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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;520505]We all remember Warrick Holdman.[/quote]

:doh: I remember and still don't understand why.

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Honestly I think this is a great pairing. G-Will might be just the guy to take that underachieving unit and turn it into something good. He's already got a nice pair of bookends in Will Smith and Charles Grant (even though they underachieved last season), he's got a young guy in Sedrick Ellis who is supposed to be an up and comer, and with Vilma at mike and a pretty decent linebacking corps all he has to do is fix up the secondary and they should be a pretty good defensive team. I wouldn't be suprised if he had that defense turned around next season.

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[quote=Schneed10;520491]Wow. Combine his attack style with Brees and that offense, and that team could be VERY dangerous in two years. They're already competitive now on the strength of the offense alone.[/quote]

Yea I thought it was stupid of the Jags to let him go. No team picks up his defense any sooner then 2 yrs and they usually suck the first yr. They will be a great team in 2 yrs so long as the offense can last that long.

Kinda had a small sincere soft spot for the gold helmet's and crosses. LOL. I always felt like they were the Lions. Good to see they have over come their losing yrs.

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I'm curious? Why the hell did he get fired in Washington? No one has been able to explain that to me? We were a defensive team centered around the run while he was here, he had for the most part a good record, and the players liked him and respected him.
With consistency being important for our team why did Dan not hire him for the head coach and bring in Z? I liked Greg Williams especially when he chewed out mister "I didn't make any mistakes" for fumbling the football.
I like Z but I think we'd be a better team if GW was the head coach now IMO. If anything Z could've been brought in as the Offensive coordinator and GW could've been HC?
Stick with what's working and try to improve what isn't? That's just me. I try to make things simple and easy to understand.

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Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

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[quote=Defensewins;521198]Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.[/quote]

I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.

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[quote=The Goat;521201]I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

[b]While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. [/b] Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.[/quote]
You know, I was never really a Grilliams guy and never thought much of him as a HC 'replacement' but that being said I think you could be right or at least if there was a 'two year' ultimatum in place as rumored, he and Saunders should have had that two years to build off of their existing work and then blow it up if it didn't sustain or improve.

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[quote=Defensewins;521198]Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.[/quote]

And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.

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[quote=The Goat;521201]I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. [B] In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. [/B] It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.[/quote]

You bring up a good point. While Snyder is not as bad as someone like Al Davis, Snyder does turn off people like Davis.
There is another thread about Gruden getting fired. On it folks speculated and also joked about Gruden going back to the Raiders. Then they go and describe a situation where top coaches will not want to coach the Raiders as long as Davis is there.
Sndyer and the Redskins do need to be careful. While the Redskins are not as bad a situation as the Raiders, there certainly was not a line of top coaches at Snyder's door wanting in.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;521208]And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.[/quote]

I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.

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[quote=Defensewins;521210]I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.[/quote]

Well a lot of rookies have losing seasons (i.e. Cam Cameron's 1-15), so while I'm not happy with 8-8, I'm glad we didn't do worst.

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[quote=Ruhskins;521212]Well a lot of rookies have losing seasons (i.e. Cam Cameron's 1-15), so while I'm not happy with 8-8, I'm glad we didn't do worst.[/quote]

There were two Rookie coaches (Atlanta & Miami) that made the playoffs.
I like Zorn, but the jury is still out on this coaching staff. They took a playoff team and regressed. I thought at the time that Williams and Saunders should been given at least a chance to see what they can do. We took an even bigger chance on Zorn who was not even a Offensive coordinator.

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[quote=Defensewins;521213]There were two Rookie coaches (Atlanta & Miami) that made the playoffs.
I like Zorn, but the jury is still out on this coaching staff. They took a playoff team and regressed. I thought at the time that Williams and Saunders should been given at least a chance to see what they can do. We took an even bigger chance on Zorn who was not even a Offensive coordinator.[/quote]

I think you think a bit too much of our playoff appearances, especially since last year we backed into the playoffs with a 9-7 record.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;521208]And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.[/quote]

Good point... possible Williams just isn't HC material.

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[quote=Defensewins;521213]There were two Rookie coaches (Atlanta & Miami) that made the playoffs.
I like Zorn, but the jury is still out on this coaching staff. They took a playoff team and regressed. I thought at the time that Williams and Saunders should been given at least a chance to see what they can do. We took an even bigger chance on Zorn who was not even a Offensive coordinator.[/quote]I am also not happy with 8-8, but it's not like they were handed a team that would have been able to make the playoffs in an improved NFC this year. 8 wins this year is more impressive than 9 last year.

