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[quote=12thMan;627981]I've also noticed that we're having less holding and offsides penalties along the offensive line. I wouldn't attribute that directly to Sherm Lewis, but it is an indication that guys are a little more focused before the snap.

Good play calling and execution breeds focus and confidence.[/quote]

Well, we had at least 4 or 5 false starts yesterday. In the past three games, we played maybe our worst first half of the year against Atlanta (yes, we had a solid second half), played very well against Denver, and then scored 6 stinking points against Dallas.

Sure, we're racking up more yards and first downs, and that's good, but like some other people mentioned, let's what until we have larger sample size before we deem this a solid hire.

Maybe we're getting more yards, but giving Sherm Lewis praise one day after we managed just two field goals seems a bit silly.

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Going up and down the field between the 20-yard lines without scoring touchdowns gains us nothing. We scored six lousy points and we lost - again. Therefore, as far as contributing to the team winning, our offense sucks as much with the Shermans calling the plays as it did with Zorn calling the plays.

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[quote=Paintrain;628239]It's actually been 3 games.. Before Lewis, 12.4 PPG, after Lewis 20.3 PPG. Nobody is proposing a parade or a monument in his honor but are you one of those fans so jaded or clueless that you cannot recognize obvious progress and improvement?[/quote]

Final Score: Jaded 7 Clueless 6.
BINGO!

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[quote=GMScud;629877]Well, we had at least 4 or 5 false starts yesterday. In the past three games, we played maybe our worst first half of the year against Atlanta (yes, we had a solid second half), played very well against Denver, and then scored 6 stinking points against Dallas.

Sure, we're racking up more yards and first downs, and that's good, but like some other people mentioned, let's what until we have larger sample size before we deem this a solid hire.

[B]Maybe we're getting more yards, but giving Sherm Lewis praise one day after we managed just two field goals seems a bit silly[/B].[/quote]
the voice of reason. how dare you :)

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Anybody who can't see the huge improvement in playcalling since Lewis took over needs to be watching the games in the company of an adult.


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Although I noticed decent improvement in the playcalling with Lewis...he did not attack the Cowboys like he knew their weaknesses.
They should have been attacking the deep middle due to the safety injury.
This was not done.
The problem with Dallas and our line is this.
They attack and crowd the line aggresively....we should have anticipated that or at least adjusted, can you slow this down with screens? kind of...but screens are meant to neutralize occasional blitzes...not an every down 8 in the box situation.
Draws would have worked out fine...the problem...we had Rock...who is certainly not a draw back...this is where the alridge fans come in. We are completely dependant on a single running back to be able to run the draw...and he was out.

I was a bit disappointed in the play calling...in fact, I believe the lack of aggression cost us the game on 2 occasions.....once with about 15 seconds left on the clock at the 20....we did not even try once to throw the ball in the endzone....most teams would try 3 times if they had the downs.....another toward the end of the game around the 30....I think it was 3rd and 5 or something....we ran....again....not even trying to go for the throat...the gutsy call would have been to run a stop and go and throw deep....heck...even a slant would do....but to basically hope you make it and fall back on a maybe field goal is a bit lame. No aggression.

Both of these critical calls scream out play not to lose...they do not say ATTACK when winning....that is a serious problem and explains why our games are always close.

I am very curious if those critical calls are ones where Zorn decides whether we play it safe or attack

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[quote=Defensewins;629962]Final Score: Jaded 7 Clueless 6.
BINGO![/quote]

Even with that stinker, we're still averaging 3 more PPG than under Zorn (16 ppg vs 13 ppg)..

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[quote=skinsnut;630556]Although I noticed decent improvement in the playcalling with Lewis...he did not attack the Cowboys like he knew their weaknesses.
They should have been attacking the deep middle due to the safety injury.
This was not done.
The problem with Dallas and our line is this.
They attack and crowd the line aggresively....we should have anticipated that or at least adjusted, can you slow this down with screens? kind of...but screens are meant to neutralize occasional blitzes...not an every down 8 in the box situation.
Draws would have worked out fine...the problem...we had Rock...who is certainly not a draw back...this is where the alridge fans come in. We are completely dependant on a single running back to be able to run the draw...and he was out.

