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[quote=redsk1;523897]It's not just letting Ryan Clark go. Those mistakes happen from time to time w/ every team, well most teams.

It's then replacing him w/ AA. That's the kick in the a**. I said it before, but whoever made that decision should be fired immediately. VC made that decision by the way per VC.[/quote]
VC is taking the bullets for Greg Williams. This was a Greg Williams decision all the way. I really get sick of hearing everyone dump on the FO for Lloyd, ARE & Arch. These were bad signings, pushed by Al Saunders, and Greg Williams. Gibbs as a manager was giving his assistants the tools they supposedly needed. These signings went south and Saunders and Williams are gone. WTF else does anyone want.

Saunders and Williams had Gibbs' support and neither DS or VC was going to go counter to Gibbs' wishes. Had they done that, they hysteria here would've been more over the top than it already is sometimes.

When Gibbs left the big questions was, why didn't GW get the job? The Arch thing and personality conflicts with the FO were probably the major reason. Hindsight on that looks pretty good now IMO, how about some props to the FO for getting that one right.

Bottom line is we have the correct structure in place. Zorn has input as every coach should, but the bottom line in player selection falls squarely on VCs. We can't fully evaluate Thomas, Kelly, Davis, their progression in 2009 will be key though. Tyron, Brooks, probably bad, but they were 4/5 rounders and many get cut across all NFL teams. We needed a punter and the #1 punter coming out of college wasn't a bad pick, he just didn't make the transition. Colt Brennan is the next Joe Montana / Tom Brady in waiting (SARCASM ALERT) and I'd say Horton was a pretty good pick. We didn't break the bank in FA, and the Taylor signing was a 1 year rental that didn't pan out. It was a risk taken under duress anyway. No way we could've addressed all our needs in one draft, and when we picked Thomas the players targeted on the DL were already taken. The Davis pick is still a bit of a head-scratcher, IMO there were still solid players on the DL, CB and OL available, but I'm willing to leave the jury out on that one until 2009/2010.

Let's not under-estimate the severity of the blow losing ST was either. He was signed to a reasonable contract and was arguably a top 5 defensive player in the league. He's taken away with zero compensation....that's a huge void to fill in so many ways. Can we have just a small bit of patience and see what happens this off-season. If we can fill a few holes there's no reason we can't be a contender in 2009, and in 2008 were still in the chase for the playoffs going into Week 16.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;524052]VC is taking the bullets for Greg Williams. This was a Greg Williams decision all the way. I really get sick of hearing everyone dump on the FO for Lloyd, ARE & Arch. These were bad signings, pushed by Al Saunders, and Greg Williams. Gibbs as a manager was giving his assistants the tools they supposedly needed. These signings went south and Saunders and Williams are gone. WTF else does anyone want.

[B]Saunders and Williams had Gibbs' support and neither DS or VC was going to go counter to Gibbs' wishes. Had they done that, they hysteria here would've been more over the top than it already is sometimes.[/B]

When Gibbs left the big questions was, why didn't GW get the job? The Arch thing and personality conflicts with the FO were probably the major reason. Hindsight on that looks pretty good now IMO, how about some props to the FO for getting that one right.

Bottom line is we have the correct structure in place. Zorn has input as every coach should, but the bottom line in player selection falls squarely on VCs. We can't fully evaluate Thomas, Kelly, Davis, their progression in 2009 will be key though. Tyron, Brooks, probably bad, but they were 4/5 rounders and many get cut across all NFL teams. We needed a punter and the #1 punter coming out of college wasn't a bad pick, he just didn't make the transition. Colt Brennan is the next Joe Montana / Tom Brady in waiting (SARCASM ALERT) and I'd say Horton was a pretty good pick. We didn't break the bank in FA, and the Taylor signing was a 1 year rental that didn't pan out. It was a risk taken under duress anyway. No way we could've addressed all our needs in one draft, and when we picked Thomas the players targeted on the DL were already taken. The Davis pick is still a bit of a head-scratcher, IMO there were still solid players on the DL, CB and OL available, but I'm willing to leave the jury out on that one until 2009/2010.

