Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Paintrain;535682]It's kind of REDECULES to even discuss at this point, but you've got to give them their rookie contract duration. I posted something similar to this right after the end of the season but would you advocate cutting players that posted 1st season stats that were as follows?

10 catches, 154 yards, 0 TD
29 catches, 446 yards, 3 TD
20 catches, 309 yards, 2 TD
3 catches, 59 yards, 0 TD
35 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD
2 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD
14 catches, 186 yards, 0 TD
3 catches, 31 yards, 1 TD

If so, then you just released Steve Smith, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Terrell Owens, Santana Moss, Derrick Mason and Donald Driver. That would be more than 1/3 of the top 15 WR in the league (statistically) from last year and 8 of the top 20. Even Vinny ain't that dumb.[/quote]


Nice stats! How long did it take for you to dig those up? Kelly and Thomas will be here for at least through the end of their contract. Can't judge how a guy is going to turn out by a rookie season like you perfectly pointed out with these stats. If they don't cut the mustard just don't resign them. By that time they should be producing, so the issue will be moot hopefully. I just hope Kelly gets healthy and stays that way unlike Taylor Jacobs, a total waste of cap space.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;535695]Out of all the players on that list, only Santana Moss and Roddy White were drafted above the third round.

I think it's way too early to just throw in the towel on our second rounders, but you could and should say that the rookie years were a colossal disappointment, and that (for a diverse set of reasons), none of the players we drafted last year could handle being a fourth option in an NFL offense, which means their behind schedule.[/quote]

Yeah, I agree with this. Also our offensive line has to improve to the point where we can specifically determine if Thomas or Kelly are the weak spots in our offense.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;535695]Out of all the players on that list, only Santana Moss and Roddy White were drafted above the third round.

I think it's way too early to just throw in the towel on our second rounders, but you could and should say that the rookie years were a colossal disappointment, and that (for a diverse set of reasons), none of the players we drafted last year could handle being a fourth option in an NFL offense, which means their behind schedule.[/quote]

I agree man. Also, I'd like to know what the coaches and teammates were saying about those guys from the list, in regards to their work ethic.....for instance, I doubt that guys like Steve Smith and T.O. were ever known as slackers..... If Devin Thomas has a poor work ethic, why didn't we know this before we drafted him?

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;535709]Nice stats! How long did it take for you to dig those up? Kelly and Thomas will be here for at least through the end of their contract. Can't judge how a guy is going to turn out by a rookie season like you perfectly pointed out with these stats. If they don't cut the mustard just don't resign them. By that time they should be producing, so the issue will be moot hopefully. I just hope Kelly gets healthy and stays that way unlike Taylor Jacobs, a total waste of cap space.[/quote]

About 10 minutes sitting on a conference call while surfing NFL.com. That's the funny thing, people are so quick to complain about things without any realistic perspective. It took no time to gain some comparisons to successful vets and show that 1st year production means zip as a career predictor.

Sure they were a disappointment, but they were rookies, with a rookie head coach, rookie play caller and a QB without experience in the system, what the hell did people expect?

As to the comment about Michigan State WR, didn't Plaxico go there?

As to the comment about their draft status, when did draft position become commensurate to production? Since Marques Colston was a 7th rounder should that be the standard for all rookie WR?

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

Well if they have the same numbers as last year than there is a pretty good chance that Zorn is gone and they will be learning a new system. So all of us need significant production out of them.

I would think that combined they need to produce like a #1 receiver so approximately 1000-1200 yards and 10 tds should be doable.

I would also like Fred Davis to get some balls. He may be the most talented out of the 3.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SBXVII;535635][B]The team needs to play to it's individual strengths also.[/B] If Thomas is nothing but a run straight down the field type of player then they need to utilize that. Send him on speed routes. I know Moss is currently doing that but teams will be baffled as to double teaming Moss and covering Thomas. Then use either Randel El or Kelly on other routes.

If it takes 2-3 yrs for a WR to develope and come into his own, which people are saying of two possible 1st rounders in Kelly and Thomas, then why didn't we keep some of the other WR's we had last yr to develope them? Heck I went on NFL.com and checked the WR's and I can only find McMullen who is available. [/quote]

Good points sir... I think it's especially true of Devin cuz his athletic ability is off the charts but we need to find a way to get the ball in his hands. Getting both guys a ton of reps in pre-season is key too, but even then I think Zorn will have to be a little creative to get Devin the ball. It will be worth it. Also wrt Devin if he's not going to start at WR this year (and I doubt he will) he should be strongly, strongly considered for KR/PR IMO. Again we have to find a way to exploit his physical gifts.

