina. No way a featured back heads to the sideline inside the 20 unless he's hurt. I wouldn't categorize this as "sucking wind" after one or two runs, but he needs to finish drives.

Re: Portis
 

Bottom line guys if Portis stayed healthy he would be the NFL leading rusher.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=firstdown;512382]OK Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes. Portis is not going to out run people in open space but other then that he is a great back. Take a runner like Bush and he is great when he breaks out in the open field but he he cannot bust things open on his own. He might have a couple of big plays but he does not produce play after play.[/quote]

Bush sucks as a pro RB. Not a good comparison.

Re: Portis
 

portis is a top 5 back. he makes a ton of defenders miss. its just that its usually behind the line of scrimmage, just trying to get into the hole. lets face it. our offensive line is just that, offensive. you name me one more complete back in this league. its really hard to do, isn't it?

Re: Portis
 

[quote=dmek25;512391]portis is a top 5 back. he makes a ton of defenders miss. its just that its usually behind the line of scrimmage, just trying to get into the hole. lets face it. our offensive line is just that, offensive. you name me one more complete back in this league. its really hard to do, isn't it?[/quote]

AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.

Re: Portis
 

This is still going? :doh:

Re: Portis
 

^^^ thats b/c backs who take on all facets of the game get pounded on and dont stick around to long after the 3-4 years they are the featured back. terrell davis, jamal anderson, jamal lewis, marshall faulk, edgerrin james, even LT is showing some slowing down. hell shaun alexander was an MVP 2 years ago worth big bucks is now out of the league.

point is, premier backs (which CP is) do not last long after a good 3-4 years of pounding. i could keep adding names to my list of guys who came out blazing for a 3-4 period carrying their team (just like CP has the past 3-4 years here) but they all break down and fall off after that window of performance and team reliance in their game plan.

im sure the colts fans didnt agree with the dropping of the edge as he was still relatively young, fun to watch, and still had productive years ahead of him but the colts (a perennial power house with good management) knew better, took the fan disappointment and went to the SB!! no, joseph addai is not as good as the edge back when he was with the Colts but thats the point. you get these thorough bread stud RBs and run them hard then let them go to graise somewhere else. Is joseph addai a better play this year and last year than the edge is in arizona? are we now starting to realize you guys are right when you say its a good thing fans dont run the skins? unfortunatley you get your way with CP and his contract. great player, thanks for the strong hard running 5 years but we are going to find a younger you.

runningbacks are like prostitutes; you pay em, pound em hard then get yourself out of there. problem is we married ours.

sorry for the offensive terminology . . .

go skins!!

(post in response to "all facets" post, not you sheriff gonna getcha, sorry and ill stop posting on this subject, i cant say anymore really)

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512398]AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.[/quote]

first off without Jacobs the Giants look no better than the Redskins against the Cowboys. So that says a lot when your talking about a great team like the Giants to be effected in such a negative way without there running back. I think the Skins suffer similarly without a healthy Portis.

As far as Westbrook. Same thing. When he is healthy Eagles win.

But the fact remains Portis had more yards then all of them individually before his injuries caught up with him.

Again if Portis remained healthy he would be the league top rusher and probably in line for MVP.

We can't win without Portis.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=44ever;512407]first off without Jacobs the Giants look no better than the Redskins against the Cowboys. So that says a lot when your talking about a great team like the Giants to be effected in such a negative way without there running back. I think the Skins suffer similarly without a healthy Portis.

As far as Westbrook. Same thing. When he is healthy Eagles win.

But the fact remains Portis had more yards then all of them individually before his injuries caught up with him.

Again if Portis remained healthy he would be the league top rusher and probably in line for MVP.

We can't win without Portis.[/quote]
Is it that Jacob's missing that is hurting their game or the fact that teams don't have to have two players covering Plax. The NFL network did a piece on this and they showed how teams have changed their D scheme against the Giants without plax.