Let's not under-estimate the severity of the blow losing ST was either. He was signed to a reasonable contract and was arguably a top 5 defensive player in the league. He's taken away with zero compensation....that's a huge void to fill in so many ways. Can we have just a small bit of patience and see what happens this off-season. If we can fill a few holes there's no reason we can't be a contender in 2009, and in 2008 were still in the chase for the playoffs going into Week 16.[/quote]

I think people like to overlook the fact that Gibbs was in some way, shape, or form involved in some of these bad acquisitions. Don't get me wrong, Gibbs did great things for this franchise during his second stint, and I will not overlook that nor am I trying to undermine them. However, a lot things that people like to blame solely on Vinny and Snyder, were done either because of Gibbs or with support. Let's not forget that Snyder gave Gibbs a blank check on decision making, and as it has been stated before, DS or VC would never have gone against Gibbs wishes.

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[quote=Ruhskins;523937]That happens to every team in the league, I mean look at Randy Moss, sucked in Oakland, did a helluva job in New England. Hall sucked in Oakland, did a good job for us. (And come to think of it, it could be way worst...we could be Oakland)[/quote]

Alright, I'll go with that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;524060]I think people like to overlook the fact that Gibbs was in some way, shape, or form involved in some of these bad acquisitions. Don't get me wrong, Gibbs did great things for this franchise during his second stint, and I will not overlook that nor am I trying to undermine them. However, a lot things that people like to blame solely on Vinny and Snyder, were done either because of Gibbs or with support. Let's not forget that Snyder gave Gibbs a blank check on decision making, and as it has been stated before, DS or VC would never have gone against Gibbs wishes.[/quote]

It was a great group of people with everyone getting people they wanted: Gibbs-Brunell, Saunders-Llloyd, Blache-Carter, Bugel-Kendall, Williams-Archuleta. But interestingly enough, Cerrato never really made a huge push for anyone. But it's a new era now, let's see how things turn out.

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the clark issue reminds me of the brad johnson-jeff george deal (is this going back to far?). we had a capable guy who wanted to stay with us, we didnt sign him to a reasonable contract, then turn around and pay another less capable guy a boat load of money.

lame post by me, i know . . .

go skins!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;524060]I think people like to overlook the fact that Gibbs was in some way, shape, or form involved in some of these bad acquisitions. Don't get me wrong, Gibbs did great things for this franchise during his second stint, and I will not overlook that nor am I trying to undermine them. However, a lot things that people like to blame solely on Vinny and Snyder, were done either because of Gibbs or with support. Let's not forget that Snyder gave Gibbs a blank check on decision making, and as it has been stated before, DS or VC would never have gone against Gibbs wishes.[/quote]

If you look back a page, I did exactly that. As for the current roster, I put about 90% of that on Gibbs. He came in with a 3 year plan and left with a 4 year rebuilding project without the trophy to justify it. The further we get from JG 2.0 the less favorably I view his 2nd stint.

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Well we also have completely changed the culture within the organization from when Spurrier was here (trust me, it was a disaster). Hopefully, we've got a QB for the next decade.

But I don't want to start getting into another Gibbs debate again. So I'll just leave this topic alone

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[quote=SmootSmack;524087]Well we also have completely changed the culture within the organization from when Spurrier was here [B](trust me, it was a disaster). [/B]Hopefully, we've got a QB for the next decade.

But I don't want to start getting into another Gibbs debate again. So I'll just leave this topic alone[/quote]

I'm just curious. Under Spurrier, how was personnel aquisition organized? Was it all Dan? Did Vinny run the show? Or was Spurrier basically given a green light for whoever he wanted on offense and defense was just whatever looked good in the papers?

I believe it was a disaster. I am just interested in a) What was the culture that made it so disasterous? b) How did Gibbs change it? c) Even though some of the players remain unchanged (anyone still here from the Spurrier era other than VC?), have the changes Gibbs created taken hold?

