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[quote=Chevy13;603700]You might need someone to help you read these posts because I supposedly said many things that weren't there. There's no need to assume or try to read more into what someone is trying to say, just read what they said and respond to that not what you think they are trying to say. You should try to be one of those sports journalists they like to twist and take things out of context all the time...[/quote]


Dude my response was to [B]DBUCHANON101[/B] and you. Sorry I didn't specify. But a far as Joe Flacco. I was just saying he was set up to succeed and was brought in to a team with a good running game and great defense --these can beee a rookie QB's best friends. Not that he didn't have any talent. Did you say anything about Orton & Cutler? No you didn't. Maybe you need to read posts a little better. Twist that.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603863]Dude my response was to [B]DBUCHANON101[/B] and you. Sorry I didn't specify. But a far as Joe Flacco. I was just saying he was set up to succeed and was brought in to a team with a good running game and great defense --these can beee a rookie QB's best friends. Not that he didn't have any talent. Did you say anything about Orton & Cutler? No you didn't. Maybe you need to read posts a little better. Twist that.[/quote]

No "Dude" I was responding to how you were saying things that weren't on my post just like you did with DBUCHANON101 saying he was talking about those receivers when he said nothing about those specific receivers. You twisted his like mine but it's no big deal I don't really care you have good points he did get the good defense and running game (which I never said he didn't have). what I've been trying to say is apart from his defense he just seems to manage the OFFENSE better as a rookie or just as well as JC with more than a few years experience. I see more potential in Flacco to be a top notch QB than I do for JC as he seems to put the offense on his shoulders at times and makes big plays so NO i'm not sayin JC sucks or that JC will never be a great QB I don't want you to "twist" my words I saying that ME as a fan I think Flacco can make the big plays and score points and JC just hasn't been doing it (consistently). and YES I believe changing play books hurt his progress but I'm not willing to use that excuse for all his flaws like you are. Yes it would be hard for him to adjust and he might struggle but I think he should still have made more progress than he has he's a professional QB and he knows how to make a pass pain and simple he doesn't have the timing down yet but how much longer is that going to be the excuse????

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I think it's time to let Collins get some reps. We're going on 12 games of shitty offense. 12-14 points a game is pathetic. This offense reminds me of the 93 team w/ Rod Dowhower calling the plays. And although it's not all on JC he has to take part of the blame. We're not talking about Peyton Manning here. It's not going to hurt to let Collins take a few series as well as getting Mitchell on the field too. Some changes need to be made.

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Where is Pete Kendall now? I think he's still available. (I really don't care where Shanahan is. He's the wrong choice anyway, so Snyder will probably hire him!)

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[quote=skinsfan69;603929]I think it's time to let Collins get some reps. We're going on 12 games of shitty offense. 12-14 points a game is pathetic. This offense reminds me of the 93 team w/ Rod Dowhower calling the plays. And although it's not all on JC he has to take part of the blame. We're not talking about Peyton Manning here. It's not going to hurt to let Collins take a few series as well as getting Mitchell on the field too. Some changes need to be made.[/quote]

Why not just jump down to Andre Woodson and give him the reps?

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On second thought, I'd stay with JC and start working with the offensive line. Those guys can't be as bad as they look. Bugel needs to step back and look at what his linemen are doing right and what they are doing wrong. Then fix the problem. Maybe it's a conditoning problem. That's what it looks like the problem is with Haynesworth. Some of those guys are tired because they're carrying around huge contracts!

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It's time to consider a switch at QB. This season can't get any worse and we're better off seeing what we have. I know it's not all JC's fault but I think it's for the best if we shake things up even if it's only temporarily.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;607190]It's time to consider a switch at QB. This season can't get any worse and we're better off seeing what we have. I know it's not all JC's fault but I think it's for the best if we shake things up even if it's only temporarily.[/quote]

If the starting oline was healthy then maybe I consider a QB change. The fact of the matter is that Collins is much slower than Campbell. If JC is not capable of escaping the pressure, then I know that Collins will not fair much better without better protection.

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And nor should he be... at least Campbell is somewhat mobile, Collins would get absolutley tee'd off on back there... At this point, its everyone. There is not a single quarterback in the league, Brady and Manning included who can be successful behind the type of protection we have right now.

