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[quote=Ruhskins;530052]To my understanding, Andre Smith said he was going to be at the combine on a Saturday and he wasn't there. Apparently he wasn't going to work out, so I don't know what he was going to do at the combine that day. And apparently being absent without telling anyone was the worst thing he could do in his life.[/quote]

There you have it. He's got issues. ....just kidding. lol.

No, I watched them talking about it on the NFL network and the lame excuse of how he got confused with Sat. Perhaps I'm missing something but I'm sure players were all brought in around the same time and had a meeting the night before....ie; Thursday. Then Friday they did the physicals, and bench press, and some meeting with teams. I would think each player would have gotten a schedule as to what they were doing and when they had to be there to include wake up and breakfast. Simply put he only weighed in 50 pounds lighter then his pro day which showed he has been working out but clearly he might have been worried he had not worked out enough to impress the media or teams so he conveniently becomes absent so he can work out on his own scheduled day in the future when he's ready.

Well it's not clear but his lame excuse shows he's either not the brightes crayon in the box or he's trying to cover his lack of being in shape. If I were him I would have simply stated my focus has been on my academics and I have not had time to prepare. I will test on another day. Atleast then it would not look like he is ignorant and can't follow directions.

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[quote=SBXVII;530121]There you have it. He's got issues. ....just kidding. lol.

No, I watched them talking about it on the NFL network and the lame excuse of how he got confused with Sat. Perhaps I'm missing something but I'm sure players were all brought in around the same time and had a meeting the night before....ie; Thursday. [B]Then Friday they did the physicals, and bench press, and some meeting with teams.[/B] I would think each player would have gotten a schedule as to what they were doing and when they had to be there to include wake up and breakfast. Simply put he only weighed in 50 pounds lighter then his pro day which showed he has been working out but clearly he might have been worried he had not worked out enough to impress the media or teams so he conveniently becomes absent so he can work out on his own scheduled day in the future when he's ready.

Well it's not clear but his lame excuse shows he's either not the brightes crayon in the box or he's trying to cover his lack of being in shape. If I were him I would have simply stated my focus has been on my academics and I have not had time to prepare. I will test on another day. Atleast then it would not look like he is ignorant and can't follow directions.[/quote]

But I thought I read somewhere he wasn't working out, that's the thing that's confusing me.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530154]But I thought I read somewhere he wasn't working out, that's the thing that's confusing me.[/quote]

He didn't work out - SBXVII is mistaken. He announced he was waiting until his pro-day to work out becuase he's "not in shape." That was the part that bothered me. The most important job interview of your life and you purposely decide to show up unprepared.

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I like the oracles prophecy, we must have an OT and I keep hearing Duke Robinson's name on this board, but have yet to see it crack any of scout inc's top 32. Am I blind or just stupid that I haven't heard much about him/seen him play??????? Anyone hear that the Skins are trying to unload Horton for a high pick, interesting!

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[quote=LandrySlice;530229]I like the oracles prophecy, we must have an OT and I keep hearing Duke Robinson's name on this board, but have yet to see it crack any of scout inc's top 32. Am I blind or just stupid that I haven't heard much about him/seen him play??????? [B]Anyone hear that the Skins are trying to unload Horton for a high pick, interesting[/B]![/quote]

Where did you hear that?

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[quote=GMScud;530248]Where did you hear that?[/quote]

:Smoker:

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[LEFT]If we do trade down for extra picks, I wouldn't mind picking up [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/502821"]Kory Sheets [/URL]in the middle rounds somewhere. He could be the change-of-pace we want to compliment CP, and he's a return guy. Plus everyday it's looking more and more like we're gonna make a few serious FA moves along the O and D lines, which could allow us to spend a mid-round pick on RB.[/LEFT]

[LEFT]From Yahoo:[/LEFT]

[LEFT][B]The Good: Kory Sheets, Purdue[/B]. In a relatively slow running-back group, Sheets still ran in the 4.4 range and caught the ball very well during position drills. He now looks like the draft’s top third-down back who has added value as a return man. [/LEFT]

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[quote=GMScud;530248]Where did you hear that?[/quote]

GTripp!

