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[quote=The Goat;533535]Dude the question here is what we do if all top 4 OTs are gone and more importantly maybe what we're doing between now and draft day if the FO feels that is going to be the reality.

... my gut tells me Rey will be last really special talent left @ 13. I basically started to think we'd approach the draft this way by getting the best OT FA in Willis, load up on what DE talent we can, grab the damn punter everyone wants, and then we'd be well set to take Rey. Maybe it still happens this way i guess.

I ice cream is really good you guys... banana split :)[/quote]

Oh I see. Willis at RT? Ok that's cool. Orakpo and E Brown are going to the best DEs we can get in the draft. Rey is good. But there are a lot of guys that are good but not at his caliber at 13.

To be honest I'd rather have Orakpo because he gives us flexibility to run different packages at DE and OLB. Add Haynesworth moving around to DE every once in awhile and that's some scary sh*t.

For me I'd rather trade down to get Mack and then Mathews, Britton, or Loadholt. I highly doubt Mathews or Britton would be available but Loadholt might be. Even if we do get Willis I still think our O-line needs some youth. Mack, Britton, or Loadholt would be good youth infections for the future.

If A.Smith is there get him. There are a lot of guys who have not had good showings in the past that have pulled through. Did you see the pic of Brady at the combine? I wouldn't draft him for a soccer team. I wonder what all of the supermodels he knocked up were thinking? Oh yeah, Cha-ching $$$$

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;533556]Oh I see. Willis at RT? Ok that's cool. Orakpo and E Brown are going to the best DEs we can get in the draft. Rey is good. But there are a lot of guys that are good but not at his caliber at 13.

To be honest I'd rather have Orakpo because he gives us flexibility to run different packages at DE and OLB. Add Haynesworth moving around to DE every once in awhile and that's some scary sh*t.

For me I'd rather trade down to get Mack and then Mathews, Britton, or Loadholt. I highly doubt Mathews or Britton would be available but Loadholt might be. Even if we do get Willis I still think our O-line needs some youth. Mack, Britton, or Loadholt would be good youth infections for the future.

If A.Smith is there get him. There are a lot of guys who have not had good showings in the past that have pulled through. Did you see the pic of Brady at the combine? I wouldn't draft him for a soccer team. I wonder what all of the supermodels he knocked up were thinking? Oh yeah, Cha-ching $$$$[/quote]Just a week ago, I wanted to pass on Orakpo because he was too similar to Andre Carter.

Now I look at our DE situation, and see zero established depth, so Orakpo looks pretty nice if available.

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no way on gods green earth will orakpo slip too 13, I think he will go in the top 8. we are going oher smith or maluaga at 13.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533562]Just a week ago, I wanted to pass on Orakpo because he was too similar to Andre Carter.

Now I look at our DE situation, and see zero established depth, so Orakpo looks pretty nice if available.[/quote]

They've got something cooking. They can't let Taylor and Evans go and not have people they're looking at to replace them. Jackson, Montgomery, Golston, Wilson? Those guys are depth.
No, they must have some guys they're looking at getting in the draft. It has to be there because there isn't anyone else in FA that's better than Evans.

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[quote=GTripp0012;533542]The problem is that these teams are in the market for a franchise tackle:

1. Detroit
2. St. Louis
4. Seattle
6. Cincinnati
7. Oakland
8. Jacksonville
9. Green Bay

And with only four of them to go around, it's unlikely that any get past GB, or even Jacksonville for that matter.

Which means GB might go with Orakpo instead. And then Buffalo and Denver need linebackers...you get my drift.[/quote]

Oakland might take Crabtree, Jags like Harvin a lot, and Green Bay loves Jenkins

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[quote=GTripp0012;533534]Wait, if we say "If he plays 5 games in the state of Maryland, the contract becomes fully guarenteed", we screw ourselves.

Move the Redskins to DC. Then get Suggs.[/quote]

How about 1 game in Texas, 1 in Pa, and 1 in New York?
(course, baltimore probably plays, houston, pitt, and the jets :( )

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As much as we need OL this guy is a trap. He fought with Alabama Coach Nick Saban over doing work to prepare for the draft in the spring or playing in the Sugar Bowl vs. Utah. Ultimately, he was benched for this behavior. Then, this past month at the combine, he just left without telling anyone where he was. This guy has serious character issues. I would go for a guy like Michael Oher everyday over Andre Smith

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can we restructure jansen then so that we don't take a hit when we cut him??


And for all you TSuggs fans, if you really want a player like him we should get Larry English from Northern Illinois, he looks exactly like suggs

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personally I am hoping the skill players they project are picked where they are slotted..ahead of the thirteenth pick..I'd hate to see both Crabtree and one of the QBs freefall..

because if Rey Maualuga is there..isn't he the best fit?..he opens up options.
and they drafted offense last year

I like this over a drafting a DL and the risky roll of the dice a rookie D-lineman really is.. ..so few actually pan out..