I would not be happy with another 8-8 team next year, as we should be able to improve, particularly on the offensive end. I expect at least a winning record next year, but 8-8 was fine for a team that made no significant improvements in the offseason.

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[quote=Defensewins;521210]I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.[/quote]

We could have been 4-12 like the Jags.

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8-8 is a good start for a rookie HC and a team with little depth. I think Zorn did pretty good with what he had left towards the end of the season. It's almost like people want to hate him before he even gets a chance to install his system (coaches, players, playcall, ect...) I don't get it. One one hand we say he shouldn't be HC with no HC experience. And then we compare him to rookie coaches in Atlanta and Miami???

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[quote=The Goat;521216]Good point..[B]. possible Williams just isn't HC material[/B].[/quote]

Williams was 17-31 in 3 seasons in Buffalo. He was fired after going 6-10 in his 3rd year. Zorn goes 8-8 his first year and people want to talk about what a good headcoach Williams would have been for us. As far as Zorn inheriting a playoff team, as Ruhskins said, we backed into the playoffs last year at 9-7. Williams is a good DC just like Norv is a good OC. That doesn't make you a good headcoach. This BS about Zorn inheriting a playoff team is really getting old and as good as Williams was as DC, he was also an unbearable ass at times. I guess it's easier to say we shoulda done this or that before giving things a chance to play out instead of just supporting who we have. Would anybody be happy with 6-10 in Zorns 3rd year? If you can't do any better than that after 3 years....see ya. I'd say give Zorn 3 years like Williams had before declaring Williams a better HC.

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[quote=53Fan;521231]Williams was 17-31 in 3 seasons in Buffalo. He was fired after going 6-10 in his 3rd year. Zorn goes 8-8 his first year and people want to talk about what a good headcoach Williams would have been for us. As far as Zorn inheriting a playoff team, as Ruhskins said, we backed into the playoffs last year at 9-7. Williams is a good DC just like Norv is a good OC. That doesn't make you a good headcoach. This BS about Zorn inheriting a playoff team is really getting old and as good as Williams was as DC, he was also an unbearable ass at times. I guess it's easier to say we shoulda done this or that before giving things a chance to play out instead of just supporting who we have.[/quote]

Zorn was hired to be the offensive coordinator of a team that had an average offense last year. With the same players, he managed to score less points that the 0-16 Detroit Lions. Record aside, he failed miserably on his side of the ball. Hopefully, he will do better next year.

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I am not hating Zorn. I hope Zorn becomes the next great coach.
I was responding to previous posts on this thread that theorized that because other teams passed on GW, that some how that means we made the right call in hiring Zorn.
I was saying the jury is still out on this staff and it is much too soon to say we made the "right call in hiring Zorn." While also defending GW.

While the record were somewhat similar from Gibbs 2007 to Zorn's 2008 seasons, the teams finished the seasons in completely different ways.
Gibbs won his final 5 games including big wins in a 22-10 week 15 win at Giants and a 27-6 blow out of the Cowboys in the final week of the season that got us in the playoffs.
Zorn's 2008 Redskins came out strong to an ealy 6-2 record in September in October, they went a dismal 2-6 in November and Decmber, when it matters most.
While Zorn's 8-8 record is very respectable for a rookie NFL coach, the Redskins looked pitifully bad in their week 15 loss to the Bengals and week 17 loss to the 49ers. Reminded me of the old Spurrier days. That is what I mean by the team regressed.

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[quote=53Fan;521231]Williams was 17-31 in 3 seasons in Buffalo. He was fired after going 6-10 in his 3rd year. Zorn goes 8-8 his first year and people want to talk about what a good headcoach Williams would have been for us. As far as Zorn inheriting a playoff team, as Ruhskins said, we backed into the playoffs last year at 9-7. Williams is a good DC just like Norv is a good OC. That doesn't make you a good headcoach. This BS about Zorn inheriting a playoff team is really getting old and as good as Williams was as DC, he was also an unbearable ass at times. I guess it's easier to say we shoulda done this or that before giving things a chance to play out instead of just supporting who we have.[/quote]

Das wud I'm tawkin bout 53! Tired of it. You can't compare what one team did and another didn't. Out of all 32 teams in the NFL. Who had to open against the Super Bowl Champs? Redskins did! That could have set the tempo for a 4-12 season but we overcame the loss. I didn't see any other team have to start there season like that.