[url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/01/trade-rumors-only.html]Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven[/url]

Chris Horton

Just speculating on this one.

Have not heard anything about him being in trade talks, but knowing how the Redskins want to approach this draft, and where they want LaRon Landry to play next year, I would not be surprised at all if they tried to get a 2nd rounder for Horton, and then resign Mike Green at the league minimum.

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[quote=SmootSmack;530263]GTripp!

[URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/01/trade-rumors-only.html"]Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven[/URL]

Chris Horton

Just speculating on this one.

Have not heard anything about him being in trade talks, but knowing how the Redskins want to approach this draft, and where they want LaRon Landry to play next year, [B]I would not be surprised at all if they tried to get a 2nd rounder for Horton[/B], and then resign Mike Green at the league minimum.[/quote]

It would suck to find such a gem and then get rid of him right away, but turning a 7th rounder into a 2nd rounder in one season is a pretty darn good return on investment I'd say.

I suppose we'd bring Doughty back and let him fight it out with Kareem Moore? Mike Green can't cover himself with blanket.

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[quote=GMScud;530268]It would suck to find such a gem and then get rid of him right away, but turning a 7th rounder into a 2nd rounder in one season is a pretty darn good return on investment I'd say.

I suppose we'd bring Doughty back and let him fight it out with Kareem Moore? [B]Mike Green can't cover himself with blanket.[/B][/quote]

:rofl:
Oh man, too funny.

I'd hate to get rid of Horton, however I think it'd be a choice between Horton and Landry, and well we know who we would keep if such scenario were to occur. I agree with you GMScud, turning a 7th rounder into a 2nd round pick would be great.

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I read it , sounds like BS to me

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I think I've changed my mind about trading down. I was against it, but now I think I'm for it. I just don't see anybody who we couldn't do without being available at #13. Also, the are 6-7 good OT's and 6-7 good DE's and SLB's in this draft, so we could drop down into the 20's and pick up a valuable 2nd rounder.

By trading down, there's a chance that we could pick up an OT, a DE, and a SLB in Rounds 1-3. That would be very sweet, indeed!

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There are several teams that could be ideal trade partners - NE, Detroit, Miami, Denver, maybe even Philly.

Ideally I would love a trade w/Detroit or NE. Detroit has #20 & NE has #23 plus 3 2nd rounders. Detroit's got Mayhew as GM, our old CB from the good old days. It would be sweet if he gave up #20 & 33 for our 13.

That may sound highly unrealistic, but I can see one scenario where it could happen; Detroit takes J. Smith at #1. Sanchez is available at #12, but Denver decides not to take Sanchez at 12 & they fail to make a deal w/Detroit, who offers #20 & their 3rd (65) to move up.

Suddenly, Vinny & Danny are getting offers from a few teams who want to take Sanchez at 13, offering up day 1 picks. The Skins then have the uppper hand & go w/the best offer. It is Detroit we're talking about. I could even see them giving #20,33 & 65 if they really think Sanchez is the real deal & he's available at 13. Vinny might throw in a 3rd or a late round pick to make it more palatble to their fans.

Of course this would depend on Sanchez falling out of the top 10. I think he, Orakpo & A. Smith are the 3 guys that will draw the most trading up interest. I know Orakpo's stock shot up after the combine, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the board a little later. He's got Vernon Golston written all over him.

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[quote=Ruhskins;530269]:rofl:
Oh man, too funny.

