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Thanks for the comprehensive recap man, much better than a lot I've read in the past.

Glad to hear that there will be competition at PR and I wonder how Jansen is going to feel about Cerrato's quips on Heyer.

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[quote=53Fan;540086]Nice post BHA. Not a whole lot there that I have a problem with. Nice to know we were looking at Mayo, wish we could of got him. I think Davis is going to add more to this offense this year as well as Kelly and Thomas. I understand the thinking about JT though I wasn't crazy about the move. Also glad to hear he understands the importance of getting younger. As far as who has the final say, the owner always doe's, but it's a bad owner in any business who doe's not hire good people and listen to them when it comes to decision making. He could come out and say DS has final say, but that may imply he's more involved in the selection process than he actually is. He said Danny doesn't watch tape or review film. Sounds alright to me.[/quote]

Agreed; if Davis has a break out season though, are we really going to run that many 2 TE sets? I know Cooley was the top target last year, but not in the red zone by far.. You think he'll get fed up if he gets even less his way?

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[quote=tryfuhl;540327]Agreed; if Davis has a break out season though, are we really going to run that many 2 TE sets? [B] I know Cooley was the top target last year, but not in the red zone by far.. You think he'll get fed up if he gets even less his way[/B]?[/quote]

I think Cooley wants to win. Besides, he'd probably be open even more in a 2 TE set. Davis would certainly draw some of the coverage.

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[quote=Paintrain;540181]Obviously, but my point was one offensive player (RT) isn't going to instantly make the offense more potent but that additional player on defense can help in creating turnovers, improving field position and putting points on the board. A right tackle's not going to do that.[/quote]

True but it might make a difference for us not 3 and outing.. or getting to the 50 and having to punt... or in scoring position, being driven back out of FG range, etc

the offense still has to take advantage of the situation given

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[quote=Zerohero;540282]Good for him, DS was busy not losing his money in a ponzi scheme or the stock market. More money for the no cap era!!![/quote]
Just in Six Flags haha.. I'm sure he went after it for the real estate value though

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[quote=tryfuhl;540337]True but it might make a difference for us not 3 and outing.. or getting to the 50 and having to punt... or in scoring position, being driven back out of FG range, etc

the offense still has to take advantage of the situation given[/quote]


I agree with this. Against Pittsburgh, for example, our defense forced two TOs early on which gave the offense the ball at or inside the 50. What did the offense do? They had to settle for FGs. I don't care how dominant a defense is, you need an offense that is capable of scoring more than 10 points. After the midway point of the season 10 points a game was about all our offense could muster.

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[quote=tryfuhl;540338]Just in Six Flags haha.. I'm sure he went after it for the real estate value though[/quote]

Despite popular belief Snyder is not the majority owner of six flags, that distinction belongs to one Bill Gates.

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[quote=70Chip;540345]I agree with this. Against Pittsburgh, for example, our defense forced two TOs early on which gave the offense the ball at or inside the 50. What did the offense do? They had to settle for FGs. I don't care how dominant a defense is, you need an offense that is capable of scoring more than 10 points. [B]After the midway point of the season 10 points a game was about all our offense could muster.[/B][/quote]

F that was frustrating. I mean it's easy to get excited about our defense going into this season and forget about what the big problem was last year.

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We definitely still need to address the o-line. Just like the FO does, it's easy for us to get distracted. But if we don't have a chance to get one of the top guys on the o-line at 13, we might as well go defense or trade down. There are plenty of guys who should still be around later who can help us on the o-line. Just not to the same magnitude as a Mack or Oher.

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I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...

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He also mentioned that Suisham is great inside the 40 but struggled outside the 40. Shaun apparently knows that and is working really hard to improve. VC also mentioned that Shaun did better with Frost as his holder instead of Brooks or Plack.

He didn't say it directly but he pretty much said Plack sucked.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;540622][B]I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?[/B]

[B]If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.[/B]

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...[/quote]

Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.

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[quote=70Chip;540345]I agree with this. Against Pittsburgh, for example, our defense forced two TOs early on which gave the offense the ball at or inside the 50. What did the offense do? They had to settle for FGs. I don't care how dominant a defense is, you need an offense that is capable of scoring more than 10 points. After the midway point of the season 10 points a game was about all our offense could muster.[/quote]Truth is though, if not for that blocked punt (a unit that sucked all year), we probably win or are at least in the game in the second half.

