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Apparently Rogers was awsome, because we only saw him acouple of times the whole game.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;588375]Apparently Rogers was awsome, because we only saw him acouple of times the whole game.[/quote]Rogers is our Asomugha.

Hall had the big money on that team as well.

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At least Hall can catch. For the life of me, I can't understand why Carlos Rogers can not catch a ball aimed at his face that hits him right in his hands. That would have been an EASY pick 6 that could have changed the whole complexion of the game. He shouldn't be allowed to leave practice until he catches 100 balls in a row. Every time he drops a ball, an angel loses his wings;)

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[quote=GMScud;588353]At least Hall was honest about his shitty performance. When Kelly Johnson interviewed him after the game, he called himself out for poor tackling, bad technique, and penalties. He said he played a lousy game, has some things to work on, and needs to get better.

He's got the skill set for sure. He knows he played like crap today and needs to step up. That doesn't excuse today's cruddy game, but at least he's humble and ready to go fix it this week. The only finger he pointed was at himself.[/quote]

Nice post.

I don't want to give up on Hall. I completely agree w/ the FO's decision to let Springs go...I watched him closely last season and by the end he was just not a #1 corner (his play against SF was downright awful). I highly doubt Springs rebounds in NE but I could be wrong. That said it seems like Vinny went "looking" for a quick fix to the inevitable loss of Springs and just wanted Hall to be that guy. Not a good football decision.

Hall needs to play tougher/more aggressive and he can be serviceable...Jerry and Greg should chew his ass all week for playing like a pussy.

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[quote=44Deezel;588387]At least Hall can catch. For the life of me, I can't understand why Carlos Rogers can not catch a ball aimed at his face that hits him right in his hands. That would have been an EASY pick 6 that could have changed the whole complexion of the game. He shouldn't be allowed to leave practice until he catches 100 balls in a row. Every time he drops a ball, an angel loses his wings;)[/quote]You're talking about a pass that wasn't thrown anywhere near Rogers. I don't know how viable an INT was. I do know that Rogers extended clearly to knock the ball away, so he wasn't even trying to catch it.

Sure if he catches it, he's probably gone, but it wasn't Rogers that Eli was trying to hit in the numbers. He just made a good play on the ball.

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[quote=44Deezel;588387]At least Hall can catch. For the life of me, I can't understand why Carlos Rogers can not catch a ball aimed at his face that hits him right in his hands. That would have been an EASY pick 6 that could have changed the whole complexion of the game. He shouldn't be allowed to leave practice until he catches 100 balls in a row. Every time he drops a ball, an angel loses his wings;)[/quote]

Rogers drops them but breaks plays too, Hall just gets burned and occasionally gets a ball that bounces right to him.

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why does he play 20 yards away from the line of scrimmage?

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I am going to ask my son's Highschool team to come down and.......school D. Hall on how NOT to wuss out and hide rather than man up, and tackle somebody bigger than he is.
.............ugly

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[quote=GTripp0012;588394]You're talking about a pass that wasn't thrown anywhere near Rogers. I don't know how viable an INT was. I do know that Rogers extended clearly to knock the ball away, so he wasn't even trying to catch it.

Sure if he catches it, he's probably gone, but it wasn't Rogers that Eli was trying to hit in the numbers. He just made a good play on the ball.[/quote]

I don't get why there's all this hate on Rogers. As much as I'd love to have him have 10 picks every season, I'd rather have him shut down the guy he's supposed to shut down. I mean what would people rather have? A db that gets burned a lot, has shoddy tackling and is out of position sometimes but also gets picks? Or a db that has horrible hands, but still manages to bat down a lot of balls that could've been picks but just ended up being incomplete? Because we have both. D.Hall is the first one and Rogers is the second.

And another thing that people don't think about is anyone could've caught that ball that Hall intercepted. That play was made by Landry, any member of the defense that was standing where Hall was could've grabbed that thing while it was in the air, Rogers included. Rogers just has problems catching the ball when it flies at him and hits him in the numbers too fast. Most of his picks come from balls that get batted or are in the air for a while long enough for him to see it and make a play on it.

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[quote=mooby;588423]I don't get why there's all this hate on Rogers. As much as I'd love to have him have 10 picks every season, I'd rather have him shut down the guy he's supposed to shut down. I mean what would people rather have? A db that gets burned a lot, has shoddy tackling and is out of position sometimes but also gets picks? Or a db that has horrible hands, but still manages to bat down a lot of balls that could've been picks but just ended up being incomplete? Because we have both. D.Hall is the first one and Rogers is the second.

