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[quote=freddyg12;602907]that's really out of nowhere! By "standard mid-week workout" do you mean that throughout the season this is done quite often?

I am still disappointed that Betts doesn't get any carries. Has he lost a step or do they just want to get CP in a groove? Betts has got to have as much or more burst than CP at this point.[/quote]

What? Betts sucks dude!! Don't you know he is older than Portis? To add to that has never been faster than Portis. Supposedly is more of a power runner than Portis. But isn't. Portis [B]used to[/B] get into the end zone on short yardage but Betts has been having problems for a few years now. I just can't take this comment seriously.

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Jason Campbell:
Without a doubt he definately needs to protect the ball better in the pocket. This has been an ongoing problem, time he got that corrected. It's not all the time you'll be able to overcome four turnovers and still come out with a win, the level of competition had more to do with that than anything else. Four turnovers you lose against a good team.

Malcom Kelly:
Does not get a great deal of seperation from the defender on some routes, others, maybe the QB should consider putting it up, give him an opportunity to use his athletic ability and make a play. The INT thrown in his direction Sunday was one that should not have been thrown into that type coverage. He could have made more of an effort to come back for the ball (maybe) but the BL is, it was an ill-advised throw.

Carlos Rogers:
Typical of what's been going on for him when the ball hits him where it's hard for him to catch it. In all fairness though I think Carlos thought that was just a pass play broken up and didn't expect the ball to even come to him. The ball surprised him........again

Todd Yoder:
A player of his experience should have known better......but

Hunter Smith:
Has already punted far more than he did all last year in Indy. As a matter of fact the first pre-season game surpassed his punt total of all last year. A groin injury is not surprising considering.......Get well quickly Hunter.

Sam Huff:
#70 is not what he used to be.

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Henry, of course, used to play for Sherman Smith so I'm sure that played a big part in him getting a workout

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[quote=SmootSmack;602930]Henry, of course, used to play for Sherman Smith so I'm sure that played a big part in him getting a workout[/quote]
What was the dude that used to play for the Broncos that got kicked out of the league. Can't think of his name. I think it was Travis Henry. Got them confused for a second. Saw the pic and was like nevermind.. lol

Chris Henry isn't that impressive.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;602711]I'm with you and I think that he's the least of our problems. If it's me, I'm giving him a 2-4 year extension, and work on building the lines.

People can talk about Zorn, talk about Campbell all they want, but then after that they want us to draft linemen. We can't have it both ways. If we end up drafting another QB (most likely a first round pick) then the cycle just begins again.

I want a highly touted OL with our first pick in the draft this year. I don't care what anyone wants to say, Campbell is a slightly above average QB and I'll take that any day of the week until our line has improved.[/quote]

I am inclined to agree with you even though I disagree about JC being a slightly above average qb...people can whine and complain about the fact that he has had 5 years and he still makes mistakes. BUILD THE OL

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602927]What? Betts sucks dude!! Don't you know he is older than Portis? To add to that has never been faster than Portis. Supposedly is more of a power runner than Portis. But isn't. Portis [B]used to[/B] get into the end zone on short yardage but Betts has been having problems for a few years now. I just can't take this comment seriously.[/quote]

He's older, but hasn't had nearly as many carries & injuries. Also hasn't bulked up like Portis. Betts isn't a short yardage back. As for his speed, I honestly don't know who is faster, do you? Betts was hitting holes as quick a few years ago as Portis was IMO. I know his #s are down the last 2 years & this year, but I attribute that as much to his limited opportunities.

If he has fallen off so much (and I just don't see that in relation to CP, who has looked slower this year) why did the coaching staff praise him this summer & give him the 3rd down job?

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[quote=freddyg12;602945]He's older, but hasn't had nearly as many carries & injuries. [/quote]

Actually, Betts has had far more injuries that cause him to miss games than Portis has, even with one third of the amount of carries as Portis.

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Hasn't Chris Henry had serious injury problems? I could've swore he was oft-injured while in Tennessee.

