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[quote=Mattyk72;513234]I've come to realize that Redskins fans are bipolar. On one had we want the team to build through the draft and be patient, develop our own talent, and stay away from the big name free agents and the big money that goes along with signing these types of players.

But whenever a big name is out there, people fall all over themselves clamoring for the team to sign them.

It's total insanity.[/quote]

What Matty said.

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[quote=Ruhskins;513149]Haynesworth is 27 yrs. old. He's been very productive during the past couple of years. He is in a very good defense, but he is talented. I've only heard of his one incident when he stomped on the Cowpoke, but that's about it. I mean the only big time free agent we got this past season, came from a team that went 1-15 last season and was getting a bit old (Jason Taylor). Haynesworth is a dominant DT in a good team with a dominant defense. I mean if he were to come here and be a bust then well that's just bad luck or our coaching sucks. But this would be a good football move to get a strong DT that can create a good pass rush and disrupt the opponents running play.[/quote]

He will be 28 by the time next season starts. If he was a middle market player (e.g., $5-10M signing bonus), I'd be all for signing the guy. However, I don't think you pay a 28 year old with questionable work habits and character a $20M+ signing bonus. There's WAY too much downside.

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[quote=Beemnseven;513188]See, I tend to think that if we have to choose between a DE or DT, defensive tackle appears to be in better shape -- Golston, Montgomery, and Griffin while not world beaters are decent and can get the job basically done. Then you have Demetric Evans who can play in the middle along with Lorenzo Alexander who can also play.

Our defensive ends, on the other hand are absolutely pathetic and cannot do what they're supposed to do. So if you have to go with one or the other, to me it has to be defensive end.[/quote]

There are two lines of thought on this...either our DE's suck becasue they just suck or it's because our DT's do not get any push and the QB can just step up. It's probably a little of both but we would probably need the coaches tape to break down every snap to determine which it's more of. We do seem to have more servicable DL youth inside though...

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;513261]He will be 28 by the time next season starts. If he was a middle market player (e.g., $5-10M signing bonus), I'd be all for signing the guy. However, I don't think you pay a 28 year old with questionable work habits and character a $20M+ signing bonus. There's WAY too much downside.[/quote]

Yeah, This has Brandon Lloyd written all over it....

Character and work ethics are HUGE red flags.

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^^^^^^Ok is everyones avator now showing their second fav team????

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Andrew Brandt has been a player's agent and has worked in the front office of the Green Bay Packers. He writes an excellent column on the business side of the NFL.


Here is a recent offering on the subject of Albert Haynesworth's impending free agency. Definitely worth reading...



[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/12/hayneworth-a-fortune/]The National Football Post | Hayne$worth A Fortune[/url]

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[quote=steveo395;513107]Do not sign him. This has overpaid free agent bust written all over it. Haven't you guys learned anything? We need to build through the draft.[/quote]
thats what i am talking about.draft draft draft

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Is it a short memory or a inability to learn from our past mistakes. NO WAY!!!!!!! Remember Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson. Dion Sanders or any of the other superstars that wasted our time. I don't care how good a player he is. Once he puts on that burgandy helmet he will morf into junk. Springs? Alexander? Draft!!!!!!

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i'm not completely for or against bringing in haynesworth. but its silly how many skins fans have written off free agency because of past mistakes. we've erred bringing in free agents who are a) too old, b) mediocre/over-rated/not suited for what we do and c) both

albert haynesworth falls into none of those categories. he's young and, at his best, everything he's cracked up to be. he would fill a desperate need. and could help us right away until the end of his contract.

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[quote=J. Spanky;513305]i'm not completely for or against bringing in haynesworth. but its silly how many skins fans have written off free agency because of past mistakes. we've erred bringing in free agents who are a) too old, b) mediocre/over-rated/not suited for what we do and c) both

albert haynesworth falls into none of those categories. he's young and, at his best, everything he's cracked up to be. he would fill a desperate need. and could help us right away until the end of his contract.[/quote]

You make a good point but it does seem that most of the guys we bring over seem to lose their spark when they play for us. I would rather see someone still hungry to prove themself than someone who already has.