I think Kelly is a simpler case. If his knee(s) hold up he will be productive for us this year no question about it.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;535634]The press doesnt own the redskins - daniel snyder does. The only person Cerrato and Zorn really need to please is him.[/quote]

Perhaps. But, I think Vinny should be held accountable for these picks. Those three 2nd rounders represent the best accumulation of picks the Skins have had or will likely have for some time. Those picks could have made a huge difference. If he is seen to have ****ed the dog at that critical moment, he is going out.

If we are supppossed to sit around for the entire lengths of these contracts making excuses and saying, "This week will be the week...blah, blah, blah..." then count me out. I expect each to catch at least 40 passes THIS SEASON.

You can't play in the man's game. You can't catch them. Go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life. Get open and catch passes for First Downs and Touchdowns. You hear me you ****ing faggots. A, B, C. Always Be Catching. Always Be Catching.

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Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=70Chip;535727]Perhaps. But, I think Vinny should be held accountable for these picks. Those three 2nd rounders represent the best accumulation of picks the Skins have had or will likely have for some time. Those picks could have made a huge difference. If he is seen to have ****ed the dog at that critical moment, he is going out.

If we are supppossed to sit around for the entire lengths of these contracts making excuses and saying, "This week will be the week...blah, blah, blah..." then count me out. I expect each to catch at least 40 passes THIS SEASON.

You can't play in the man's game. You can't catch them. Go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life. Get open and catch passes for First Downs and Touchdowns. You hear me you ****ing faggots. A, B, C. Always Be Catching. Always Be Catching.[/quote]

40 catches each huh? And how many for Moss, Randle El, and Cooley?

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=70Chip;535727]Perhaps. But, I think Vinny should be held accountable for these picks. Those three 2nd rounders represent the best accumulation of picks the Skins have had or will likely have for some time. Those picks could have made a huge difference. If he is seen to have ****ed the dog at that critical moment, he is going out.

If we are supppossed to sit around for the entire lengths of these contracts making excuses and saying, "This week will be the week...blah, blah, blah..." then count me out. I expect each to catch at least 40 passes THIS SEASON.

[B]You can't play in the man's game. You can't catch them. Go home and tell your wife your troubles. Because only one thing counts in this life. Get open and catch passes for First Downs and Touchdowns. You hear me you ****ing faggots. A, B, C. Always Be Catching. Always Be Catching[/B].[/quote]

Nice Glengarry Glen Ross reference. Alec Baldwin is still the man.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

4 games, and they both better have atleast one TD catch by then

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;535728]calm down with the language

40 catches each huh? And how many for Moss, Randle El, and Cooley?[/quote]


You worried they can't catch 40 passes? Have I set the bar too high? Are you worried they can't get on the field ahead of Moss and Randle-El? Then why did we draft them? Hell they can't get on the field ahead of Thrash.

And sorry about the language I was paraphrasing a character from a film. I figured that if Alec Baldwin can say it, it must be okay.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=70Chip;535732]You worried they can't catch 40 passes? Have I set the bar too high? Are you worried they can't get on the field ahead of Moss and Randle-El? Then why did we draft them? Hell they can't get on the field ahead of Thrash.

And sorry about the language I was paraphrasing a character from a film. I figured that if Alec Baldwin can say it, it must be okay.[/quote]

I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;535733]I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)[/quote]

This is what I don't get. Why did we spend two high draft picks on #3 and #4 receivers? We already had #3 and #4 receivers. With their size and athleticism, one of them should be the #1 receiver. When they chosen, I don't remember anyone saying, "Good. We finally have those #3 and #4 receivers, we've been wanting". No. The talk was all about how Santana would handle being demoted.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;535733]I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)[/quote]

From his comments i think the point is kelly and thomas should be passing thrash and randel in the depth chart. So by seasons end if these guys arent the 2nd and 3rd option something is wrong. Them maturing and campbell being in the second year of the same offense we can expect those numbers.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

moss 60 cooley 80 - that's only 140 between them. if el gets 60 and kelley/thomas get 40 each, that's 280 completions... hopefully one or both displace el though, cause he's not a good #2.

if one moves to #2 then it should be easy to do, since el will have to give up catches from the above example. we'll see though.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;535733]I don't know the actual numbers but how often do the #3 and #4 receivers each get 40 catches. (I'm working under the assumption that Moss and Cooley are essentially 1 and 2)[/quote]

So where would Randle El fit in? I don't think anyone should expect Moss, Cooley, Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El to all be real contributors. Moss and Cooley of course. The other three? We shall see. Don't forget Zorn has repeatedly said he really wants to get Fred Davis involved too.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GMScud;535745]So where would Randle El fit in? I don't think anyone should expect Moss, Cooley, Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El to all be real contributors. Moss and Cooley of course. The other three? We shall see. Don't forget Zorn has repeatedly said he really wants to get Fred Davis involved too.[/quote]

Thats kind of the point, Randel El will no longer be used if the young guys improve. If only Moss could return all the punts too...

