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and wouldn't that drive up his asking price? i hope he signs there, because i don't want him here

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I may have been too quick to dismiss Shanahan to the Bills. Apparently the interest is more legit than I thought. From Shanahan's end that is. I still think he won't go there but I'm no longer as certain.

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what are you hearing smoot? why on earth would anyone want to coach in buffalo? you've got a meddlesome owner who is (despite his protests to the contrary) cheap and a small market team with less talent than almost any other team in the NFL. why on earth would shanahan be legitimately interested in Buffalo when much better positions should be available?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;627607]what are you hearing smoot? why on earth would anyone want to coach in buffalo? you've got a meddlesome owner who is (despite his protests to the contrary) cheap and a small market team with less talent than almost any other team in the NFL. why on earth would shanahan be legitimately interested in Buffalo when much better positions should be available?[/quote]

Well NFL.com's Vic Carucci says they are meeting next week. Aside from that, Shanahan is reportedly intrigued with the financial state of the team (who knows how much that matters in a possible uncapped year though), and supposedly is getting assurances that money is not an object and he will get complete control. Maybe Wilson is changing or realizes that is his probably his last chance?

Still, what does Buffalo offer that Dallas and Washington don't? Probably nothing. There is one thing though (and it would be a big gamble on Shanahan's part) that could make Buffalo much more appealing for Shanahan. And it's probably kind of morbid also. But Wilson is 91 years old and he has said his family will not inherit the team. So imagine the Bills moving to Los Angeles (with or without Wilson) and Shanahan as head honcho/part owner.

Anyhow, I still would be surprised if Shanny goes to the Bills. But crazier things have happened I suppose.

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[quote=SmootSmack;627611]Well NFL.com's Vic Carucci says they are meeting next week. Aside from that, Shanahan is reportedly intrigued with the financial state of the team (who knows how much that matters in a possible uncapped year though), and supposedly is getting assurances that money is not an object and he will get complete control. Maybe Wilson is changing or realizes that is his probably his last chance?

Still, what does Buffalo offer that Dallas and Washington don't? Probably nothing. There is one thing though (and it would be a big gamble on Shanahan's part) that could make Buffalo much more appealing for Shanahan. And it's probably kind of morbid also. But Wilson is 91 years old and he has said his family will not inherit the team. So imagine the Bills moving to Los Angeles (with or without Wilson) and Shanahan as head honcho/part owner.

Anyhow, I still would be surprised if Shanny goes to the Bills. But crazier things have happened I suppose.[/quote]

I think there's also the personal challenge aspect of it for a coach. If what you say is right about the money, Shanny may see this a la Tuna, the chance to rebuild a team & put it on course to win. Kinda like coaches that take jobs to build small college programs into big winning programs.

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Hmmm, ownership could be a HUGE factor and one that I did not consider.

On a side-note, do you really want Billick and Bradford? If so, please explain in a way that will convince me you haven't lost your mind.

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[quote=SmootSmack;627611]Well NFL.com's Vic Carucci says they are meeting next week. Aside from that, Shanahan is reportedly intrigued with the financial state of the team (who knows how much that matters in a possible uncapped year though), and supposedly is getting assurances that money is not an object and he will get complete control. Maybe Wilson is changing or realizes that is his probably his last chance?

Still, what does Buffalo offer that Dallas and Washington don't? Probably nothing. There is one thing though (and it would be a big gamble on Shanahan's part) that could make Buffalo much more appealing for Shanahan. And it's probably kind of morbid also. [B]But Wilson is 91 years old and he has said his family will not inherit the team. So imagine the Bills moving to Los Angeles (with or without Wilson) and Shanahan as head honcho/part owner.[/B]

Anyhow, I still would be surprised if Shanny goes to the Bills. But crazier things have happened I suppose.[/quote]

Do you honestly see that happening?? I mean I know the league wants a team in LA but that would be a real hard thing to see.....no team in Buffalo. Great fans there...

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[quote=skinsfan69;627635]Do you honestly see that happening?? I mean I know the league wants a team in LA but that would be a real hard thing to see.....no team in Buffalo. Great fans there...[/quote]

Personally, I think the Bills will end up moving to Toronto or, at minimum, split home games there. The Jags make the most sense to move to LA, in my opinion atleast.

