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[quote=Ruhskins;547780]Well, did Orakpo have veal? LOL.[/quote]

Nope he ate the raw flesh of lions. That's the kind of guy we need on this team.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;547798]Nope he ate the raw flesh of lions. That's the kind of guy we need on this team.[/quote]

:rofl: Oh man, too funny. LOL.

[quote=The Goat;547795]Hmmm...I'd be happier trading up for Jason Smith or Monroe if either guy falls a bit. Time to grab another bookend tackle.[/quote]

Jason Smith is not going to fall past #2, and well I have read a few articles talking about concerns over Monroe's knees ([URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/20/draft/1.html"]Peter King's article[/URL] where he talks about Snyder and Sanchez being one of them). If Jason Smith falls it would be super, so would Curry, and I wouldn't mind Orakpo. I wonder who is the top player on the Skins draft board.

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[quote=GTripp0012;547794]I'm as high on the idea of getting Orakpo here as I've ever been.

I'm going to say this: if we're willing to trade up just a few picks, we might just be in position to land [B]Aaron Curry[/B]. That would be one heck of a draft steal at, say, No. 8.[/quote]

I think Blache, or any defensive coordinator for that matter, would love to have this guy. I know I would.

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You know what would be awesome? If the Browns and Skins make the trade before the draft and the Seahawks take Sanchez, then Danny would eat shit and maybe learn a lesson the hard way. This won't happen, I guarantee that the Seahawks will take Sanchez. The only way this trade occurs is if they trade with either Detroit, Rams or Chiefs.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;547814]You know what would be awesome? If the Browns and Skins make the trade before the draft and the Seahawks take Sanchez, then Danny would eat shit and maybe learn a lesson the hard way. This won't happen, I guarantee that the Seahawks will take Sanchez. The only way this trade occurs is if they trade with either Detroit, Rams or Chiefs.[/quote]

Hey Danny can eat all the crap in the world, I wouldn't mind if this happened b/c then we can get Orakpo, Jason Smith (if he were to fall that far), or some other top player that is not Mark Sanchez.

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[quote=Mattyk72;547741]Could we be trading up to grab someone else, like Orakpo?[/quote]

I'll say we're going to swap picks with Green Bay at #9 for Orapko, giving them our 3rd and getting back a 4th or 5th.

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[quote=Ruhskins;547817]Hey Danny can eat all the crap in the world, I wouldn't mind if this happened b/c then we can get Orakpo, Jason Smith (if he were to fall that far), or some other top player that is not Mark Sanchez.[/quote]

There you go again trading the farm for one good player, just like giving millions to 3 players when you can fill many holes with that money. The smartest thing the Skins could do is trade down get more picks and fill the OL, DE and LB position which we have holes in.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;547821]There you go again trading the farm for one good player, just like giving millions to 3 players when you can fill many holes with that money. The smartest thing the Skins could do is trade down get more picks and fill the OL, DE and LB position which we have holes in.[/quote]

The voice of reason.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;547821]There you go again trading the farm for one good player, just like giving millions to 3 players when you can fill many holes with that money. The smartest thing the Skins could do is trade down get more picks and fill the OL, DE and LB position which we have holes in.[/quote]

Hey man, I've been advocating staying at #13 or trading down. However, I've come to accept that DS is going to trade up (I hope not) no matter what and I was referring to your scenario of DS trading up and not getting Sanchez.

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[quote=Ruhskins;547793]So what are people's thoughts if we moved up to get Orakpo? I mean, having Carter, Griff, Haynesworth, and Orakpo at the line would be pretty sick I think.[/quote] On paper that would give us a top 3 D-line, easily.

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[quote=Paintrain;547824]On paper that would give us a top 3 D-line, easily.[/quote]

How about BJ raji and Haynesworth in the middle?

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[quote=Ruhskins;547793]So what are people's thoughts if we moved up to get Orakpo? I mean, having Carter, Griff, Haynesworth, and Orakpo at the line would be pretty sick I think.[/quote]

It is possible that we can stay put at 13 and still get Orakpo.

