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[quote=53Fan;636023]I've never been a big CP fan and not only do I think we can survive without him, I think we can thrive without him. He's a me player not a team player and teams win championships. I've always thought his diva attitude with not practicing and throwing his team mates and coaches under the bus has been vastly underrated as to how detrimental it is to the team. But...that's just my opinion.[/quote]

You know who also falls into this category? Laron Landry and DeAngelo Hall.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;636031]You know who also falls into this category? Laron Landry and DeAngelo Hall.[/quote]

Landry and Hall aren't being divas, compared to Portis.. They both just have different ways of being "diva"; Landry celebrating every tackle, even if when the player gained big chunk of yardages.. This is becoming terribly annoying, I basically had to look away from tv whenever I see Landry making tackle.. I'm really surprised that nobody tried to get Landry to reduce it.. As for Hall; yes he did throw our front office under the bus but it is time for someone to do that.. We need some players and coaches to throw our front office under the bus, given the circumstances they forced the coaches and players to be in.. Even Haynesworth did same thing..

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I don't know, fellas. I'm with Pain here. Losing to NO in a trap game is no great reason for new optimism with this staff and group of players. I give lots of credit to Zorn and especially Buges for getting these guys to play with some passion. But come on. We're not close. We're grasping at straws, IMO. Psychologically speaking, we've been so beat up this year that we're like a battered spouse saying, Yeah, he's not that bad. It's some kind of PTSD or something.

Step one: get a real GM. Then let him evaluate the roster and make decisions. No doubt some/many players will stay. But I highly doubt a good new GM is going to stick with the old regime's failed coaching staff. Why do that? As for players, let the new GM/staff have their say.

If Vinny is still in charge, what evidence do we have that things will get better? More mediocrity at best, I'm afraid.

I loved the effort and some of the play yesterday, but facts are facts. We are not close.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;635986]Who goes for me by trade, retire, or release. No personal feelings just business:
Todd Collins
Phillip Daniels
Malcolm Kelly
Marcus Mason
Anthony Montgomery
Fred Smoot
Antwaan Randle El
Carlos Rogers
Renaldo Wynn
Ladell Betts
Chris Samuels
Randy Thomas
Jim Zorn

Notable not on list:
Laron Landry- He is a great player out of position. We need a free safety to give us the opportunity to move him to his natural position.
Clinton Portis- I really would like to see how he would be in a real rotation and behind a decent oline, I'm not ready to give up on him yet. His "me-first" attitude and unwillingness to practice I am also willing to let him go though.
Santanna Moss- Has heart and could be a monster if he is shifted around the formations to create mismatches as well as the slot.[/quote]

I would put Moss on the trade list and keep Kelly instead. I'd also keep Betts.

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We need to shop away CP, Landry, and Rogers.
Between the three of them, I think they are the biggest distractions to the team- I want to add Hall to the list but we can't get rid of our entire secondary. Portis's attitude, Landry's showboat attitude, and unfortunately Roger's standoff with the organization and coaches.

To note though, the great and late Sean Taylor's first two seasons were spotted with blown assignments, unsportsmanlike conduct penalties- you name it. It wasn't until seasons 3 and 4 that he became the player we hoped we'd get out of him.

Otherwise, between the three of them we can probably get a few quality mid-round picks. Maybe a 2 and 3?

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[quote=JWsleep;636046]I don't know, fellas. I'm with Pain here. Losing to NO in a trap game is no great reason for new optimism with this staff and group of players. I give lots of credit to Zorn and especially Buges for getting these guys to play with some passion. But come on. We're not close. We're grasping at straws, IMO. Psychologically speaking, we've been so beat up this year that we're like a battered spouse saying, Yeah, he's not that bad. It's some kind of PTSD or something.

Step one: get a real GM. Then let him evaluate the roster and make decisions. No doubt some/many players will stay. But I highly doubt a good new GM is going to stick with the old regime's failed coaching staff. Why do that? As for players, let the new GM/staff have their say.

