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[quote=freddyg12;555436]Given the circumstances his agent might try & find a 1 yr. vet min. deal w/incentives just to try & get his client in position to maybe land a long-term deal. I don't know of a team that has a greater need for a starter than the skins.

Pitt. has a need there, but I don't see them signing him. Oakland might throw a few extra dollars his way.[/quote]

It would be curious to see if Pitt made a run at him, kinda like Canty with the Giants, the losing teams division foes make a good comparison to see if they think he is worth it.

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[quote=jsarno;555432]I was wondering about that...it doesn't say it on the cap summary page...it's blank.[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4111513&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines]Detroit Lions get more than $8 million in rookie pool - ESPN[/url]

ours is 3.46Million. I think it is at the end of the Salary Cap thread as well as CC's new numbers.

Re: Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

[quote=The Goat;555409]Well this is funny cuz i just posted today on the Bridges thread saying how surprising it is Levi hadn't been cut...

We need to sign him IMO, period. I know it will cost a pretty penny...probably take a good chunk of our cap space left on the year. Right now our RT prospects are mediocre (Jansen/Heyer) to longshot (Bridges/Williams). It's another recipe for disaster along the o-line position. Maybe most importantly we don't have anyone near talented enough to fill the void at LT if Samuels still struggles w/ injury. If the FO is serious about giving JC and the offense an opportunity to be great this year Levi Jones is the man...everything else is sort of half-assing it.[/quote]

I completely agree with The Goat. Even if it eats some of our $5 mil or $8 mil. cap space, whichever it is, this is the time to break out the checkbook.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;555437]well, and i don't know, but if we sign him to a market based contract (no where near the 3M he is due, but over vet min) and he is a camp cut, no harm no foul salary cap wise right? and if he is capable, than he helps us at a higher tag. I would price him under Dock, over vet min.[/quote]

Well Dockery is getting 3.2, so I would certainly hope he gets less. I am guessing your hope is that we get lucky and he plays most of the games, if not all? If he did, I'd be willing to pay more than vet min. (this is where incentives come in)

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[quote=jsarno;555448]Well Dockery is getting 3.2, so I would certainly hope he gets less. I am guessing your hope is that we get lucky and he plays most of the games, if not all? If he did, I'd be willing to pay more than vet min. (this is where incentives come in)[/quote]

I think he is a quality starter getting replaced by a HIGH priced rookie, and therefore he had to go. yes 3 years ago, he only started 6 games, 2 years ago he started 15, and last year he started the first 10. before that though he was a consistent 15-16 starter. No one, that I know, is saying he has lost a step like Jansen has (or it has been said). So if he we get him, he is the starter, and I believe he can backup Samuels as well. That is the type of player we are lacking, and who we have been keeping the last dollars of salary cap space available. I dont really know what would be a "right" price, but I think it is worth more than just vet min to have him. I am already glad they didn't trade a 6th round pick for him!

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I would love to see it. I like orakpo, but I was really hoping for Michael Oher. We need a tackle worse than anything. I don't get how we have a top 10 defense and a pathetic offense, and everyone says the QB has no time or protection from the RT, and we go after defense in the draft. I hope we address this need somehow and this guy would be an upgrade at some point.

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I think Jones may be headed to Buffalo, where he has a chance to start. I doubt he would somewhere like Denver or even here.

[url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-2146/Broncos-may-pursue-Levi-Jones.html]Broncos may pursue Levi Jones - AFC West - ESPN[/url]

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I like Dhani's tv show so we obviously need to sign him.

EDIT: I was thinking about Dhani and not Levi.

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If we can get him for a decent price then why the hell not.

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Would love to see Levi but its already a lot of cluster/competition at RT. I really believe that Jansen can only lose the job.

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[quote=jsarno;555367]Just an FYI, we have over 8 mil in cap space.

I do not think an often injured player is someone we should be looking at. He had a season ending injury last year, and we have had enough of that.

All the haters on Jansen...I am one of the few that thinks he might be able to make a solid comeback this year after a year of strengthening and conditioning his injured parts. Jansen was a GREAT tackle until injuries just derailed his career. I think we might be a little shocked how much better he will be. Then again, I could be wrong. Still, want to see if he can regain his form.[/quote]

I think Jansen will play better this year too. He's in better shape (his lateral movement is probably a lot better now that he's down to 295) and is a year removed from a season-ending injury. I'll bet he comes away with the RT job with Bridges backing him up. Heyer will backup Samuels.

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Bring in Levi asap !!he's better than most of our starters, and plays against two of the best blitzing teams in league four times a year (Baltimore and Pittsburgh ) he is the best answer at RT for us!!