And another thing that people don't think about is anyone could've caught that ball that Hall intercepted. That play was made by Landry, any member of the defense that was standing where Hall was could've grabbed that thing while it was in the air, Rogers included. Rogers just has problems catching the ball when it flies at him and hits him in the numbers too fast. Most of his picks come from balls that get batted or are in the air for a while long enough for him to see it and make a play on it.[/quote]

Bull's eye! :food-smil I truly hope our FO will resign Rogers..

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[quote=mooby;588423]I don't get why there's all this hate on Rogers. As much as I'd love to have him have 10 picks every season, I'd rather have him shut down the guy he's supposed to shut down. I mean what would people rather have? A db that gets burned a lot, has shoddy tackling and is out of position sometimes but also gets picks? Or a db that has horrible hands, but still manages to bat down a lot of balls that could've been picks but just ended up being incomplete? Because we have both. D.Hall is the first one and Rogers is the second.

And another thing that people don't think about is anyone could've caught that ball that Hall intercepted. That play was made by Landry, any member of the defense that was standing where Hall was could've grabbed that thing while it was in the air, Rogers included. Rogers just has problems catching the ball when it flies at him and hits him in the numbers too fast. Most of his picks come from balls that get batted or are in the air for a while long enough for him to see it and make a play on it.[/quote]

couldn't agree with you more, good post!!

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[quote=mooby;588423]I don't get why there's all this hate on Rogers. As much as I'd love to have him have 10 picks every season, I'd rather have him shut down the guy he's supposed to shut down. I mean what would people rather have? A db that gets burned a lot, has shoddy tackling and is out of position sometimes but also gets picks? Or a db that has horrible hands, but still manages to bat down a lot of balls that could've been picks but just ended up being incomplete? Because we have both. D.Hall is the first one and Rogers is the second.

And another thing that people don't think about is anyone could've caught that ball that Hall intercepted. That play was made by Landry, any member of the defense that was standing where Hall was could've grabbed that thing while it was in the air, Rogers included. Rogers just has problems catching the ball when it flies at him and hits him in the numbers too fast. Most of his picks come from balls that get batted or are in the air for a while long enough for him to see it and make a play on it.[/quote]

Bingo. Spot on. We need to hang on to Los.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588394]You're talking about a pass that wasn't thrown anywhere near Rogers. I don't know how viable an INT was. I do know that Rogers extended clearly to knock the ball away, so he wasn't even trying to catch it.

Sure if he catches it, he's probably gone, but it wasn't Rogers that Eli was trying to hit in the numbers. He just made a good play on the ball.[/quote]




Noo Carlos actually had a play on that ball. He dropped it.. it happened fast but he definetlely dropped it. You can't sit here and tell me he doesn't have the worst hands in the league. Him and smoot absolutely drop everything. Everyones giving Hall shit but he is effective but you have to put him in schemes that fit his talent. Smoot shouldn't even be in the league. He is absolutely an awful tackler, can't catch and gets burned constantly. But yea Carlos should be catching a million balls a practice..

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[quote=tdSKINS1;588470] Everyones giving Hall shit but he is effective but you have to put him in schemes that fit his talent. [/quote]


He can't play press coverage. He can't play zone.
What type of scheme fits his talent?

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[quote=GTripp0012;588359]Well, you know, he's a 5th year player. [B]And he's played like crap most of his career.[/B]

I understand that taking responsibility is the first step to improvement, but without some meaningless popularity contest (read: the pro bowl), the guy wouldn't have had this many chances already.

He's only 25, and hey, maybe the light goes on next week. But he might not realize if not for his athleticism, he would have been out of the league after last year.[/quote]
That's a bit harsh, he was excellent in Atlanta for 3 years and flamed out in a season where the entire team flamed out. Everyone is terrible in Oakland and he played well for us last season. I understand that Hall is as polarizing as Campbell in love him/hate him but he's nowhere nearly as bad as you're portraying him.

Since I'm not from the DMV area and don't have any non Redskins regional alliances there I wonder sometimes if some opinions were formed based on other factors.

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[quote=jamf;588496]He can't play press coverage. He can't play zone.
What type of scheme fits his talent?[/quote]

He's an excellent zone/combo coverage corner. He's not as good playing press man with his back to the QB. That's pretty well known.

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[quote=jamf;588496]He can't play press coverage. He can't play zone.
What type of scheme fits his talent?[/quote]

And what was Vinny smoking when they signed him for $22.5 Mil guaranteed money. Very bad investment, add another one to the list.

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[quote=Paintrain;588499]Since I'm not from the DMV area and don't have any non Redskins regional alliances there I wonder sometimes if some opinions were formed based on other factors.[/quote]


That goes on a lot around here..lol. There are a few names you can bring up that will cause a few people to go nuts..lol.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588525]That goes on a lot around here..lol. There are a few names you can bring up that will cause a few people to go nuts..lol.[/quote]
You have a point.

