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[quote=The Goat;527880]LOL... my thoughts exactly.

Question to mods: with the shitty economic situation out there I wonder if it's been a little more difficult telling when somebody has been gut-punched by the world and is taking it out on so and so or when we're just being a-holes?[/quote]

I think us Redskins fans have anger management issues...do you remember what it was like around here when the team lost to the Rams?

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[quote=Ruhskins;527969]I think us Redskins fans have anger management issues...do you remember what it was like around here when the team lost to the Rams?[/quote]

Uh huh. I used to just visit the site before last year and damn i remember seeing some ugly bickering after the playoff loss to Seattle in '07.

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[quote=The Goat;527572]Anyway my early thoughts have been we ought to pass on both guys but want to hear what good arguments are out there for grabbing one or the other... signing both would be impossible, right?
[/quote]

I don't think the Redskins should try to get Haynesworth or Peppers.
My reasons:

o the cost would be huge and both are older players; imo the team should be leaning towards getting younger and having more fiscally responsible contracts, i would rather see them draft a defensive lineman then sign one

o both fit into the category of curiously dominant defensive players during their [I]contract[/I] year; i'm not saying that they would mail it in once they get they paid, but it is a risk

o on the whole i don't think big money free agents pan out and then there is the chemistry factor, scheme changes etc

o the defense was good without them last year and although either of them would be a big improvement i don't think the defense would become a dominant enough unit to win use games (b/c Blache scheme)

o i think that with the limited money and salary cap issues i think the most benefit to the team would come from improving the offense, namely the offensive line. Imo if the offense was more consistent and could score a few more points it could force teams to become 1 dimesional then the defense would improve as a by product

o also i think we have some young talent on the team that needs to play, why not give them the opportunity DE Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson

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[quote=30gut;527977]o also i think we have some young talent on the team that needs to play, why not give them the opportunity DE Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson[/quote]

That's what I have been wondering about for a while; after all they are still on the roster list, they should have been given a chance to take Daniel's role instead of biting on JT bait.. Evans filled in the position and exceed than our expectations (IMO).. The 2nd rd pick could have been used on younger and possible a good or star DE or OT, but nope..

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Anyone here interested in trading for Derrick Burgess? I don't know what the asking price is, but rumor is he's on the market.

I'd say no, regardless of his skills, we don't have the assets to trade for the guy most likely and he's entering a contract year so you'd need to extend the deal or it's one and done.

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[quote=SmootSmack;527996]Anyone here interested in trading for Derrick Burgess? I don't know what the asking price is, but rumor is he's on the market.

I'd say no, regardless of his skills, we don't have the assets to trade for the guy most likely and he's entering a contract year so you'd need to extend the deal or it's one and done.[/quote]

Hell be 31 when the season starts. Age aside, he is an above average DE. If he were a free agent, id be more inclined to consider him, but theres no way i would trade ANYTHING for him. we need to stop trading draft picks for aging vets. Occassionally, theres a player thats worth making an exception for, but Burgess is not the guy. Also, at 260lbs, hes pretty undersized for a DE. i doubt he would be any more successful opposite Carter than Taylor was last year.

I really think the only thing we should do at DE right now is extend Evans. He is not a star, but he is a capeable starter. We wont find anyone in free agency this year who is better than Evans (for the price) so we should just be happy with what we have (for now) and focus on more pressing needs.

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Vinny Cerrato was just on redskins radio. After being very ambiguous in answering pretty much everything, he casually mentioned that Phillip Daniels would be a free agent on February 27th.... even though his contract goes through 2010 according to this site. i'm thinking he didnt realize what he was saying and let something slip. Good news IMO. We would be foolish to bring back a 36-year old DE whos had injury problems in recent years.

This could also be a sign we plan to keep Evans and/or Taylor.

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Daniels has to go... Taylor needs to take a pay cut or be cut... Anthony Montgomery and gholston need to stay, orakpo has had a few knee problems, but the guy is a freak if we don't draft him, I don't think we should get maybin, cause he's very thin, and if you think that orakpo is not good against the run wait till you see maybin Tyson Jackson of LSU is good and reminds me of phillip daniles a little bit, but he isn't that fast at getting to the QB... But I'm very high on brandon Williams of Texas tech who did led the big 12 in sacks (not orakpo) with 13... The DE to watch for is Lawrence Sidbury of Richmond

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528036]Vinny Cerrato was just on redskins radio. After being very ambiguous in answering pretty much everything, [B]he casually mentioned that Phillip Daniels would be a free agent on February 27th.... even though his contract goes through 2010 according to this site. i'm thinking he didnt realize what he was saying and let something slip.[/B] Good news IMO. We would be foolish to bring back a 36-year old DE whos had injury problems in recent years.