Fletcher seems to be one exeption but I think he's still chasing a probowl. Kidding! He's one of the few who love to play for the sake of playing.

But your right about writting off FA I guess it just hasn't worked out for us most of the time. So that's what some of us are afraid of.

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I would not sign him to a long term deal ,,, maybe a 1 yr deal and draft a DE who really gets around the corner . I would rather draft/develope our own , and bring in blue collar overachieving type F/A players .

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[quote=mredskins;513274]^^^^^^Ok is everyones avator now showing their second fav team????[/quote]

I'm just repping them because my cousin plays for them, and the Redskins are out of the playoffs.

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[quote=RobH4413;513327]I'm just repping them because my cousin plays for them, and the Redskins are out of the playoffs.[/quote]

props to Joey on his touchdown by the way

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I am secertly rooting for the Pats, since I grew up in NE. I was born in DC thus why Iam a Skins fan. It is much easier to root for them this year since there is no Tom Brady.

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Thanks Smoot,

I was watching the Redskins game so I didn't get to see it live... then my phone blew up and I ran around my house screaming. Pretty cool stuff.

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My god this guy is one in a million, Although cody could be also. You don't realize how well our secondary has played with no pass-rush to speak of. He's the kind of guy who will make Jason Taylor and Andre Carter great again. And imagin the turnovers with the pressure he could create look at his numbers and he's getting double and triple teamed he's a monster count me in!

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[quote=horse;513332]My god this guy is one in a million, Although cody could be also. You don't realize how well our secondary has played with no pass-rush to speak of. He's the kind of guy who will make Jason Taylor and Andre Carter great again. And imagin the turnovers with the pressure he could create look at his numbers and he's getting double and triple teamed he's a monster count me in![/quote]

I hope you are right but I think Jason Taylor will be gone next year.

:[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/18/jason-taylor-says-hes-not-worth-8-million/]ProFootballTalk.com - JASON TAYLOR SAYS HE’S NOT WORTH $8 MILLION[/url]

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[quote=RobH4413;513327]I'm just repping them because [B]my cousin plays[/B] [B]for them[/B], and the Redskins are out of the playoffs.[/quote]
who would that be?

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[quote=44ever;513300]Is it a short memory or a inability to learn from our past mistakes. NO WAY!!!!!!! Remember Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkinson. Dion Sanders or any of the other superstars that wasted our time. I don't care how good a player he is. Once he puts on that burgandy helmet he will morf into junk. Springs? Alexander? Draft!!!!!![/quote]

Those guys were all done, And Springs has been very good when healthy. This is a guy you don't pass on if you get the chance.

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This would be great ..he's a beast and we need some noise up the middle

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[quote=PretzelBoy;513335]I hope you are right but I think Jason Taylor will be gone next year.

:[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/18/jason-taylor-says-hes-not-worth-8-million/]ProFootballTalk.com - JASON TAYLOR SAYS HE’S NOT WORTH $8 MILLION[/url][/quote]

Welcome to the Warpath PretzelBoy. I don't think I've ever seen that kind of honesty from a player involving his paycheck. Refreshing. And sadly true.

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[quote=horse;513337]Those guys were all done, And Springs has been very good when healthy. This is a guy you don't pass on if you get the chance.[/quote]

For those of you unfamiliar with Turdsworth, let me recount some of his wonderful deeds:

In college, at the University of Tennessee, Turdsworth fought with a teammate. It doesn't end there. He left practice, got a long pole, and returned to practice looking for his "teammate." I don't think he was looking to resolve his differences with his teammate in a dignified manner by jousting.

During Titans training camp, Turdsworth got into a tussle with "teammate" Justin Hartwig, kicked Hartwig in the chest, and had to be restrained by teammates.