I'd hate to get rid of Horton, however I think it'd be a choice between Horton and Landry, and well we know who we would keep if such scenario were to occur. I agree with you GMScud, turning a 7th rounder into a 2nd round pick would be great.[/quote]

Word...we're not even that deep @ safety now so trading Horton don't make sense. On da other hand trading Kedric for a 2nd rounder, even in some package scenario w/ one of our current picks so we can move way up, that's an idea i like. We're totally covered @ DT now so Kedric is a luxury who we wouldn't miss terrible IMO.

...especially if we're lucky enough to have Raji fall to us it will be a great time to trade Kedric and get another pick.

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I just don't see a trade down scenario happening. Two years ago (2007), we owned the No. 6 pick. Brady Quinn & Adrian Peterson were still on the board when we drafted. We COULD NOT get anyone to trade into our spot.

I think teams realize it is more of a crapshoot and that the best bet is to throw as many darts against the wall as possible. I would be happy, but very surprised if we trade down.

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[quote=freddyg12;543617]There are several teams that could be ideal trade partners - NE, Detroit, Miami, Denver, maybe even Philly.

Ideally I would love a trade w/Detroit or NE. Detroit has #20 & NE has #23 plus 3 2nd rounders. Detroit's got Mayhew as GM, our old CB from the good old days. It would be sweet if he gave up #20 & 33 for our 13.

That may sound highly unrealistic, but I can see one scenario where it could happen; Detroit takes J. Smith at #1. Sanchez is available at #12, but Denver decides not to take Sanchez at 12 & they fail to make a deal w/Detroit, who offers #20 & their 3rd (65) to move up.

Suddenly, Vinny & Danny are getting offers from a few teams who want to take Sanchez at 13, offering up day 1 picks. The Skins then have the uppper hand & go w/the best offer. It is Detroit we're talking about. I could even see them giving #20,33 & 65 if they really think Sanchez is the real deal & he's available at 13. Vinny might throw in a 3rd or a late round pick to make it more palatble to their fans.

Of course this would depend on Sanchez falling out of the top 10. I think he, Orakpo & A. Smith are the 3 guys that will draw the most trading up interest. I know Orakpo's stock shot up after the combine, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's on the board a little later. He's got Vernon Golston written all over him.[/quote]

Yeah, i could see it too. We have some holes and need some picks. If Sanchez falls, Crabtree falls, or even Stafford falls we could have some decent trade partners. I wouldn't be upset. DE seems to be pretty deep in this draft. We can get a good player late in the 1st round.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;543611]I think I've changed my mind about trading down. I was against it, but now I think I'm for it. I just don't see anybody who we couldn't do without being available at #13. Also, the are 6-7 good OT's and 6-7 good DE's and SLB's in this draft, so we could drop down into the 20's and pick up a valuable 2nd rounder.

By trading down, there's a chance that we could pick up an OT, a DE, and a SLB in Rounds 1-3. That would be very sweet, indeed![/quote]

Precisely. Well put.

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[quote=SmootSmack;530263]GTripp!

[url=http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/01/trade-rumors-only.html]Trade Rumors only - Hog Heaven[/url]

Chris Horton

Just speculating on this one.

Have not heard anything about him being in trade talks, but knowing how the Redskins want to approach this draft, and where they want LaRon Landry to play next year, I would not be surprised at all if they tried to get a 2nd rounder for Horton, and then resign Mike Green at the league minimum.[/quote]

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I would hate to see Horton go. I think he is a good young talent who is not afraid to hit the hell out of someone. However this is the Redskins and they tend to do things that do not make sense. I love the Skins but sometimes I reallyw wonder what Vinny and Danny Boy are smoking.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;543611]I think I've changed my mind about trading down. I was against it, but now I think I'm for it. I just don't see anybody who we couldn't do without being available at #13. Also, the are 6-7 good OT's and 6-7 good DE's and SLB's in this draft, so we could drop down into the 20's and pick up a valuable 2nd rounder.

