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LOL ^.....I think he meant Buress and Toomer. LOL

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:lol:

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[quote=SmootSmack;569977]Fantastic thread...which unfortunately will fall on many deaf ears (or blind eyes in the case of a message board)[/quote]


Point #1 is no biggie since we are looking to contest the division cellar with Dallas again.

Point #2 is just mind boggling with those WR stats, one must ask why we sucked so bad recordwise with that type of WR output.

Point #3 Haynesworth hasn't played a down yet so this acquisition evaluation can only be done by midseason at the earliest. As for the critics' saying the Danny has reverted to his old ways, you really can't blame them or say that they are flat out wrong either.Giving any one athlete, no matter good, a $100 million + deal is just asking for trouble in my book anyway. A Rod isn't worth half what Steinbrenner is paying him, neither was MJ in his early years with the Bulls for that matter as one guy no matter how special can get you a ring on his own.

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[quote=Paintrain;569972][B]1. The Redskins have the oldest, most injury prone OL in the division.[/B]
Actually the Cowboys have the oldest offensive line with no starter under 30 years old and an average age of 30.8. The Eagles have a younger offensive line but have 2 starters coming off of season ending injuries (Andrews-back and Andrews-torn ACL) and another addition that gave up 11.5 sacks (Peters). Samuels is the only Redskins OL that didn't finish the season last year and their average age is 29.8 years with 2 starters under 30.

[B]2. The Redskins have the least productive returning receiving corp in the division.[/B]
If you read anything in any preseason magazine or on any website or listened to any sports radio you'd think we had Santana Moss and a bunch of camp bodies catching the ball. In reality, we have the most productive receiving group in the division. Here are the top 6 returning pass catchers (WR, TE, RB) for every team in the NFC East:
Eagles
214 receptions, 2839 yards, 15 TD

Giants
159 receptions, 1795 yards, 12 TD

Cowboys
232 receptions, 2585 yards, 15 TD

Redskins
280 receptions, 3024 yards, 11 TD

While we're behind on the TD passes, it's pretty clear that we have the most productive receiving group. By the way, the Redskins numbers don't include Kelly or Davis, both of whom are expected to contribute much more to the passing game.

[B]3. The Haynesworth signing represents the 'same old Redskins' way of building a team and overall organizational instability.[/B] Of approximately 23 player additions to the roster over the past 3 years, 18 were either drafted or originally acquired by the Redskins (this includes Smoot and Dockery who returned in FA). The team is also the only one in the division who is returning it's entire coaching staff from last season and the only one who hasn't replaced their defensive coordinator from the start of last season.

I just wanted to throw some positive vibes and reality out there on the brink of training camp.[/quote]

Amazing stuff.

Where are offiss and irish?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;570126]Point #1 is no biggie since we are looking to contest the division cellar with Dallas again.

Point #2 is just mind boggling with those WR stats, one must ask why we sucked so bad recordwise with that type of WR output.

Point #3 Haynesworth hasn't played a down yet so this acquisition evaluation can only be done by midseason at the earliest. [B]As for the critics' saying the Danny has reverted to his old ways, you really can't blame them or say that they are flat out wrong either.[/B]Giving any one athlete, no matter good, a $100 million + deal is just asking for trouble in my book anyway. A Rod isn't worth half what Steinbrenner is paying him, neither was MJ in his early years with the Bulls for that matter as one guy no matter how special can get you a ring on his own.[/quote]

Actually if we hadn't gotten Haynesworth, the Giants would have. Can you imagine the Giants' D-line if they had gotten Haynesworth? Having a dominant player on your roster, rather than on your opponent's roster, can be good personnel sense while necessitating a heavy price tag. If you ask me the people who say, "Same old Danny," with regards to Haynesworth often overlook this aspect.

If he is a total bust, then yes, we will overpay him. But even if he is a bust, one can still defend the gamble on his talent, if not the final outcome of the gamble.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;570126]Point #1 is no biggie since we are looking to contest the division cellar with Dallas again.

Point #2 is just mind boggling with those WR stats, one must ask why we sucked so bad recordwise with that type of WR output.

Point #3 Haynesworth hasn't played a down yet so this acquisition evaluation can only be done by midseason at the earliest. As for the critics' saying the Danny has reverted to his old ways, you really can't blame them or say that they are flat out wrong either.Giving any one athlete, no matter good, a $100 million + deal is just asking for trouble in my book anyway. A Rod isn't worth half what Steinbrenner is paying him, neither was MJ in his early years with the Bulls for that matter as one guy no matter how special can get you a ring on his own.[/quote]

Umm, I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not cause I'm ignant like that so....

[B]Point #1:[/B] The Skins are the only team bringing back all their coach's and players, consistancy speaks volumes.