I was a bit disappointed in the play calling...in fact, I believe the lack of aggression cost us the game on 2 occasions.....[B]once with about 15 seconds left on the clock at the 20..[/B]..we did not even try once to throw the ball in the endzone....most teams would try 3 times if they had the downs.....another toward the end of the game around the 30....I think it was 3rd and 5 or something....we ran....again....not even trying to go for the throat...the gutsy call would have been to run a stop and go and throw deep....heck...even a slant would do....but to basically hope you make it and fall back on a maybe field goal is a bit lame. No aggression.

Both of these critical calls scream out play not to lose...they do not say ATTACK when winning....that is a serious problem and explains why our games are always close.

[B]I am very curious if those critical calls are ones where Zorn decides whether we play it safe or attack[/B][/quote]

The end of the half call was absolutely on Zorn, and he defended it to the hilt, i posted his quote somewhere. I agree the 3rd and 5 draw was bad, and I think that was Lewis. I think I have even more trouble with trying the field goal after the draw got nothing then the draw itself. Not a big fan of either call, but a 50 yarder, which if missed gives dallas excellent field position, or a punt where we hopefully could pin them back. I would rather have punted, and then relied on the D, and I think the D then might have held them. Put dallas on the 5 and let the D do its job, I think it would have worked better.

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That 3rd and 5 that everybody is on about was actually a 3rd and 2. A very different situation and the draw play call was fine. It just didn't work.

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I hated that draw on 3rd and 2. I know that dallas had put 8 in coverage a lot but when they did blitz they were coming right up the middle, right where that play was called. JC was playin lights out on 3rd downs as well. We'd run the ball the 2 plays before I believe.

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nothing much new here we didn't already know, just thought it was kind of odd for cooley to kinda talk crap about the system, and to address issues he doesn't really have first hand knowledge of, and to make our situation even more of a "laughing stock"

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/01/chris-cooley-lewis-never-talks-to-campbell/]Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=mlmdub130;632939]nothing much new here we didn't already know, just thought it was kind of odd for cooley to kinda talk crap about the system, and to address issues he doesn't really have first hand knowledge of, and to make our situation even more of a "laughing stock"

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/01/chris-cooley-lewis-never-talks-to-campbell/"]Chris Cooley: Lewis never talks to Campbell | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]
He did admit to the offense looking better too though.

"We have a really weird deal going on right now with the kind of rotation of who calls the plays, to where it goes, to who gets it and how it gets to Jason," said Cooley, who was placed on the season-ending injured-reserve list Monday. "It's almost unheard of. And the funny thing is the last couple weeks the offense has looked better than it has."

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/cooley-playcalling-is-a-carous.html]Redskins Insider - Cooley: Playcalling is 'a carousel of calls'[/url]

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I think the more Sherms we have, the better.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW9t37sEbnY]YouTube - RedskinsWeek11.dv[/url]

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One interesting theory ive seen is that the improved offense is more a result of Portis being out than anything else. He's "snyders pet," a diva, and despite what some players may say publicly, is obviously not well-liked by many of his team mates. Betts and Cartwright are hardworking and loved by their team mates. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that the line (consciously or not) blocks better for these guys than portis. That point aside, Portis has obviously lost more than just a step and I think he's played his last snap as a redskin - even if there IS a cap next year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;633243]One interesting theory ive seen is that the improved offense is more a result of Portis being out than anything else. He's "snyders pet," a diva, and despite what some players may say publicly, is obviously not well-liked by many of his team mates. Betts and Cartwright are hardworking and loved by their team mates. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that the line (consciously or not) blocks better for these guys than portis. That point aside, Portis has obviously lost more than just a step and I think he's played his last snap as a redskin - even if there IS a cap next year.[/quote]Portis, in four years under Gibbs, went from one of the most anxious runners in the entire NFL to one of the most patient. But when Zorn came in and changed the blocking schemes, and suddenly, that patience and ability to let his blocking develop before trying to make a cut and run downhill really started to work against him.

Portis runs at the extreme of patience these days, he'll get in behind his blockers, and never make one of those classing zone running cutbacks behind everything like he used to in his younger days, as he wastes most of his carries never getting downhill. When he does turn the corner, he's usually right on the sideline where the first guy over can just push him out kind of effortlessly.

It's not really an effort thing on the OL, as much is it is that Portis never makes the defense pay for overpursuit to the football with that big cutback. So defenses that do a good job swarming to the point of attack are going to shut him down. And on film, that looks a lot like a line that isn't opening up any seams in the defense. But really, it's just the defense sending one more guy that can be blocked, and us having a back that cant really do anything about that at this point in his career.

