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[quote=The Goat;540419]Sort of discredits our coaches on offense don't you think? Over the last few drafts OTs taken in the top 15 have been able to start on day 1 and some have even had remarkable success. I mean the Rinehart situation makes me uneasy... a guy they draft in the 3rd can't even dress as a rookie. But 1st round OT talent, especially early 1st round OT talent, should make it harder to "miss" right?

More generally I think players drafted early in the 1st ought to make an immediate impact, w/ the exception of most rookie QBs. If a player drafted that high can't start right away something has gone very wrong IMO, whether it's at the player or coaching level.[/quote]

I agree with you, but I would say WR is the other position outside of QB, that makes for the toughest transition to the pros. Very few WR's make an immediate impact. This could explain why our early 2nd rounders didn't see much action last year.

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I'm hoping Brian Orakpo will still be on the board. Just look at the guy, he is a beast.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZTelDHwUwY&feature=related]YouTube - DE Brian Orakpo Highlights Texas 2008[/ame]


If we don't get a DE in the first round. I would love to make Lawrence Sidbury a Redskin.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPydgMoTs04]YouTube - Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond Spiders' DE at FCS finals[/ame]

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We'd all love to have Orakpo but he'll be gone. We've DEs for this year and could pick up a Buzbee caliber type player with undrafted guys.

Sidbury is another story. I agree he is a good guy to pick up but will he be able to play the position for years to come? He's not a high round pick even though his stock has risen on many websites and around the draft conversations currently going on. Magazine had him as a late rounder months ago so he's worthy of a pick and could probably get him.

That would fill the glaring need that I started this thread over. Since Vinny said in his rescent interview, or implied, that RT was Heyers to lose, we can only assume that the O-line is going to be addressed in another way. This could also signal that they are going to get a OLB with the 13th.

It'd be a wasted endeavor to speculate what they're really going to do. As much as many bad mouth him, Vinny isn't stupid. I don't think he's going to broadcast the team's intentions to the league.

With our recent additions and with the signing of Wynn and (Daniels (Rumor)) the need is OLB. Yes we do need O-line help, but if we had to play today we'd be short an OLB. So who do we get? Do we wait for the draft? Do we pick up a FA? Are there any quality guys left?

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As it stands right now. Some of these guys are camp fodder but most have played for us or we're scheduled to play and have been signed. I've placed these guys here according to who I think is going to do what next season; it's not official. I have left out a few guys who I think they might cut (Thrash).

LWR: Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly
TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Todd Yoder
LT: Chris Samuels, Devon Clark
LG: Derrick Dockery, Chad Rhinehardt
C: Casey Raback, Will Montgomery
RG: Randy Thomas, Anthony Batiste
RT: Stephon Heyer, John Jansen
RWR: Antwaan Randal El, Devon Thomas
QB: Jason Campbell, Colt Brennan, Todd Collins
FB: Mike Sellers
RB: Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright

CB: DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot, Byron Westbrook
LDE: Rynaldo Wynn, Rob Jackson, Alex Buzbee
LDT: Cornelius Griffin, Lorenzo Alexander
RDT: Albert Haynesworth, Antony Montgomery
RDE: Andre Carter, Chris Wilson
CB: Carlos Rogers, Justin Tryon
[U]LOLB: Alfred Fincher ?[/U]
ILB: London Fletcher, H.B. Blades
[U]ROLB: Rocky McIntosh, Tyson Smith?[/U]
SS: Laron Landry, Mike Green
FS: Chris Horton, Reed Doughty, Kareem Moore

KR: Rock Cartwright, Devon Thomas, Malcolm Kelly
K: Suan Suisham, H: Zac Atterberry
P: Zac Atterberry
LS: Ethan Albright
PR: Malcolm Kelly, Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly

Feel free to chop it up if you see a f-up.

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[quote=vallin21;539956]Our Glaring need is LDE. At 13 there is at least 1 guy that will fall to us (Maybin, Jackson, Orakpo) in which we will get value and need[/quote]

you're dreaming if you think orakpo will be around at 13 - the top ot's will be gone, trade down in the draft and build depth on both lines. Everyone is yelling about ot being a huge need, sure but are the skins looking for a starter this year?? no, chris samuels is fine for this year, stephon heyer played really well when he stayed true to form (watch the tape), Rhinehart has been getting better after getting reps with the starters. BUILD DEPTH!!! please...dont throw a ton of money who has a 75-80% chance of being grossly overpaid/bust.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;540444]As it stands right now. Some of these guys are camp fodder but most have played for us or we're scheduled to play and have been signed. I've placed these guys here according to who I think is going to do what next season; it's not official. I have left out a few guys who I think they might cut (Thrash).

