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[quote=Eknox;539993]I've been listening to him a lot on NFL Network, And maybe it's just me but he seems to still know his stuff and he makes a lot of sense with his evaluations.
What do you think?(if he was available)[/quote]

In a second I would take him back!

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[quote=Mattyk72;540123]It was a 52 yard attempt

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1999-2000#NFC:_Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers_14.2C_Washington_Redskins_13"]NFL playoffs, 1999–2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL][/quote]

Regardless of the yards, Skins should have had a new set of downs after the play, as Alexander was interfered with when Johnson tossed him the desperation pass!

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[quote=Coff;540185]Regardless of the yards, Skins should have had a new set of downs after the play, as Alexander was interfered with when Johnson tossed him the desperation pass![/quote]

Good luck getting the refs to throw that flag on the road. They never would have made it to the airport. The Conway kick was a 50/50 proposition at best.

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is pass interference ever going to be reviewable? just curious.

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[quote=70Chip;540146]He signed "Plan B" FAs Martin Mayhew and Fred Stokes. JK[/quote]

And Jumpy Geathers.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;540196]And Jumpy Geathers.[/quote]


And Matt Millen and Brad Edwards. There were very few articles about the team in those days that failed to mention all these guys (and that Casserly signed them) Why else would the name Fred Stokes be burned into my brain. I think Casserly was eager to let the press know that he had added the final pieces to the puzzle.

The typical 10th paragraph of an off-season article on the Skins would read something like:

"The Redskins were able to utilize Plan B free agency much more effectively than most teams around the league... blah, blah, blah ....critical to their Super Bowl victory... blah, blah, blah." I probably read that a hundred different times. I spent the entire decade of the 90's wishing that "Plan B" free agency had ended up as "Plan A" free agency because Casserly was so much better at the former than he was at the latter.

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[quote=Mattyk72;540004]Brad Johnson did have a helluva year in '99 though, and we made the playoffs. But thanks to Danny we lost out on the chance for some stability at the QB spot for the next 5-6 years.[/quote]

Bastard got rid of Gus!!!!!! If you gave the guy some bona fide WR's and shore up the safety positions and D line to help Darrell we would have been a decent team for longer than '99!! Damn, we still need these things in '09!!!!!

No, all kidding aside Casserly would help us out a lot I think. Maybe actually formulate a real plan on bringing us back as a regular playoff team. The FO still seems to shoot from the hip come draft time.

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He's got the theory right. It's just that he didn't get the talent, meaning that he or his staff didn't have the best eye for talent. D. Howard is forgivable though; I heard Gibbs wanted Howard.

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Funny how some seem to totally gloss over what Casserly did, or didn't do, in Houston.

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[quote=Mattyk72;540286]Funny how some seem to totally gloss over what Casserly did, or didn't do, in Houston.[/quote]

Well see we seem to have a lot of people who are willing to forgive all the stuff Casserly "did" wrong (in this case "did" is defined in the same way a lot of the same people define it as it pertains to Vinny) and give a lot of credit for things he barely had a hand in.

Seriously...look at their records on the actions/decison they actually took. Casserly hasn't hit on any more personell decisions than Vinny has. Even when you factor in all the decisions that haven't worked out in rcent memory that Vinny had little to do with but so often gets hammered for.

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Hind-sight is not always 20-20. But Casserly is a smart man.

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He is smart but should stick to analyizing the draft, but bringing him in here as a scout, would be a better solution, and if the players he recruits turn out good then you could move him to GM

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[quote=SmootSmack;540078]Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....[/quote]

Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;540078]Wasn't there a whole thread about a month ago about what if Haynesworth is another bust free agent move like Dana Stubblefield? Who was the GM that brought in Stubblefield?....[/quote]

If I read the summary of Cerrato's interview with Doc correctly, I guess he said that when he was in San Fran (Vinny is required by law to mention either SF or ND in all pressers) they knew Stubblefield was just looking to get paid.

[quote]Cerrato was in SF when Stubby was starting to “blow up” so they were trying get rid of him and trade him somewhere. Their play was to get picks to trade up in the draft to the 22nd spot with Jacksonville to draft Reynaldo Wynn. Funny how things work out. Anyway, Cerrato was very familiar with Stubby and knew he only wanted to get paid.[/quote]

Thank You BHA, if I may call you that.

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[quote=Paintrain;540111]So you would be happy if Snyder replaced Vinny with Matt Millen? He fits your criteria as an ex GM. How about Tom Donahoe, Rick Speilman, Ken Herrock, Rich McKay or anyone else reviled by their former fan bases?[/quote]

Ok...ok...you (and others) make a good point.
Vinny aint the worst GM...but he is certainly not top tier.