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Lets look at it another way. How many OL will Zorn keep? Especially RT? Jansen is a give due to cap issues. Then you have to decide on the rest. If williams loses his weight and turns out to be a beast he will stay on. Then who? Briggs? Can they move Jansen to Guard and get better production and then have Williams, Briggs, Heyer, and ? That's only if they are keeping 4 RT's. I bet they only keep 3 and maybe fill other holes on the OL. Now would it be wise to bring in Jones? Who might he bump? Williams, Heyer? Briggs played some Guard also so I bet if he's any good he stays.

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[quote=Ruhskins;555510]I think Jones may be headed to Buffalo, where he has a chance to start. I doubt he would somewhere like Denver or even here.

[url=http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-2146/Broncos-may-pursue-Levi-Jones.html]Broncos may pursue Levi Jones - AFC West - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I think Seattle may have a shot at Levi too, he's visiting them right?

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[quote=SBXVII;555578]Lets look at it another way. How many OL will Zorn keep? Especially RT? Jansen is a give due to cap issues. Then you have to decide on the rest. If williams loses his weight and turns out to be a beast he will stay on. Then who? Briggs? Can they move Jansen to Guard and get better production and then have Williams, Briggs, Heyer, and ? That's only if they are keeping 4 RT's. I bet they only keep 3 and maybe fill other holes on the OL. Now would it be wise to bring in Jones? Who might he bump? Williams, Heyer? Briggs played some Guard also so I bet if he's any good he stays.[/quote]

I'm guessing you mean Bridges?

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[quote=Mattyk72;555614]I'm guessing you mean Bridges?[/quote]

He meant Bridges but why don't we get Briggs too! He wanted to come here and we still have next year's 1st. ha ha ha

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[quote=SmootSmack;555594]I think Seattle may have a shot at Levi too, he's visiting them right?[/quote]

Yup, he can take over Walter Jones' spot there.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9544894/Source:-OT-Jones-to-visit-Seahawks]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Source: OT Jones to visit Seahawks[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk72;555614]I'm guessing you mean Bridges?[/quote]

uh, yeah. Sorry. It was late. lol.

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[quote=John Denny;555535]I think Jansen will play better this year too. He's in better shape (his lateral movement is probably a lot better now that he's down to 295) and is a year removed from a season-ending injury. I'll bet he comes away with the RT job with Bridges backing him up. Heyer will backup Samuels.[/quote]

Absolutely. He might surprise. Certainly hope so. I've always liked him.

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Jim Zorn on Jansen: "Well, Jon's been great, because Jon's worked at right tackle, he's worked at guard, and he's helping us at center. And to be honest with you, he's doing a great job at center, communicating with the guards and getting people in the right place. You know, center's a very communicative position, and he's doing a great job with that. The quarterbacks like him because his butt's so tall, they can just stand up and look at things. They don't have to squat down."

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I hate the fact we're even talking about Jansen as the starter. Seriously, our long-suffering, overly loyal coaching staff has said the guy isn't starting material anymore (right after the season ended if I remember correctly).

The lineup should be Samuels, Dock, Rabach, Thomas, Jones
w/ backups Heyer, Bridges, Jansen, Rinehart, Williams.

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[quote=The Goat;555718]I hate the fact we're even talking about Jansen as the starter. Seriously, our long-suffering, overly loyal coaching staff has said the guy isn't starting material anymore (right after the season ended if I remember correctly).

The lineup should be Samuels, Dock, Rabach, Thomas, Jones
w/ backups Heyer, Bridges, Jansen, Rinehart, Williams.[/quote]


If the coaches considered Jansen the starter they wouldn't be have Williams in camp and Jansen wouldn't be taking snaps at guard and center

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;555723]If the coaches considered Jansen the starter they wouldn't be have Williams in camp and Jansen wouldn't be taking snaps at guard and center[/quote]

I hear you man, what I meant is folks around here talking about a Jansen comeback as starter...i guess it's cool to hope for the best but IMO there's a bigger picture.

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[quote=The Goat;555726]I hear you man, what I meant is folks around here talking about a Jansen comeback as starter...i guess it's cool to hope for the best but IMO there's a bigger picture.[/quote]

I gotcha. If he wins that job outright it would be a miracle.

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[quote=53Fan;555714]Jim Zorn on Jansen: "Well, Jon's been great, because Jon's worked at right tackle, he's worked at guard, and he's helping us at center. And to be honest with you, he's doing a great job at center, communicating with the guards and getting people in the right place. You know, center's a very communicative position, and he's doing a great job with that. The quarterbacks like him because his butt's so tall, they can just stand up and look at things. They don't have to squat down."[/quote]

I think Zorn saying this more likely solidifies Jansen NOT being our starting RT this year. Obviously they cant cut him for cap reasons so they are trying to find out if he can be useful in other positions. You don't see them trying Samuels or Dock or even Rabach at other positions. At best I think Jansen could end up being sixth man of the year (sorry, its NBA playoff time)

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According to the Washington Times there's no interest in Jones...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/may/07/no-interest-in-jones/]No interest in Jones - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=Redskins_P;555740]According to the Washington Times there's no interest in Jones...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/may/07/no-interest-in-jones/]No interest in Jones - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url][/quote]
If this had been JLC, I would have been waiting for the press conference anouncing his arrival!!!