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It's heart breaking to think that Rogers could be a pro bowl corner if he could catch, Unfortunately he couldn't catch herpes from a Tijuana hooker.

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[quote=Southpaw;602958]Actually, Betts has had [B]far more[/B] injuries that cause him to miss games than Portis has, even with one third of the amount of carries as Portis.[/quote]

really, "far more"? I thought back & you're right, he's missed a lot of games dating back to the spurrier years up to last year. My point though was that he's had a lot less wear & tear on his body, and he seems the same to me. Maybe he's lost a step but he hasn't put on a lot of weight like CP over the years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;602918]Or Levi Jones. I think it's also insane that Junior Seau's corpse is about to sign with Darth Hoody, yet Derrick Brooks is still out there.[/quote]

Jones worked out with the Packers today. Don't think he signed though

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[quote=skinsfan69;602732]JC..I was watching a little bit of Balt NE and this guy Flacco is already better than JC. He just looks more comfortable out there, looks more like a polished NFL QB in his 2nd year. Just an observation. But glad to see JC bring us back and play a nice 2nd half.

Kelly....Where is Marko Mitchell? I'm tired of both Kelly and Thomas.

Rogers...His job is to cover the other teams WR, not catch the ball. So as bad as he is at catching the ball, let's all remember he's a DB, not a wr.[/quote]Flacco is probably the most improved QB in the NFL, last year to this year. I thought Campbell was a LOT better last year, but now, Flacco probably holds a small edge. Flacco is a top 11 or 12 QB.

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[quote=freddyg12;602993]really, "far more"? I thought back & you're right, he's missed a lot of games dating back to the spurrier years up to last year. My point though was that he's had a lot less wear & tear on his body, and he seems the same to me. Maybe he's lost a step but he hasn't put on a lot of weight like CP over the years.[/quote]

I am not a stats person but: [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/ladellbetts/profile?id=BET780192"]Ladell Betts[/URL]

Betts hasn't had a good game limited carries or not in a while. If there is not hole Betts is not effective. I can say the same for Portis this year. But int eh past Portis has been able to grind out a yard even when the line wasn't at it's Betts. If he was that good we wouldn't be bringing in other backs and wouldn't have Mason on the team.

Between him and Rock they are pretty much not productive. But they are two of the 5 backs listed on our RB depth chart.

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[quote=SmootSmack;603124]Jones worked out with the Packers today. Don't think he signed though[/quote]

Any idea why no team has signed him?

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[quote=Ruhskins;603133]Any idea why no team has signed him?[/quote]

No idea

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[quote=jamf;602969]It's heart breaking to think that Rogers could be a pro bowl corner if he could catch, Unfortunately he couldn't catch herpes from a Tijuana hooker.[/quote]

The Skins better not give this guy big money to stay next year (I really don't think they will). He's had so many opportunities for big game changing type plays, and he just fails to make them time after time.

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[quote=Mattyk72;603252]The Skins better not give this guy big money to stay next year (I really don't think they will). He's had so many opportunities for big game changing type plays, and he just fails to make them time after time.[/quote]

Sure, I'd rather he catch more potential INTs but his coverage and tackling is typically pretty good. If we let him go, I think it's a typical move where we could sign him to a decent contract but instead let him walk and either waste another top pick on a DB or HOPE and pray that Barnes and Tryon are ready.

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[quote=Mattyk72;603252]The Skins better not give this guy big money to stay next year (I really don't think they will). He's had so many opportunities for big game changing type plays, and he just fails to make them time after time.[/quote]

See here is my thing w/ Rogers. Everyone jumps on him for dropping balls but would you rather him constantly get burned? I'd rather him hold his man down. That's what corners are suppose to do and he is probably our best cover corner.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;603258]Sure, I'd rather he catch more potential INTs but his coverage and tackling is typically pretty good. If we let him go, I think it's a typical move where we could sign him to a decent contract but instead let him walk and either waste another top pick on a DB or HOPE and pray that Barnes and Tryon are ready.[/quote]

I agree that Rogers is a very solid cb. Don't know why he faltered last year or fell out of favor w/Blache. Even when he's been beaten this year he was in position but just couldn't make a play on the ball (the johnson td in detroit e.g.).