During the now infamous Titans-Cowboys game, Turdsworth stomped on Cowboys' center Andre Gurode's face. Gurode needed 30 stitches and Haynesworth narrowly missed Gurode's eye. According to some, Turdsworth actually removed Gurode's helmet and then stomped on Gurode's face. To top it off, when Turdsworth was led off the field, he was yelling at his coach Jeff Fischer for God knows what.

To top it off, Turdsworth has a reputation of being an immensely talented underachiever who didn't produce at a very high level until his contract was about up. His stats back up that reputation. During his first 5 years in the league, Turdsworth averaged less than 2 sacks per season. In the final year of his rookie deal, he racked up contract year, he more than truppled his sack production with 6 sacks. This year, he's got 8.5 sacks.

In my view, the risk of Turdsworth turning out to be a free agent bust is pretty high. But even if he turns out to be an excellent player for some team, we could probably have two guys like Karlos Dansby and Dunta Robinson for the same price. In short, he's not worth the risk or the price.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;513087]Naw, too many good DEs and DTs out this year from the draft. You can get them a lot cheaper in the upper to mid level rounds.[/quote]

but......as we all know.....according to Vinny most drafted players don't contribute untill their second year.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;513367]For those of you unfamiliar with Turdsworth, let me recount some of his wonderful deeds:

In college, at the University of Tennessee, Turdsworth fought with a teammate. It doesn't end there. He left practice, got a long pole, and returned to practice looking for his "teammate." I don't think he was looking to resolve his differences with his teammate in a dignified manner by jousting.

During Titans training camp, Turdsworth got into a tussle with "teammate" Justin Hartwig, kicked Hartwig in the chest, and had to be restrained by teammates.

During the now infamous Titans-Cowboys game, Turdsworth stomped on Cowboys' center Andre Gurode's face. Gurode needed 30 stitches and Haynesworth narrowly missed Gurode's eye. According to some, Turdsworth actually removed Gurode's helmet and then stomped on Gurode's face. To top it off, when Turdsworth was led off the field, he was yelling at his coach Jeff Fischer for God knows what.

To top it off, Turdsworth has a reputation of being an immensely talented underachiever who didn't produce at a very high level until his contract was about up. His stats back up that reputation. During his first 5 years in the league, Turdsworth averaged less than 2 sacks per season. In the final year of his rookie deal, he racked up contract year, he more than truppled his sack production with 6 sacks. This year, he's got 8.5 sacks.

In my view, the risk of Turdsworth turning out to be a free agent bust is pretty high. But even if he turns out to be an excellent player for some team, we could probably have two guys like Karlos Dansby and Dunta Robinson for the same price. In short, he's not worth the risk or the price.[/quote]

This is the kind of stuff that bothers me. Guys that play pretty good until their contract year, and then play like a monster. I think guys like this have a tendancy to settle back down after they get the money they were looking for. Another good point is he will probably end up getting around 10 mil a year. As Sheriff pointed out, we could probably get 2 good young players for the price we would have to pay him. He would'nt be the first player to get a huge deal after a great year and then return to the way he was playing before his contract year. Remember, he was'nt the DOMINANT player everybodys talking about until it was time to cash in. The last thing we need is another high-priced underachiever. Any team that signs him will be taking that chance. If it worked out, great, if not, how much more aggravation can we take?

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no!
this is the classic fa mistake that JLC points out; you sign big $ fa's if your on the verge & they can peek w/the rest of your team. This team is far from that. So what if our D is top 5 statistically; we've all seen it decline recently & there is age at crucial positions. This signing would just take too much $. Not only that, I agree w/those here that question his motivation, work ethic,etc. Pay him & he might be a relative bust.

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Im all for drafting a DT if we do it in the first round. If we draft a OLineman overall then i think we need to make the free agent splash.