If Vinny is still in charge, what evidence do we have that things will get better? More mediocrity at best, I'm afraid.

I loved the effort and some of the play yesterday, but facts are facts. We are not close.[/quote]

Have you watched the games since the 2nd half of the Atlanta game? They should have beaten the Cowboys (Suisham missed 2 FG) should have beaten Philly in Philly and yesterday's game because of Suisham again. Remember this team is playing without:

Samuels
Thomas
Portis
Cooley
Rinehart
Betts
Jarmon
Horton

Haynesworth was also out of the Eagles and Cowboys game and could have been a difference maker.

And has still enough talent

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It is clear some of the young players are finally starting to produce, the three high draft picks from last year most notably.
There are some players that when healthy are great, but they can not stay healthy. This is a problem. We should not continue to roll the dice and pray they can stay healthy when it is clear they can not. Best example of this is Randy Thomas, they guy is a great player when healthy, but he can not stay healthy for an entire season. It is time to cut our losses.
We need to get younger especially on the O and D lines.

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Damn, this is so difficult to figure out, much like this whole season. I read all these ideas about what to do and what not to do, and I can find reasons to agree and disagree with all of them! But I think ultamitley I dont want a complete overhaul this offseason. I feel like their are legit reasons to keep this thing going with some obvious tweeks and let it run one more season. This is not the same team that played the first half of the season which had zero signs of potential and rarely resembled a pro football team. This second half of the season hasnt resulted into wins, but their is some serious signs of life and positive momentum going down the stretch and I truly believe the right offseason additions could get this team where it needs to be. But then again, who the hell knows! :confused-

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I think the two major off-season changes that could have the most impact, with the littlest disruption: 1) fire VC. I think he has done better than most give him credit, but he has ignored the OL and is basically a divisive character, not a unifying one. 2) bring in an OC who calls his full plays. Preferably not a completely new system. And Zorn stays due to his presence this year. I think we could have seen this whole team simply go up in smoke, with the injuries and early losses, but Zorn has kept them together. I don't really think he will make it as a HC, but I think what he has done is worth one more year to build on. Just get a unified playcalling structure, (not Sherm Lewis, who I am very happy with, but is a stop gap solution, not the next great thing)

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Somebody called in NFL radio a few minutes ago and asked Marty what he thought, and he said doesn't think we should blow things up. He basically said keep what works and keep building. He thinks Zorn should stay.

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get rid of vinny, rebuild the o line, get a new running back and please get better coaching for landry...campbell is not the problem I have been saying this week after week

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[quote=Mattyk72;635890]A new coach is definitely going to mean significant changes, especially at QB. I'm almost starting to wish we could just keep Zorn and make Sherman Lewis the full-time OC/play-caller, build up the OL, keep JC, and go from there.[/quote]

I almost think this is the way to go too. More change is just going to mean set backs. We'll see.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;636059]Have you watched the games since the 2nd half of the Atlanta game? They should have beaten the Cowboys (Suisham missed 2 FG) should have beaten Philly in Philly and yesterday's game because of Suisham again. Remember this team is playing without:

Samuels
Thomas
Portis
Cooley
Rinehart
Betts
Jarmon
Horton

Haynesworth was also out of the Eagles and Cowboys game and could have been a difference maker.

And has still enough talent[/quote]

Did you stop and think maybe the guys that are playing now are better than the ones not playing?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;636059]Have you watched the games since the 2nd half of the Atlanta game? They should have beaten the Cowboys (Suisham missed 2 FG) should have beaten Philly in Philly and yesterday's game because of Suisham again. Remember this team is playing without:

Samuels
Thomas
Portis
Cooley
Rinehart
Betts
Jarmon
Horton

Haynesworth was also out of the Eagles and Cowboys game and could have been a difference maker.

[B]And has still enough talent[/quote][/B]





We have young talent too. This is not an old team.