I realize it my be too early to tell on (c), but I am curious as to your opionion on it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;524097][B]I'm just curious. Under Spurrier, how was personnel aquisition organized? Was it all Dan? Did Vinny run the show? Or was Spurrier basically given a green light for whoever he wanted on offense and defense was just whatever looked good in the papers?[/B]

I believe it was a disaster. I am just interested in a) What was the culture that made it so disasterous? b) How did Gibbs change it? c) Even though some of the players remain unchanged (anyone still here from the Spurrier era other than VC?), have the changes Gibbs created taken hold?

I realize it my be too early to tell on (c), but I am curious as to your opionion on it.[/quote]

I think Spurrier pretty much brought in whoever he wanted. I'm a Gator fan, so it pains me to say this, but Danny Weurffel, Shane Matthews, and Jacquez Green were just never going to get it done for us or anyone else. Spurrier also decided that Stephen Davis, who at the time was the single season all-time rushing leader for the Skins, wasn't a "fit," and we let him go in favor of Trung Canidate. It was a pathetic regime to say the least, and it's pretty obvious the Ole Ball Coach had a big say in personnel. Not to mention bringing in a coaching staff full of guys with no NFL experience.

Spurrier had ZERO control over the locker room, and there was no discipline. It was a total trainwreck.

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Remember Jansen saying there basically wasn't a weekly gameplan under Spurrier?! :doh:

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[quote=GMScud;524109]I think Spurrier pretty much brought in whoever he wanted. I'm a Gator fan, so it pains me to say this, but Danny Weurffel, Shane Matthews, and Jacquez Green were just never going to get it done for us or anyone else. Spurrier also decided that Stephen Davis, who at the time was the single season all-time rushing leader for the Skins, wasn't a "fit," and we let him go in favor of Trung Canidate. It was a pathetic regime to say the least, and it's pretty obvious the Ole Ball Coach had a big say in personnel. Not to mention bringing in a coaching staff full of guys with no NFL experience.

Spurrier had ZERO control over the locker room, and there was no discipline. It was a total trainwreck.[/quote]

I think this has been said before, but the Spurrier era was like one of those really bad car accidents that you just cannot look away from. I remember that comical moment when Danny Wuerffel had to do the kick off b/c our kicker had gotten hurt. It was funny and pathetic at the same time.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;524097]I'm just curious. Under Spurrier, how was personnel aquisition organized? Was it all Dan? Did Vinny run the show? Or was Spurrier basically given a green light for whoever he wanted on offense and defense was just whatever looked good in the papers?

I believe it was a disaster. I am just interested in a) What was the culture that made it so disasterous? b) How did Gibbs change it? c) Even though some of the players remain unchanged (anyone still here from the Spurrier era other than VC?), have the changes Gibbs created taken hold?

I realize it my be too early to tell on (c), but I am curious as to your opionion on it.[/quote]

Spurrier didn't give a damn who was playing defense. He couldn't name more than two or three players on defense without a script in front of him.

Under Spurrier, meetings where chaotic and no one was held accountable. Ladell Betts on multiple occassions would doze off and call people on his cell phone. Rod Gardner would do the same. Heck he called me once during a meeting. Players were regularly late to meetings. No one was ever held accountable. Under Gibbs (granted I wasn't actually there for Gibbs, I left right before) there was accountability and an understanding of the consequences of not being responsible. Not in terms of fines but in terms of the respect of your colleagues and the effects on the field.

For all intents and purposes, the true head coach that first year was Marvin Lewis. He was the leader of many meetings, he knew both the offense and defense.

As for player acquisitions and personnel, Snyder just gave Spurrier whatever he wanted, with the occasional minor disagreement. But it was such a joke because Spurrier never attended any personnel evaluation meetings, he would vacation at the start of free agency. You know how most coaches, Gibbs for example, call up a potential free agent, fly out to see him, fly him in to Redskins Park, etc., Spurrier couldn't even be reached by phone during the first days of free agency. The whole Jetskins ordeal of 2003, there was no rhyme or reason to that. That was just Dan and Vinny (mainly Dan) scrambling to do something based on the offense Spurrier said he needed.