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[quote=WaldSkins;513405]Im all for drafting a DT if we do it in the first round. If we draft a OLineman overall then i think we need to make the free agent splash.[/quote]

I agree they should grab an offensive lineman and defensive lineman in the draft and also during free agency.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;513367]For those of you unfamiliar with Turdsworth, let me recount some of his wonderful deeds:

In college, at the University of Tennessee, Turdsworth fought with a teammate. It doesn't end there. He left practice, got a long pole, and returned to practice looking for his "teammate." I don't think he was looking to resolve his differences with his teammate in a dignified manner by jousting.

During Titans training camp, Turdsworth got into a tussle with "teammate" Justin Hartwig, kicked Hartwig in the chest, and had to be restrained by teammates.

During the now infamous Titans-Cowboys game, Turdsworth stomped on Cowboys' center Andre Gurode's face. Gurode needed 30 stitches and Haynesworth narrowly missed Gurode's eye. According to some, Turdsworth actually removed Gurode's helmet and then stomped on Gurode's face. To top it off, when Turdsworth was led off the field, he was yelling at his coach Jeff Fischer for God knows what.

To top it off, Turdsworth has a reputation of being an immensely talented underachiever who didn't produce at a very high level until his contract was about up. His stats back up that reputation. During his first 5 years in the league, Turdsworth averaged less than 2 sacks per season. In the final year of his rookie deal, he racked up contract year, he more than truppled his sack production with 6 sacks. This year, he's got 8.5 sacks.

In my view, the risk of Turdsworth turning out to be a free agent bust is pretty high. But even if he turns out to be an excellent player for some team, we could probably have two guys like Karlos Dansby and Dunta Robinson for the same price. In short, he's not worth the risk or the price.[/quote]

Unfortunately Sheriff brings up a good point. In retrospect bringing in Haynesworth probably isn't the best idea. With that said maybe the best strategy for us during the offseason would be to bring in the top two Panthers (Gross and Peppers) then proceed to draft a DT like Terrance Cody. Either way getting those three players would go a long way towards taking care of our problems up front.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;513209]Anyone who wants this guy is nuts. With the history of FA signings that we have, and players looking at us like the golden goose-get a fat contract then go out and lay an egg; I would keep my arm AND my leg and go get some younger talent, and learn to develop good guys in house.

I keep reading how bad the FO is, because of this bust, or these bad trades, but then free agency appears, and suddenly the best move is grabbing the biggest named player regardless of what the cost. Let's not kid ourselves, if they went and did get Haynesworth, this board would be filled with praise, until the first game he laid an egg, at which point the FO would have been stupid for slamming our salary cap with an expensive and non-producing veteran.[/quote]

There is no definseive lineman on our roster at his caliber. No one this roster who grow to his talent caliber, He is a franchise caliber talent. That is irrefutable, if it wasn't the case he would not have been on the Titans for so long. You should have a mean streak as a lineman. Most say "he may underachieve" or "he takes plays off" they say that about all Fat players in the NFL. They said the Same about Shaun Rodgers last year and now he looks unstoppable this year.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;513433]Most say "he may underachieve" or "he takes plays off" they say that about all Fat players in the NFL. They said the Same about Shaun Rodgers last year and now he looks unstoppable this year.[/quote]

People don't say Pat Williams or Jamal Williams underachieve. People say Rogers and Haynesworth underachieve until it is time for them to earn a paycheck.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;513184]Anyone who doesn't want this guy is nuts. Immediate impact on the line. He is the best defensive lineman in football right now. I'd pay an arm and a leg to get this guy in a skin's uniform. Even if we kept the same pass rush as this year, with hanesworth anchoring the middle the sack total would got up exponentially[/quote]


What he said!