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[quote=skinsfan69;636130]Did you stop and think maybe the guys that are playing now are better than the ones not playing?[/quote]

Let's entertain that:

Maybe Fred Davis is better than Cooley? pro bowler

Maybe Jones is better than Samuels? pro bowler

Maybe Davis is better than Thomas and Rhinehart? pro bowler

etc. etc.

If that is the case, then Vinny is the best GM in the league.

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What is so obviously clear to me is that Zorn and Cerrato need to be gone after this year, after that I would be fine with everyone else returning.

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[quote=tryfuhl;635944]I am not certain how you come to this conclusion.[/quote]


The problem is this rookie QB could: 1. Possibly make everything else digress. 2. By the time he gets ready we will have squandered 3 or 4 Haynesworth seasons, Carter, Fletcher, Moss and other players. Just keep tweaking til we get it. IMO.

Maybe the rookie QB turns out to be worse than Campbell? Just because a player is drafted high does not mean they will be any good. No amount of research can guarantee this. There are no Mannings in this years draft.

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I must say, Sherm Lewis has made all the difference in the past four weeks. Little by little, we've seen Fred Davis emerge first, then Devin Thomas in recent weeks, now I imagine Kelly will be worked into the game plan more and more.

I'm simply resigned to make some minor offseason personnel adjustments and keep Zorn and Lewis. JC is starting to look too comfortable to blow things up again.

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[quote=skinsfan69;636130]Did you stop and think maybe the guys that are playing now are better than the ones not playing?[/quote]

Not on the OL they are not.

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[quote=12thMan;636145]I must say, Sherm Lewis has made all the difference in the past four weeks. Little by little, we've seen Fred Davis emerge first, then Devin Thomas in recent weeks, now I imagine Kelly will be worked into the game plan more and more.

I'm simply resigned to make some minor offseason personnel adjustments and keep Zorn and Lewis. JC is starting to look too comfortable to blow things up again.[/quote]

I wonder though what will happen when Portis and more importantly Cooley return. How will Lewis or whoever work Cooley back in and still develop guys like Davis?

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[quote=SmootSmack;636150]I wonder though what will happen when Portis and more importantly Cooley return. How will Lewis or whoever work Cooley back in and still develop guys like Davis?[/quote]

I think the organization will do everything in it's power to get rid of Portis, if not he'll play a more limited role next year. Less carries, more 3rd down packages. But no more marquee status or workload for Portis. Also, I think there's more upside to keeping Cooley at this point. I have to believe that Sherm Lewis wants as many weapons as possible next year. We'll experiment with the double TE set next season and go from there.

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Just to reiterate my point about Portis, if we can keep him in the 12-15 carry range, I think we could rejuvenate his career.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;635827]I'll say it again, we have to keep Campbell and rebuild the OL to make him successful. Say goodbye to Randy Thomas, Samuels (when he retires) Betts, Daniels, Griffin, Randle-El, Smoot, Suisham, Trade Landry for a 1st round pick.[/quote]



NO way on this planet you get a 1st round pick for Landry. Would you settle for a third and a conditional fifth in the next year? If not, you aren't going to move Landry - - and if he gives up 2 TDs in a game as egregiously as he did yesterday against the Saints one more time this season, you won't get an offer as high as that.


Also disagree with ditching Betts. I'd cut Portis in a heartbeat. I would have Betts come to camp to compete for a job.

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[quote=Mattyk72;635890]A new coach is definitely going to mean significant changes, especially at QB. I'm almost starting to wish we could just keep Zorn and make Sherman Lewis the full-time OC/play-caller, build up the OL, keep JC, and go from there.[/quote]


From your lips to Danny Boy's ears, Matty...