Re: Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

[quote=cobracai1;555739]I think Zorn saying this more likely solidifies Jansen NOT being our starting RT this year. Obviously they cant cut him for cap reasons so they are trying to find out if he can be useful in other positions. You don't see them trying Samuels or Dock or even Rabach at other positions. At best I think Jansen could end up being sixth man of the year (sorry, its NBA playoff time)[/quote]

I agree. I think Jansen is a backup this year but could possibly push Rabach. At least that's the way I read it.

Re: Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;555344]Jones was due to make $3M this year in Cincy. He will not be signing for chump change wherever he goes.


There is something strange going on here. Levi Jones can still play; he is not old and he's not wracked with injuries. He does not have the reputation for being "felonious". So, why are the Bengals - - not a team with a real deep roster - - so anxious to draft his replacement and move him out?


Is there something dark here? Or is this just an example of why the Bengals are the Bengals?[/quote]Money. In the NFL, the fact that contracts are not guaranteed is secondary to the fact that if you have talent you keep it, usually. The Bengals however, feel that their 3 million could be better spent elsewhere or pocketed. So though Levi Jones has value to his team, the team feels like they can spend .8 million and get the same effect. So he's out.

I think of Levi Jones as the perfect backup LT. Injury prone, but he can come off the bench if Samuels gets hurt, so the fact that he's injury prone doesn't matter. Then, we can go with anyone at RT.

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[quote=GTripp0012;555779]Money. In the NFL, the fact that contracts are not guaranteed is secondary to the fact that if you have talent you keep it, usually. The Bengals however, feel that their 3 million could be better spent elsewhere or pocketed. [B]So though Levi Jones has value to his team, the team feels like they can spend .8 million and get the same effect. [/B] So he's out.

I think of Levi Jones as the perfect backup LT. Injury prone, but he can come off the bench if Samuels gets hurt, so the fact that he's injury prone doesn't matter. Then, we can go with anyone at RT.[/quote]

What? The Bengals being cheap? Again?

Re: Levi Jones released by the Bengals
 

[quote=GTripp0012;555779]Money. In the NFL, the fact that contracts are not guaranteed is secondary to the fact that if you have talent you keep it, usually. The Bengals however, feel that their 3 million could be better spent elsewhere or pocketed. So though Levi Jones has value to his team, the team feels like they can spend .8 million and get the same effect. So he's out.

[B]I think of Levi Jones as the perfect backup LT. Injury prone, but he can come off the bench if Samuels gets hurt, so the fact that he's injury prone doesn't matter.[/B] Then, we can go with anyone at RT.[/quote]

Me too...but would you play him at RT while Samuels was healthy or just let him ride the bench?

...btw what is the extent of Jones' injury history? Is he on the downward slide or did he just hit a rough patch.

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[quote=Redskins_P;555740]According to the Washington Times there's no interest in Jones...

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2009/may/07/no-interest-in-jones/]No interest in Jones - Redskins 360 - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

As I said, I don't think there's much interest from him as well. He will end up some team where he can start right away (i.e. Buffalo).

And it seems that he's not interested in Seattle.

[url=http://nmsn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9545680/Ex-Bengals-OT-calls-off-visit-to-Seattle]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Ex-Bengals OT calls off visit to Seattle[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;555783]Me too...but would you play him at RT while Samuels was healthy or just let him ride the bench?

...btw what is the extent of Jones' injury history? Is he on the downward slide or did he just hit a rough patch.[/quote]There's not enough information really to say whether he's going to be injury prone until he retires or if he's just been down for the last three seasons, but that's a rough trend.

Thusly, I wouldn't even play him at RT if we got him. I would put him right behind Samuels on the depth chart, and hope he never, ever has to see the field. If he does, then you have a guy in there who doesn't at all need a reduced playbook. Unlike someone else I can think of.

I think we're better off at RT now than we were last year easily, but OT remains a need if only because you can't assume any player is injury proof...especially a guy coming off of injury.

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[quote=Ruhskins;555843]As I said, I don't think there's much interest from him as well. He will end up some team where he can start right away (i.e. Buffalo).

And it seems that he's not interested in Seattle.

[url=http://nmsn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9545680/Ex-Bengals-OT-calls-off-visit-to-Seattle]FOX Sports on MSN - NFL - Ex-Bengals OT calls off visit to Seattle[/url][/quote]

That's because he wants to come to DC...he told me he can help this offense be great and he really, really hates seeing Jason on the turf half the season.