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Then to everyone out there, that dont want Haynesworth.....dont Bitch, don't sit here a blame, Vinny or Danny, and no one wants to hear your whinning, about we are not that good up the middle, the truth is, Haynesworth, is an elite player, we haven't brought in any elite players, has beens, and washed up, he make Carter look like an elite DE, even Taylor if he stays, our Corners get better shots at the ball.....IE, look at their CB, there is a bunch of no names there and because he gets the push up the middle, is why they are jumping routes, I say bid for him, cut the old baggage, (springs, smoot, ARE, Washington, Griffin, maybe even trade Moss in a package with one of the guys that need to be cut loose. get mor Draft picks, put him next to Montgomery, we can then draft more on the Offense side of the line, a couple of OLB. we make our team top 5 with Haynesworth.

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[quote=DarkKnight;513448]Then to everyone out there, that dont want Haynesworth.....dont Bitch, don't sit here a blame, Vinny or Danny, and no one wants to hear your whinning, about we are not that good up the middle, the truth is, Haynesworth, is an elite player, we haven't brought in any elite players, has beens, and washed up, he make Carter look like an elite DE, even Taylor if he stays, our Corners get better shots at the ball.....IE, look at their CB, there is a bunch of no names there and because he gets the push up the middle, is why they are jumping routes, I say bid for him, cut the old baggage, (springs, smoot, ARE, Washington, Griffin, maybe even trade Moss in a package with one of the guys that need to be cut loose. get mor Draft picks, put him next to Montgomery, we can then draft more on the Offense side of the line, a couple of OLB. we make our team top 5 with Haynesworth.[/quote]

Huh? How is Haynesworth going to make the Redskins a top 5 team? Does he play offensive tackle too?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;513451]Huh? How is Haynesworth going to make the Redskins a top 5 team? Does he play offensive tackle too?[/quote]

How did you even understand that?

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[quote=WaldSkins;513455]How did you even understand that?[/quote]

I didn't understand anything but the last phrase of the post. That sentence "ran on" like Forrest Gump.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;513457]I didn't understand anything but the last phrase of the post. That sentence "ran on" like Forrest Gump.[/quote]

How bout this..........you like being a under acheving team.....keep what we got....dont sign any player from FA, and draft with we go this year...., and build the team from their, since you wanna be so pacticular.......I just love you keyboard warriors......your ass just so smart and tough behind your computer.......

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[quote=DarkKnight;513466]How bout this..........you like being a under acheving team.....keep what we got....dont sign any player from FA, and draft with we go this year...., and build the team from their, since you wanna be so pacticular.......I just love you keyboard warriors......your ass just so smart and tough behind your computer.......[/quote]

When did I say we should stay put during free agency? I think we should go after Karlos Dansby and Terrell Suggs, both of whom will cost a pretty penny. I think that's far more advisable than signing Haynesworth, switching to a 3-4, and having Jason Taylor and Andre Carter line up as DEs in that 3-4 alignment as you propose.

PS - You shouldn't talk tough on the internet and then proceed to blast others for talking tough on the internet. But thank you for recognizing that I am one kick-ass individual.

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Signing Haynesworth is NOT the answer. We need to rebuild our O-Line. And while we need to strengthen our pass rush so that QBs dont have time to take a dump before they throw, Haynesworth will be entirely too expensive and is not worth the money in our situation. We need more than one piece.

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I think we can all agree we should make an offer or Haynesworth. The question is at what price. I am [B]not[/B] willing to pay the guy a riduculous deal and the does nothing but sits his fat a.. on the d line and does nothing but kick people in the face. That said I think we should make a standard 5 yr 35 mil w/ a 12 mil bonus and if he doesn't take it screw him.

:cool-smil

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[quote=CrackBack;513482]Signing Haynesworth is NOT the answer. We need to rebuild our O-Line. And while we need to strengthen our pass rush so that QBs dont have time to take a dump before they throw, Haynesworth will be entirely too expensive and is not worth the money in our situation. We need more than one piece.[/quote]I couldn't agree more. We have many areas to address, and committing huge money to one player will lead to neglect in other areas. I want to see us build through the draft and modest free agent signings that don't break the bank.