LWR: Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly
TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Todd Yoder
LT: Chris Samuels, Devon Clark
LG: Derrick Dockery, Chad Rhinehardt
C: Casey Raback, Will Montgomery
RG: Randy Thomas, Anthony Batiste
RT: Stephon Heyer, John Jansen
RWR: Antwaan Randal El, Devon Thomas
QB: Jason Campbell, [b]Colt Brennan, Todd Collins[/b]
FB: Mike Sellers
RB: Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright

CB: DeAngelo Hall, Fred Smoot, Byron Westbrook
LDE: [b]Rynaldo Wynn, Rob Jackson, Alex Buzbee[/b]
LDT: Cornelius Griffin, Lorenzo Alexander
RDT: Albert Haynesworth, Antony Montgomery
RDE: Andre Carter, Chris Wilson
CB: Carlos Rogers, Justin Tryon
[U]LOLB: Alfred Fincher ?[/U]
ILB: London Fletcher, H.B. Blades
[U]ROLB: Rocky McIntosh, Tyson Smith?[/U]
SS: Laron Landry, Mike Green
FS: Chris Horton, Reed Doughty, Kareem Moore

KR: Rock Cartwright, Devon Thomas, Malcolm Kelly
K: Suan Suisham, H: Zac Atterberry
P: Zac Atterberry
LS: Ethan Albright
PR: [b]Malcolm Kelly, Santana Moss, Malcolm Kelly [/b]

Feel free to chop it up if you see a f-up.[/quote]

I don't see Brennan overtaking Collins as the backup this season. We are about to re-sign Daniels for LDE. Since when is Kelly a return man? You've got him on KR and PR (twice). Did you mean Thomas in one of those spots?

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We need to sign a strong side linebacker.

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[quote=Paintrain;540483]I don't see Brennan overtaking Collins as the backup this season. We are about to re-sign Daniels for LDE. Since when is Kelly a return man? You've got him on KR and PR (twice). Did you mean Thomas in one of those spots?[/quote]

As I said, if you see something that you don't agree with then change it how you see fit. Kelly or was it the other WR needs to be a return man because the other option is James Thrash. Daniels isn't resigned yet.
You miss my point even though you knowingly or unknowingly reinforced it. We have plenty of DEs now and the glaring need / hole is OLB.

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good post. i agree.

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Taking a break from all the Cutler hoopla, here's an update from JLC on Marcus Washington. I do hope we get him back for cheap. While this would not solve our LB problems, it could definitely put us in a better position.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/kendall-campbell-khary-that-is.html]Redskins Insider - Kendall, K. Campbell, Washington Updates[/url]

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Thanks for the update Ruhskins. :food-smil

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People seem to have forgotten how terrible our offense looked last year, and aside from Dock, we haven't done one thing to improve it. I would draft as many quality O-lineman as possible. I'd love an LB like Clint Sintim from UVA, but rather get a starting caliber OT and G/C. I'd be OK with letting Blades handle the SLB position this year, and then draft a monster next year. Blache has more to work with at this point than Buges, and if the offense doesn't progress significantly this year, look out.

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[quote=GTripp0012;539977]I was working on this when this thread began. Pretty sure I said, awesome.