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[quote=tdSKINS1;588470]Noo Carlos actually had a play on that ball. He dropped it.. it happened fast but he definetlely dropped it. You can't sit here and tell me he doesn't have the worst hands in the league. [B]Him and smoot absolutely drop everything. [/B]Everyones giving Hall shit but he is effective but you have to put him in schemes that fit his talent. Smoot shouldn't even be in the league. He is absolutely an awful tackler, can't catch and gets burned constantly. But yea Carlos should be catching a million balls a practice..[/quote]

I think to drop something you have to be near it. Smoot was getting burned all day long. Seems like as soon as you get rid of Leigh Torrence, somebody else has to take his spot. At this rate, Smoot is better as a dime back rather than a Nickel... Keep this up and he'll end up solely on special teams (we are in need of a new Ade...)

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[quote=GTripp0012;588394]You're talking about a pass that wasn't thrown anywhere near Rogers. I don't know how viable an INT was. I do know that Rogers extended clearly to knock the ball away, so he wasn't even trying to catch it.

Sure if he catches it, he's probably gone, but it wasn't Rogers that Eli was trying to hit in the numbers. He just made a good play on the ball.[/quote]

Have to disagree w/ this. Looked very much like Los got two hands on the ball...also looked very upset w/ himself that he couldn't bring it in.

There's no two ways about it Los is not a corner that creates turnovers. Fortunately he's a great cover corner when healthy, confident etc.

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[quote=The Goat;588536]Have to disagree w/ this. Looked very much like Los got two hands on the ball...also looked very upset w/ himself that he couldn't bring it in.

There's no two ways about it Los is not a corner that creates turnovers. Fortunately he's a great cover corner when healthy, confident etc.[/quote]
He is right.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;588525]That goes on a lot around here..lol. There are a few names you can bring up that will cause a few people to go nuts..lol.[/quote]

Oh, I am 100% convinced that if Marcus Mason was from Dempsey, Iowa he wouldn't be on our 53 or even been invited back to camp.

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Lets give D Hall another chance. He is no Arch or Lloyd.. I am going to bed.

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[quote=70Chip;588119]This guy is an absolute disaster. No physicality and got beat on the Giants last drive. Brandon lloyd + Leigh Torrance = Huge waste of money. Cerrato SHOULD be at the end of the line. His radio show alone merits dismissal. Offensive coordinators around the league will be licking their chops when they see how chumpish Hall is. It's exasperating.[/quote]


Just last week I recall mentioning in a post that it wouldn't be long before people would be saying "I told you so" in reference to Hall. His problems startred in the first pre-season game and it would apear he hasn't gotten his act together yet. I'd much rather have a healthy Shaun Springs.

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Wow just watched PGL video w/ Hall and he really took himself to task. I dunno. I really respect that kind of honesty.

...I hope he gets better. I think he really wants to be a Redskin and wants to make the team better.

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[quote=The Goat;588545]Wow just watched PGL video w/ Hall and he really took himself to task. I dunno. I really respect that kind of honesty.

...I hope he gets better. I think he really wants to be a Redskin and wants to make the team better.[/quote]


I watched his post game coments on Comcast, he did stand up and take responsibility, but in reality, what else was he going to say about his play? The world was watching.

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[quote=Longtimefan;588544]Just last week I recall mentioning in a post that it wouldn't be long before people would be saying "I told you so" in reference to Hall. His problems startred in the first pre-season game and it would apear he hasn't gotten his act together yet. [B]I'd much rather have a healthy Shaun Springs.[/B][/quote]
Too bad it's not 2001.

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Hall had a bad game. Actually our DB's kind of had a bad game, not just Hall. However give the Giants wr's credit. They made the plays and our guys couldn't stop them.

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[quote=70Chip;588119]This guy is an absolute disaster. No physicality and got beat on the Giants last drive. Brandon lloyd + Leigh Torrance = Huge waste of money. Cerrato SHOULD be at the end of the line. His radio show alone merits dismissal. Offensive coordinators around the league will be licking their chops when they see how chumpish Hall is. It's exasperating.[/quote]

Very creative thread, just as creative and as effective as our offensive playcalling against the Giants. :doh:

It's already bad enough we have to suffer through a bad game (since you know they do happen), but then we have to come here to these wonderful threads.