This could also be a sign we plan to keep Evans and/or Taylor.[/quote]

I think it would be a good thing to choose Evans over Daniels. I also think it's moronic for Vinny to say that on the air - unless he had already informed Daniels that he'll be cut. It would be pretty lousy for a player to learn he's out of a job via a radio spot by the GM.

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[quote=Nflnick11;528147]Daniels has to go... Taylor needs to take a pay cut or be cut... Anthony Montgomery and gholston need to stay, orakpo has had a few knee problems, but the guy is a freak if we don't draft him, I don't think we should get maybin, cause he's very thin, and if you think that orakpo is not good against the run wait till you see maybin Tyson Jackson of LSU is good and reminds me of phillip daniles a little bit, but he isn't that fast at getting to the QB... But I'm very high on brandon Williams of Texas tech who did led the big 12 in sacks (not orakpo) with 13... The DE to watch for is Lawrence Sidbury of Richmond[/quote]

Sidbury is a friggin specimen and will be [I]the[/I] steal of the draft cuz he's likely to fall to the 2nd round. I wish we had a pick to use on him :(

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[quote=GMScud;528153]I think it would be a good thing to choose Evans over Daniels. I also think it's moronic for Vinny to say that on the air - unless he had already informed Daniels that he'll be cut. It would be pretty lousy for a player to learn he's out of a job via a radio spot by the GM.[/quote]

i agree. i got the impression Vinny "forgot" that Daniels wasnt under contract and thought he was a free agent.

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[quote=The Goat;528172]Sidbury is a friggin specimen and will be [I]the[/I] steal of the draft cuz he's likely to fall to the 2nd round. I wish we had a pick to use on him :([/quote]

2nd round for sidbury, i highly doubt that, and if we need a 2nd rounder we can trade down and still have a first, and even a second

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Nowhere have I seen Sidbury projected to go in the first round.

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[quote=53Fan;528179]Nowhere have I seen Sidbury projected to go in the first round.[/quote]

Yeah me neither... I didn't mean he would btw. I think 2nd or maybe 3rd is more likely but my point was the farther he falls the bigger steal he is. His performance in the championship game was off the hook.

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[quote=53Fan;528179]Nowhere have I seen Sidbury projected to go in the first round.[/quote]

Were did you see us say that we thought he would go in the first round??

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[quote=The Goat;528184]Yeah me neither... I didn't mean he would btw. I think 2nd or maybe 3rd is more likely but my point was the farther he falls the bigger steal he is. His performance in the championship game was off the hook.[/quote]

I'll tell you what man, if we could trade down in the first, pick up another pick, draft Mack, then get someone at the RT position and pick up Sidbury in the 3rd or 5th....... we could actually turn this into a pretty good draft.

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[quote=53Fan;528216]I'll tell you what man, if we could trade down in the first, pick up another pick, draft Mack, then get someone at the RT position and pick up Sidbury in the 3rd or 5th....... we could actually turn this into a pretty good draft.[/quote]

I agree, we should trade down if we can to get more picks..

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[quote=53Fan;528216]I'll tell you what man, if we could trade down in the first, pick up another pick, draft Mack, then get someone at the RT position and pick up Sidbury in the 3rd or 5th....... we could actually turn this into a pretty good draft.[/quote]

Down like a clown charlie brown :) We can't forget about SLB though. Aside from RT it's the other position we have to address IMO. FA or draft I don't really care but it would be nice to have a playmaker there.

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I agree, and if we could sign a FA like Carey at RT it would make the draft a whole lot clearer. The Dolphins aren't going to use the F Tag but we would have some competition. I think the Vikes and Bears are interested in him.

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[quote=53Fan;528224]I agree, and if we could sign a FA like Carey at RT it would make the draft a whole lot clearer. The Dolphins aren't going to use the F Tag but we would have some competition. I think the Vikes and Bears are interested in him.[/quote]

I think Carey would be a good pick up for us. It would allow us to pick up either a DE or LB at #13 or trade down.

