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[quote=SmootSmack;524743]I've heard some pretty reliable sources suspect that Andre Smith is actually going to fall all the way down to us...which would just be ridiculous[/quote]

I mean that sounds awesome but why would that happen considering he was expected to go top 5? Is there a downside to him not yet totally out of the bag or are you saying we're gonna have Christmas in April this year SS?

... also curious which tackle spot you think he'll land. I mean is it foregone Samuels stays @ LT and the new guy takes over RT?

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[quote=SmootSmack;524743]I've heard some pretty reliable sources suspect that Andre Smith is actually going to fall all the way down to us...which would just be ridiculous[/quote]

If the other teams want to take the skill positions and leave the linemen to us......that works for me.

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[quote=53Fan;524795]If the other teams want to take the skill positions and leave the linemen to us......that works for me.[/quote]

We'd need to pick up another couple Day One picks if we start wishing for that.

That is what makes me so depressed about this offseason. So many prospects and so little selections. Makes me sick to think that some of these guys could have been quality young Redskins but are going to be playing for other teams.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;524799]We'd need to pick up another couple Day One picks if we start wishing for that.

That is what makes me so depressed about this offseason. [B] So many prospects and so little selections.[/B] Makes me sick to think that some of these guys could have been quality young Redskins but are going to be playing for other teams.[/quote]

I hear ya Tee. With our #1 pick and a 2nd rounder to go with our 3rd, or even better, 2 2nds, we could rebuild our o-line to be one of the best. Unfortunately we spend picks like monopoly money.

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[quote=The Goat;524792]I mean that sounds awesome but why would that happen considering he was expected to go top 5? Is there a downside to him not yet totally out of the bag or are you saying we're gonna have Christmas in April this year SS?

... also curious which tackle spot you think he'll land. I mean is it foregone Samuels stays @ LT and the new guy takes over RT?[/quote]

There are apparently some concerns about his pass blocking abilities and the feeling that he maybe more suited to be a Guard in the NFL, than a Tackle.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;524799]We'd need to pick up another couple Day One picks if we start wishing for that.

That is what makes me so depressed about this offseason. So many prospects and so little selections. Makes me sick to think that some of these guys could have been quality young Redskins but are going to be playing for other teams.[/quote]

Definitely wish we had our second round pick bro but beyond that i'm not real psyched about the depth of this draft. Basically if we can select a franchise player, preferably an OT or OLB, @ 13 i'll be satisfied.

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If we get Smith and have him play either OT or G I would be so happy! It would be the first time ever Vinny would make a good move drafting at such a position. If we can't get one of these tackles, I think we need Maliluga, once in a decade type player and will be way better then Okarapo or whoever he is! But SmootSmack I hope you are correct!

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[quote=The Goat;524817]Definitely wish we had our second round pick bro but beyond that i'm not real psyched about the depth of this draft. Basically if we can select a franchise player, preferably an OT or OLB, @ 13 i'll be satisfied.[/quote]

I'd hate to see what our o-line looks like if we pick a LB with the 13th.

Reinhardt was a 3rd round pick and he's having a hard time dressing for games. If we have that same success next year's team won't be pretty.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;524848][B]I'd hate to see what our o-line looks like if we pick a LB with the 13th.[/B]

Reinhardt was a 3rd round pick and he's having a hard time dressing for games. If we have that same success next year's team won't be pretty.[/quote]

Aaron Curry would probably be the only linebacker who would be too good to pass up and we don't have a chance of getting him. If we keep going for the bling instead of addressing our o-line we can pretty much be assured of mediocrity for the next few years.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;524848][B]I'd hate to see what our o-line looks like if we pick a LB with the 13th.[/B]

Reinhardt was a 3rd round pick and he's having a hard time dressing for games. If we have that same success next year's team won't be pretty.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more. I think we need to stay @ 13 and grab the best o tackle prospect available but that's just me. I saw a draft board w/ us getting Monroe, which seems too good to be true, but basically i'm good w/ anyone but Oher.

Like 53 said Curry would be very hard to pass on cause w/ Marcus gone we'll really need help there but seems like we'd first have to get a great RT in FA.

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What's wrong with Oher at 13?

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[quote=SmootSmack;524864]What's wrong with Oher at 13?[/quote]

Too many red flags (like effort during run blocking and ability to pick up a blitz scheme) in college no less. If we stay at 13, and Monroe and Smith are gone, take Maualuga and build a defense around that guy!!

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[quote=Son Of Man;524876]Too many red flags (like effort during run blocking and ability to pick up a blitz scheme) in college no less. If we stay at 13, and Monroe and Smith are gone, take Maualuga and [B]build a defense around that guy!![/quote]

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We need to build a offense. You know, the weakest part of the team for the last 10 years.

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Too the people who would like us to draft defense: Have you guys given up on JC? How can you expect him to improve if you don't get better in the trenches.