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GMScud;535745]So where would Randle El fit in? I don't think anyone should expect Moss, Cooley, Thomas, Kelly, and Randle El to all be real contributors. Moss and Cooley of course. The other three? We shall see. Don't forget Zorn has repeatedly said he really wants to get Fred Davis involved too.[/quote]

Does anyone else realize that Randle-El set a career high in receptions and TD last year? We're going to see a drop in his production but he's not going to fall to 20 catches while Thomas, Kelly and Davis spring to 40 catches each.

I know that's not what you were saying but since you brought up ARE I thought this was an appropriate spot to point that out.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Paintrain;535682]It's kind of REDECULES to even discuss at this point, but you've got to give them their rookie contract duration. I posted something similar to this right after the end of the season but would you advocate cutting players that posted 1st season stats that were as follows?

10 catches, 154 yards, 0 TD
29 catches, 446 yards, 3 TD
20 catches, 309 yards, 2 TD
3 catches, 59 yards, 0 TD
35 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD
2 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD
14 catches, 186 yards, 0 TD
3 catches, 31 yards, 1 TD

If so, then you just released Steve Smith, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson, Terrell Owens, Santana Moss, Derrick Mason and Donald Driver. That would be more than 1/3 of the top 15 WR in the league (statistically) from last year and 8 of the top 20. Even Vinny ain't that dumb.[/quote]

Excellent job with these stats.

To answer the question, "To cut or not to cut," one must ask "why?" regarding production. If Kelly and Thomas are still developing, then you need to keep 'em until after 2010 at least. Many wide receivers don't really develop until their 3rd year, including folks on the list above. It would be a waste not to give them that kind of patience.

Then again, if the problem is with knees that just don't seem to get better - like possibly Kelly - then that is a problem which patience won't fix. The good news here was reported earlier in this thread - that Kelly's knees, for now, are holding up.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Zerohero;535748]Thats kind of the point, Randel El will no longer be used if the young guys improve. If only Moss could return all the punts too...[/quote]

Keep in mind that Randle El restructured his contract this past offseason along with Andre Carter.

He got a new signing bonus and a longer contract to lessen his number against the cap. That means management believes he'll be used in this offense for the next two or three years and not just for punts.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Zerohero;535748]Thats kind of the point, Randel El will no longer be used if the young guys improve. If only Moss could return all the punts too...[/quote]

Maybe ARE would be a better punt returner if that were his only job.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=70Chip;535736]This is what I don't get. Why did we spend two high draft picks on #3 and #4 receivers? We already had #3 and #4 receivers. With their size and athleticism, one of them should be the #1 receiver. When they chosen, I don't remember anyone saying, "Good. We finally have those #3 and #4 receivers, we've been wanting". No. The talk was all about how Santana would handle being demoted.[/quote]
They are only expected to be #3 and #4 receivers this year. Hopefully one of them will be able to become a #1, but most likely it is not going to happen this year. It takes time.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=70Chip;535736]This is what I don't get. Why did we spend two high draft picks on #3 and #4 receivers? We already had #3 and #4 receivers. With their size and athleticism, one of them should be the #1 receiver. When they chosen, I don't remember anyone saying, "Good. We finally have those #3 and #4 receivers, we've been wanting". No. The talk was all about how Santana would handle being demoted.[/quote]

Well, I don't know that we needed to add essentially three WRs. But I think the goal was to get a strong #2 to enhance Moss' presence as the #1 WR. That said, I personally think the should move Moss out of here a year too early rather than a year too late.

But I sort of envision (hope?) that this season, by the end of the first month, Kelly is firmly entrenched as the #2 WR. Sort of like the Keyshawn Johnson type that gets a lot of key catches, while DT is the gamebreaker. Not as many catches, but big plays.

Thrash should be gone. And yeah I have no idea where ARE falls into it all. And that doesn't even take into account Cooley or Davis...or Portis for that matter.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;535768]Well, I don't know that we needed to add essentially three WRs. But I think the goal was to get a strong #2 to enhance Moss' presence as the #1 WR. That said, I personally think the should move Moss out of here a year too early rather than a year too late.

But I sort of envision (hope?) that this season, by the end of the first month, Kelly is firmly entrenched as the #2 WR. Sort of like the Keyshawn Johnson type that gets a lot of key catches, while DT is the gamebreaker. Not as many catches, but big plays.