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[quote=Ruhskins;528227]I think Carey would be a good pick up for us. It would allow us to pick up either a DE or LB at #13 or trade down.[/quote]

Ya well too bad Carey just got signed to a 6 year deal to stay in Miami... Slim pickings now in free agency...

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Funny how we were expecting teams to let their best players walk. Let's draft high quality and develop our own future. All the big name FA were resigned or franchised by the same teams that DRAFTED them.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528036]Vinny Cerrato was just on redskins radio. After being very ambiguous in answering pretty much everything, he casually mentioned that Phillip Daniels would be a free agent on February 27th.... even though his contract goes through 2010 according to this site. i'm thinking he didnt realize what he was saying and let something slip. Good news IMO. We would be foolish to bring back a 36-year old DE whos had injury problems in recent years.

This could also be a sign we plan to keep Evans and/or Taylor.[/quote]

He didn't let anything slip, the last 2 years on Daniels' contract is voidable and the Skins appear that they will indeed let him become a FA and maybe try to re-sign him at a lower figure.

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My thoughts on the d-line are:
Cut JT and his 8.5 mil salary
Sign Marcus Washington to a 4 mil a yr. contract
Spend the other 4.5 mil on another player like Chris Canty or Dre Bly..whoever...
Halfway kidding....only halfway.....WTF..why not?

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[quote=53Fan;528615]My thoughts on the d-line are:
Cut JT and his 8.5 mil salary
Sign Marcus Washington to a 4 mil a yr. contract
Spend the other 4.5 mil on another player like Chris Canty or Bertrand Berry
Halfway kidding....only halfway.....WTF..why not?[/quote]

Watch Marcus sign with someone like the Eagles, rejuvinate his career and have a probowl season. I'm not halfway kidding.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;528618]Watch Marcus sign with someone like the Eagles, rejuvinate his career and have a probowl season. I'm not halfway kidding.[/quote]

I won't be surprised to see Marcus flourish in a different system. He doesn't have the range to play SLB in our 4-3 but I'll bet money he'd be a hell of a ILB in a 3-4 system. He's got the size, the ability to shed blockers and can still smash ball carriers all day long.

... i don't see him in Philly.

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Our D-Line is in shambles IMO. It was bad enough last year, but Griffin and Carter are a year older, and probably a year slower. Who knows if Daniels/Evans/Montgomery/Griffin will be back...their all FA's. And none of them are truly starting caliber. You think Taylor was garbage last year? I guarantee you he will try even less in what might be the last year of his career. He doesnt care about Washington DC, and he has been "dancing" his way into retirement since last year while he robs us blind of 8.5 mil this year.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;528618]Watch Marcus sign with someone like the Eagles, [B]rejuvinate his career and have a probowl season[/B]. I'm not halfway kidding.[/quote]

Would'nt surprise me one bit.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;528626]Our D-Line is in shambles IMO. It was bad enough last year, but Griffin and Carter are a year older, and probably a year slower. Who knows if Daniels/Evans/Montgomery/Griffin will be back...their all FA's. And none of them are truly starting caliber. You think Taylor was garbage last year? I guarantee you he will try even less in what might be the last year of his career. He doesnt care about Washington DC, and he has been "dancing" his way into retirement since last year while he robs us blind of 8.5 mil this year.[/quote]

This is a product of an FO that is run like a bunch of 5th graders with A.D.D. their philosophy has been to build from the outside in and it has now caught up to them. The next few weeks will tell us all if they've learned anything about football or not.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;528618]Watch Marcus sign with someone like the Eagles, rejuvinate his career and have a probowl season. I'm not halfway kidding.[/quote]

If this happens, then it is no one's fault but just how things turn out to be. He was injured a lot and would have affected our cap number had he stayed with us. If he goes to the Eagles (or any other team) and succeeds then good for him, but I hope people don't come back and b!tch about it.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;528626]Our D-Line is in shambles IMO. It was bad enough last year, but Griffin and Carter are a year older, and probably a year slower. Who knows if Daniels/Evans/Montgomery/Griffin will be back...their all FA's. And none of them are truly starting caliber. [B]You think Taylor was garbage last year? I guarantee you he will try even less in what might be the last year of his career. He doesnt care about Washington DC, and he has been "dancing" his way into retirement since last year while he robs us blind of 8.5 mil this year.[/B][/quote]

So going after the best DE available, who happened to register 11 sacks the previous season, was a terrible move? Can you please tell me of the psychic that told you Jason Taylor was going to have a terrible injury this past season before the Redskins traded for him (b/c you obviously you knew that), so I can ask about winning lottery numbers?