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[quote=WaldSkins;524933]Too the people who would like us to draft defense: Have you guys given up on JC? How can you expect him to improve if you don't get better in the trenches.[/quote]

Well, I think first and foremost is probably improving the entire team and that includes the d-line.

That's not to say we don't need help on the OL, we do of course.

Side note, I'm increasingly skeptical that Campbell is in their long range plans anyway. But that's another topic for another day.

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[quote=SmootSmack;524942]Well, I think first and foremost is probably improving the entire team and that includes the d-line.

That's not to say we don't need help on the OL, we do of course.

Side note, [B]I'm increasingly skeptical that Campbell is in their long range plans anyway.[/B] But that's another topic for another day.[/quote]

Any particular reason? Are you hearing rumblings the rest of us aren't privy to?

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[quote=SmootSmack;524942]Well, I think first and foremost is probably improving the entire team and that includes the d-line.

That's not to say we don't need help on the OL, we do of course.
[B]
Side note, I'm increasingly skeptical that Campbell is in their long range plans anyway. But that's another topic for another day.[/quote]
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And so it begins

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[quote=Son Of Man;524876]Too many red flags (like effort during run blocking and ability to pick up a blitz scheme) in college no less. If we stay at 13, and Monroe and Smith are gone, [B]take Maualuga and build a defense around that guy!![/quote][/B]

[B]THAT MAKES ABSOLUTLEY NO SENSE![/B]

First off, Malauga is a MLB we have Flecther for at least 2 (given he's healthy). Second Maualuga would not fill a need given that he is an OLB, and last time I checked our focuse was on OT, or OLB [B]NOT MLB[/B]. You draft for need then talent, and if we can't draft an OT or an OLB (Curry) you trade down and get more picks. You don't build a defense around a MLB, you build on the D Line first.

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[quote=SmootSmack;524942]Well, I think first and foremost is probably improving the entire team and that includes the d-line.

That's not to say we don't need help on the OL, we do of course.

Side note, I'm increasingly skeptical that Campbell is in their long range plans anyway. But that's another topic for another day.[/quote]

Dude you're kind of dropping bombshells on us here as a contributing insider. First that A. Smith could fall all the way to 13 and now that the FO is looking to switch QBs. I don't mean i don't believe you cause i do but a little warning or maybe a separate thread would be nice :)

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[quote=vallin21;524979][/B]

[B]THAT MAKES ABSOLUTLEY NO SENSE![/B]

First off, Malauga is a MLB we have Flecther for at least 2 (given he's healthy). Second Maualuga would not fill a need given that he is an OLB, and last time I checked our focuse was on OT, or OLB [B]NOT MLB[/B]. You draft for need then talent, and if we can't draft an OT or an OLB (Curry) you trade down and get more picks. You don't build a defense around a MLB, you build on the D Line first.[/quote]

I've asked this before w/o getting an answer: why couldn't Maualuga play OLB for a couple years before taking over for Fletcher? After all we originally drafted Blades as a MLB and whenever we need a guy to fill in, especially on the strong-side, he's our man.

... i'm not absolutely advocating Malauaga but saying if he's the very best talent left @ 13 (say all 4 1st round o tackles are gone or it comes down to Oher vs Malauaga vs Cushing) then we'd be wise to take him and let him play.

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The thing is I haven't seen him play OLB at USC, but maybe at the combine or when the Redskins visit with him they'll put him through some OLB drills, but from what I heard, his NFL stock is at MLB.

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[QUOTE=vallin21;525000]The thing is I haven't seen him play OLB at USC, but maybe at the combine or when the Redskins visit with him they'll put him through some OLB drills, but from what I heard, [B]his NFL stock is at MLB.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Yeah, he's definitely a MLB. Maybe he could play outside, but is that something he would even want to do for a couple of years? I'm with you Vallin. Why draft the guy if he isn't going to play for awhile. He's a great talent, but not one we need right now.

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The guy i'm getting curious about is Jason Smith because i half wonder if he'll be the only OT left by 13. I know SS said Andre Smith could fall to us but his stock right now is very high and besides OT seems to be a "safe pick" now in the first round so I won't be surprised if the three highest rated guys are gone by 13. Anyway, I notice Jason Smith is the smallest of the group and at least right now expected to fall a bit.

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Jason Smith is highly thought of. A lot of mocks have us picking him at 13.

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[quote=GMScud;524945]Any particular reason? Are you hearing rumblings the rest of us aren't privy to?[/quote]

No, let me just make this clear for a second here, I haven't heard anything to legitimately suggest they have any idea what they want to do at the QB position, with or without JC.

I have no inside knowledge on Campbell being let go or benched or anything like that. These are just my own suspicions.