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Cleveland has great fans and they still lost the Browns, albeit temporarily. That said the Bills are not as likely as say the Jags to move. As for Billick and Bradford it's moreso something that I think could happen. I'm not advocating it, but it won't neccesarily upset me either. Wouldn't be my first choice though

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;627607]what are you hearing smoot? why on earth would anyone want to coach in buffalo? you've got a[B] meddlesome owner who is (despite his protests to the contrary) cheap and a small market team with less talent than almost any other team in the NFL[/B]. why on earth would shanahan be legitimately interested in Buffalo when much better positions should be available?[/quote]

This from the NFL.com:

[quote]
[B][URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/category/news/"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#b6061e]News[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL]
[URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/19/shanahan-likely-to-meet-with-bills-officials-next-week/"]Shanahan likely to meet with Bills officials next week[/URL] [/B]

Posted: November 19th, 2009 | Vic Carucci | Tags: [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/bill-cowher/"][COLOR=#364c88]Bill Cowher[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/buffalo-bills/"][COLOR=#364c88]Buffalo Bills[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/mike-shanahan/"][COLOR=#364c88]Mike Shanahan[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/ralph-wilson/"][COLOR=#364c88]Ralph Wilson[/COLOR][/URL]
[B]Mike Shanahan[/B] has emerged as the Bills’ “No. 1 candidate” to become their full-time coach after the season, according to a source close to the team.
The source said a meeting between Shanahan, Bills owner [B]Ralph Wilson[/B] and Bills chief operating officer/general manager [B]Russ Brandon[/B], who is overseeing the hiring process, likely will take place next week.
Former Steelers coach [B]Bill Cowher[/B] also is high on the Bills’ list of candidates, but at the moment, they are focused on Shanahan, who guided the Broncos to back-to-back Super Bowl championships in the late 1990s but was fired after last season.
There’s also strong speculation that the Redskins are pursuing Shanahan to replace [B]Jim Zorn[/B] as their coach after the season. However, according to the source close to the Bills, Shanahan is intrigued by the “low-maintenance” situation he would have in Buffalo as opposed to Washington.
[B][I]The Bills, the source said, are willing to offer whatever salary is necessary to land a high-end candidate such as Shanahan and would give him total control of the football operation, something Wilson has generally been opposed to doing in the past.[/I][/B] Adding to the job’s attractiveness, according to the source, is the fact the team is in solid financial shape and not burdened by any dead salary-cap money.
“This is his (Wilson’s) last coach and (he) is going to do everything it takes to get it right,” the source said of the 91-year-old owner.
The Bills fired [B]Dick Jauron[/B] on Tuesday and made defensive coordinator [B]Perry Fewell [/B]their interim head coach.
– [B]Vic Carucci[/B][/quote]

Total control and no meddling. Hmmm. Plus a T.O. WR.

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[quote=Mattyk72;627505]I just don't see Marty coming back here. He and Danny may have kissed and made up but is Marty [B]dumb enough to come back and work with him again,[/B] knowing what he knows from the first time around? Personally I really doubt it.[/quote]

Just remember Marty was smart enough to get a deal that gave him control & paid him to be fired. He probably planned his retirement w/no worries after that.

I know what you're saying though, he's a proud man that doesn't seem like he would want to be in that situation again. But at the same time, it's years later & the first time he worked for snyder he got what he wanted, yet the danny pulled the plug. That might be added leverage for Marty this time around, if DS actually wanted him. I agree it's not likely, but I don't think it's too crazy. Especially if we continue to sink.

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[quote=SmootSmack;627650]Cleveland has great fans and they still lost the Browns, albeit temporarily. That said the Bills are not as likely as say the Jags to move. As for Billick and Bradford it's moreso something that I think could happen. I'm not advocating it, but it won't neccesarily upset me either. Wouldn't be my first choice though[/quote]

what would be your first choice (keeping it realistic, of course)?

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[quote=SBXVII;627653]This from the NFL.com:



Total control and no meddling. Hmmm. Plus a T.O. WR.[/quote]

T.O. isnt under contract next year, so i doubt he'll factor into the equation at all. However, i am curious what was meant in the article by the "low-maintenance" situation in buffalo vs. washington. I can only think of it meaning a meddlesome owner. However, if Snyder and Wilson are both willing to back off and give Shanahan total control, I don't see what the difference would be.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;627658]what would be your first choice (keeping it realistic, of course)?[/quote]

Well my absolute first choice would be that we simply see success with Zorn and Campbell. That'd be the best scenario. You'd avoid having to adjust to a new head coach and you wouldn't have to use a pick or make a trade for a QB. So that would be the best scenario.

If Zorn and Campbell were gone, and I'd assume Cerrato as well, then I'd like to bring in someone like Floyd Reese to oversee everything, Jimmy Raye III as the GM, and then someone like Shanahan (Kyle, not Mike) as the head coach (or heck maybe even Gary Kubiak) to be our next head coach for years to come.

But I understand the need for a big name

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[quote=SmootSmack;627768]If Zorn and Campbell were gone, and I'd assume Cerrato as well, then I'd like to bring in someone like Floyd Reese to oversee everything, Jimmy Raye III as the GM, and then someone like [B]Shanahan (Kyle[/B], not Mike) as the head coach (or heck maybe even Gary Kubiak) to be our next head coach for years to come.