Yes, that would be one butt-kicking d-line. It might be our best d-line since the glory years of the early '80s.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;547825]How about BJ raji and Haynesworth in the middle?[/quote]

Since Raji did not test positive for the ganja, we may not be able to get him because his stock will be too high.

But, yeah, that would be a d-line which is killer up the middle.

Speaking of Raji, happy 4/20 everyone.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;547825]How about BJ raji and Haynesworth in the middle?[/quote]

Uhh, I dreamed about that when the herb story broke. Doubt it happens now but yeah that would be amazing.

...btw if we could trade up and land Curry w/o giving up future picks who would be for it?

Mods (attention please :)) might we have a poll that goes something like: Which player is most worth trading up?

Sanchez
Orakpo
Curry
Monroe
Rey (haha gotcha)
Jason Smith

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The last thing I thought we'd be talking about would be trading up from #13. We have no freakin picks to begin with. What the hell happened?

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[quote=Lotus;547827]It is possible that we can stay put at 13 and still get Orakpo.

Yes, that would be one butt-kicking d-line. It might be our best d-line since the glory years of the early '80s.[/quote]

Well unfortunately The Danny's latest tantrum has us trading up.

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[quote=The Goat;547830]Uhh, I dreamed about that when the herb story broke. Doubt it happens now but yeah that would be amazing.

...btw [B]if we could trade up and land Curry w/o giving up future picks who would be for it?[/B]

Mods (attention please :)) might we have a poll that goes something like: Which player is most worth trading up?

Sanchez
Orakpo
Curry
Monroe
Rey (haha gotcha)
Jason Smith[/quote]

Curry is an outstanding player but I would not be for it. I think we need several solid players, not one amazing one. To me trading up is going in the wrong direction.

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[quote=Ruhskins;547833]Well unfortunately The Danny's latest tantrum has us trading up.[/quote]

Against all reason I refuse to believe that. No offense Ruhskins but I just can't buy into that plan. I'll just wait until Saturday, when it becomes certain (if it does), and then be very pissed.

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I'm sensing alot of hate...but if by some chance we were to get Sanchez, please, please, please, just accept him and don't treat him like the Philly fans did McNabb. Once you put on that burgundy and gold we as fans have to support you...I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to ever overcome being booed by fans...If he has any chance of success here, he will need to be comfortable from the start

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;547837]I'm sensing alot of hate...but if by some chance we were to get Sanchez, please, please, please, just accept him and don't treat him like the Philly fans did McNabb. Once you put on that burgundy and gold we as fans have to support you...I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to ever overcome being booed by fans...If he has any chance of success here, he will need to be comfortable from the start[/quote]

Why hate Sanchez? He's done nothing to deserve being hated. Let's see what the FO does before we all get excited and then judge the after effects of the trade whether it's up or down (preferably down). Maybe there's no trade.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;547837]I'm sensing alot of hate...but if by some chance we were to get Sanchez, please, please, please, just accept him and don't treat him like the Philly fans did McNabb. Once you put on that burgundy and gold we as fans have to support you[B]...I just don't think he's mentally tough enough [/B]to ever overcome being booed by fans...If he has any chance of success here, he will need to be comfortable from the start[/quote]

In other words he's alot like Cutler? I'll take JC over either one of them and if he can't stand the heat we definitely don't want him.

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Any chance in hell we trade up for Orakpo because my latest temper tantrum has me wanting to imitate the Giants D-Line.

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[quote=53Fan;547840]In other words he's alot like Cutler? I'll take JC over either one of them and [B]if he can't stand the heat we definitely don't want him.[/B][/quote]

Right on!

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We draft Sanchez, guess what, it won't be season over, it might as well be franchise over until Snyder sells the team. Sanchez is not needed at this point in time. JC is the man unless he sucks this season and he probably won't be resigned, leaving Brennan as the probable heir, unless we do some bigtime dealing in 2010 to get Bradford or McCoy. Personally I don't see Sanchez being worth a bucket full of piss in the NFL. Hard to suck on such a stacked team as USC in such a pussy conference. USC would be a 3-4 loss team in the SEC and Big 12 and a 1-2 loss team in the Big 10 every year. Sanchez=Schuler. Mark my words.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;547821]There you go again trading the farm for one good player, just like giving millions to 3 players when you can fill many holes with that money. [B]The smartest thing the Skins could do is trade down get more picks and fill the OL, DE and LB position which we have holes in[/B].[/quote]

[B]This[/B] is how you improve a team. What is wrong with trying common sense once in awhile?