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[quote=The Goat;525013]The guy i'm getting curious about is Jason Smith because i half wonder if he'll be the only OT left by 13. I know SS said Andre Smith could fall to us but his stock right now is very high and besides OT seems to be a "safe pick" now in the first round so I won't be surprised if the three highest rated guys are gone by 13. Anyway, I notice Jason Smith is the smallest of the group and at least right now expected to fall a bit.[/quote]

From what I understand Jason Smith and Andre Smith are moving in opposite directions in terms of draft position. But, you know, it's still only February

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[quote=The Goat;524983]I've asked this before w/o getting an answer: why couldn't Maualuga play OLB for a couple years before taking over for Fletcher? After all we originally drafted Blades as a MLB and whenever we need a guy to fill in, especially on the strong-side, he's our man.

... i'm not absolutely advocating Malauaga but saying if he's the very best talent left @ 13 (say all 4 1st round o tackles are gone or it comes down to Oher vs Malauaga vs Cushing) then we'd be wise to take him and let him play.[/quote]

After thinking about the possibility of drafting Rey Mal. i've come around a little bit. No we don't need a MLB. We need a pash rusher/DL/Ol. Think about some of the great pash rushers in todays game...Harrison, Woodley, Shawn Merriman, etc. Some play in the 4-3 granted, but his pass rushing skills might be beneficial. I don't know...just thinking out loud. If he falls, no doubt he's a great talent. I wish we had another 1st or a 2nd pick this year, b/c we need more than 1 good player.

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This may come to a shock to some, but Rey scares the heck out of me... I'm not talking about how he would probably knock me into next week. I watched his game in college every week and while he did improve on many of his weaknesses, I think some of them were covered up by the talent on the defense. He reminds me so much of another LB'er the Skins drafted top 3 a while ago... same career highlights, physical talent and hype... but similar known deficiencies that can kill your defense at the pro level.

I hope I'm totally wrong, though.

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[quote=itvnetop;525312]This may come to a shock to some, but Rey scares the heck out of me... I'm not talking about how he would probably knock me into next week. I watched his game in college every week and while he did improve on many of his weaknesses, I think some of them were covered up by the talent on the defense. [B]He reminds me so much of another LB'er the Skins drafted top 3 a while ago[/B]... same career highlights, physical talent and hype... but similar known deficiencies that can kill your defense at the pro level.

I hope I'm totally wrong, though.[/quote]

Maybe i'm slow but who was he...

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[quote=The Goat;525379]Maybe i'm slow but who was he...[/quote]

Lavar Arrington.

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Great point...he was a hell of a player but he freelanced so much he hurt the defense as much as he helped.....Great comparison

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[quote=53Fan;525382]Lavar Arrington.[/quote]

Thanks dude. I was never a big Lavar fan...

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I think Rey would be much better then LaVar, he has a warriors instinct and looks like a RUSSIAN ROCKET!

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[quote=LandrySlice;525474]I think Rey would be much better then LaVar, he has a warriors instinct and looks like a RUSSIAN ROCKET![/quote]

No doubt. Not to say that i want us to take Rey but he is not even in the same league as Lavar. He was never a system player and was always caught outta position because of his tendency to freelance to much.

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The combines tend to shake up the draft a ton. I can remember a few players that fell significantly from combine work and combine performance. I would think of all OTs that may be there at #13 worth taking, it would be Jason Smith or Michael Oher. If, surprisingly, either of these two go before #13, and Andre Smith is off the board as well, trade down. I am not as south on Oher as some here. But Mocks that have Oher going #1 through #3, I don't buy that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;525034]No, let me just make this clear for a second here, I haven't heard anything to legitimately suggest they have any idea what they want to do at the QB position, with or without JC.

I have no inside knowledge on Campbell being let go or benched or anything like that. These are just my own suspicions.[/quote]

Haven't heard a word about that either. In fact, from every indication out of Zorn and other sources, Zorn is pretty committed to JC. Taking a QB when you only have 4 picks and tons of needs simply doesn't make sense. So, yes, I can see Vinny doing it. :silly:

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I know Zorn has said this is a bad year to draft a QB, so I'd be surprised if we did.

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Thanks to the poster who providedr the info on M Oher (red flags), I thought we would be lucky to land him, now it looks risky especially considering reports about 'poor' work ethics. Well, I hope Vinny and the scout team figures it out if we can 'fix' Ohers flaws if we decide to gamble on him @ 13.

I am of the mindset to fix the lines first then OLB so I am not in favour of taking OLB @ 13. I would rather try to trade down into the 20-39 pick and get extra pick in 2nd or 3rd round. We could try for William Beatty or Eben Britton (OT) or Duke Robinson (OG) or Max Unger (C).

If we do decide to pick OLB @ 13, it would be a tight tassle between Rey Maualuga and Brian Cushing. I like Maualuga's intensity (Polamalu type tackler) but Cushing is more suited @ OLB. I would go for Rey but only just.

I saw a post where it was suggested that we could land a scat back RB in the 4th-5th round. Devin Moore is a agile runner who can be a PR/KR in the draft? Sproles would garner big money and with the cap situation we are in, its a good option though we did sign Dorsey this week so hopefully we find our answer in those guys.