[B]Point #2: [/B]Considering the Skins only had 50 plays on offense. We were a run first offense. Our only WR threat was 5-10. and our O-line couldn't pass block for anything...would most likely explain your point. Maybe with some help on the O-line, 3 new pass catching threats (Kelly, Thomas,and Davis), and now 130+ new plays added to their repituar as JC has stated the team will be better.

[B]Point #3:[/B] You could say that about Orakpo cause he has not played a down. You might even be able to say we are unsure if AH will work out in our system, but his job is to rush the QB somewhere in between ....take on double teams and stop the run. He's done that for what 7yrs now. He's a proven commodity. The other big names had to know when to fall back into coverage or rush the QB...Archelleta, Taylor. AH will do fine.

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[quote=SBXVII;570134]Umm, I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not cause I'm ignant like that so....

[B]Point #1:[/B] The Skins are the only team bringing back all their coach's and players, consistancy speaks volumes.

[B]Point #2: [/B]Considering the Skins only had 50 plays on offense. We were a run first offense. Our only WR threat was 5-10. and our O-line couldn't pass block for anything...would most likely explain your point. Maybe with some help on the O-line, 3 new pass catching threats (Kelly, Thomas,and Davis), and now 130+ new plays added to their repituar as JC has stated the team will be better.

[B]Point #3:[/B] You could say that about Orakpo cause he has not played a down. You might even be able to say we are unsure if AH will work out in our system, but his job is to rush the QB somewhere in between ....take on double teams and stop the run. He's done that for what 7yrs now. He's a proven commodity. The other big names had to know when to fall back into coverage or rush the QB...Archelleta, Taylor. AH will do fine.[/quote]

Good point about the number of plays we had to work with SBXVII. Is it any wonder defenses caught up to us in the second half of the season? With only 50 plays and our o-line breaking down, no turnovers forced by our defense, dropped passes, and our kicker trying to get use to different holders, it's a wonder we scored at all in the second half of the season. These were real problems, not excuses. Even the assistant coaches were having to learn a new system. I think most, if not all, of these things have been addressed. I think some legitimate gripes have been made, but I also think Zorn installed what he could last year considering what he had to work with, and this year, Zorn, JC, and the Redskins in general, are going to make a lot of people eat their words.

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I want no excuses i want every NFC East team healthy, so when we whupp their A#s they can't say anything. I just beleive were better & that will make us beat them.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;570158]I want no excuses i want every NFC East team healthy, so when we whupp their A#s they can't say anything. I just beleive were better & that will make us beat them.[/quote]

You mean you don't want to hear for years how the only reason the Skins won was because it was a strike year? LOL.

I don't care how they label it. In the end (SB) the best teams are on the field. They might be able to say that about the regular season, heck they maybe able to say this was the year that the NFCE sucked...I don't care cause in the end...playoffs we play the best of the best. Then the best of the AFC.

People love to hate the Skins. They will find any excuse to down play a win or trophy. I honestly can see the Skins floating under the radar, going 7-0 in the games up to the bye and I bet you still see the media not mentioning them. Simply cause of last yr and how they went 6-2 then 2-6. Everyone will be waiting for the 0-7 second half of the yr so the Skins won't be mentioned until like week 11 or 12. I think we supprise people this yr.

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thanks for this paintrain, great stuff. is it august 13th yet?

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[quote=rbanerjee23;569985]good thread except the receiving one seems a little off base, yes the returning ones are the most productive but keep in mind that desean jackson is now in his second year and dmac now has macklin. Just because plaxico isn't returning doesn't mean those yards will disappear from the giants passing game. Finally, as much as i hate to admit it, romo is a good/very good regular season passer and the loss of to will not lead to a large dropoff in total passing yardage as roy williams will be in his second year in the system.
Now, admittedly, it is time for thomas, kelly, and davis to step up and contribute solidly to the passing game for us as well so as a whole the division looks to be pretty solid. But using returning stats is not very smart because by that logic, the pats are returning 0 yards...does that mean they suck?? The other two are huge points though so props for bringing that up[/quote]

Well this is surely not going to help Maclin help out that Eagle passing game.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4357757]Philadelphia Eagles' camp begins without top-pick Jeremy Maclin - ESPN[/url]

I hope we don't see this situation and sign Orakpo before camp starts.

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[quote=Beemnseven;569981]Maybe I'm not following here, but are you talking about starting pass catchers only?

Here's the way the stats line up in the NFC East according to NFL.com:

philly = 6th in the league in passing, 362 completions
dallas = 9th, 328 completions
nyg = 18th, 298 completions
was = 23rd, 318 completions

I guess there are statistical myths, as you've pointed out, but then there's actual results, and our passing game has been downright impotent for years.[/quote]

If a player comes off the bench and catches a TD, it still counts for 6 points.