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[quote=skinsfan69;588563]Hall had a bad game. Actually our DB's kind of had a bad game, not just Hall. However give the Giants wr's credit. They made the plays and our guys couldn't stop them.[/quote]

He had a bad start last year in Oakland, then got cut had an ok time with the skins granted Springs was playing with him, Had a horrible pre-season, etc. No excuses when you make $22.5 Mil guaranteed you better play great and not commit stupid personal fouls and should be able to tackle.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;588572]He had a bad start last year in Oakland, then got cut had an ok time with the skins granted Springs was playing with him, Had a horrible pre-season, etc. No excuses when you make $22.5 Mil guaranteed [B]you better play great and not commit stupid personal fouls and should be able to tackle[/B].[/quote]

You could be talking about Hall or Landry on this one (minus the 22.5 mil).

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[quote=Ruhskins;588577]You could be talking about Hall or Landry on this one (minus the 22.5 mil).[/quote]

Landry can at least hit, but I'm getting fed up with his bullshit committing stupid personal fouls. I'm tired of all this "me" players.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;588580]Landry can at least hit, but I'm getting fed up with his bullshit committing stupid personal fouls. I'm tired of all this "me" players.[/quote]

Landry needs to grow up. I hate these "one-player's fault thread". Or in this case, someone who wants to remind everyone how much they hate one player (D. Hall) and bring up how much they harped at this acquisition. Everyone had their terrible moments. Smoot needs to learn how to tackle, the entire defense needs to learn how to cover, and Landry needs to remember that personal fouls = 15 yard penalties.

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[quote=Ruhskins;588583]Landry needs to grow up. I hate these "one-player's fault thread". Or in this case, someone who wants to remind everyone how much they hate one player (D. Hall) and bring up how much they harped at this acquisition. Everyone had their terrible moments. Smoot needs to learn how to tackle, the entire defense needs to learn how to cover, and Landry needs to remember that personal fouls = 15 yard penalties.[/quote]

Yes, I hate D. Hall. Do you think he's worth what he is getting paid from what you've seen in the pre-season and today? I can guarantee that he will commit more personal fouls as the season progresses and hurt the team.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;588595]Yes, I hate D. Hall. Do you think he's worth what he is getting paid from what you've seen in the pre-season and today? I can guarantee that he will commit more personal fouls as the season progresses and hurt the team.[/quote]

In all fairness, he didn't get a 5 game contract. Would it make a difference to you if he was getting paid $1 million a year? Who cares what he's getting paid? Would it make the penalties more acceptable? Did he get a personal foul today or a block in the back on special teams. I really don't understand the level of hatred for a guy who has played less than a full season for us.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;588595]Yes, I hate D. Hall. Do you think he's worth what he is getting paid from what you've seen in the pre-season and today? I can guarantee that he will commit more personal fouls as the season progresses and hurt the team.[/quote]

Well I'm not defending him either, honestly though for me Landry pissed me off more...he still acting like the undisciplined rookie he was committing all those personal fouls, and as I said, he seemed to be focused more on hitting Jacobs as revenge for last year than actually playing. Honestly all of the DBs were a disappointment given how they were not able to cover these young receivers.

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[quote=Paintrain;588602]In all fairness, he didn't get a 5 game contract. Would it make a difference to you if he was getting paid $1 million a year? Who cares what he's getting paid? Would it make the penalties more acceptable? Did he get a personal foul today or a block in the back on special teams. I really don't understand the level of hatred for a guy who has played less than a full season for us.[/quote]Here's why it matters: if D-Hall was making one million a year, his play on the field would determine how long he remains 1) in the starting lineup, and 2) on the team. Now that he makes $500,000 a week, he doesn't have to improve to keep getting paid.

Essentially, what he contributes to the team is non-essential to him having a job in the starting lineup.

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[quote=Paintrain;588602]In all fairness, he didn't get a 5 game contract. Would it make a difference to you if he was getting paid $1 million a year? Who cares what he's getting paid? Would it make the penalties more acceptable? Did he get a personal foul today or a block in the back on special teams. I really don't understand the level of hatred for a guy who has played less than a full season for us.[/quote]

I go back to his 5 year history. He's an over rated prima donna, should have kept Springs. I've seen this guy get burned and taunt opposing WR's, commit personal fouls over the last 5 years (nothing has changed, maybe he's acting less cocky) and kill his teams. Did you notice when he made the interception that instead of getting out of bounds he wanted to take it to the house and risk a fumble?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;588580]Landry can at least hit, but I'm getting fed up with his bullshit committing stupid personal fouls. I'm tired of all this "me" players.[/quote]

I dunno. Landry is overall a bigger disappointment for me than Hall (talking big picture here). Landry doesn't even try to lay the wood on anyone unless they're already out of bounce or otherwise have nothing to do w/ the play. It's extremely odd. All in all he's not a dominant free safety. Maybe he can be an average SS but we've already got one of those.