The Chargers are having the exact same issue with Tomlinson at this point.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;633243][B]One interesting theory ive seen is that the improved offense is more a result of Portis being out than anything else[/B]. He's "snyders pet," a diva, and despite what some players may say publicly, is obviously not well-liked by many of his team mates. Betts and Cartwright are hardworking and loved by their team mates. It would not surprise me in the least to learn that the line (consciously or not) blocks better for these guys than portis. That point aside, Portis has obviously lost more than just a step and I think he's played his last snap as a redskin - even if there IS a cap next year.[/quote]

I've heard B-Mitch say that this team started playing together the second half of the Atlanta game and no one disagreed with him. It was obvious what he was talking about.

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[url=http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2009/12/03/redskins-offense-better-with-lewis/]Kelly and Thomas talk about Lewis' impact[/url]

Am I reading too much into this line from Kelly?

Although it was tough for him to accept, do you think it’s helped Coach Zorn to have Lewis here?

“It probably has,” Kelly said. “It probably took a little off of his plate, so now he’s focused more on Jason’s game, and Jason’s game has also improved. I guess it has. I really don’t want to be the one to bad mouth anyone.”

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[quote=SmootSmack;633640][url=http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2009/12/03/redskins-offense-better-with-lewis/]Kelly and Thomas talk about Lewis' impact[/url]

Am I reading too much into this line from Kelly?

Although it was tough for him to accept, do you think it’s helped Coach Zorn to have Lewis here?

“It probably has,” Kelly said. “It probably took a little off of his plate, so now he’s focused more on Jason’s game, and [B]Jason’s game has also improved. I guess it has. I really don’t want to be the one to bad mouth anyone[/B].”[/quote]

all i have to say is wow, just wow, sounds like a low blow from our second year not all that effectve wideout

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[quote=53Fan;633271]I've heard B-Mitch say that this team started playing together the second half of the Atlanta game and no one disagreed with him. It was obvious what he was talking about.[/quote]

Mike Sellers all but indicated that in an interview. I think the offense is coming together now; whereas before it couldnt - Portis is too much of a diva and a divisive force on the team. For example, he tried to get Sellers pulled from a game for missing an assignment. I read that Sellers is the "Alpha Male" on the team - the one guy you can't mess with and get away with. That, after Portis' lack of practicing and buddy-buddy relationship with the owner for the past several years, could very well have been the proverbial "last straw."

I get that Portis himself has lost a step or two, but I think this offense has more "energy" and is more productive when Portis isnt there.

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[quote=mlmdub130;633643]all i have to say is wow, just wow, sounds like a low blow from our second year not all that effectve wideout[/quote]

I agree. A very low-blow indeed. Its obvious that his play has improved, but there was no need to add that last jab about not wanting to bad-mouth anyone. I dont expect Kelly to get many balls thrown his way Sunday...

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But I couldn't tell if maybe that was a shot at Zorn. Like "yeah now he's working with Campbell more closely and it's made a difference (no it hasn't because Campbell was just fine before)" Or something like that.

I don't know. It sounds unusual coming from Kelly who from all I've heard is very popular among teammates, coaches, office staff, etc.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;633651]Mike Sellers all but indicated that in an interview. I think the offense is coming together now; whereas before it couldnt - Portis is too much of a diva and a divisive force on the team. For example, he tried to get Sellers pulled from a game for missing an assignment. I read that Sellers is the "Alpha Male" on the team - the one guy you can't mess with and get away with. That, after Portis' lack of practicing and buddy-buddy relationship with the owner for the past several years, could very well have been the proverbial "last straw."

I get that Portis himself has lost a step or two, but I think this offense has more "energy" and is more productive when Portis isnt there.[/quote]

I saw the Sellers interview and it was definitely a shot at Portis. I agree with your post 100%.

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Am I missing something what was so bad about what Kelly said?

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[quote=Mattyk72;633673]Am I missing something what was so bad about what Kelly said?[/quote]

I think if he left it at "Jason's game has also improved" that'd be one thing, but it struck me as a bit odd when he continued with "I guess it has. I really don’t want to be the one to bad mouth anyone.”

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Yeah yeah yeah . . . . Whatever. . . . Let's give some real credit where it's due:

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Hard to say where the young WRs are coming from IMO. To me these guys are a bright spot on this team.