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[quote=Mattyk72;635890]A new coach is definitely going to mean significant changes, especially at QB. I'm almost starting to wish we could just keep Zorn and make Sherman Lewis the full-time OC/play-caller, build up the OL, keep JC, and go from there.[/quote]

I agree. Four weeks ago I wanted to ditch JC so badly. One of the things I kept on harping about was he couldn't throw a touch pass. Yesterday he threw several! In addition it seems he's getting rid of the ball faster. I don't think it's a coincidence that Zorn has more time to work with the QB and we're seeing dramatic improvement in JC's play.

Things are starting to gel. Look at the way they've played in the last four weeks against teams that are a combined 36-12! I think they deserved to win 3 of the 4. Now we have to see what they do in the last 4 games. If they play good football I wouldn't like to shake it up too much. I'm also not so bothered the Sherm x 2 situation. If it works, it works. If it keeps the players from lobbying with the coaches this may be a good thing.

In addition, I'm sure that Zorn doesn't mind (so much) having a reduced role in play-calling if the team is winning.

In summary, Zorn's responsibilities seem to be working with and motivating the team, as well as working with JC. This seems to be functioning very well.

In addition, the playcalling seems to be very good now, so that's also a big improvement.

Lastly, now that the receivers from last year are starting to work out, it appears that the draft wasn't so bad after all, except in terms of our offensive line. So we're not so far off from being a good team. But, if we look to next year, we should be able to get some OL help.

As to what else could be improved, I have to think that the DBs can (and must) practice catching the football. I think back to where they dropped 2 patty-cake interceptions. In addition, they must do something about the field goals. Whether it's teaching Suisham what to do when it's an important kick (he seemed to be rushing yesterday when setting up for the winning field goal) or getting someone else I don't care. And Fletch needs to explain the facts of football life to Landry. I mean, yesterday in regulation it was
Washington 30
Landry 14
Referees 7
New Orleans 9

It's absolutely amazing that this group of "dregs" from the beginning of the season outplayed a 12-0 team that was NOT off its game.

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Some continuity would be nice and I'm sure ownership would prefer to succeed with the current group. But if they do decide to stick with Zorn I'd almost rather they give him an extension rather than go through another year next year of lame duck status. Still, I don't see overall what value Zorn brings to the team right now. I think he goes. Lewis could stay but fall back into the actual consulting role.

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[quote=12thMan;636153]I think the organization will do everything in it's power to get rid of Portis, if not he'll play a more limited role next year. Less carries, more 3rd down packages. But no more marquee status or workload for Portis. Also, I think there's more upside to keeping Cooley at this point. I have to believe that Sherm Lewis wants as many weapons as possible next year. We'll experiment with the double TE set next season and go from there.[/quote]



I believe the organization owes Portis something in the range of another $10million in guaranteed/deferred money. If so, I don't think they will do "everything in its power" to dump him...

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I was going to start a separate thread, but it seems to fit neatly within this discussion. Mods, if you feel otherwise give it it's on title and maybe do a poll.


Yesterday the New Orleans Saints were 23 yards and a couple of away feet from losing their first game of the season. For Saints fans, it was a huge sigh of relief knowing they had just escaped their biggest scare of going undefeated. For Redskins fans, well, it was par for the course in what has turned out to be a roller coaster season filled with twists and turns, ups and downs, what ifs and almosts.

The loss to the Saints pretty much settled two matters: The Redskins won’t have a winning record this year and they won’t be going to the playoffs. Further, this team has proven they can thrive offensively without one Clinton Portis churning out three yards per carry. What is still up in the air, however, is the fate of head coach Jim Zorn and, perhaps, by extension Jason Campbell’s future with the franchise. During the first half of the season you could ask just about anyone, myself included, with nominal knowledge of the NFL and they would have told you that Jim Zorn deserved to be fired – and right on the spot. Sentiment on whether or not to fire Zorn is starting to swing in the other direction, in no small part because of Jason Campbell’s new found steadiness and the play calling of Sherm Lewis. Over the past four weeks, I’ve planted my feet firmly in the Jim Zorn stays camp. This thread is not so much me making my case again, although I am, as I am hoping that this like many other fan rants, will make its way back to Dan Snyder.