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;547837]I'm sensing alot of hate...but if by some chance we were to get Sanchez, please, please, please, just accept him and don't treat him like the Philly fans did McNabb. Once you put on that burgundy and gold we as fans have to support you...I just don't think he's mentally tough enough to ever overcome being booed by fans...If he has any chance of success here, he will need to be comfortable from the start[/quote]
Yeah, cause Redskins fans have been known to be exceptionally kind and patient with their QB! Not being mentally tough enough isn't really the type of endorsement you want for an incoming QB.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! just draft a damn O-LINEMAN... or a LINEBACKER. Danny thinks too crazy sometimes.

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[quote=Skins4L;547853]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! just draft a damn O-LINEMAN... or a LINEBACKER.[/quote]

Or both and then some.

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[quote=Lotus;547835]Against all reason I refuse to believe that. No offense Ruhskins but I just can't buy into that plan. I'll just wait until Saturday, when it becomes certain (if it does), and then be very pissed.[/quote]

None taken. I truly hope that this is the biggest smoke screen put on by the FO. Maybe the Jets will bite and give us wayy to much to trade with us. One glimmer of hope that I have, is the lack of bashing by Mike Florio on this interest on Sanchez.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;547848]We draft Sanchez, guess what, it won't be season over, it might as well be franchise over [B]until Snyder sells the team[/B]. Sanchez is not needed at this point in time. JC is the man unless he sucks this season and he probably won't be resigned, leaving Brennan as the probable heir, unless we do some bigtime dealing in 2010 to get Bradford or McCoy. Personally I don't see Sanchez being worth a bucket full of piss in the NFL. Hard to suck on such a stacked team as USC in such a pussy conference. USC would be a 3-4 loss team in the SEC and Big 12 and a 1-2 loss team in the Big 10 every year. Sanchez=Schuler. Mark my words.[/quote]

Which, by my estimate, is sometime around the year 2030.

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[quote=Ruhskins;547856]None taken. I truly hope that this is the biggest smoke screen put on by the FO. [B]Maybe the Jets will bite and give us wayy to much to trade with us.[/B] One glimmer of hope that I have, is the lack of bashing by Mike Florio on this interest on Sanchez.[/quote]

The Jets scenario is also my fond hope.

Good point about Florio.

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[quote=53Fan;547840]In other words he's alot like Cutler? I'll take JC over either one of them and if he can't stand the heat we definitely don't want him.[/quote]
That's rediculous...everyone that has been saying that Campbell is better than Cuttler cannot really beleive that. Are you blind? People can play the numbers game all day and compare Ws and Ls but at the end of the day "You gotta be as blind as Anne Frank not to see that" Cutler has passed Campbell by leaps and bounds as far as their development. Since everyone likes playing with numbers compare TDs/game between the two...I haven't even done the research, I just know that should be one number that Cutler has alot more than Campbell...Cutler didn't loose all those games by himself, just as Campbell didn't go 2-6 all by himself...I just don't want to hear another person bring up the W-L stat again, that by far is a TEAM stat.

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If We swap up, I just hope the player is an immediate impact. Why didn't
we pick up a DE b4 all options were used up( maybe Canty??), therefore clearing
the way for picking up a great LB( Maluga) or a O Lineman

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;547865]That's rediculous...everyone that has been saying that Campbell is better than Cuttler cannot really beleive that. Are you blind? People can play the numbers game all day and compare Ws and Ls but at the end of the day "You gotta be as blind as Anne Frank not to see that" Cutler has passed Campbell by leaps and bounds as far as their development. [B]Since everyone likes playing with numbers[/B] compare TDs/game between the two...I haven't even done the research, I just know that should be one number that Cutler has alot more than Campbell...Cutler didn't loose all those games by himself, just as Campbell didn't go 2-6 all by himself...I just don't want to hear another person bring up the W-L stat again, that by far is a TEAM stat.[/quote]

Ok, let's run some numbers from last year:
Cutler 25 Td's, 18 interceptions
Campbell 13 TD's, 6 Int's

So Cutler had not quite twice the touchdowns but three times the interceptions. In terms of TD to interception ratio, Campbell wins.