And you're guaranteeing that Jason is going to have a garbage year? You're that tight with him that he told you that? Maybe you should convince him to retire then.

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[quote=Ruhskins;528663]So going after the best DE available, who happened to register 11 sacks the previous season, was a terrible move? Can you please tell me of the psychic that told you Jason Taylor was going to have a terrible injury this past season before the Redskins traded for him (b/c you obviously you knew that), so I can ask about winning lottery numbers?

And you're guaranteeing that Jason is going to have a garbage year? You're that tight with him that he told you that? Maybe you should convince him to retire then.[/quote]
Yea I must be what you call "psychic" because I was pissed as hell the moment we made this trade.
Call me "psychic that I thought a 34 year old DE who spent his whole off season promoting his celebrity status might not work out.
Call me "psychic" that I didn't think a player who was traded 3 weeks before our first game would be an instant impact.
Call me "psychic" that I was very unhappy that our largest DE was 250lbs.
Call me "psychic" that I was uncomfortable with the fact that Parcells wanted to get rid of him, and not even for a 1st rounder.

Hey and you know what, since I'm apparently "psychic" I will magically predict that a man who just sucked the previous season, has no loyalty to his team, is old as dirt, is going to retire next season and who is unwilling to take a paycut will not deliver on the field? If it was about anything but the money for Taylor at this point he would recognize that he is getting extremely overpaid and take the cut to help out his team. Seriously, If it's not worth it for him to play for 6 million, when he is still worth less, it's clearly all about the money. When a player doesnt give a shit in his final season, he will suck. Period.

Oh and BTW, I told him to retire now, but he said back to me that 8.5 mil in easy money was worth one more season...but no less.

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[quote=Ruhskins;528660]If this happens, then it is no one's fault but just how things turn out to be. He was injured a lot and would have affected our cap number had he stayed with us. If he goes to the Eagles (or any other team) and succeeds then good for him, [B]but I hope people don't come back and b!tch about it[/B].[/quote]

I can promise you..I will.

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[quote=DirtyLandry;528618]Watch Marcus sign with someone like the Eagles, rejuvinate his career and have a probowl season. I'm not halfway kidding.[/quote]

I don't doubt he could come back strong. The big question is can he stay healthy.

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I really wasn't advocating that we should have kept Mr. Washington. I was simply stating that it would be our luck that this scenario could happen. Seems that when we part ways with a good player he goes elsewhere (particularly a division rival) and has a career year just to spite the redskins.

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;528669]Yea I must be what you call "psychic" because I was pissed as hell the moment we made this trade.
Call me "psychic that I thought a 34 year old DE who spent his whole off season promoting his celebrity status might not work out.
Call me "psychic" that I didn't think a player who was traded 3 weeks before our first game would be an instant impact.
Call me "psychic" that I was very unhappy that our largest DE was 250lbs.
Call me "psychic" that I was uncomfortable with the fact that Parcells wanted to get rid of him, and not even for a 1st rounder.

Hey and you know what, since I'm apparently "psychic" I will magically predict that a man who just sucked the previous season, has no loyalty to his team, is old as dirt, is going to retire next season and who is unwilling to take a paycut will not deliver on the field? If it was about anything but the money for Taylor at this point he would recognize that he is getting extremely overpaid and take the cut to help out his team. Seriously, If it's not worth it for him to play for 6 million, when he is still worth less, it's clearly all about the money. When a player doesnt give a shit in his final season, he will suck. Period.

Oh and BTW, I told him to retire now, but he said back to me that 8.5 mil in easy money was worth one more season...but no less.[/quote]

If you were so upset about this you didn't express it when the deal went down... not here at least. I checked your post history and didn't find any of your crystal ball predictions.

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Thoughts on the D-Line:

This unit is hardly a dominant force in the league - - but it is not nearly the biggest problem area for the Skins to address going into the 2009 season.