Secondly if we had played Miami of the Falcons in the first part of the season. Redskins and our rookie HC would have tore them up. It's all about circumstanses. Next season will be better. Count on it!

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[quote=Defensewins;521235]I am not hating Zorn. I hope Zorn becomes the next great coach.
I was responding to previous posts on this thread that theorized that because other teams passed on GW, that some how that means we made the right call in hiring Zorn.
I was saying the jury is still out on this staff and it is much too soon to say we made the "right call in hiring Zorn." While also defending GW.

While the record were somewhat similar from Gibbs 2007 to Zorn's 2008 seasons, the teams finished the seasons in completely different ways.
Gibbs won his final 5 games including big wins in a 22-10 week 15 win at Giants and a 27-6 blow out of the Cowboys in the final week of the season that got us in the playoffs.
Zorn's 2008 Redskins came out strong to an ealy 6-2 record in September in October, they went a dismal 2-6 in November and Decmber, when it matters most.
While Zorn's 8-8 record is very respectable for a rookie NFL coach, the Redskins looked pitifully bad in their week 15 loss to the Bengals and week 17 loss to the 49ers. Reminded me of the old Spurrier days. That is what I mean by the team regressed.[/quote]
I agree that we didn't finish well. Gibbs made adjustments after Cooke told him to give Riggins the damn ball and Zorn is still trying to install the WCO. But I think the second half of the season had as much to do with poor 0-line play and rookie receivers who either couldn't get on the field or run the correct routes as much as anything else.

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[quote=53Fan;521241]I agree that we didn't finish well. Gibbs made adjustments after Cooke told him to give Riggins the damn ball and Zorn is still trying to install the WCO. But I think the second half of the season had as much to do with poor 0-line play and rookie receivers who either couldn't get on the field or run the correct routes as much as anything else.[/quote]

I agree that the players on the field did not perform well late in the season. A lot went wrong. There is a lot of gray area that is not so easy to distinctly say this is the reason for the poor outcomes. Some may theorize the rest of the NFL caught up to Zorn's play calling and now he is a sitting duck. I am not thinking that, but I have heard it in other circles. All I am saying is the poor play in the second half of the season can just as easily be blamed on poor coaching.

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[quote=Defensewins;521244]I agree that the players on the field did not perform well late in the season. A lot went wrong. There is a lot of gray area that is not so easy to distinctly say this is the reason for the poor outcomes. Some may theorize the rest of the NFL caught up to Zorn's play calling and now he is a sitting duck. I am not thinking that, but I have heard it in other circles. All I am saying is the poor play in the second half of the season can just as easily be blamed on poor coaching.[/quote]
I don't know if Zorn is the answer for this team or not. I hope so, and would just like to see him given a fair chance. That's all. :)

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[quote=53Fan;521247]I don't know if Zorn is the answer for this team or not. I hope so, and would just like to see him given a fair chance. That's all. :)[/quote]

Tell me about it. I am a die hard Redskins fan. I want Zorn to be the best HC the Redskins have ever had.
I also would have liked to have seen GW and Saunders given a fair chance as well when Gibbs left. They have very good football minds. There are several coaches that found the promise land on their second HC jobs like Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden to name a few. GWilliams is not a bad coach.

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[quote=Defensewins;521249]Tell me about it. I am a die hard Redskins fan. I want Zorn to be the best HC the Redskins have ever had.
I also would have liked to have seen GW and Saunders given a fair chance as well when Gibbs left. They have very good football minds. There are several coaches that found the promise land on their second HC jobs like [B]Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden[/B] to name a few. GWilliams is not a bad coach.[/quote]

The ones you mention didn't do too bad in their first HC jobs either. Coughlin with Jacksonville, Dungy with Tampa Bay and Gruden with Oakland. Not to continue the disagreement, but Williams didn't come close to what these others did in his first HC job.

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[quote=Defensewins;521244]I agree that the players on the field did not perform well late in the season. A lot went wrong. There is a lot of gray area that is not so easy to distinctly say this is the reason for the poor outcomes. Some may theorize the rest of the NFL caught up to Zorn's play calling and now he is a sitting duck. I am not thinking that, but I have heard it in other circles. All I am saying is the poor play in the second half of the season can just as easily be blamed on poor coaching.[/quote]

If one were to blame poor coaching, they could make a pretty good case by pointing out the following:

1) Rookies - The Skins offense was among the worst in the league during the second half of the season. How much worse could it have been with Davis, Kelly and Thomas in the line-up, especially in the last 2 games of the season when nothing was on the line? DeSean Jackson is the biggest knucklehead there is, but the Eagles coaching staff found a way to use him.