In other words, this is my banner on the side of the metro bus!

To be fair, Jim Zorn has his short comings. No one’s denying that. Zorn has been erratic in the red zone, poor clock management, and indecisiveness in the waning minutes when the game is close are among the chief reasons many have concluded he was in over his head. But then again, we’ve watched the venerable Bill Belichick blow fourth down calls in consecutive weeks. And if memory serves me correctly, Sean Payton had zero timeouts with the Redskins leading in the fourth quarter about to put the game away. Had the shoe been on the other foot, the fire Jim Zorn chants would have been in full force again today. The difference in perception and giving one coach a pass while calling for the other’s head seems to be that little thing called winning.

As Mike Wise rightly pointed out in his WaPo column, the Redskins have some tough choices to make during the offseason. What to do with the aforementioned Clinton Portis is one of them. And not just whether or not Portis stays or goes, but what should his role be should he stay. It’s clear that you don’t need a marquee running back to win in this league anymore. But the more I watch this group of players compete until the final snap of each game, the more I question the logic of bringing in a new head coach and going for a complete overhaul. For one, regardless of whom they bring in, the make-up of the coaching staff will change dramatically. With that comes a new coaching philosophy and offensive system and time to adjust. You would also have to think that Sherm Lewis, who is arguably central to the offense’s turnaround, would likely be gone as well. From where I sit Jim Zorn, Sherm Lewis, and Jason Campbell destinies seemed to be tied together for at least another year with this organization, if not longer.

So Mr. Snyder while you’ve learned that fans can and will continue to be fickle, this may the time for you to be steady and take your lumps. Ignore the noise and masses and maybe your own natural inclination to win and do something. Bring back Jim Zorn for another year.

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Well I think this is a fine example of why Snyder shouldn't listen to the fans. One week we all want Campbell and Zorn gone right away the next we want them re-signed for life. But that's what fans do. That's what Snyder I'm sure did when all he was was a fan. Snyder needs to do what's best for the team long-term, not make the popular decision of the moment. Is keeping Zorn one more year good for the long-term? Is holding on to Campbell another year good for the long-term? Those aren't decisions that should be left to the emotions of the fans, in my opinion.

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[quote=SmootSmack;636259]Well I think this is a fine example of why Snyder shouldn't listen to the fans. One week we all want Campbell and Zorn gone right away the next we want them re-signed for life. But that's what fans do. That's what Snyder I'm sure did when all he was was a fan. [B]Snyder needs to do what's best for the team long-term, not make the popular decision of the moment.[/B] Is keeping Zorn one more year good for the long-term? Is holding on to Campbell another year good for the long-term? Those aren't decisions that should be left to the emotions of the fans, in my opinion.[/quote]

only problem is he has never done that, he has always gone for the quick fix, hopefully he can learn from his mistakes

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;636136]Let's entertain that:

Maybe Fred Davis is better than Cooley? pro bowler

Maybe Jones is better than Samuels? pro bowler

Maybe Davis is better than Thomas and Rhinehart? pro bowler

etc. etc.

If that is the case, then Vinny is the best GM in the league.[/quote]

Maybe the term "Pro Bowler" is the most useless, overrated term that in no way accurately represents what a player's value really is? Definitely.

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[quote=davy;636018]Vinny Cerrato seems to get a lot of stick on virtually every thread yet at the same time most seem to agree we have a lot of good young players to look to the future with.

I had a quick look through the roster for guys that Cerrato has brought in during his 2 years in charge and have made a significant contribution already or promise to in the near future.

Kevin Barnes
Fred Davis
Quinton Ganther
DeAngelo Hall
Albert Haynesworth
Chris Horton
Jeremy Jarmon
Levi Jones
Malcolm Kelly
Marko Mitchell
Brian Orakpo
Chad Rinehart
Hunter Smith
Devin Thomas
Justin Tryon
Mike Williams

That's not a bad group in my opinion.