BHA pointed this out in another thread, but the general lethargy of the offense in the first quarter when game strategy is fairly neutral was terrible all season long. We always performed better later in the game than we did earlier in it, but whereas a healthy offensive unit led comebacks against New Orleans and Philadelphia (two very good teams), they failed to come back against the St. Louis', Pittsburgh's, Baltimore's, and Cincinnati's of the world.

There was a pretty clear line between the aptitude of this team in the second half of games drawn in the sand between Weeks 5 & 6, and then again between Weeks 14 & 15. What two events occurred during those two weeks?

1) In Week 5, Chris Samuels hurt his knee and was less effective from that point out the rest of the year.

2) In Week 14, Samuels tore his labrum and missed the rest of the year.

The season-long issue with sustaining offense was a receivers issue. But the ability that the team had early on in the year to put teams away and not turn the ball over appeared to be a line-based issue. As the line decline, those dominant fourth quarters turned to mediocre performances in losing efforts as we chased points against the best defenses in the league.

Bottom line: If we want a great offense, we need to rebuild the OL and have the Receivers develop. If we want to win close games, simply one or the other will suffice.

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[quote=RedskinMike;540357]Despite popular belief Snyder is not the majority owner of six flags, that distinction belongs to one Bill Gates.[/quote]

Snyder owns about 12pct of six flags and if I'm not mistaken gates has about 11 or 11.5

Snyder has effective control over the company, but I don't see where your point aligns with my reason for him likely investing in it.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;540622]I am supposed to believe that Stephon Heyer is "unbeatable" if he can only get his technique down right?

If that is even close to correct, then Stephon Heyer must be as dumb as a sack of hammers if he knows what will make him "unbeatable" but can't bring himself to do it. Bending one's knees is not exactly a complex undertaking for most humans. In fact, most two year olds have that one mastered.

Don't waste a lot of time parsing the sentences here. Most of it off-season verbiage which is rarely if ever critically analytical.

Oh, and for the record, Doc Walker was the guy last year who was absolutely certain that Jason Taylor would be unstoppable because teams would have to pay special attention to Carter on the other side. During the off-season, Doc should put on a mini-skirt and brake out the pom-poms and do a little dancing...[/quote]

It's a quick game.. if you've done any sport ever then you'd realize that proper technique is something that takes a lot of drilling as your body will try to go with instinct first and it realllly takes a lot of work to make 100% technique override your instinct... if this weren't the case, ANYBODY of his stature could be a starting lineman, but it's not...

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[quote=Mattyk72;540646]Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.[/quote]

Right on the target; it's not easy to play Oline..

Just imagine this: if we draft one of top 4 T (maybe Oher?), and he develops into good or great T.. And if Heyers finally develops and become a good RT Then we would be set at Ts for years!

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[quote=tryfuhl;540659]Snyder owns about 12pct of six flags and if I'm not mistaken gates has about 11 or 11.5

Snyder has effective control over the company, but I don't see where your point aligns with my reason for him likely investing in it.[/quote]

Snyder owns about 5 million shares, Gates' Investment arm owns around 10 million shares. But it's Snyder's team managing it

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[quote=GridIron26;540668]Right on the target; it's not easy to play Oline..

Just imagine this: if we draft one of top 4 T (maybe Oher?), and he develops into good or great T.. And if Heyers finally develops and become a good RT Then we would be set at Ts for years![/quote]

So are we cutting Samuels? Here's why I think we're not looking OT at #13. We're good at LT with Samuels. We seem to be content letting Heyer enter camp as the starter at RT (which as I've said wouldn't be the end of the world) and I don't think we're really looking to draft a LT, move him to RT and then have to re-convert him to LT in 3 years. Seems more likely that we will go DE/LB and then draft a OL in the 3rd.

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[quote=tryfuhl;540659]Snyder owns about 12pct of six flags and if I'm not mistaken gates has about 11 or 11.5

Snyder has effective control over the company, but I don't see where your point aligns with my reason for him likely investing in it.[/quote]

Most people believe he is the sole owner of six flags was just putting out the info. I only quoted you for the six flags reference. Smootsmack beat me with the numbers.

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[quote=Mattyk72;540646]Easier said than done. Heyer is a tall dude at 6'6 and he needs to play lower. Technique is all about creating muscle memory and often times it's easy to fall back on hold habits when you have a 275 pound guy in front of you trying to beat you around the corner or bull rush you into the backfield. He's still raw but he definitely has potential. I think that's the basic point VC was trying to make.[/quote]


It's also a function of stamina. Fatigue leads to bad fundamentals AND mental errors.

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[quote=GTripp0012;540649]Truth is though, if not for that blocked punt (a unit that sucked all year), we probably win or are at least in the game in the second half.