2) The RBs - Most of the elite running teams in the league utilized a multi-back system, while we ran Portis into the ground. Zorn had weapons in the backfield, but decided not to use them (Betts and Cartwright). He failed to use them in the passing game as well, while teams like the Dolphins, Chargers and Falcons screen passed their way up and down the field. Who needs receivers when you have TEs and RBs?

3) The O line - If it was so awful it couldn't even block against the ferocious defenses of the Bengals and 49ers, then scheme to compensate for it. Roll Campbell out, run some gadget plays, go no-huddle, practice sceen plays to the RBs until you're great at it, run some QB draws, go Wildcat... do whatever it takes to overcome the weakness and be productive on offense.

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[quote=53Fan;521251]The ones you mention didn't do too bad in their first HC jobs either. Coughlin with Jacksonville, Dungy with Tampa Bay and Gruden with Oakland. Not to continue the disagreement, but Williams didn't come close to what these others did in his first HC job.[/quote]

Even Bill Bellichick got fired by the Browns.

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[quote=Defensewins;521249]Tell me about it. I am a die hard Redskins fan. I want Zorn to be the best HC the Redskins have ever had.
I also would have liked to have seen GW and Saunders given a fair chance as well when Gibbs left. They have very good football minds. There are several coaches that found the promise land on their second HC jobs like Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungy and Jon Gruden to name a few. GWilliams is not a bad coach.[/quote]

Should've, could've, would've...it's all now water under the bridge. The way I see it with Zorn, he survived a brutal beginning of the season, but the offense fizzled out b/c of injuries and age in the second half...and the defense could not carry the team anymore. Zorn also inherited a team that has made some terrible offseason decisions regarding trades, free agency, and contracts in the past (and it is still feeling the effects). Right now, this is the team he inherited.

I'm sick of the Atlanta and Miami comparisons. Those teams have not made the bad decisions in the offseasons that we have had. They've had good offensive lines that protected their QB (both finish in the top team of least sacks allowed). And had an experienced coaching staff (coordinators and assistants) that I don't think the Redskins had. Atlanta (like Baltimore) won the lottery with their QB, and got a good free agent running back (another proof that their o-line was very good). Miami had some good veteran players (i.e. Ronnie Brown) and drafted very well (offensive and defensive lineman) last year; also they got lucky that Chad Pennington's arm didn't fall off.

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[quote=44ever;521228]8-8 is a good start for a rookie HC and a team with little depth. I think Zorn did pretty good with what he had left towards the end of the season. It's almost like people want to hate him before he even gets a chance to install his system (coaches, players, playcall, ect...) I don't get it. One one hand we say he shouldn't be HC with no HC experience. And then we compare him to rookie coaches in Atlanta and Miami???[/quote]

Install his offense? Baltimore, new HC, new QB, new offense...ummm their in the play offs.

Miami, new HC, new QB to the system, new offense....ummm they made it to the play offs.

Atlanta, new HC, new QB, new offense....ummm they made it to the play offs.

Install his coaches? His coaches were half picked for him and I get the feeling that's not going to change. It would be nice to see him bring in some more WCO coaches to help him but I honestly am beggining to think the front office, Snyder, Cerratto, and Zorn are thinking status quo.

We might see some new players....if were lucky. Maybe we should start with Thomas, Kelly, and Davis. Gotta start somewhere.

Install playcalling? I thought Zorn did that? I agree the team needs to know it backwards and forwards so JC can change the play at the line if need be.

I don't know if he should be a HC or not...you know how they say you get like a 300 for simply putting your name on the SAT correctly.....well Zorn took a decent team whether border line play off or not ...the team itself should have been able to go 8-8 even with out a coach. As to comparing and whether its fair....totally fair. Zorn was thrown into a HC position from QB coach. All the rest were Coordinators on teams prior to taking HC positions. This shows exactly what everyone is saying when they say he may have taken on too much all by himself and not having a proven NFL OC to back him up or assist along with only having half a staff that knows the WCO.

If Snyder, Cerratto and Zorn can finally figure all that out then maybe, just maybe next year we will be a better team.

