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[quote=SmootSmack;639325]It all just goes to show how difficult these decisions can be. We want Snyder to "Save OUR team" by firing Zorn one week and keeping him the next, cutting Campbell one week, re-signing him the next. Before, during, and after every game most of us have 10 different suggestions for every situation. It's not easy[/quote]

Nonsense sir. I think consensus has been there quite some time...Snyder can only "save" the team by firing one person, that weird little toady Vinny, and then bringing in a professional football man to decide the other issues you mention.

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[quote=FRPLG;639389]I agree Moss ought to be our slot and returner. At this point he and ARE are the same type player but Moss is faster and can do some stuff on returns.

My biggest concern right now is Landry. He simply can't cover. At all. He got abused by a marginal QB with marginal WRs*. He's a liability on the field. A big time liability. I'd have benched him today after the first half. He was that bad.[/quote]Actually, a RB and a TE today.

Blache eventually adjusted, about two big plays after any other coordinator in the league would have, but also two big plays before I was expecting him to realize that Landry was in a mismatch. So that's an improvement of 50% by my math.

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[quote=GTripp0012;639393]Actually, a RB and a TE today.

Blache eventually adjusted, about two big plays after any other coordinator in the league would have, but also two big plays before I was expecting him to realize that Landry was in a mismatch. So that's an improvement of 50% by my math.[/quote]True, I should have amended my post to say marginal pass catchers. I continue to wonder why a guy like Rogers gets benched and Landry stays in. Landry is at least as bad at his position as Rogers is. I'd say he is worse. I mean landry gets beat badly. He doesn't get beat stupidly trying to make a big play. He gets beat like a guy of the street would get beat. Over and over.

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[quote=FRPLG;639395]True, I should have amended my post to say marginal pass catchers. I continue to wonder why a guy like Rogers gets benched and Landry stays in. Landry is at least as bad at his position as Rogers is. I'd say he is worse. I mean landry gets beat badly. He doesn't get beat stupidly trying to make a big play. He gets beat like a guy of the street would get beat. Over and over.[/quote]Blache decided last year that Rogers wasn't capable of playing corner in his system. Why? Baffles the best of us. We're really not even sure what his system is, frankly. Last year, we were blitz-happy, more than any other team in the league, but we weren't very good at it. This year, we blitz a lot less, and are a little bit better at it than we were last year.

Blache is an odd dude. I would say that his decision making doesn't make me comfortable, but that would be disingenuous. He makes decisions that seem to be more based about making himself comfortable than actually winning the ball game. And as a result, I have no idea whether he's succeeding or failing.

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JC is the man...okay before you crucify me, he is not the man, but he is not half bad

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[quote=The Goat;639391]Nonsense sir. I think consensus has been there quite some time...Snyder can only "save" the team by firing one person, that weird little toady Vinny, and then bringing in a professional football man to decide the other issues you mention.[/quote]Vinny does deserve credit for ignoring O-line depth last offseason. Orakpo was definitely the right pick in the 1st round, but how do you go the rest of the draft without selecting an O-lineman despite the dire need? Worse still, when Jason is proving his meddle under fire, Vinny will go out and draft a QB with our 1st round pick before addressing O-line, mark my words.

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you cant get a good game free of bullcrap calls from the refs anymore

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[quote=53Fan;639369]Agreed. I have lost all confidence in Moss as a #1 receiver. Let him return punts and come in off the bench at wideout.[/quote]

When did you have confidence in him being a 1? I really never did.

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[quote=GTripp0012;639398]Blache decided last year that Rogers wasn't capable of playing corner in his system. Why? Baffles the best of us. We're really not even sure what his system is, frankly. Last year, we were blitz-happy, more than any other team in the league, but we weren't very good at it. This year, we blitz a lot less, and are a little bit better at it than we were last year.

Blache is an odd dude. I would say that his decision making doesn't make me comfortable, but that would be disingenuous. He makes decisions that seem to be more based about making himself comfortable than actually winning the ball game. And as a result, I have no idea whether he's succeeding or failing.[/quote]

Rogers got benched last year cause he deserved it. And don't you think Rogers position coach has a say in his playing time? Or do you think it's just Blache?