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[quote=Angry;607196]If the starting oline was healthy then maybe I consider a QB change. The fact of the matter is that Collins is much slower than Campbell. If JC is not capable of escaping the pressure, then I know that Collins will not fair much better without better protection.[/quote]
Yeah, but for once we might see a QB who actually goes through his progessions like he's supposed to and maybe get the ball off quickly vs. holding on to the ball too long and going through his progessions too fast. Plus it would be nice to see a QB use someone other then Moss, Cooley, and ARE all the time. Besides, Collins most likely got to work a lot more with Kelly and Thomas and most likely Mitchell cause they weren't the 1st or 2nd WR on the list which means Collins had to work with someone....Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell.

Re: Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;607190]It's time to consider a switch at QB. This season can't get any worse and we're better off seeing what we have. I know it's not all JC's fault but I think it's for the best if we shake things up even if it's only temporarily.[/quote]We already know what we have is a complete disaster of an offense. I kinda feel you get more bang for your buck seeing if Campbell can work any miracles with the current offense, and if he can't, well then pick your direction at seasons end.

Campbell has played adequately to this point, but if the team hasn't built around him to this point, I don't see why the future would hold better days. The time to improve the offense around Campbell has been more than enough, and we've just never got beyond the level of slightly above average on offense, and even those days were fleeting.

If Zorn thought Todd Collins could save the season, I'm sure he would have pulled the trigger by now. I don't think anyone thinks he's the answer.

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I put a lot of blame on Santana Moss for never developing a rapport with Campbell. They got here in the same season, but Moss was only effective with Brunell and Collins throwing to him. Campbell had no problem turning Cooley into a pro bowl tight end, so to me, Moss' inability to be a true no. 1 WR with Campbell at quarterback is no ones fault but Santana Moss'.

Randle El has had the three best seasons (well, two and a quarter) of his career with Campbell at QB, so clearly, JC is not the problem with the receivers. IMO, Moss never did what it took to continue his greatness into his 30s.

Thomas, Kelly, and Davis were all overdrafts, albeit of varying degrees. That's on Vinny.

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This team's problems go far beyond who's the QB, head coach, etc.

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Man, I'm going to projectile vomit if I hear Zorn or Larry Michael talk about how "hard" everybody is working one more time. There are 31 other teams that don't work hard. Players and coaches get paid for results, not effort. Produce or sell produce.

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I thought this was an interesting article;

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/23/which-quarterbacks-hold-the-ball-too-long/]Which NFL Quarterbacks Hold The Ball Too Long? -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

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I wonder what those numbers look like today.

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If the Skins were going to switch QB's it'd have to be to a young guy. You can't just throw away the season by going to Collins. There's 0 future with Todd Collins at QB. He might play for 3 more years (if you're lucky) and he's not good enough to warrant that kind of commitment.

The Skins would have to go to Andre Woodson or claim Chase Daniel off of waivers.

[URL="http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/10/new_orleans_saints_waive_quart.html"]Saints waive Daniel[/URL]

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[quote=jdlea;607634]If the Skins were going to switch QB's it'd have to be to a young guy. You can't just throw away the season by going to Collins. There's 0 future with Todd Collins at QB. He might play for 3 more years (if you're lucky) and he's not good enough to warrant that kind of commitment.

The Skins would have to go to Andre Woodson or claim Chase Daniel off of waivers.

[URL="http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/10/new_orleans_saints_waive_quart.html"]Saints waive Daniel[/URL][/quote]

I say this with complete impartiality...we should sign Daniel right away

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Sweet article SBXVII, but that still doesnt prove if it is taking our receivers for ever to get open, or because campbells release is slow/reads are slow.

Re: Zorn nowhere near considering a QB change
 

[quote=jdlea;607634]If the Skins were going to switch QB's it'd have to be to a young guy. You can't just throw away the season by going to Collins. There's 0 future with Todd Collins at QB. He might play for 3 more years (if you're lucky) and he's not good enough to warrant that kind of commitment.

The Skins would have to go to Andre Woodson or claim Chase Daniel off of waivers.

[URL="http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2009/10/new_orleans_saints_waive_quart.html"]Saints waive Daniel[/URL][/quote]

Wait, wasn't Daniel supposed to become a Pro Bowler with the Saints? LOL. Just kidding.