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[quote=44Deezel;521254]Even Bill Bellichick got fired by the Browns.[/quote]

There is always an exception to the rule. But there is just as much a chance that Williams will never be a good HC as there is that he will. I'm not saying he never will be. I just don't follow those who seem so sure he will be. His record doesn't support it. Bellichick also led Cleveland to their last playoff win in 91. So he had some success there. Every coach that gets fired is not a bad coach. But I would say their records speak louder than if they were fired or not.

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[quote=SBXVII;521260]Install his offense? Baltimore, new HC, new QB, new offense...ummm their in the play offs.

Miami, new HC, new QB to the system, new offense....ummm they made it to the play offs.

Atlanta, new HC, new QB, new offense....ummm they made it to the play offs.

Install his coaches? His coaches were half picked for him and I get the feeling that's not going to change. It would be nice to see him bring in some more WCO coaches to help him but I honestly am beggining to think the front office, Snyder, Cerratto, and Zorn are thinking status quo.

We might see some new players....if were lucky. Maybe we should start with Thomas, Kelly, and Davis. Gotta start somewhere.

Install playcalling? I thought Zorn did that? I agree the team needs to know it backwards and forwards so JC can change the play at the line if need be.

I don't know if he should be a HC or not...you know how they say you get like a 300 for simply putting your name on the SAT correctly.....well Zorn took a decent team whether border line play off or not .[B]..the team itself should have been able to go 8-8 even with out a coach[/B]. As to comparing and whether its fair....totally fair. Zorn was thrown into a HC position from QB coach. All the rest were Coordinators on teams prior to taking HC positions. This shows exactly what everyone is saying when they say he may have taken on too much all by himself and not having a proven NFL OC to back him up or assist along with only having half a staff that knows the WCO.

If Snyder, Cerratto and Zorn can finally figure all that out then maybe, just maybe next year we will be a better team.[/quote]

Really? It only went 9-7 last year with a HOF headcoach. I guess Gibbs was good for one win? :doh:

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[quote=SBXVII;521260]Install his offense? Baltimore, new HC, new QB, new offense...ummm their in the play offs.

Miami, new HC, new QB to the system, new offense....ummm they made it to the play offs.

Atlanta, new HC, new QB, new offense....ummm they made it to the play offs.

Install his coaches? His coaches were half picked for him and I get the feeling that's not going to change. It would be nice to see him bring in some more WCO coaches to help him but I honestly am beggining to think the front office, Snyder, Cerratto, and Zorn are thinking status quo.

We might see some new players....if were lucky. Maybe we should start with Thomas, Kelly, and Davis. Gotta start somewhere.

Install playcalling? I thought Zorn did that? I agree the team needs to know it backwards and forwards so JC can change the play at the line if need be.

I don't know if he should be a HC or not...you know how they say you get like a 300 for simply putting your name on the SAT correctly.....well Zorn took a decent team whether border line play off or not ...the team itself should have been able to go 8-8 even with out a coach. As to comparing and whether its fair....totally fair. Zorn was thrown into a HC position from QB coach. All the rest were Coordinators on teams prior to taking HC positions. This shows exactly what everyone is saying when they say he may have taken on too much all by himself and not having a proven NFL OC to back him up or assist along with only having half a staff that knows the WCO.

If Snyder, Cerratto and Zorn can finally figure all that out then maybe, just maybe next year we will be a better team.[/quote]

Look brother your frustrated. And so am I. I guess I'm just looking at things a little differently. Mabye with a little more optimism. What's that going to do come end of next season. If things don't work out it's probably going to change. And if they do change, change to what? But in the end there will be disapointments. Whats going to happen when we finally have a great defense and Portis breaks down. We're Skins fans. What else is new! But I'm optimistic for what it's worth.

Re: Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job
 

Don't get me wrong 44, I'm optomistic....I hope for the best but plan for the worst.

Re: Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;521208]And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.[/quote]

When I first read you're post nothing struck me but then I started to wonder what HC jobs Williams applied for since he left Washington? Anybody know?

Re: Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job
 

[quote=SmootSmack;520494]How long until Pierson Prioleau signs with the Saints[/quote]

Took about two months for Prioleau to reunite with Williams

(trying to find a link)

Re: Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job
 

[quote=SmootSmack;539859]Took about two months for Prioleau to reunite with Williams

(trying to find a link)[/quote]

Here you go....

[url=http://nor.scout.com/2/850769.html]Scout.com: Saints Sign Veteran DB[/url]

Re: Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job
 

[quote=SmootSmack;520494]How long until Pierson Prioleau signs with the Saints[/quote]

Ha...