Put differently: What use is Cutler to Denver? None, because he whined his way out of town. Who's to say that he wouldn't whine his way out of Washington, too, and thus be useless to us as well?

Put even more differently: Have you ever seen opponents like Rivers mocking Cutler? They think he's a weenie! JC, on the other hand, appears to draw the respect of opponents. I personally prefer to have a qb who is not the laughingstock of opposing players.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;547848]We draft Sanchez, guess what, it won't be season over, it might as well be franchise over until Snyder sells the team. Sanchez is not needed at this point in time. JC is the man unless he sucks this season and he probably won't be resigned, leaving Brennan as the probable heir, unless we do some bigtime dealing in 2010 to get Bradford or McCoy. Personally I don't see Sanchez being worth a bucket full of piss in the NFL. Hard to suck on such a stacked team as USC in such a pussy conference. [B]USC would be a 3-4 loss team in the SEC and Big 12 and a 1-2 loss team in the Big 10 every year. Sanchez=Schuler[/B]. Mark my words.[/quote]

[I]Not to waste anyone's time who'd rather not read an OT post, the rant below is pointed to GusFrerotte and other SC detractors:[/I]

How the hell would SC have 3-4 losses every season in the SEC and Big 12 or 1-2 in the Big 10 when there are undefeated teams that come out of those conferences every so often? You're either saying SC can't hang with the best teams from those conferences or you're saying you've never watched SC before.

Point 1 - SC has destroyed every SEC team they've played in the past few seasons. Including a 23-0 stomping [I]at[/I] Auburn's Jordan Hare stadium. Tigers were SI's preseason #1 and started veterans such as Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Karlos Dansby and two guys named Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell. Did I mention that was QB Matt Leinart's first college start ever? And freshmen Reggie Bush and Lendale White's first game.

Not mention a home and home against Arkansas that resulted in a combined score of 120-31. Mighty Trojans drop 50 against Arky in their own house, in a year the Razorbacks become SEC West champ!

Point 2 - Big 12? I think someone forgot the 2004 national championship game in Miami between undefeated USC and undefeated Oklahoma. 38-10 by halftime and the OU offensive linemen were literally asking our defensive guys for mercy in the second quarter. I'll give you Texas' victory a few years ago... but even then, one of the best players in college history named Vince Young had to put together a crazy performance to barely scrape by in the last few seconds. He may has well have worn an "S" on his chest that day.

Point 3 - Big 10? Do you even watch college football? SC has played in 5 out of the last 6 Rose Bowls, 4 of which have been against Big 10 teams. Ask Michigan, Penn State and Illinois if SC would have lost any Big 10 games that season. Just last season, what was the score between SC and Ohio State (the top Big 10 school at the time)? 35-3.

In summary: If a team can go undefeated in their conference and subsequently proceeds to get walloped by a "sissy" Pac-10 school in the bowl game, there's a better than average chance that said "sissy" could go unscathed in that opponent's conference. And I wouldn't be quick to discredit the Pac-10 as a whole, either- 5-0 in bowl games last season. Every conference has its ups and downs- and the even the mighty SEC had a down season last year. Just like we have our USCs and Oregons, we also have our Washingtons and Stanfords. Just like the SEC has its Floridas and LSUs, it also has its Vanderbilts and Mississippi States.

/rant. Now back to your regularly scheduled freaking out about Mark Sanchez... coming from an SC guy who agrees that we should not draft him.