Thrash should be gone. And yeah I have no idea where ARE falls into it all. And that doesn't even take into account Cooley or Davis...or Portis for that matter.[/quote]

I hope they both turn out to be great. I hope you get to rub it in my face because if they do play well, we will be a solid team. To me, WR was by far our greatest weakness. If we could have averaged 24 or 25 points a game last year(which is good but not great), we would have won 11 or 12 easily. Maybe more.

I agree about Thrash. I hate to see him go, but if he's still here next season, it's a bad sign.

As for Moss, I think he has a couple of seasons left, IF he is not the primary weapon. If you have another threat at WR, Moss has the potential to blow up at any time because of single coverage. He's still has explosiveness. It might allow him to be healthier and fresher for the end of the season.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

GTripp will argue ARE's contributions big time.

Thrash is true leader. In fact, it's my understanding that Thrash and ARE are the two biggest spiritual leaders on the team. I get it that on the field production is ultimately what matters, but I think it losing Thrash and eventually ARE will hurt the locker room.

It's an interesting topic really. Gibbs was all about the locker room. Our best leaders are arguably Randy Thomas, James Thrash, ARE, and Fletcher. All of those guys are nearing the end of their tenures with the Redskins I think. We're going to need some new leaders to emerge sooner rather than later.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Zerohero;535737]From his comments i think the point is kelly and thomas should be passing thrash and randel in the depth chart. So by seasons end if these guys arent the 2nd and 3rd option something is wrong. Them maturing and campbell being in the second year of the same offense we can expect those numbers.[/quote]
Bingo! That is what they were brought in to do... Time to step up boys...

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Lotus;535761]Maybe ARE would be a better punt returner if that were his only job.[/quote]
Not likely.. ARE is done as a punt returner, mark my words, D. Thomas or the new kid from the cfl is the wave of the future.. I really like ARE as a Skin but his days are numbered.. don't count on him to be here after this season.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Redskin Jim;535817]Not likely.. ARE is done as a punt returner, mark my words, D. Thomas or the new kid from the cfl is the wave of the future.. I really like ARE as a Skin but his days are numbered.. don't count on him to be here after this season.[/quote]

I don't disagree with you about the other options for punt returner. I was simply pointing to history - ARE was a better returner when that was his main job.

Personally I'd like to see what Devin Thomas can do. And let's face it, they didn't bring that boy from the CFL for nothing.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Lotus;535818]I don't disagree with you about the other options for punt returner. I was simply pointing to history - ARE was a better returner when that was his main job.

Personally I'd like to see what Devin Thomas can do. And let's face it, they didn't bring that boy from the CFL for nothing.[/quote]
Agreed. I think that Zorn needs to put the young guys in a possition to grow and succeed.. By that I mean play them. There WILL be mistakes, but, that is how they will learn their roles and progress..

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Redskin Jim;535820]Agreed. I think that Zorn needs to put the young guys in a possition to grow and succeed.. By that I mean play them. There WILL be mistakes, but, that is how they will learn their roles and progress..[/quote]

You are correct. There will be mistakes.

But there also might be a Devin Thomas dance in that new end zone in Dallas. :lol:

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;535768]Well, I don't know that we needed to add essentially three WRs. But I think the goal was to get a strong #2 to enhance Moss' presence as the #1 WR. That said, I personally think the should move Moss out of here a year too early rather than a year too late.

But I sort of envision (hope?) that this season, by the end of the first month, Kelly is firmly entrenched as the #2 WR. Sort of like the Keyshawn Johnson type that gets a lot of key catches, while DT is the gamebreaker. Not as many catches, but big plays.

Thrash should be gone. And yeah I have no idea where ARE falls into it all. And that doesn't even take into account Cooley or Davis...or Portis for that matter.[/quote]The fact that we didn't try to extend Santana's deal is pretty damning evidence to the fact that the team is leaving their options open if not actively shopping him though.

I thought he might yield a second round pick, but next year will be his age 30 season, and the market is absolutely flooded with veteran WRs, most of which are more consistent and less injury prone than Moss.

So with that said, its hard for me to see a situation where we get fair value for Moss, at least before the draft. If anything, a draft day deal seems most likely.

The fact that Golston got the 2nd round tender makes it really obvious that they intend to deal him at some point this offseason.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;535827]The fact that we didn't try to extend Santana's deal is pretty damning evidence to the fact that the team is leaving their options open if not actively shopping him though.

I thought he might yield a second round pick, but next year will be his age 30 season, and the market is absolutely flooded with veteran WRs, most of which are more consistent and less injury prone than Moss.