...if us fans are lucky enough to get a legitimate FO/coaching staff by next season I think Thomas and Kelly could be a great duo (along w/ Fred) in most offensive systems. Add Cooley to the mix and OMG we just need a new offensive line and backfield talent to reach the stars lol. Seriously I just think any solid NFL coach should be able to really get a lot more out of the this team, after adding the necessary talent at a few key positions.

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[quote=SmootSmack;633683]I think if he left it at "Jason's game has also improved" that'd be one thing, but it struck me as a bit odd when he continued with "I guess it has. I really don’t want to be the one to bad mouth anyone.”[/quote]

I really can't tell what way he was going with that.

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[quote=The Goat;633689]Hard to say where the young WRs are coming from IMO. To me these guys are a bright spot on this team.

...if us fans are lucky enough to get a legitimate FO/coaching staff by next season I think Thomas and Kelly could be a great duo (along w/ Fred) in most offensive systems. Add Cooley to the mix and OMG we just need a new offensive line and backfield talent to reach the stars lol. Seriously I just think any solid NFL coach should be able to really get a lot more out of the this team, after adding the necessary talent at a few key positions.[/quote]

I do agree with you that they have been a bright spot this year. however, if we completely switch offensive systems, it might take these guys a couple of years to catch on. and heaven forbid we hire shanahan and he wants to bring in a new DC (instead of promoting gray) and our defense has to start over from scratch.

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[quote=SmootSmack;633655]But I couldn't tell if maybe that was a shot at Zorn. Like "yeah now he's working with Campbell more closely and it's made a difference (no it hasn't because Campbell was just fine before)" Or something like that.

I don't know. It sounds unusual coming from Kelly who from all I've heard is very popular among teammates, coaches, office staff, etc.[/quote]
He could just be saying he doesn't want to imply that these guys weren't doing well beforehand, that's what I got out of it.

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I think that if we had brought in Shermin Lewis from the start we may still be in the playoff race. And cudos to Vinny for bringing this guy in.

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I was thinking to bump this thread and refresh what our O has done:
Zorn calling plays:
17pts, 9, 14, 16, 17, 6

Sherm calling plays
17, 17, 27, 6, 24, 30, 34

I know there were other factors, but that is a Great trending line. Especially when you factor in the strength of the competition!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;639394]I was thinking to bump this thread and refresh what our O has done:
Zorn calling plays:
17pts, 9, 14, 16, 17, 6

Sherm calling plays
17, 17, 27, 6, 24, 30, 34

I know there were other factors, but that is a Great trending line. Especially when you factor in the strength of the competition![/quote]

That was a good article by Boswell that SFREDSKIN linked to. Zorn admits he's made mistakes and has learned some things. Sherm may have something to do with this.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;639390]I think that if we had brought in Shermin Lewis from the start we may still be in the playoff race. [B]And cudos to Vinny for bringing this guy in[/B].[/quote]

Haven't you been paying attention? Rule #73 of The Warpath...Vinny should never get credit for anything positive.

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I say keep Zorn, we will never find another head coach who can make those interesting facial expressions on the sideline. He is a unique talent!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;634054]He could just be saying he doesn't want to imply that these guys weren't doing well beforehand, that's what I got out of it.[/quote]

If we are parsing words, I do think that is what he meant.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639456]Haven't you been paying attention? Rule #73 of The Warpath...Vinny should never get credit for anything positive.[/quote]
I know, but sometimes I break it down and think about the people he drafted and from that stand point he rarely makes bad picks. I mean reievers take time to develop. the fruits of last years draft are coming to fruition. He gets blamed for alot, but you lose your probowl left tackle and you are in trouble. I love the offense under Shermin Lewis. I am even back on the fense about Campbell.

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Sherm Lewis is the man! I think it's about time for a national columnist to call out the fact that just about everyone was saying it was a complete joke bringing this guy into the fold.

Credit to Wilbon who said from the start "hey wait a minute Sherm Lewis deserves huge respect for what he had already accomplished in his career."

All those clowns called him the "bingo caller" and didn't give him any respect.

What he has done is quite remarkable. We have taken a massive step forward on the offensive side of the ball and we are using lots of younger players. Great job Sherm!

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I thought from the start Lewis wasn't getting the proper respect for his NFL accomplishments