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Sanchez is a smoke screen, they really want Monroe at 5th. I say go get him. Take LB and depth at DE in the 5th and 7th rounds. Trade your 13th, 3rd round, and 6th round to get the 5th overall. 2010 is looking like an uncapped year with all our picks still available. Plug the gaps at DE (since our DE are one year contracts, and fill any other gaps in 2010. Remember, our Defense was 4th overall in the entire NFL last year, but we finished with a mediocre record. Our Offense didn't have what it needed (talent wise) to maintain down the stretch.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;547695]I've never been a big draft guy. I mean, I don't expect our draft picks to produce immediately.. This year I feel like we need to draft a player that WILL contribute immediately with our first pick... Sanchez is not ready and probably never will be a playmaker for us.[/quote]

I'm with your way of thinking. Rookies usually don't start their first yr no matter what position they play unless the team is really hurting at the position; ie: Horton, Heyer.

but I honestly see us going after Sanchez because I honestly believe DS, Cerrato and Zorn are not impressed with JC. I'm betting Zorn is the one sending the message to DS that he wants a better QB. I went back to my draft mags last night to see why he's so special and why we would even be interested. All of them say he's dead on accurate with all his throws. He's good at short, intermediate, and long passes. He knows where to drop the ball only so the WR can get it. [B]His passes come out prior to the WR making his break for the ball.[/B] He played in a pro style of offense and [B]he reads defenses well prior to the snap.[/B]

The only knock everyone had on him was he only started 16 games. They felt he did not have much time leading a team.

I can actually see us taking him and letting him learn the plays all yr and get tutored by Zorn for next yr unless JC really flubs up or Sanchez really out plays JC and gets to start this yr.

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Here's what ProFootballWeekly had to say:

[B]Positives: Very good foot quickness to slide in the pocket, avoid the rush and create some plays with his feet. Looks natural moving backward from under center. Does a very good job balancing his feet and throwing on the run. Can work through progressions and anticipates well where receivers will be. Played in a pro-style offense and has natural passing instincts. Has risen to the occasion vs. better competition (see Ohio State, Penn State) and performed well in the clutch. Has shown he can handle pressure. Has good arm strength to make all the throws. Good accuracy and ball placement. Plays with poise and understands the game. Fine decision maker. Shows maturity beyond his experience. Works hard, is well-respected and knows how to win a huddle.

Negatives: Only a one-year starter. Not an overly impressive physical specimen and has a somewhat dumpy-looking body. Too often sprays the deep ball. Had an exceptional supporting cast with a talented offensive line that often provided a clean pocket and talented receivers who often were surrounded by nothing but grass. Showed he could be rattled by pressure in a loss to Oregon State. Too many balls come out with a loose wobble. Has been dinged up throughout his career and does not have a strong build to withstand contact.

Summary: Does not enter the NFL with desirable experience and durability, and his character will require further examination based on a spotted history, but he has the foot quickness, agility, arm strength and intangibles to develop into a solid NFL starter.
[/B]

Funny they say he does not have great physical size, but he is like 6-2, 227lbs.

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[quote=SBXVII;547905]Here's what ProFootballWeekly had to say:

[B]Positives: Very good foot quickness to slide in the pocket, avoid the rush and create some plays with his feet. Looks natural moving backward from under center. Does a very good job balancing his feet and throwing on the run. Can work through progressions and anticipates well where receivers will be. Played in a pro-style offense and has natural passing instincts. Has risen to the occasion vs. better competition (see Ohio State, Penn State) and performed well in the clutch. Has shown he can handle pressure. Has good arm strength to make all the throws. Good accuracy and ball placement. Plays with poise and understands the game. Fine decision maker. Shows maturity beyond his experience. Works hard, is well-respected and knows how to win a huddle.

Negatives: Only a one-year starter. Not an overly impressive physical specimen and has a somewhat dumpy-looking body. Too often sprays the deep ball. Had an exceptional supporting cast with a talented offensive line that often provided a clean pocket and talented receivers who often were surrounded by nothing but grass. Showed he could be rattled by pressure in a loss to Oregon State. Too many balls come out with a loose wobble. Has been dinged up throughout his career and does not have a strong build to withstand contact.

Summary: Does not enter the NFL with desirable experience and durability, and his character will require further examination based on a spotted history, but he has the foot quickness, agility, arm strength and intangibles to develop into a solid NFL starter.
[/B]

Funny they say he does not have great physical size, but he is like 6-2, 227lbs.[/quote]Yea, I'm still very leery about Sanchez.. I really would like to draft a special player with our first pick. I mean someone who will come in and light it up right away.... [B]Sanchez is definitely not that guy![/B]