That was pretty much the last straw. Snyder wanted Spurrier to succeed, for selfish reasons as well. But changes were ready to happen the next offseason. I believe it would have started with putting Cerrato in charge of the football operations, and responsible for the roster. The same way he is now, but five years earlier. But when Spurrier quit, and Gibbs came aboard, VC took a back seat.

In short, there was no sense of responsibility under Spurrier and he constantly skipped out on important meetings and off-season decisions. It was every man for himself in the locker room. There was no "team"

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Ryan Clark was a great compliment to ST, and was one of my favorite Redskins. I remember seeing big hits on the field and assuming it was #21, but then see #25 get up from the pile. I remember one of the Skins saying "Ryan Clark will separate your body from your soul." He was apparently a very positive force in the locker room too, which yes, actually does matter.

It was a big mistake not re-signing him, and I believe it speaks volumes about GW's ego. The Skins would get beat down the middle, and obviously in GW's mind it couldn't be the fault of his genius Cover-2 scheme, it must be the inferior safety's fault. Goodbye Clark, hello Arch. Also speaks volumes about the Skins FO, as there wasn't a qualified GM to overrule Gregg.

I'm happy for Ryan, he and his well-run team deserve to win a few Superbowls.

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[quote=Mattyk72;524122]Remember Jansen saying there basically wasn't a weekly gameplan under Spurrier?! :doh:[/quote]

Oh yeah. I forget which player said it, but I remember the quote - "I've played NFL Football. And this is not NFL football."

Spurrier tried week in and week out to get Ramsey killed.

Those were tough times for me, and I was in a unique spot. There aren't too many Redskins fans who are also Gator fans. So my Gators lost the Ball Coach, and replaced him with Zook who was a disaster. So I'm thinking, hey, at least I'll get to see Spurrier torch opposing defenses as the HC of my beloved Redskins. Oops. I had to suffer through the Spurrier/Zook debacles simultaneously. It was awful.

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[quote=SmootSmack;524128]

Under Spurrier, meetings where chaotic and no one was held accountable. Ladell Betts on multiple occassions would doze off and call people on his cell phone. Rod Gardner would do the same. [B]Heck he called me once during a meeting. Players were regularly late to meetings. No one was ever held accountable. Under Gibbs (granted I wasn't actually there for Gibbs, I left right before)[/B] there was accountability and an understanding of the consequences of not being responsible. Not in terms of fines but in terms of the respect of your colleagues and the effects on the field.

[/quote]

Gardner called you? Are you joking? Did you tell him to hang up the phone and pay attention? :)

Were you covering the Redskins when you were here or something?

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great post there smootsmack, thanks. ive repressed all spurrier memories except the first pre-season game against the 9ers.

go skins!!

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LOL @ the Spurrier memories. Anyone else recall the story about (I think) a Monday night game and he told them if they won they wouldn't have to come back until the following Friday to do the walk thru for the next game? It was some madness like that.

SS, I agree that those were disastrous years but in hindsight, I would have rather learned then if Cerrato was going to succeed versus learning now with a much older roster and much less cap space.

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[quote=Paintrain;524137]LOL @ the Spurrier memories. Anyone else recall the story about (I think) a Monday night game and he told them [B]if they won they wouldn't have to come back until the following Friday to do the walk thru for the next game? It was some madness like that. [/B]

SS, I agree that those were disastrous years but in hindsight, I would have rather learned then if Cerrato was going to succeed versus learning now with a much older roster and much less cap space.[/quote]

I think it was a Sunday game, and we played the following Thursday. I'm pretty sure he said if we won the players would have off until Wednesday. What a joke.

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[quote=GMScud;524140]I think we it was a Sunday game, and we played the following Thursday. I'm pretty sure he said if we won the players would have off until Wednesday. What a joke.[/quote]

YES! That was it.. We lost that Sunday game, but how incredible would it have been if that had come to fruition?