Does he get unfair stick?[/quote]

Don't forget Jim Zorn.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;636211]NO way on this planet you get a 1st round pick for Landry. Would you settle for a third and a conditional fifth in the next year? If not, you aren't going to move Landry - - and if he gives up 2 TDs in a game as egregiously as he did yesterday against the Saints one more time this season, you won't get an offer as high as that.


Also disagree with ditching Betts. I'd cut Portis in a heartbeat. I would have Betts come to camp to compete for a job.[/quote]

Betts is 30 or going to be and is coming back from a serious knee injury, what makes you think he will be productive next year? If we can't get another RB in the draft then I would consider bringing him back. As for Landry there is no doubt the guy can play, it's his attitude that pisses me off. I can guarantee it that if he has a few good games that we can get a 1st rounder for him, if not, then don't trade him.

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I really dont see how you hold on to Zorn or Vinny at this point..the collaspe end of last season and 3-9 this season? Vinny has had his 10 years...1. We need to hire a GM 2. Snyder needs to keep from making football decisions...When it comes down to long term, I think this the best thing for the team at this point. Just because we have played better the last 3 games hasnt change my perception of what this team is: 3-9 and long out of the playoff race.

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[quote=Chico23231;636272]I really dont see how you hold on to Zorn or Vinny at this point..the collaspe end of last season and 3-9 this season? Vinny has had his 10 years...1. We need to hire a GM 2. Snyder needs to keep from making football decisions...When it comes down to long term, I think this the best thing for the team at this point. Just because we have played better the last 3 games hasnt change my perception of what this team is: 3-9 and long out of the playoff race.[/quote]

I think you can make a very good case for keeping Zorn. And if you bring in some new coach, are you supposing that coach will take this team and go 10-6 or 11-5 or the playoffs even?

As far as the collapse, you ask five different people and you'll get five different answers.

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Stays: Sherm lewis, Zorn (QB Coach) Cooley (because Davis on the other side looks epic), Campbell (I can't believe i said that but I really wanna see this kid get his chance behind a decent line), Moss, Thomas, Kelly, Ganther,Cartwright, hell maybe we keep AL but if Al really loves the game he needs to work his ass off in the offseason to elevate his game. I would really like to see Hall mature into a great CB, Reed needs to stay too and Landry needs to be in his natural position or at least be better coached in his SS pos.

Must go's: Rodgers, Randle El, Suisham, Portis?, Vinny (I dream of that), Release Collins.

I can't think of many else on that choping block we need to build depth, our offensive line, maybe a few more receivers, and I love our defense but we need to stack it for the price of Al (not knocking him) we could of had 2 good DT's.

Draft: O-line, Allen bradford as a FB, a QB to give Brenan and Campbell some fire under their ass in camp. I don't know about you but I'd like to see Pike or Clausen under center in preseason!

Offtopic though I feel kinda sorry for Clausen that he had to Leave ND like that

EDIT: Maybe I'm too harsh on Vinny...look who he's brought in.

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This final month will have to be considered an audition for everybody. If they continue to improve every week a compelling case could be made for continuity, but let's not get too excited about a couple of close losses against decent to great teams. I mean, it's not like we've been winning, just losing with style.

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Yeah I got more bad news about this weekend....Were 37 point underdogs in Oakland :(

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[quote=SmootSmack;636150]I wonder though what will happen when Portis and more importantly Cooley return. How will Lewis or whoever work Cooley back in and still develop guys like Davis?[/quote]

Won't have to, nothing wrong with having two wide receiver sets. Screw it, lets develop some young receivers and worst comes to worse we can dump moss and randle el and be set in our receiving corps for years to come.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;636224]I believe the organization owes Portis something in the range of another $10million in guaranteed/deferred money. If so, I don't think they will do "everything in its power" to dump him...[/quote]
Even though you said you'd cut him in a heartbeat?