Re: Portis
 

Anyone who thinks Portis is average....You answer this? Does Portis get the job done ? Does he get the job done well?!!!!! Does he consistently lead the nfl in rushing when healthy? When you think of offensive leader and playmaker on this team, does he cross your mind? Geesh. Some people are so critical! He is not perfect but he sure is DAMN GOOD!

Re: Portis
 

[quote=firstdown;512410]Is it that Jacob's missing that is hurting their game or the fact that teams don't have to have two players covering Plax. The NFL network did a piece on this and they showed how teams have changed their D scheme against the Giants without plax.[/quote]

I think it's fair to say Plax is hurting the Giants but Jacobs seems to make it or break it for them. Portis is not only our running back but a team leader as well. I think Zorn didn't know how to recover when he lost the luxury of a solid Portis game.(s) He and his team where leaning to heavily on Portis. I think it's fair to give Zorn a offseason to regroup. Institute his offence. Keep all our same personnel but pick up some linemen on both sides. And keep Portis!

Re: Portis
 

This thread makes me lolz my AO.

Retarded!!!

Re: Portis
 

Why weren't you saying this when the Skins were 6-2 and Portis was leading the league in rushing? Are you sure it's not just the 1-5 record over the last 6 games talking?

Re: Portis
 

Man if we get aye new rebulid offense of line then u will see the leading rusher again this next season.. We just need to rebulid that o line then he will be able to break long runs.. He always got to break threw 2 tackles before he gets 7 yards.. Man its not his fought its the o line we cant pass cause the oline if we upgrade that old dusty o line and watch how we thrive next year

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30]When is this guy going to stop getting a pass for his lack of production?

JC gets hammered for being mediocre, Portis is nothing but a mediorce RB in my eyes. No balance, no ability to make guys miss in the open field, no ability to hit the homerun, horrible in short yardage....bottom line he isn't a PLAYMAKER.

Jason La Canfora has an article out that in Portis's last 266 caries he doesn't have a carry over 30 yards.... that is a shocking stat IMO.

Added to all this is the fact that he is a semi-cancer in the locker room.

I don't understand why this guy gets a pass while JC gets hammered constantly.[/quote]
I honestly think it's hard to be a mediocre RB in the league and put up the numbers that Portis has...at 27, he has over 9000 rushing yards (7th active list, 28th overall) and 70 TDs (4th active list, 27th overall), averaging 92.4 yards/game (2nd active, 5th overall).

Even with his recent struggles (393 yards, 0 TDs in the past 6 games, vs. 944, 7 TDs in the first 8), he's still 3rd in rushing yards in the NFL. The problem is, the rest of the offense isn't producing either. So if Portis doesn't get a pass for his lack of production, neither does anyone else. His own injuries have hampered him, as well as a stagnant offense that cannot produce. Throw in an offensive line that has fallen apart in front of our eyes, and backup RBs that cannot come close to shouldering the load when Portis isn't in the game (this season at least. Betts has proved before that he can), and you have a recipe for disaster.

As far as JLC's fact...it's not true. Granted, the truth isn't too far, but he does have at least 2 runs of 30+ this season in 291 carries (source: NFL.com game logs). However, it wasn't too long ago this season that he carried this team to victory more than once. It's a little harsh to say he's not a playmaker just because his stat sheet isn't filled with long runs. Just ask the Cowboys, Ravens and Bengals. It doesn't take a lot of long runs to get a victory...a string of several in a row can do the trick.

A semi-cancer? It wasn't too long ago that the same cat was dressing up as different characters from week to week, trying to boost's the team's morale. I think the outburst from him last week was frustration from the fact that he's hurt, and the team is losing, and he can't get his pockets straight. I don't condone his actions, in fact, if he had beef, it should have been face to face with Zorn, and not on the John Thompson Show. But calling him a semi-cancer, when this team clearly feeds off of him? I think it's far-fetched.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=over the mountain;512401]^^^ thats b/c backs who take on all facets of the game get pounded on and dont stick around to long after the 3-4 years they are the featured back. terrell davis, jamal anderson, jamal lewis, marshall faulk, edgerrin james, even LT is showing some slowing down. hell shaun alexander was an MVP 2 years ago worth big bucks is now out of the league.