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[quote=GMScud;524132]Gardner called you? Are you joking? Did you tell him to hang up the phone and pay attention? :)

Were you covering the Redskins when you were here or something?[/quote]

Redskins, Caps, Wizards, United, bid to bring baseball to DC, Eagles, Hoyas, Terps, Colonials, Patriots (GMU), and assorted other local teams. Sometimes when you'd turn on the news and see such and such player answering a question or a special piece on "Barbecuing with Dana Stubblefield" but you never saw the reporter who was asking the question, I was often the "reporter" on the other side of the camera asking the question. But you know, union rules, couldn't get on camera.

But I digress.

Yeah he called me. I mean we weren't like buddies or anything. He was friends with a couple of co-workers that I was also friends with and he would call to find out where the party was that night, or to let us know. So yeah he called me at work one day

Smootsmack: Hello
Rod Gardner: Yo SmootSmack (not my real name)! What's up? It's Rod Gardner. Dre gave me your number
SS: Hey, how's it going?
Rod: Cool, cool. Yo I'm hittin' up Club Scud (not a real place) Friday with Chris (Samuels) and Tre (Johnson). We've got about 20 friends coming with us. Let your boy know (had a friend who ran parties at clubs down in DC). You gonna be there?
SS: Maybe. (of course, 95% of the time I'd see him downtown he compeletly ignored me). I'm working late tonight, trying to get out of here as soon as possible though.
Rod: I got you. I'm just waiting for this team meeting to end
SS: You're in a meeting? Damn, let me let you go then
Rod: Nah, you know how coach is, he's cool. It's alright. I know what I gotta do (thing is, he usually did, but what a terrible example). Plus, I can hear him out my other ear anyway
SS: Yeah, I gotta run Rod. I'll talk to you later

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[quote=SmootSmack;524152]Redskins, Caps, Wizards, United, bid to bring baseball to DC, Eagles, Hoyas, Terps, Colonials, Patriots (GMU), and assorted other local teams. Sometimes when you'd turn on the news and see such and such player answering a question or a special piece on "Barbecuing with Dana Stubblefield" but you never saw the reporter who was asking the question, I was often the "reporter" on the other side of the camera asking the question. But you know, union rules, couldn't get on camera.

But I digress.

Yeah he called me. I mean we weren't like buddies or anything. He was friends with a couple of co-workers that I was also friends with and he would call to find out where the party was that night, or to let us know. So yeah he called me at work one day

Smootsmack: Hello
Rod Gardner: Yo SmootSmack (not my real name)! What's up? It's Rod Gardner. Dre gave me your number
SS: Hey, how's it going?
Rod: Cool, cool. Yo I'm hittin' up Club Scud (not a real place) Friday with Chris (Samuels) and Tre (Johnson). We've got about 20 friends coming with us. Let your boy know (had a friend who ran parties at clubs down in DC). You gonna be there?
SS: Maybe. (of course, 95% of the time I'd see him downtown he compeletly ignored me). I'm working late tonight, trying to get out of here as soon as possible though.
Rod: I got you. I'm just waiting for this team meeting to end
SS: You're in a meeting? Damn, let me let you go then
Rod: Nah, you know how coach is, he's cool. It's alright. I know what I gotta do (thing is, he usually did, but what a terrible example). Plus, I can hear him out my other ear anyway
SS: Yeah, I gotta run Rod. I'll talk to you later[/quote]

Ha. Funny story. Good stuff.

BTW, Club Scud is a real place. I make it rain up in there all the time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;524152]Redskins, Caps, Wizards, United, bid to bring baseball to DC, Eagles, Hoyas, Terps, Colonials, Patriots (GMU), and assorted other local teams. Sometimes when you'd turn on the news and see such and such player answering a question or a special piece on "Barbecuing with Dana Stubblefield" but you never saw the reporter who was asking the question, I was often the "reporter" on the other side of the camera asking the question. But you know, union rules, couldn't get on camera.

But I digress.