I think they may have a problem on getting his agent to agree to much less $ than Hall is getting. I don't see how they could keep both at huge salaries.

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[quote=skinsfan69;603259]See here is my thing w/ Rogers. Everyone jumps on him for dropping balls but would you rather him constantly get burned? I'd rather him hold his man down. That's what corners are suppose to do and he is probably our best cover corner.[/quote]

Just saying he's not worth a big $$ investment.

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[quote=skinsfan69;603259]See here is my thing w/ Rogers. Everyone jumps on him for dropping balls but would you rather him constantly get burned? I'd rather him hold his man down. That's what corners are suppose to do and he is probably our best cover corner.[/quote]

Rogers has had opportunities to turn games around and create wins. If he could catch the ball better than a 6 yr. old girl with any kind of consistency at all, he would be one of the best in the league. As it is, he is still a good cover corner. If anything, he has stopped himself from being considered elite and cost himself a fair amount of money. It's not his fault that some games were lost, but the ending could have been different had he held on to the ball. For as many balls as he's dropped, he was also in the right place to break up the pass. Just wish the dude could catch.

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[quote=53Fan;603275]Rogers has had opportunities to turn games around and create wins. If he could catch the ball better than a 6 yr. old girl with any kind of consistency at all, he would be one of the best in the league. As it is, he is still a good cover corner. If anything, he has stopped himself from being considered elite and cost himself a fair amount of money. It's not his fault that some games were lost, but the ending could have been different had he held on to the ball. For as many balls as he's dropped, he was also in the right place to break up the pass. Just wish the dude could catch.[/quote]

I think teams actually look to go at him because they know he cant catch and therefore a mistake wont result in an INT.

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[quote=53Fan;603275]Rogers has had opportunities to turn games around and create wins. If he could catch the ball better than a 6 yr. old girl with any kind of consistency at all, he would be one of the best in the league. As it is, he is still a good cover corner. If anything, he has stopped himself from being considered elite and cost himself a fair amount of money. It's not his fault that some games were lost, but the ending could have been different had he held on to the ball. For as many balls as he's dropped, he was also in the right place to break up the pass. Just wish the dude could catch.[/quote]

This would be fine on a team that expects the defense to be just average (teams that have strength in other areas). However, our defense is supposed to be one of the best and is supposed to be one of our "playmaker" units. And in situations like this, the defense is expected to make a play and come up with the pick. I'm not going to say that Rogers' drops have cost us games or anything (that'd be stupid to say), however, his drops are one of many signs that we do not have an elite defense like Baltimore, Minnesota, or Pittsburgh (with Polamalu)

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remember that pick 6 he got on detroit 2 years ago? He read that thing & made a perfect catch in stride. On the other hand, he's read plays before (pitt last year) & dropped it.

It seems like he really can't catch the ones that he's surprised by that land right on the #s.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;602932]What was the dude that used to play for the Broncos that got kicked out of the league. Can't think of his name. I think it was Travis Henry. Got them confused for a second. Saw the pic and was like nevermind.. lol

[B]Chris Henry isn't that impressive[/B].[/quote]

From his Wiki page:

[B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Henry_(running_back)&action=edit&section=4"][COLOR=#0000ff]edit[/COLOR][/URL]] Tennessee Titans[/B]

Henry was selected in the second round (50th overall pick) of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NFL_draft"][COLOR=#0000ff]2007 NFL draft[/COLOR][/URL] by the Tennessee Titans. On November 3, 2007, Henry received a four game suspension from the NFL for violating the league's [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_abuse"][COLOR=#0000ff]substance abuse[/COLOR][/URL] policy. Henry reportedly tested positive for a banned prescription medication that is not [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance-enhancing_drugs"][COLOR=#0000ff]performance-enhancing[/COLOR][/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Henry_(running_back)#cite_note-0"][COLOR=#0000ff][1][/COLOR][/URL] He finished his rookie season rushing for 119 yards on 31 carries and two [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdowns"][COLOR=#0000ff]touchdowns[/COLOR][/URL] in seven games.
During his second season Henry played in only one game and got only one carry for three yards.
Henry was released by the Titans on September 29, 2009.