point is, premier backs (which CP is) do not last long after a good 3-4 years of pounding. i could keep adding names to my list of guys who came out blazing for a 3-4 period carrying their team (just like CP has the past 3-4 years here) but they all break down and fall off after that window of performance and team reliance in their game plan.

im sure the colts fans didnt agree with the dropping of the edge as he was still relatively young, fun to watch, and still had productive years ahead of him but the colts (a perennial power house with good management) knew better, took the fan disappointment and went to the SB!! no, joseph addai is not as good as the edge back when he was with the Colts but thats the point. you get these thorough bread stud RBs and run them hard then let them go to graise somewhere else. Is joseph addai a better play this year and last year than the edge is in arizona? are we now starting to realize you guys are right when you say its a good thing fans dont run the skins? unfortunatley you get your way with CP and his contract. great player, thanks for the strong hard running 5 years but we are going to find a younger you.

runningbacks are like prostitutes; you pay em, pound em hard then get yourself out of there. [B]problem is we married ours.[/B]

sorry for the offensive terminology . . .

go skins!!

(post in response to "all facets" post, not you sheriff gonna getcha, sorry and ill stop posting on this subject, i cant say anymore really)[/quote]

And a lot of us know how expensive divorce can be. :( However good Portis is, we need a lot more than an elite running back on this team. If we could trade him for a couple of good linemen I would do it in a heartbeat. I think it is the position itself that is overvalued. I don't see the Chargers or the Vikings tearing up the league, and who were the Patriots running backs when they were winning Super Bowls? The Colts won. Is Joesph Addai a great running back? Snyder gave Portis too much money for his value to the team. Period.

Re: Portis
 

he's always gotten a free pass,,,gibbs 2.0, now zorn. he's the owner's pet, and he aint goin' nowhere. he's having a decent year, but if you check his numbers with skins, he's had a couple not so great years...i.e. under 4.0 a carry.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;512398]AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.[/quote]


go be a eagles/giants fan then cuz ya blind anyways so it doesnt matter.

Re: Portis
 

Every team that everybody is naming and all the running backs yall naming have good offensive lines let us get one and yall will be back on clinton portis wagon again.. Man i hate fans that like him then dont like him.. Yall suck i hate far weather fans

Re: Portis
 

[quote=thomasfan31;512411]Anyone who thinks Portis is average....You answer this? Does Portis get the job done ? Does he get the job done well?!!!!! Does he consistently lead the nfl in rushing when healthy? When you think of offensive leader and playmaker on this team, does he cross your mind? Geesh. Some people are so critical! He is not perfect but he sure is DAMN GOOD![/quote]

Thats pretty much my point.... He is average, he isn't bad by any stretch, he just isn't a GREAT running back like every one always says. I definitely don't think he sucks. I don't think he has ever lead the league in rushing a Skin though.... not sure.

My main beef with Portis is that he doesn't break any game changing runs and isn't effective in short yardage. (things a great RB does)

My first post somewhat insinuated that I don't think he produces, which is wrong, he definitely produces. But I think Ladell Betts would probably have the same numbers if he got the touches.

Great running backs (ie LT (in his day) Brian Westbrook, AP, etc) always have at least one big play per game. CP not so much.

Let the hate continue.

Re: Portis
 

If every player played their position as well as Portis does we would be unstopable. Definatly in the playoffs. I won't go as far as the Superbowl. But I probably could.

Re: Portis
 

ladell betts sucks always has always will

Re: Portis
 

[quote=RedskinMike;512778]ladell betts sucks always has always will[/quote]

I will always question the desire of a player who willing chose to be a back up.

He could have gotten the same money to start somewhere after 06. Weird. I don't think he sucks though.

Re: Portis
 

[quote=jdot26;512768]Every team that everybody is naming and all the running backs yall naming have good offensive lines let us get one and yall will be back on clinton portis wagon again.. Man i hate fans that like him then dont like him.. Yall suck i hate far weather fans[/quote]

What's a far weather fan? LOL.