[URL="http://redskinshogheaven.com/2009/03/available-free-agents-and-ten-over-specified-redskins-needs.html"]Available Free Agents and Ten Over-Specified Redskins Needs - Hog Heaven[/URL][/quote]

I love your #4...WR. I had Ramses Barden in mind. I honestly hope Kelly and Thomas end up working out for us and catching a lot of balls but to have someone who is 6'-6" able to go after the jump balls or corner endzone passes would be awsome. They say he's not a speedster so he will not push out Kelly or Thomas and they say he needs to refine his route running so he would be someone we could work with to develope and utilize perhaps on field goals to help block(maybe his height will enable him to swat opponants kicks) and maybe as a possession WR in the endzone.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;541033]People seem to have forgotten how terrible our offense looked last year, and aside from Dock, we haven't done one thing to improve it. I would draft as many quality O-lineman as possible. I'd love an LB like Clint Sintim from UVA, but rather get a starting caliber OT and G/C. I'd be OK with letting Blades handle the SLB position this year, and then draft a monster next year. Blache has more to work with at this point than Buges, and if the offense doesn't progress significantly this year, look out.[/quote]

I love the idea of drafting as many O-lineman as possible but by all accounts after the top 1-3 players there is a significant drop off in talent. Meaning they probably will not be starters unless a team really has no talent there. Most will need maybe a yr under their belt prior to starting. Aside from that I truly wonder if RT is drafted if they would immediatly start them. Jansen is getting old and worn down but is a good back up. Heyer was the starter last yr only cause he beat out Jansen, but if you think a rookie is going to come in and out perform a 3rd yr RT with as many starts as Heyer has and know the system and call better then Heyer I would say you might be crazy.

I could be wrong. I see Heyer as starter no matter what and if he goes down then perhaps if the rookie is better then Jansen then they would go in. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Heyer is all that just saying Heyer has 3yrs under his belt and the game should be slowing down for him because he's up to NFL speed and it would be his second yr in the same offense so he knows the play calls.

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[quote=SBXVII;541160]I love the idea of drafting as many O-lineman as possible but by all accounts after the top 1-3 players there is a significant drop off in talent. Meaning they probably will not be starters unless a team really has no talent there. Most will need maybe a yr under their belt prior to starting. Aside from that I truly wonder if RT is drafted if they would immediatly start them. Jansen is getting old and worn down but is a good back up. Heyer was the starter last yr only cause he beat out Jansen, but if you think a rookie is going to come in and out perform a 3rd yr RT with as many starts as Heyer has and know the system and call better then Heyer I would say you might be crazy.

I could be wrong. I see Heyer as starter no matter what and if he goes down then perhaps if the rookie is better then Jansen then they would go in. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Heyer is all that just saying Heyer has 3yrs under his belt and the game should be slowing down for him because he's up to NFL speed and it would be his second yr in the same offense so he knows the play calls.[/quote]

I must be crazy then cause I can easily see a solid rookie (one of the top 5 or 6 in the draft at the position) taking the job from Heyer and Jansen. I don't know how many teams either of those guys could start for, but it can't be more than a couple.

O line is typically a position where good rookies can come in and play right away. There are countless examples, but ATl. got a good one w/our 21st pick last year in Sam Baker. And he started all year at LT for them.

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[quote=freddyg12;541170]I must be crazy then cause I can easily see a solid rookie (one of the top 5 or 6 in the draft at the position) taking the job from Heyer and Jansen. I don't know how many teams either of those guys could start for, but it can't be more than a couple.

O line is typically a position where good rookies can come in and play right away. There are countless examples, but ATl. got a good one w/our 21st pick last year in Sam Baker. And he started all year at LT for them.[/quote]

Baker started 5 games last year (played 8)

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[quote=SmootSmack;541179]Baker started 5 games last year (played 8)[/quote]

Ouch, pwned

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[quote=SmootSmack;541179]Baker started 5 games last year (played 8)[/quote]

Right, but didn't he have back surgery that caused him to miss a huge chunk of games? He probably would have been a regular starter if not for injury from my understanding.

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I think the center position is being over-looked. I mean I hope it was just a rough season for Casey. Anyway the guys on nfl radio were really talking up caldwell from alabama. And also said he could drop to the 3rd round. Would you take him there?