Yeah he called me. I mean we weren't like buddies or anything. He was friends with a couple of co-workers that I was also friends with and he would call to find out where the party was that night, or to let us know. So yeah he called me at work one day

Smootsmack: Hello
Rod Gardner: Yo SmootSmack (not my real name)! What's up? It's Rod Gardner. Dre gave me your number
SS: Hey, how's it going?
Rod: Cool, cool. Yo I'm hittin' up Club Scud (not a real place) Friday with Chris (Samuels) and Tre (Johnson). We've got about 20 friends coming with us. Let your boy know (had a friend who ran parties at clubs down in DC). You gonna be there?
SS: Maybe. (of course, 95% of the time I'd see him downtown he compeletly ignored me). I'm working late tonight, trying to get out of here as soon as possible though.
Rod: I got you. I'm just waiting for this team meeting to end
SS: You're in a meeting? Damn, let me let you go then
Rod: Nah, you know how coach is, he's cool. It's alright. I know what I gotta do (thing is, he usually did, but what a terrible example). Plus, I can hear him out my other ear anyway
SS: Yeah, I gotta run Rod. I'll talk to you later[/quote]

LOL, the most I have ever done is shake Rock Cartwright's hand through the chain linked fence outside of the player's parking lot at FedEX. It was more like a 3 finger tap. He really wasn't into it.

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[quote=GMScud;524157]Ha. Funny story. Good stuff.

[B]BTW, Club Scud is a real place. I make it rain up in there all the time.[/B][/quote]

What you do alone in your room at night is really of no interest to the rest of us.

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Also, thanks for the insight Smoot.

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[quote=Angry;524166]LOL, the most I have ever done is shake Rock Cartwright's hand through the chain linked fence outside of the player's parking lot at FedEX. It was more like a 3 finger tap. He really wasn't into it.[/quote]

I said hello to Charles Mann one time at a Terps basketball game (back when they actually won games) when I was an undergrad at Maryland. I also met Mark Rypien (sp?) when he came to visit my school, I think I must have been in 7th or 8th grade.

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Would've, could've, should've. I'm not losing sleep over Clark. We messed up with Archy but in the process we ended up drafting LaRon. I mean, for almost a season we had the best safety combo in league with LaRon and Sean.

Still, props to Clark for working hard and getting to where he is. Nuff respect and that hit he laid on that Ravens receiver to seal the deal was vicious, vicious!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;524168]Also, thanks for the insight Smoot.[/quote]

Sure thing. It's a shame really, because Spurrier has a great football mind. But he just wasn't cut out I guess to be an NFL head coach. I had never seen such disorder in my life as compared to those two years he was coaching the Redskins. He didn't care, many of the players didn't care. It was a mess. Turner was a bit of a mess too, but at least he tried. And the players weren't as unruly under him. Under Spurrier, that definitely wasn't the case.

Anyway, as for Clark. saden's right

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[quote=SmootSmack;524174]Sure thing. It's a shame really, because Spurrier has a great football mind. But he just wasn't cut out I guess to be an NFL head coach. I had never seen such disorder in my life as compared to those two years he was coaching the Redskins. He didn't care, many of the players didn't care. It was a mess. Turner was a bit of a mess too, but at least he tried. And the players weren't as unruly under him. Under Spurrier, that definitely wasn't the case.

Anyway, as for Clark. saden's right[/quote]

I wonder how Spurrier would work out as an offensive coordinator (not that he would ever dream of working for someone else!). If he could just draw it up and let the HC run the team, it sounds like he could be pretty successful.

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[quote=SmootSmack;524128] Rod Gardner would do the same. Heck he called me once during a meeting.[/quote]
He called you twice, The first time was a dropped call.

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Rod Gardner was such a waste of talent. If the guy devoted just half the amount of energy to football that he did with partying he could have been a hell of a WR.

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[quote=jamf;524181]He called you twice, The first time was a dropped call.[/quote]

ha, good old 50/50

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[quote=RedskinMike;524190]ha, good old 50/50[/quote]
Carlos Rogers makes Rod Gardner's hands seem reliable!

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There is a great column by Wilbon in last Thursday's Post talking about Clark and his observations about the differences between how Pgh does things and how the Skins do things. It speaks volumes about why Pgh is consistently successful and the Skins arent. Basically its the culture the ownership has created in both teams.