But I understand the need for a big name[/quote]

isn't he still in pop warner?

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[quote=SmootSmack;627768]But I understand the need for a big name[/quote]

i don't, that seems to big one of our biggest fo pas over the past few years, we just need a good gm/president to know where to look for a good up and comer all the big names out there started some where

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[quote=mlmdub130;627772]i don't, that seems to big one of our biggest [B]fo pas[/B] over the past few years, we just need a good gm/president to know where to look for a good up and comer all the big names out there started some where[/quote]

faux pas

spell check ended ;)

I agree with your point

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;627773]faux pas

spell check ended ;)

I agree with your point[/quote]

yeah i knewit was wrong when i wrote it, i need to download the spell check thing, my spelling is dreadful, not to mention i have had a few glasses of wine tonight

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[quote=mlmdub130;627771]isn't he still in pop warner?[/quote]

Haha

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[quote=mlmdub130;627772]i don't, that seems to big one of our biggest fo pas over the past few years, we just need a good gm/president to know where to look for a good up and comer all the big names out there started some where[/quote]

Yeah but it's not so simple. We're talking about big business here. We're talking about battling with other major sports teams in the DC market for sponsorship dollars and corporate suite money. I mean it's just one of those things that's inevitably considered.

Still...Kyle Shanahan!!! or if you really wanna go crazy then Turner Gill

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Now that the Vikings have officially given Childress and extension their VP Rick Spielman may be someone to keep an eye on. It's been rumored that they don't really get along and one was going to go at the end of this year

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This may be old news (it's from Nov. 3rd) but I hadn't heard of it until just yesterday. Apparently Mike Holmgren had a bit of a rip on Dan Snyder on his treatment of Jim Zorn ...

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Mike-Holmgren-not-pleased-with-Washington-Redski?urn=nfl,199852]Mike Holmgren not pleased with Washington Redskins - Sports Rumors - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Guess we can scratch Holmgren off the list.

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[quote=Beemnseven;628113]This may be old news (it's from Nov. 3rd) but I hadn't heard of it until just yesterday. Apparently Mike Holmgren had a bit of a rip on Dan Snyder on his treatment of Jim Zorn ...

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Mike-Holmgren-not-pleased-with-Washington-Redski?urn=nfl,199852]Mike Holmgren not pleased with Washington Redskins - Sports Rumors - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Guess we can scratch Holmgren off the list.[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/33147-holmgren-redskinss-treatment-of-zorn-wrong-3.html[/url]

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didn't the bills owner say something to the effect that he wasn't interested in Shanahan?

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[quote=rbanerjee23;628149]didn't the bills owner say something to the effect that he wasn't interested in Shanahan?[/quote]

not sure, but i'm not interested in him either

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So the Bills and Shanahan met for seven hours Monday night into Tuesday morning.

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4688903]Buffalo Bills official meets with Mike Shanahan in Denver - ESPN[/url]

As I mentioned in another thread, it's interesting to me that Shanahan is meeting with them but Cowher and Holmgren turned them down. Is something already in place? I still don't see Shanahan in Buffalo, but never say never I suppose.

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leverage, my boy. leverage. but you never know. if they give him total control, his ego might be thinking " when i turn this mess around...."

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;627607]what are you hearing smoot? why on earth would anyone want to coach in buffalo? you've got a meddlesome owner who is (despite his protests to the contrary) cheap and a small market team with less talent than almost any other team in the NFL. why on earth would shanahan be legitimately interested in Buffalo when much better positions should be available?[/quote]
Maybe he really likes the cold.

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[quote=SmootSmack;627650]Cleveland has great fans and they still lost the Browns, albeit temporarily. That said the Bills are not as likely as say the Jags to move. As for Billick and Bradford it's moreso something that I think could happen. I'm not advocating it, but it won't neccesarily upset me either. Wouldn't be my first choice though[/quote]
If the Jags move in the next 3 years or so.. would that be the quickest move from entering to the modern NFL to changing cities? Anybody have a clue what the shortest stay was?

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[quote=dmek25;630517]leverage, my boy. leverage. but you never know. if they give him total control, his ego might be thinking " when i turn this mess around...."[/quote]

Yeah. I'm actually a little more curious as to why he said yes while Cowher and Holmgren both said no.

I guess people have been talking Holmgren going back to Seattle. I hadn't ever thought of that but it sounds like it could make sense.

Cowher is starting to emerge as a possible candidate in Houston.

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[quote=tryfuhl;630598]If the Jags move in the next 3 years or so.. would that be the quickest move from entering to the modern NFL to changing cities? Anybody have a clue what the shortest stay was?[/quote]

Well the Redskins were the Boston Braves for five years before moving to DC