By trading down, there's a chance that we could pick up an OT, a DE, and a SLB in Rounds 1-3. That would be very sweet, indeed![/quote]

I don't know about us being able to get a good OLB in like the third round maybe jason williams of western Illinois but DE, I doubt we could get like a maybin or ayers in the second , and sidbury would probably be too high there we could get like a Kyle Moore in the third...one things for sure, if u want a good OLman you have to get him in the first cause I the mid second to third, they'll all be gone

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[quote=Nflnick11;543743]I don't know about us being able to get a good OLB in like the third round maybe jason williams of western Illinois but DE, I doubt we could get like a maybin or ayers in the second , and sidbury would probably be too high there we could get like a Kyle Moore in the third...[B]one things for sure, if u want a good OLman you have to get him in the first cause I the mid second to third, they'll all be gone[/B][/quote]

You may be right about the OT's but if we want a G or C somebody good will probably be there in the mid-2nd to 3rd round.

At G I like: Robinson, Levitre, H. Johnson, Urbik, and Vasquez.

At C I like: Mack, Unger, Luigs, Wood, and Caldwell.

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We need to trade down or possibly re-sign Marcus Washington. We won't be able to plug 2 or more rookies into the starting lineup with the selections we have now. Saying that, It points to the team perhaps looking to draft a DE, possibly LSU's Tyson Jackson. Why re-sign over-the-hill insurance policies Daniels and Wynn if not looking to bring youth into the fold?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;543642]I just don't see a trade down scenario happening. Two years ago (2007), we owned the No. 6 pick. Brady Quinn & Adrian Peterson were still on the board when we drafted. We COULD NOT get anyone to trade into our spot.

I think teams realize it is more of a crapshoot and that the best bet is to throw as many darts against the wall as possible. I would be happy, but very surprised if we trade down.[/quote]

But Joe, last year we did trade down!

I think teams are more reluctant to trade up to the top 10, both because of the cost in trade (usually picks) & the huge contract they have to pay a rookie. Our pick at 13 on the other hand, is right in the middle of good value but fairly safe players that are likely starters for several years. Teams will trade up for a qb no matter what if there's a guy they want.

With numerous teams holding extra picks they can play with, I think trade offers will be there, just depends on what teams are offering. If I was a GM, I would look to trade w/the Skins because they've shown a willingness to do so. They've also shown a willingness to get suckered, but that's another story!

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In order to trade down, I think you need to ask yourself if the guy(s) you want will still be available in the spot that you are planning to trade down to. If the answer is no, then I wouldn't trade down.

If there's nobody that you think would be available that you would want at 13, then trading down is a no-brainer - but I don't that's the case.

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[quote=diehard;543879]We need to trade down or possibly re-sign Marcus Washington. We won't be able to plug 2 or more rookies into the starting lineup with the selections we have now. Saying that, It points to the team perhaps looking to draft a DE, possibly LSU's Tyson Jackson. Why re-sign over-the-hill insurance policies Daniels and Wynn if not looking to bring youth into the fold?[/quote]
cuts aren't over

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Trade down and get Eben Britton. Then take a top rate Center or OLB with the next two picks. That would be a hell of a draft day for me. Of course they'll probably take some position that I don't expect them to take within their first two picks (3 if they trade down). I'm betting on S, CB, or WR. Then we get to hear the awesome BPA argument though I don't know when all these BPA's are going to get a chance to get reps outside the scout team (see Rhinehart).

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[quote=Dirtbag359;543918]Trade down and get Eben Britton. Then take a top rate Center or OLB with the next two picks. That would be a hell of a draft day for me. Of course they'll probably take some position that I don't expect them to take within their first two picks (3 if they trade down). I'm betting on S, CB, or WR. Then we get to hear the awesome BPA argument though I don't know when all these BPA's are going to get a chance to get reps outside the scout team (see Rhinehart).[/quote]

I agree about trading down and I think Britton would be a good selection, but I would like to see a olb or de with the gains on the trade down. Players that have young legs who can run around, hopefully creating havoc on the defensive end for us.