BHA pointed this out in another thread, but the general lethargy of the offense in the first quarter when game strategy is fairly neutral was terrible all season long. We always performed better later in the game than we did earlier in it, but whereas a healthy offensive unit led comebacks against New Orleans and Philadelphia (two very good teams), they failed to come back against the St. Louis', Pittsburgh's, Baltimore's, and Cincinnati's of the world.

There was a pretty clear line between the aptitude of this team in the second half of games drawn in the sand between Weeks 5 & 6, and then again between Weeks 14 & 15. What two events occurred during those two weeks?

1) In Week 5, Chris Samuels hurt his knee and was less effective from that point out the rest of the year.

2) In Week 14, Samuels tore his labrum and missed the rest of the year.

The season-long issue with sustaining offense was a receivers issue. But the ability that the team had early on in the year to put teams away and not turn the ball over appeared to be a line-based issue. As the line decline, those dominant fourth quarters turned to mediocre performances in losing efforts as we chased points against the best defenses in the league.

Bottom line: If we want a great offense, we need to rebuild the OL and have the Receivers develop. If we want to win close games, simply one or the other will suffice.[/quote]

It's hard to disagree with this. We definitely need to get younger up front. I just sense that too many people are in denial about the dismal state of our receiving corps. It's just as easy to assume everything will magically improve on the line as it is with the receivers which is what I hear. "I'm sure Thomas and Kelly will come around." Really? Why on earth do you think that? I'd rather put my money on Jansen being the Comeback Kid than on those two doing anything. You can't just chalk everything up to the fact that the offensive line is less than All-Universe. Not you, but a lot of people in here.

It's like a baseball team that averages less than 1 run a game and then blames the pitching because they only have 1 Cy Young candidate instead of 4.

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[quote=Paintrain;540703]So are we cutting Samuels? Here's why I think we're not looking OT at #13. We're good at LT with Samuels. We seem to be content letting Heyer enter camp as the starter at RT (which as I've said wouldn't be the end of the world) and I don't think we're really looking to draft a LT, move him to RT and then have to re-convert him to LT in 3 years. Seems more likely that we will go DE/LB and then draft a OL in the 3rd.[/quote]

I never said anything about cutting Samuels? I believe I said when Heyers finally develops into good T, which will take more than a year.. Unless he surprises us all this season.. I only meant to explain that we would not have any concerns regarding T for years if Heyers flourishes and we draft a future stud T.. It doesn't mean we would have to cut Samuels - god, I hope this won't be the case.. Samuels have done alot for us, ain't going to be a great way to pay him back by cutting him.. When Samuels retires, we wouldn't have to worry about getting a T because we would already have Heyers waiting in the wing (that, of course, is only if we extend his contract or resign him; which I am hopeful but kinda pretty sure that the FO will)..

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Oh man, that picture of Cerrato that comes up when you play the podcast says it all...

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Interesting to hear VC explain the selection of Devin Thomas over Eddie Royal in terms of team needs, claiming that since we already had smaller receivers in Moss and ARE that Thomas fit what we were trying to do more. That's fine, but when he then proceeded to take receivers with the next two picks didn't he justify it by saying that you take the best player available no matter what, and don't draft for need? Which one is it?

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[quote=70Chip;540721]It's also a function of stamina. Fatigue leads to bad fundamentals AND mental errors.[/quote]

Good point.

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[quote=70Chip;540723]It's hard to disagree with this. We definitely need to get younger up front. I just sense that too many people are in denial about the dismal state of our receiving corps. It's just as easy to assume everything will magically improve on the line as it is with the receivers which is what I hear. "I'm sure Thomas and Kelly will come around." Really? Why on earth do you think that? I'd rather put my money on Jansen being the Comeback Kid than on those two doing anything. You can't just chalk everything up to the fact that the offensive line is less than All-Universe. Not you, but a lot of people in here.

It's like a baseball team that averages less than 1 run a game and then blames the pitching because they only have 1 Cy Young candidate instead of 4.[/quote]The other thing is that the defense is at fault as well. They don't give up points often, but if you allow the other team to control the ball and chew up clock (which unquestionably happened), well then you are going to be responsible for the limited amount of points your team scores. One defensive TD all year? For real?

In general, the receivers, the OL, and the defense (specifically, the outside linebackers and the play-calling, not so much the DL now) have vast room for improvement.

And, I don't disagree for you that it's not a foregone conclusion that the next great receiving tandem of the Skins is in house. But Davis looks good, and in Kelly's case, what we have is a lack of information, not necessarily negative feedback.