I retract my statement

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[quote=tryfuhl;540325]Kinda hard to see that coming. Casserly is a smart guy, but his better work is done what he's doing now though.[/quote]

Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.

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If he'd draft Alex Mack, yeah. :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;540440]Sure...but apparently everyone here saw Taylor's injury coming, or Patten blowing out his knee. Just saying, we talk about Stubblefield being a bust all the time here, but we never attach Casserly to it. Had Cerrato been the one to bring him, I don't know that we'd be as forgiving.[/quote]Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.

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[quote=GTripp0012;540457]Seeing the injury coming is unrealistic, but when you are trying to drill out compensation for a 1-2 year rental of a former Defensive POY, Cerrato has to be able to use the age and threat of injury to drive down the price of that compensation. Paying a third round pick for Taylor would have been significantly less offensive than a second, and while Parcells might have held out for a better offer, he would have absoultely taken a third than get nothing at all.

Vinny lost track of relative value where Casserly stayed aware (he had the presence to let Sean Gilbert walk under the franchise tag, and collect the picks), and simply missed on a player who he could sign without compensation. I'm not excusing trying to build a defensive line around Stubblefield and Big Daddy Wilkenson, but I'm saying his methodology for doing so was strong.[/quote] Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"

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[quote=FRPLG;540460]Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"[/quote]I agree. I don't think Snyder is even aware that he's creating an environment that makes it nearly impossible to call the shots with efficiency and effectivness, but it seems like that's the case.

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The Richard Justice article was interesting to me. I didn't realize that some people had that view of Casserly as covering his ass with the media. It's so easy for a GM to take credit for a player that succeeds and to blame the coaches for a bust (and vice versa I suppose). Who the hell knows the difference? I think that's why Gibbs was always at pains to say "It's all of us together, etc. etc.". And Gibbs was a guy who could have gotten any reporter in town, or nationally for that matter, to say whatever he wanted with a 5 minute phone call. He could have had Cerrato out on his ass in no time if he were so inclined.

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[quote=FRPLG;540460]Agreed in principle. One caveat...our team under Snyder, and this is my only major philosophical qualm with him in general, is that we overpay. We overpay financially far too often and we overpay with draft picks. Both with Cerrato calling the shots and not. It seems to be more of a fault of Snyder's than anything else. He sets the tone. Who is Cerrato, or Gibbs, or whoever to tell their owner/boss "Nah we won't pay that even though you are willing?"[/quote]

Why do you think that is? I get the feeling that Snyder feels as though "the art of the big feal" or however you want to think of it is his big contribution to the team. So, he'll pay whatever it takes to maintain this image he has as the top salesman of the year. No measly steak knives for him. He wins the Cadillac.

This ocurred to me when Zorn was talking about how exciting it was to see the whole process play out after Midnight on the first day of FA and the phone calls and jets flying around the country. He was clearly dazzled by Snyder's process. It just seems like the extra money is spent to make Dan Snyder feel like he's really helping. They can't offer fair money because then they might not land the FAs and if they don't close the deal, if he doesn't close the deal, he's nothing. That's the feeling that I get.

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[quote=70Chip;540466]Why do you think that is? I get the feeling that Snyder feels as though "the art of the big feal" or however you want to think of it is his big contribution to the team. So, he'll pay whatever it takes to maintain this image he has as the top salesman of the year. No measly steak knives for him. He wins the Cadillac.

This ocurred to me when Zorn was talking about how exciting it was to see the whole process play out after Midnight on the first day of FA and the phone calls and jets flying around the country. He was clearly dazzled by Snyder's process. It just seems like the extra money is spent to make Dan Snyder feel like he's really helping. They can't offer fair money because then they might not land the FAs and if they don't close the deal, if he doesn't close the deal, he's nothing. That's the feeling that I get.[/quote]

I think it is partly that. I also think it is the nature of nouvea riche in our society. They really take to heart the notion that you have to spend money to make money. Since money making has been so easy in the 15 years they had to really manage and lead a lot less than before. I don't think Snyder really gets, at his core, how to be efficient with money.

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[quote=Angry;540136]Trent Green left because we would not give him the type of money he was looking for. Since he was a FA he decided to follow Martz to St. Louis. The decision basically blew up in all of our faces. Green gets injured and eventually replaced by Warner, and we let a tier 2 QB go because we would not pony up the dough. Of course if any of us had realized then what we had in Green, we would have never let him walk.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure if we had an owner at the time, Trent would have been signed no problem. That had to be the worst time ever to be going through ownership changes when your best FA's are deciding their future.

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Had he been able to sign Trent our future would have panned out a lot differently.

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We won a superbowl with Casserly, but I am not sure if it was his team or Bethards Team. He did not have real great results in Texas, but I love him as an analyst. He sure sounds like he knows what he is doing. I still want to see what Cerrato will do.