Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

Pay him what he is worth. A solid backup DLineman who can spot start at DE and DT and play adequately to decent. He isn't a starter talent and he will get no opportunities to be an outright starter anywhere else in the league. At least I'd be shocked if he did. But as far as depth on the line he is a perfect example of someone we'd need to keep.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=GMScud;527774]Daniels makes $2.2M. He's 6 years older than Evans and makes nearly 3x as much. I think Demetric deserves a pay raise, and I'm no cap expert, but I think something in 3-4 year, $6M-$7M range sounds fair. Maybe with like $4M guaranteed.

He's tough, he works his tail off, he's never been a problem in any way, he has the versatility to play end or tackle, and is a solid run stopper. All that said, he's simply not a great or even very good player. I'd say he's teetering on the line of great backup/average starter.[/quote]

Excellent points IMO. See i think Evans (and his agent) think they've got a strong position here. They figure he is the best option at LDE because of Daniels age/injury and Taylor's massive expense and questionable run-stopping ability. Also besides Peppers there isn't much on the FA market for LDE. Evans is the defacto starter already and I don't think he's asking for a truckload... anyway this is just smart business on his part and I think we can sign him for a reasonable sum. This really isn't even an issue so long as the FO has decided to let Daniels walk... we save over $2 million cap hit on Daniels this year and can put a chunk toward Evans. No big deal. This only gets complicated if the FO wants to keep Daniels and/or Taylor.

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[quote=SmootSmack;527711]"I've proven I can start in one of the toughest divisions in football," Evans said this week. "I don't want to be a backup anymore. I started in 2005 at tackle when Cornelius [Griffin] was hurt, and I started at end when Phillip [Daniels] was hurt in 2004 and again last year.[B] I want to stay in Washington, but I want to be a starter." [/B]

Sounds like he's saying he wants to start[/quote]Reading between the lines, I would say that he wants to be paid like a starter. Not sure whether he's worth that kind of commitment, unless we're talking low-end starter money.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

id rather get rid of daniels the him thats for sure ...

CHANCE, being the operative word, 2 be a starter, id like to keep him here. hes not bad

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[quote=SmootSmack;527765]Thing is Evans' greatest value is probably not as a starter anyway. As BHA points out, the guy is versatile enough to play both DE and DT. He's a versatile backup who can slide into multiple positions when asked.[/quote]

What makes Evans a backup rather than a starter in your opinion. Going into 09'

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

Is it just me or does the thread title sound like it could be the title of an R&B song.

"Start me or Lose me" by Demetric Evans... I smell a Grammy!

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[quote=44ever;527809]What makes Evans a backup rather than a starter in your opinion. Going into 09'[/quote]

Um...good question.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=44ever;527809]What makes Evans a backup rather than a starter in your opinion. Going into 09'[/quote]

Apparently that's what Evans wants to know.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=Mattyk72;527687]Yeah I should say I'm really not interested in giving him starter type money either. I like him as a backup/spot starter but nothing more. If someone out there wants to give him a big payday I think we have to let him walk.[/quote]

Matty, why do you like Evens as a backup/spot starter opposed to a full time starter going into 09' ?

I asked Smoot the same question but he's pondering the answer.

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[quote=44ever;527815]Matty, why do you like Evens as a backup/spot starter opposed to a full time starter going into 09' ?

[B]I asked Smoot the same question but he's pondering the answer.[/B][/quote]

Maybe he's having dinner :)

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I was pretty vocal about letting Evans handle the role last year in Daniels absence...which did ultimately happen, but not before we threw a second rounder at Jason Taylor.

After seeing a whole year of him, I think we'd be best off not extending his deal. He's really bad against the run when you consider his size. He's a good enough pass rusher to dominate the weaker offensive lineman he goes up against, but he's a total non factor against top competition. Most of his production comes from a handful of games.

His versatility is a plus, but we're not at a shortage of DL players, so I wouldn't offer him a contract right now. I'm happy we got to see enough of him to make this judgment though, otherwise, we would have just been guessing in the dark about his future right now.

We could do worse at LE than him, but I'd take one more year of Daniels over Evans. Plus, Taylor is going to line up there in specific packages anyway, so we already don't have an every down end.

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[quote=Ruhskins;527818]Maybe he's having dinner :)[/quote]

Ha ha! you remembered that. :)

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[quote=Ruhskins;527818]Maybe he's having dinner :)[/quote]

Late lunch :)

Evans just isn't a difference maker in my opinion. He kind of reminds me of a backup center in basketball who comes in for maybe 10 minutes, get a couple of rebounds, commit a couple of fouls and keep the team afloat while the starter rests. I don't think his value should be underestimated, but it shouldn't be overestimated either.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;527719]Let him be a starter but at the same time don't break the bank. By the way, I hate it when players start making threats.[/quote]

I say offer him a cap friendly deal if he doesn't take it show him the door. We need to mix up the line a little anyway he is certain not a high priority type guy we need to up grade away why not start with him we need someone that is going to make the quarterback a little nervous and with proper scouting we can do that with a nice draft or undafted free agents.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=SmootSmack;527682]Let's just be sure not to pay him starter money if we're not going to make him the 16 [B]tame[/B] starter, which I don't think we should.[/quote]


you making fun of me

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;527828]you making fun of me[/quote]

um...yes, yes I am ;)