[B]Lorenzo Alexander:[/B] Very versatile. That's another way of saying that he has not yet shown himself to be good enough at any one thing that the team will put him at that position and not look to move him around. May be a decent player some day.


[B]Ryan Boschetti:[/B] Yawn.


[B]Andre Carter:[/B] Solid DE who could start for other teams in the league. You cannot say that about lots of the rest of the defensive linemen on the roster.


[B]Philip Daniels:[/B] Coming off injured reserve at age 36 is not an easy thing to do for a defensive lineman in the NFL. If healthy, he is a savvy player who can give good effort if he only has to be in there for 40-50% of the defensive snaps.


[B]Demetric Evans:[/B] Hard worker. Gets all he can out of his physical skills. He is NOT worth signing to some kind of long term deal.


[B]Kedric Golston:[/B] Still young and developing. Maybe a decent player someday. Keep him around...


[B]Cornelius Griffin:[/B] I believe that Father Time is gaining on him rapidly. Maybe he has another year left - - maybe not.


[B]Rob Jackson:[/B] Who knows? He hasn't played enough yet to know if he is worth the trouble to wash his uniform from game to game because he doesn't get any grass stains on it.


[B]Anthony Montgomery:[/B] Becoming a decent run stopper but he does not get much pressure up the middle on passing plays. He's young and can still get better so you keep him around.


[B]Jason Taylor:[/B] Assuming he is completely healed, he is the best DL on the team. Problem is that he is also going into his 13th season ...


[B]Chris Wilson:[/B] Who knows? See Rob Jackson comment above...


Overall assessment is that this is a patchwork unit that can play well if the coaches put together game plans that will work to the strengths of these players AND if they can rotate bodies into and out of the games such that they DL does not wear down badly in 4th quarter situations. Last year they wore down badly in more than a couple of 4th quarter situations and that is NOT a good sign given how young most of the group is.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528709]If you were so upset about this you didn't express it when the deal went down... not here at least. I checked your post history and didn't find any of your crystal ball predictions.[/quote]

Thats interesting Matty. I was just looking at the JT thread the other day and was suprised to see that you were actually against the deal. At least in the posts i read. Good call hindsight. Most people were all for it.

With that said I dont think JT was milking it. of course its easy money but if he's 100% this season he will Ball

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[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;528669]Yea I must be what you call "psychic" because I was pissed as hell the moment we made this trade.
Call me "psychic that I thought a 34 year old DE who spent his whole off season promoting his celebrity status might not work out.
Call me "psychic" that I didn't think a player who was traded 3 weeks before our first game would be an instant impact.
Call me "psychic" that I was very unhappy that our largest DE was 250lbs.
Call me "psychic" that I was uncomfortable with the fact that Parcells wanted to get rid of him, and not even for a 1st rounder.

Hey and you know what, since I'm apparently "psychic" I will magically predict that a man who just sucked the previous season, has no loyalty to his team, is old as dirt, is going to retire next season and who is unwilling to take a paycut will not deliver on the field? If it was about anything but the money for Taylor at this point he would recognize that he is getting extremely overpaid and take the cut to help out his team. Seriously, If it's not worth it for him to play for 6 million, when he is still worth less, it's clearly all about the money. When a player doesnt give a shit in his final season, he will suck. Period.

Oh and BTW, I told him to retire now, but he said back to me that 8.5 mil in easy money was worth one more season...but no less.[/quote]

Great, if you're such a psychic, go work for Cerrato or some other NFL team, your vast talents are going to waste in this minor website.

Although, I don't know how much of a psychic you are if the only thing you posted around the time of the Daniels injury was this:

[quote]re: 07-20-2008, 03:14 PM
BeastsoftheNFCeast
Special TeamsPhillip Daniels is done for the season, Buzbee also hurt (updated)
well, I dont know exactly what we're going to do about this, but I do no that whatever we do, [B]we are going to severely overpay for it. Jason Taylor or otherwise.[/B] Demetric Evans starting would be a huge joke, and james coming off a 2nd torn ACL would be completely ineffective untill at least the end of the season when it is too late. We need somebody else. At least this happened sooner rather than later. :-([/quote]

So you only predicted that we were going to overpay..and well a 2nd round for someone who got hurt is overpaying so I give you that much.

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they already tagged suggs