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[quote=Ruhskins;603277]This would be fine on a team that expects the defense to be just average (teams that have strength in other areas). However, our defense is supposed to be one of the best and is supposed to be one of our "playmaker" units. And in situations like this, the defense is expected to make a play and come up with the pick. I'm not going to say that Rogers' drops have cost us games or anything (that'd be stupid to say), however, his drops are one of many signs that we do not have an elite defense like Baltimore, Minnesota, or Pittsburgh (with Polamalu)[/quote]If Rogers was actually playing like a shutdown corner like the last two years, the drops could be excused as part of his charm. As it has been though, he's been covering like a fringe number one corner this year, which makes a flat drop on an INT exponentially more frusterating.

If he's not 100% because of injury, I'd like to see him use the reduced game speed to his advantage, and slow down and pay attention to detail, like catching a ball that hits you in the chest. Right now, he's underacheving a bit, and for a guy in a contract year, it's disappointing to say the least.

But he's still our best corner, at the end of the day.

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One pick changes everything for Los.

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[quote=hooskins;603327]One pick changes everything for Los.[/quote]

Wish it was the one in the playoff game against the Seahawks...

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[quote=GTripp0012;603127]Flacco is probably the most improved QB in the NFL, last year to this year. I thought Campbell was a LOT better last year, but now, Flacco probably holds a small edge. Flacco is a top 11 or 12 QB.[/quote]

What the hell is that Kool-Aid laced with? Flacco has been head and shoulders better since the middle of last year. Campbell would have a hell of a time even beating out Troy Smith to back-up Flacco. And we don't even need to debate it. Campbell will likely bounce around the league as a backup for the rest of his career while Flacco will start for the Ravens for the next 10-15 years. File this under 'Wait and See.'

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[quote=44Deezel;603356]What the hell is that Kool-Aid laced with? Flacco has been head and shoulders better since the middle of last year. Campbell would have a hell of a time even beating out Troy Smith to back-up Flacco. And we don't even need to debate it. Campbell will likely bounce around the league as a backup for the rest of his career while Flacco will start for the Ravens for the next 10-15 years. File this under 'Wait and See.'[/quote]Not even close. Not even close.

It's securely filed.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603369]Not even close. Not even close.

It's securely filed.[/quote]

Yeah this needs to be debated later on, but right now? Flacco just looks the part of a total stud QB for the next decade or more. Now I don't think there is any need to debate Troy Smith and JC.

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[quote=skinsfan69;603376]Yeah this needs to be debated later on, but right now? Flacco just looks the part of a total stud QB for the next decade or more. Now I don't think there is any need to debate Troy Smith and JC.[/quote]Flacco, I don't think he sees the whole field yet, but like Campbell he can already get though the entire progression quickly enough to get the ball out. Which is critical if his LT is out for awhile. And the guy is only 24.

Last year he was a big time ball holder. But then again, he was a rookie, so it was understandable.

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[quote=GTripp0012;603378]Flacco, I don't think he sees the whole field yet, but like [B]Campbell he can already get though the entire progression quickly enough to get the ball out[/B]. Which is critical if his LT is out for awhile. And the guy is only 24.

Last year he was a big time ball holder. But then again, he was a rookie, so it was understandable.[/quote]

Now that's just crazy talk!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;603382]Now that's just crazy talk![/quote]You don't agree?

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[quote=GTripp0012;603384]You don't agree?[/quote]

Sometimes he looks good. Sometimes he's like a deer in head lights waiting to get hit, and he does. I think Flacco is a much better QB.