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

evans = joe salavae; which isnt a bad thing IMO. we need spot starters like evans who have been in this organization awhile.

with evans being 30 i dont blame him for putting the "i want to start" talk out there in hopes of getting one decent pay check from the nfl. honestly, this is probaly the biggest deal he is going to get, his whole life stability and family (if he has one yet) rides on him getting the most he can in a few weeks. id rather see him get a big pay day from some other team then stay with us for less. he served us well and now its time for him to get as much as he can.

go skins!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;527829]um...yes, yes I am ;)[/quote]


good to know bt the description you gave of evans is about spot on for me

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

So many times I think we expect to have a superstar at every single position. Evans is someone who just like others have said is "solid". If anything I don't mind giving him a short term mediocre deal and have him just be "solid" for another year or two while we look at DE prospects in the draft over those years.

These days I'm just not too concerned with the short term. We have to think about drafting well for OL or DL this year and then going from there with the knowledge that we won't be Super Bowl contenders right away.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

you sign him to a cheap deal, and tell him he'll be the starter but go draft a DE who will end up as a starter

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[quote=Nflnick11;527858]you sign him to a cheap deal, and tell him he'll be the starter but go draft a DE who will end up as a starter[/quote]

Are you serious?

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[quote=Nflnick11;527858]you sign him to a cheap deal, and tell him he'll be the starter but go draft a DE who will end up as a starter[/quote]

No you got it all wrong. You sign him to a cheap deal, then go out and sign some old vet for like 8.5 mill while throwing away a draft pick to get him. lol. ;)

I hope you all realized I was #1-joking and #2-making a reference to us signing E.James last year then throwing a draft pick at Miami for Taylor. I also kinda got the feeling Nflnick11 was doing the same thing or atleast I thought he was trying to. Perhaps I'm wrong.

I don't have a problem with Evans. I don't have a problem with him wanting to start. What I have a problem with is when anyone gives that vailed threat that sounds like an ultimatum. I have a tendency to want to say "Bye".

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=44ever;527864]Are you serious?[/quote]

Dead serious Evans is a good backup up but starter, no.
You sign him to like a 4 year 15 million dollar deal with 3 million guaranteed

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=Nflnick11;528197]Dead serious Evans is a good backup up but starter, no.
You sign him to like a 4 year 15 million dollar deal with 3 million guaranteed[/quote]

[quote=Nflnick11;527858]you sign him to a cheap deal, and tell him he'll be the starter but go draft a DE who will end up as a starter[/quote]

"Cheap" is signing a backup to a $15M contract all the while lying to his face about his status? That's neither smart nor cheap. Cheap would be a 3-4 year contract worth half that much, and give him a "chance" to start. That's what he asked for. A new contract and a chance.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[QUOTE] Originally Posted by Nflnick11
you sign him to a cheap deal, and tell him he'll be the starter but go draft a DE who will end up as a starter [/QUOTE]
Thats good then when said drafted DE starter gets hurt and Evens steps in i'm sure he will give 100% Wrong!

Evens has been an upright hard working player who if he doesnt deserve a starting position which IMO he does, at least deserves more respect than you are offering.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

He's a starter already. Why not give him a decent deal?

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I think he'd play the same role about anywhere else. We'll see.

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first off, you don't lie to him. and pretty much like everyone else said, you give him the chance to be a starter. the N.F.L is all about winning. if he can produce, he will play

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[quote=Nflnick11;528197]Dead serious Evans is a good backup up but starter, no.
You sign him to like a 4 year 15 million dollar deal with 3 million guaranteed[/quote]

Wow you guys are posting fast today. I posted just before Nflnick11 did and thought I was going to be the last post and everyones popped up at the same time.

I guess I should apologize for assuming you were being sarcastically funny Nflnick11. Clearly you were serious. Good luck with the whole lie to Evans and bring in a young, unknown drafted rookie thing you mentioned.

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[quote=Nflnick11;527858]you sign him to a cheap deal, and tell him he'll be the starter but go draft a DE who will end up as a starter[/quote]

That would bring up 2 problems if we do that.. First, we would make Redskins organization to look bad which would make players not to be so trusting with us.. Second, Evans would complain which will bring up some kind of distraction.. Then we probably would have to trade or release him.. Not so much of positivity in this idea..

As for Evans wanting to start; I would not promise him that he would start however I will give him a chance to compete for the starting spot.. After all, he deserves to have a chance for what he have done for us last season..

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=SBXVII;528000]No you got it all wrong. You sign him to a cheap deal, then go out and sign some old vet for like 8.5 mill while throwing away a draft pick to get him. lol. ;)

I hope you all realized I was #1-joking and #2-making a reference to us signing E.James last year then throwing a draft pick at Miami for Taylor. I also kinda got the feeling Nflnick11 was doing the same thing or atleast I thought he was trying to. Perhaps I'm wrong.