So with that said, its hard for me to see a situation where we get fair value for Moss, at least before the draft. If anything, a draft day deal seems most likely.

The fact that Golston got the 2nd round tender makes it really obvious that they intend to deal him at some point this offseason.[/quote]

Well New England did trade a 5th round pick for Greg Lewis. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Santana Moss is much better than Greg Lewis (who's the same age as Santana) and would be worth a higher round pick. Now at this point I don't think he should be traded of course.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

Um, good point. Greg Lewis is trash.

Belichick is up to something. Maybe he just wants to prove to Reid that even a team with Greg Lewis on it can win the super bowl?

Quick, without looking it up: Name Greg Lewis' college receiving corps partner

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;535840]Um, good point. Greg Lewis is trash.

Belichick is up to something. Maybe he just wants to prove to Reid that even a team with Greg Lewis on it can win the super bowl?

Quick, without looking it up: Name Greg Lewis' college receiving corps partner[/quote]

Honestly I don't know what he's up to, because they could've waited until Torry Holt got released.

A few threads back somebody was saying that the Lions are not dumb enough to trade their second 1st rounder (#20) and their 2nd rounder for our #13...well now that I've seen this Greg Lewis trade, I think anything is possible.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

I understand that the Rams offense has been a giant vortex of suck over the last two years, but I must say that Torry Holt's days of being a great, or even an average NFL receiver are in the past. He can't get off a jam to save his life, and he's just not blazing fast anymore, which makes the fact that he's never been a great route runner more obvious.

Holt still has fantastic hands, so somebody will find a place for him, but he doesn't really change the dynamic of your receiving corps, and hopefully, won't be paid like such. He'd be a really interesting slot receiver, but I'm wondering how his ego would take that.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;535845]I understand that the Rams offense has been a giant vortex of suck over the last two years, but I must say that Torry Holt's days of being a great, or even an average NFL receiver are in the past. He can't get off a jam to save his life, and he's just not blazing fast anymore, which makes the fact that he's never been a great route runner more obvious.

Holt still has fantastic hands, so somebody will find a place for him, but he doesn't really change the dynamic of your receiving corps, and hopefully, won't be paid like such. He'd be a really interesting slot receiver, but I'm wondering how his ego would take that.[/quote]

Well the Pats were not looking for a #1 or #2 (Moss and Welker are doing that already), but I could've seen him as their #3 receiver. Holt may have pulled a Springs and play cheap for the chance of a title as well. Honestly, I don't see Holt as a #2 receiver anywhere as well, but I could see him here as a replacement for Thrash.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

Let's see what happens you bitches? Mr. Thomas? Mr. Kelly? Bitches..........

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Bill B;535570]OK - lets say the Skins get the same type of production out of Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly this year as they did last. At some point potential has to turn into production and if these two have similar seasons like they did last year how much longer do you keep them on the roster? I know many say WR's need a couple of seasons to develop so I am curious as to how long do the Skins wait for them to produce - 2 years, 3 years, 4 or more?[/quote]

linking them together is a real mistake..Kelly was hurt..and Thomas improved like a 2nd round receiver..since when do rookies contribute at wideout?..Desean Jackson at Philly caught almost every pass on the same damn McNabb scramble play where he slanted across every seam and was the safety valve..on third down..and he dropped a mess of passes

when will the Skins get some consistent production at QB?...so we can adequately judge the rest of the Offense..people blast our O-linemen and our receiver corp..when it is Jason that plays like he thinks he is still in the SEC

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=terpsez11;535877]linking them together is a real mistake..Kelly was hurt..and Thomas improved like a 2nd round receiver..since when do rookies contribute at wideout?..Desean Jackson at Philly caught almost every pass on the same damn McNabb scramble play where he slanted across every seam and was the safety valve..on third down..and he dropped a mess of passes

when will the Skins get some consistent production at QB?...so we can adequately judge the rest of the Offense..people blast our O-linemen and our receiver corp..when it is Jason that plays like he thinks he is still in the SEC[/quote]

DeSean Jackson also gave up a TD by spiking the ball before he was in the end zone.

Re: How long do you keep Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly if they don't produce?
 

[quote=Lotus;535883]DeSean Jackson also gave up a TD by spiking the ball before he was in the end zone.[/quote]

I wasn't trashing Jackson..the Eagles were so desperate at Wideout they had to rush the kid..something Zorn didn't have to do with Antwaan and Santana


if all things remain the same..DeSean will no doubt be a standout..but we would definitely be leary and scrutinizing any receiver that dropped as many balls