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[quote=GTripp0012;540777]The other thing is that the defense is at fault as well. They don't give up points often, but if you allow the other team to control the ball and chew up clock (which unquestionably happened), well then you are going to be responsible for the limited amount of points your team scores. One defensive TD all year? For real?

In general, the receivers, the OL, and the defense (specifically, the outside linebackers and the play-calling, not so much the DL now) have vast room for improvement.

And, I don't disagree for you that it's not a foregone conclusion that the next great receiving tandem of the Skins is in house. But Davis looks good, and in Kelly's case, what we have is a lack of information, not necessarily negative feedback.[/quote]


I'm sure Greg Blache would be the first to say he wants more turnovers and points off turnovers and to generally create more chaos and general disarray. In a way, the fact that they DIDNT do much if any of that makes their defensive ranking even MORE impressive. I don't mind people criticizing the defense in areas where they need improvement. You can always improve.

I think what bothers me is that they make these arguments as a way of explaining our offensive ineptitude. If I was a member of the Redskins defense and I heard people saying, "Well, too bad the offense didn't get a little more help from the defense - we might have done something", I wouldn't know whether to laugh or to cry. Any criticism of the defense should be kept seperate from the problems our offense faces RIGHT NOW because those problems are far more serious and deeply entrenched than the defensive ones. Once Zorn gets same of his basic issues sorted out, then I would be willing to entertain an analysis of field position and turnover ratio and so forth. We have to be able to move the ball before we start going there.

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[quote=70Chip;540791]I'm sure Greg Blache would be the first to say he wants more turnovers and points off turnovers and to generally create more chaos and general disarray. In a way, the fact that they DIDNT do much if any of that makes their defensive ranking even MORE impressive. I don't mind people criticizing the defense in areas where they need improvement. You can always improve.

I think what bothers me is that they make these arguments as a way of explaining our offensive ineptitude. If I was a member of the Redskins defense and I heard people saying, "Well, too bad the offense didn't get a little more help from the defense - we might have done something", I wouldn't know whether to laugh or to cry. Any criticism of the defense should be kept seperate from the problems our offense faces RIGHT NOW because those problems are far more serious and deeply entrenched than the defensive ones. Once Zorn gets same of his basic issues sorted out, then I would be willing to entertain an analysis of field position and turnover ratio and so forth. We have to be able to move the ball before we start going there.[/quote]

Good post

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[quote=70Chip;540791]I'm sure Greg Blache would be the first to say he wants more turnovers and points off turnovers and to generally create more chaos and general disarray. In a way, the fact that they DIDNT do much if any of that makes their defensive ranking even MORE impressive. I don't mind people criticizing the defense in areas where they need improvement. You can always improve.

I think what bothers me is that they make these arguments as a way of explaining our offensive ineptitude. If I was a member of the Redskins defense and I heard people saying, "Well, too bad the offense didn't get a little more help from the defense - we might have done something", I wouldn't know whether to laugh or to cry. Any criticism of the defense should be kept seperate from the problems our offense faces RIGHT NOW because those problems are far more serious and deeply entrenched than the defensive ones. Once Zorn gets same of his basic issues sorted out, then I would be willing to entertain an analysis of field position and turnover ratio and so forth. We have to be able to move the ball before we start going there.[/quote]On this, I think it's the other way around. The reason I was so adamant that we recognize our defensive weaknesses way back in December is so that we don't end up looking at the offense (improperly) as some inept unit based on the fact that the point totals were down.

I absolutely agree that the defense and the offense have to be separate entities. Just not if points for/against is being used as the measuring stick. That's essentially why the league uses yards to rank defenses and offenses, because points are far more dependent on the other unit.

But, obviously the offenses below average ability to score is something that can only be solved by fixing the offense. The defenses inability to get off the field is something that can only be solved by fixing the defense. We can spend our first pick on one side of the ball, but not both, so that's where the tricky part is.

The fact that the offense is so much further from greatness than the defense shouldn't detract from the fact that the offenses current ability to not self-destruct under Campbell is valuable within itself to the point where we can get value from the offense without addressing the receivers and OL.

But if we want to one day have a great offensive unit, it's clear that plenty of current players just won't cut it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;540796]On this, I think it's the other way around. The reason I was so adamant that we recognize our defensive weaknesses way back in December is so that we don't end up looking at the offense (improperly) as some inept unit based on the fact that the point totals were down.

I absolutely agree that the defense and the offense have to be separate entities. Just not if points for/against is being used as the measuring stick. That's essentially why the league uses yards to rank defenses and offenses, because points are far more dependent on the other unit.