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I wonder if Dockery's brother Cederic (I think)will be looked at?..some mock drafts don't even have him drafted..but he is interesting..and from a winning College background..at Texas..and has decent size

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[quote=Nflnick11;533832]can we restructure jansen then so that we don't take a hit when we cut him??
[/quote]
No. The release fee is $ 2.775M this year. After the season we can release him with a cap savings of $ 2.288M. The last thing we want to do is restructure Jansen.

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I think Maualuga will be a special player and would be worth our pick but as someone already said "it would be overkill."
We need help on the o-line. A tackle would be nice but I'm not sold on Andre Smith. He's already shown he doesn't have the make up to be a successful NFL football player. He was a top-3 pick and blew it.

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I would just like to fill in the holes somehow I just want to get a OL, LB & DE this offseason.

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at 13 we have alot of options. there will be a couple of nice top classed guys
available, and getting haynesworth and dockery shores up a few vital needs. we just need the outside pass rush on the line now.

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what if Crabtree fell? As much as we need help on the offensive and defensive lines, we'd be crazy not to consider picking him. Maybe more importantly, another team might want to trade up to draft him and swap us some picks so we can fill our holes.

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[quote=John Denny;534889]what if Crabtree fell? As much as we need help on the offensive and defensive lines, we'd be crazy not to consider picking him. Maybe more importantly, [B]another team might want to trade up to draft him and swap us some picks so we can fill our holes.[/B][/quote]

I would rather do this instead of getting Crabtree, besides we already have a young wideout with questionable health issues (Kelly).

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I'm all for trading down in general. We have so many positions to fill and we wont come close to doing so with only four picks. I think Crabtree may fall to us because of his injury and though it would be tempting to pick him because he is such a tremendous talent, we'd be better served by trading down to someone who wants him and is willing to pay and pay well.
It would be nice to trade back to 20-22 in the first and collect a 3rd and 4th (maybe 4th this year and 3rd in 2010) or a 4th and 5th this year.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;533975]I would just like to fill in the holes somehow I just want to get a OL, LB & DE this offseason.[/quote]
the issue is that many expect a starter.. and a dominant one at that, at those positions

emotions, heh

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[quote=Ruhskins;534892]I would rather do this instead of getting Crabtree, besides we already have a young wideout with questionable health issues (Kelly).[/quote]

While Crabtree is injured now, he is far from being an injury concern. Kelly we knew before the draft had poor knees and yet we still took him.

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Since it is apparrent that we're not going to sign a T in FA I think we have to get Andre Smith in the draft if he falls to us. I'd rather trade down and get Britton and Mack. Andre Smith has some issues but, if he's the best available at 13 and no one wants to trade down then I don't see any other choice if we're committed to getting a younger line.

The FO seems to want to get younger at this point but I don't see any of the younger O-line guys like Heyer or Rinehardt making an impact next season. We've plenty of dept at RT but I just think we need a stud there instead of an overacheiver. Jansen has held it down for years but even he knows the hand writing is on the wall.

On a totally unrealted note, I was sorting through some old cards to sell and guess who I came across? I've got Clay Mathews when he was with the Browns in 1991. This guy was built like a brick shit house. Will his son pick up weight and play like his daddy?

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[quote=Nflnick11;533832]can we restructure jansen then so that we don't take a hit when we cut him??


And for all you TSuggs fans, if you really want a player like him we should get Larry English from Northern Illinois, he looks exactly like suggs[/quote]

Now why would he do that?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;535031]Since it is apparrent that we're not going to sign a T in FA I think we have to get Andre Smith in the draft if he falls to us. I'd rather trade down and get Britton and Mack. Andre Smith has some issues but, if he's the best available at 13 and no one wants to trade down then I don't see any other choice if we're committed to getting a younger line.

The FO seems to want to get younger at this point but I don't see any of the younger O-line guys like Heyer or Rinehardt making an impact next season. We've plenty of dept at RT but I just think we need a stud there instead of an overacheiver. Jansen has held it down for years but even he knows the hand writing is on the wall.

On a totally unrealted note, I was sorting through some old cards to sell and guess who I came across?[B] I've got Clay Mathews when he was with the Browns in 1991. This guy was built like a brick shit house. Will his son pick up weight and play like his daddy[/B]?[/quote]
He definitely has some good genes. Clay is his daddy and Bruce is his uncle.

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[quote=RedskinMike;535035]Now why would he do that?[/quote]

that is a definite possibility if they trade the pick and move down..now that Jason Taylor is out of the picture..English has the tools

I'd love to see 2 picks after the first round if they can't land an immediate difference maker..let's face it..as Skins fans.. the future is always now
Tampa might be interested in a trade if Crabtree falls..they can afford to sign a couple of first rounders and by adding Crabtree.. McKnown will have some serious weapons


it's a good bet that a second will provide somebody that contributes and then the other third should provide some solid depth that will still leave some of Taylor's capspace... to take a flyer on another vet

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Anyone here have any thoughts on Robert Ayers?

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[quote=SmootSmack;535867]Anyone here have any thoughts on Robert Ayers?[/quote]

this is ugly..look at the negatives

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