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[quote=GMScud;541209]Right, but didn't he have back surgery that caused him to miss a huge chunk of games? He probably would have been a regular starter if not for injury from my understanding.[/quote]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that he didn't start all year at LT for them

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[quote=SmootSmack;541236]Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that he didn't start all year at LT for them[/quote]

SS, let me ask you something. If they couldn't trade down and with the way the roster is right now, who do you think they would draft? I'm saying it would be the best OLB available, either Cushing or Maualuga?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;541252]SS, let me ask you something. If they couldn't trade down and with the way the roster is right now, who do you think they would draft? I'm saying it would be the best OLB available, either Cushing or Maualuga?[/quote]

Probably Michael Oher or Clay Matthews

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[quote=SmootSmack;541274]Probably Michael Oher or Clay Matthews[/quote]

Both of these guys are intriguing prospects. Oher could turn out to be one of the best and Matthews works hard, is versatile, and has good pass rushing skills.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541274]Probably Michael Oher or Clay Matthews[/quote]

I could live with that.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;541575]I could live with that.[/quote]

Where u been trample...we no longer have a 1st round pick to spend on either guy ;)

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I think that in Blache's system we look for the run enough that maybe a rookie DE won't have much of an impact in the first year or 3, unless we definitely decide to let a young guy at the QB as he wills (and then you have half of the line let loose basically)

I know that DE is questionable, but it has been for awhile and somehow we've managed to live with that. I think that the glaring need is obviously on the front line, if ours could stay healthy, you'd definitely see a decent line.. I'd like to see Portis have to pass block less though.. and I guess we're a bit old and thin at LB, but like DE, I think that we could scoot by like we have been.. it's basically what position do we want to upgrade this year with youth.. and which we want to put off

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[quote=The Goat;541578]Where u been trample...we no longer have a 1st round pick to spend on either guy ;)[/quote]

Speaking of missing people, shouldn't BHA have posted like ten 500-word posts in the Cutler threads by now?

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[quote=Ruhskins;541589]Speaking of missing people, shouldn't BHA have posted like ten 500-word posts in the Cutler threads by now?[/quote]

:laughing2 Good shit man. Something tells me BHA will be a big supporter of a Cutler deal.

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[quote=The Goat;541578]Where u been trample...we no longer have a 1st round pick to spend on either guy ;)[/quote]

You guys are BSing me right? That Cutler thing isn't for real, right?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;541620]You guys are BSing me right? That Cutler thing isn't for real, right?[/quote]

Jeez look around man. Snyder, Cerrato and Zorn had a circle jerk for like 8 straight hours today in the little man's office. This shit is super cereal!!!

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[quote=The Goat;541625]Jeez look around man. Snyder, Cerrato and Zorn had a circle jerk for like 8 straight hours today in the little man's office. This shit is super cereal!!![/quote]

is it half man-bear, half cutler.. or half cutler man, half bear?

is he going to chicago? or is there a hogs reunion in which cutler-bear will reign supreme?

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[quote=tryfuhl;541641]is it half man-bear, half cutler.. or half cutler man, half bear?

is he going to chicago? or is there a hogs reunion in which cutler-bear will reign supreme?[/quote]

:laughing- I think it's a cutler-bear-pig.

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[quote=The Goat;541644]:laughing- I think it's a cutler-bear-pig.[/quote]
are you super cereal?

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hmm...roster glaring need...OT, OLB?...nah...try QB..
Someone must have slipped me crazy pills or something!

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Just thought I'd mention here that the Raiders have signed Ryan Boschetti....we're screwed :(

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[quote=SmootSmack;541839]Just thought I'd mention here that the Raiders have signed Ryan Boschetti....we're screwed :([/quote]

Oh well.

Love the comments on the news here:

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3075]Ryan Boschetti[/url]

He lacks athletic ability. He's perfect for the Raiders! :D

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[quote=Buster;541871]Oh well.

Love the comments on the news here:

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3075]Ryan Boschetti[/url]

He lacks athletic ability. He's perfect for the Raiders! :D[/quote]

Is that the same Boschetti that was batting down balls and fighting tooth and nail trying to get on the team during the preseason last year, or am I thinking of someone else? I don't have my rosters right now. Please tell me he's not a draft pick. He's an undrafted guy right?

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[quote=SmootSmack;541839]Just thought I'd mention here that the Raiders have signed Ryan Boschetti....we're screwed :([/quote]
the greasy meatball has fallen off of our plate

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;541908]Is that the same Boschetti that was batting down balls and fighting tooth and nail trying to get on the team during the preseason last year, or am I thinking of someone else? I don't have my rosters right now. Please tell me he's not a draft pick. He's an undrafted guy right?[/quote]

Yeah he's the dude we usually end up cutting at least once per year, and then he ends up finding his way back to the team at some point. Good hustle guy, not much more than a warm body though.