But, obviously the offenses below average ability to score is something that can only be solved by fixing the offense. The defenses inability to get off the field is something that can only be solved by fixing the defense. We can spend our first pick on one side of the ball, but not both, so that's where the tricky part is.

The fact that the offense is so much further from greatness than the defense shouldn't detract from the fact that the offenses current ability to not self-destruct under Campbell is valuable within itself to the point where we can get value from the offense without addressing the receivers and OL.
[B]
But if we want to one day have a great offensive unit, it's clear that plenty of current players just won't cut it.[/B][/quote]

I wonder if this team is destined to be a defensive team, kinda like the Ravens and Titans. I just feel that over the past 5-6 seasons the defense has been the strength.

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[quote=Ruhskins;540821]I wonder if this team is destined to be a defensive team, kinda like the Ravens and Titans. I just feel that over the past 5-6 seasons the defense has been the strength.[/quote]No one is destined to be anything, but some teams just can't evaluate talent on one side of the ball.

But for us, most of the established talent (sans Haynesworth) is on the offensive side. All we need to do is fix the major holes in the middle and on the outside, and we can have a good offense. It doesn't seem that hard, we've just failed at it so far.

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landry, st, champ, rodgers, etc have alll been talented

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But not pro bowl talented like Portis, Sellers, Moss (in his prime), Samuels, and Cooley.

More of a prospective type of talent on defense.

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If the defense stays at its current level and the offense improves to say 19 points a game, how many wins does that add up to. I bet that would be 10 or 11 wins. If the offense could get to 23 points per, I think you might win 12 games with last year's defense. I like a defense that doesn't give up more than 25 points in any game all year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;540671]Snyder owns about 5 million shares, Gates' Investment arm owns around 10 million shares. But it's Snyder's team managing it[/quote]

Sorry to continue on the off-topic banter, but did he sell some in the past couple of years? Back in 05 he had 8 or 9pct and then bought more to take himself/Red Zone above Gates.

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[quote=RedskinMike;540720]Most people believe he is the sole owner of six flags was just putting out the info. I only quoted you for the six flags reference. Smootsmack beat me with the numbers.[/quote]

I just didn't think he owned that little for years now, don't recall him selling any off, but might've missed it since I've moved out the area.

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[quote=GTripp0012;540826]But not pro bowl talented like Portis, Sellers, Moss (in his prime), Samuels, and Cooley.

More of a prospective type of talent on defense.[/quote]

Sean Taylor *RIP*-5th overall pick (HOF potential), Laron Landry-6th overall pick (Pro-Bowl potential), Champ Bailey *traded*-7th overall pick (future HOF), London Fletcher (Pro-Bowl snubbed), DeAngelo Hall-7th overall pick (2 time Pro-Bowler), Carlos Rogers-9th overall pick (????), etc......

I think that's sure fire talent on defense, and I didn't even mention Haynesworth!

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[quote=Son Of Man;540852]Sean Taylor *RIP*-5th overall pick (HOF potential), Laron Landry-6th overall pick (Pro-Bowl potential), Champ Bailey *traded*-7th overall pick (future HOF), London Fletcher (Pro-Bowl snubbed), DeAngelo Hall-7th overall pick (2 time Pro-Bowler), Carlos Rogers-9th overall pick (????), etc......

I think that's sure fire talent on defense, and I didn't even mention Haynesworth![/quote]Right but you also included people who weren't on the team last year, and in one case, haven't been on the team in the last five years.

Rogers and Fletcher are established talent on defense, but not in the same way that the superstars of Portis, Cooley, Moss, and Samuels are respected by other teams. Then you have the young 25 year old potential of Hall, Blades, Landry, Montgomery, and Horton, who are a big part of our defense, but [U]only[/U] if their best days are in fact in front of them.

The only point was that the established talent, the easily recognizable names, are on the offensive end for us, while the defense is very talented, but because it has fewer holes, more young talent, and less big names.

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Regarding Hall, I heard an interview on Sporting News Radio last week with him. He REALLY sounds like he has grown up and will be a solid player for us for years to come.

He made the comment, that IS true..."he's had to deal with more craziness in his career than anyone else he knows." He played with the dog-killed, then had a college coach who came in and failed miserably only to quit on the team...then he played under Al Davis.

A Raiders fan I work with keeps telling me I do not want a part of Hall on my team, but I really don't see it. Hall came in last year and changed the secondary for the better for 8 games. I see no signs of him wanting to give that work ethic up. He seems genuinely grateful to be a Redskin.