I don't have a problem with Evans. I don't have a problem with him wanting to start. What I have a problem with is when anyone gives that vailed threat that sounds like an ultimatum. I have a tendency to want to say "Bye".[/quote]

Ok this is weird. I posted this at 8:29 on 2-20-2009 just a few minutes ago and it shows I posted it yesterday, 2-19-2009.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

I say we let Evans hit the open market....nobody will want him to start or pay him big bucks. Once he sees that he is worth nothing, we'll let him crawl back to us as our backup who makes 1 mil a year, tops.

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

[quote=BeastsoftheNFCeast;528629]I say we let Evans hit the open market....nobody will want him to start or pay him big bucks. Once he sees that he is worth nothing, we'll let him crawl back to us as our backup who makes 1 mil a year, tops.[/quote]I think out of all of our free agents, Evans is the one who is most likely to be paid by someone else. That said, he's also the one whose loss hurts us the least.

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He didn't actually make this an ultimatum - - if I'm not named the starter at DE then I'm taking a hike.


But IF he did or if that is what he says in the actual negotiations for a contract, my answer would be, "Good luck in the rest of your professional endeavors. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."


Demetric Evans is not nearly talented enough to be allowed to pull off even the most basic "diva nonsense". Tha kind of crap would have to be nipped in the bud - - - [B]IF it were ever to happen[/B].

Re: Demetric Evans ....start me or lose me
 

According to JLC, we didnt even make him an offer:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2009/02/evans_likely_to_become_free_ag.html#more]Evans Likely to Become Free Agent - Redskins Insider[/url]

I know we let guys like Cartwright hit free agency last year but i'm pretty sure we atleast offered them some kind of contract first. The only reason I can see not to make an offer at all is that we have no intention of retaining him. Which could mean we have faith in Rob Jackson progressing and we want to get a comp pick for Evans next year OR we have our sights on an impending free agent we beleive would be an upgrade over Evans.

I'm very disappointed we didnt atleast offer him some kind of contract. But then again, what do i know? Vinny is far more qualified than me to make these decisions and its not like he's ever steered us wrong before...

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Anyone else get the sense that we are planning for the 2010 offseason now? Taylor, Springs and Griffin will all be off the books with no or minimal cap hits. Fletcher, Smoot, Jansen, Collins, Rock and Rabach are also candidates to be let go. ([url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url])

With that being the case, why sign Evans who is 29, a reserve who is a fill in starter but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that he is anything more than what he is. If he gets out there and doesn't find what he's looking for in terms of money and opportunity then certainly try to bring him back at a reasonable rate but let's not set the market for him with a starter level offer.

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[quote=Paintrain;529155]Anyone else get the sense that we are planning for the 2010 offseason now? Taylor, Springs and Griffin will all be off the books with no or minimal cap hits. Fletcher, Smoot, Jansen, Collins, Rock and Rabach are also candidates to be let go. ([url]http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm[/url])

With that being the case, why sign Evans who is 29, a reserve who is a fill in starter but let's not fool ourselves into thinking that he is anything more than what he is. If he gets out there and doesn't find what he's looking for in terms of money and opportunity then certainly try to bring him back at a reasonable rate but let's not set the market for him with a starter level offer.[/quote]

Funny that you mention this, because I was thinking the same thing. Someone here once said that the Redskins FO only thinks about the upcoming season and doesn't think about the future. Well I think you are right, I think they are thinking about the 2010 season and getting all of these big contracts out of the way. Even if there is no cap, we'll part ways with these old players and rejuvenate the team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529157]Funny that you mention this, because I was thinking the same thing. Someone here once said that the Redskins FO only thinks about the upcoming season and doesn't think about the future. Well I think you are right, I think they are thinking about the 2010 season and getting all of these big contracts out of the way. Even if there is no cap, we'll part ways with these old players and rejuvenate the team.[/quote]

if that's the case, they better start working on this OL and getting some more draft picks.

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[quote=Ruhskins;529157]Funny that you mention this, because I was thinking the same thing. Someone here once said that the Redskins FO only thinks about the upcoming season and doesn't think about the future. Well I think you are right, I think they are thinking about the 2010 season and getting all of these big contracts out of the way. Even if there is no cap, we'll part ways with these old players and rejuvenate the team.[/quote]

your theory makes sense... until the skins start signing other teams aging vets to deals equal or greater than what it would have cost to keep Evans. We have to remember who we are dealing with here. Nothing Danny or Vinny have done since Danny bought the team has shown signs that they were ever [I]really[/I] thinking beyond the upcoming season.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;529174]your theory makes sense... until the skins start signing other teams aging vets to deals equal or greater than what it would have cost to keep Evans. We have to remember who we are dealing with here. Nothing Danny or Vinny have done since Danny bought the team has shown signs that they were ever [I]really[/I] thinking beyond the upcoming season.[/quote]

Not that I am really for the Haynesworth signing (for the record, I am against it) but we can't put Haynesworth and Evans in the same sentence. The only things they have in common are they play in the NFL and they are in their late 20's but other than that we're comparing grapes and grapefruits.

If we sign Big Al and don't bring back Evans it's not that we chose one equal player over the other for a ton more money, it's that one is on a completely different plane than the other.