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[quote=SmootSmack;639278]Well I did say coaching staff...not necessarily head coach :)

Seriously though, I go back and forth on it. Zorn seems like a good guy and I'd love for him to succeed here but I don't know what value he brings. I mean is it really undeniable that it's Zorn that has this team playing its heart out? Because where was that heart at the end of last year against teams like Cincy and San Fran? Where was it at the beginning of this year against the Lions and Chiefs of the league?[/quote]

I hope the staff comes back next year. Tearing it apart and starting over is not what this team needs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;639416]I hope the staff comes back next year. Tearing it apart and starting over is not what this team needs.[/quote]

Wouldn't it be the ultimate form of justice if Zorn is allowed to come back and Vinny gets fired? Ironically Vinny's decision to hire Sherm Lewis is the reason the offense has turned around but in all honesty the guy has no idea how to build a football team, only how to add good players here and there, but as far as an overall team I believe he virtually has no idea.

If we do get a new head coach next year I think that we can't settle for anyone less then Holmgren. Shannahan's ok, but if you want to do that 'keep the coaches and hire a new head coach' deal then you need to hire a guy thats familiar with what the previous regime set up, as well as our best offensive weapon (Sherm Lewis).

Another possibility would be to swallow your pride, fire Vinny, and bring in GW. Gibbs would probably have to mediate but at the same time you could keep the current offense in tact, along with the key coaches that would like to come back, like Buges, Gray, and even Blache. My one concern would be GW's reputation as a conservative head coach but after seeing what happened in New Orleans I can imagine that a change in philosophy could be in order.

Earlier I would have been all for Gruden coming in but given the level of complexity in his offense (even though it's a variation on the WCO) I'd have a hard time getting on board. Not saying that I wouldn't but it isn't the type of thing that I'd be as happy about as I was say a month or two ago.

Either way the one constant in all these scenarios is getting rid of Vinny.

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[quote=skinsfan69;639412][B]Rogers got benched last year cause he deserved it.[/B] And don't you think Rogers position coach has a say in his playing time? Or do you think it's just Blache?[/quote]You're going to have to defend such empty rhetoric.

I do think Jerry Gray gets a say in what happens to Rogers, but again, "a say" is hardly a final decision. If Jerry Gray was calling the plays, a lot of the bizarre calls probably wouldn't be made.

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I think Landry would make a great wide receiver. After all, he seems to always be wide open when the ball comes his way.

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Whoever played LT allowed one sack atleast by simply turning in and helping to block down inside....completely left his man on the outside free to sack the QB. We definitly need some young, healthy, strong OL. Perhaps a better blocking scheme would work also. Cue Alex Gibbs.

JC didn't do bad but didn't do great either. He's proven he can take a hit. My issues still remain; he fails to move his protection to the blitzing side (in other words reading defenses), He seems to throw behind his receivers as if he can't anticipate and throw the ball where they "will" be vs. where they have been (an example would be Davis's 20yrd catch he had to slow down and turn completely around to catch the ball, and Moss's slant which he dropped the ball.), My last issue I still think he is throwing too hard on the 5-10 yrd routes and an expample would be the pass to ARE that was not only over thrown but too hard and slipped through his hands.

ARE, wow, no wonder the Steelers didn't put up so much money for you. At this point can we just let Thomas do KR/PR and Perhaps let Kelly take up the slot or move Moss to that positions and make Thomas and Kelly our two main WR's for the rest of the season just to give them some work. Right now I'm thinking of even putting Mitchell ahead of ARE.

Danny Smith, whoever is HC next year needs to let this man go. Our ST have not been that great "ever" since he's been here. Not sure if it's his scheme or the lack of players carrying it out but either way it has not worked. We need a bona fide ST coach. Someone who knows what the hell they are doing or atleast knows how to do it better then Smith.

Landry, hello is there anyother way you can get burned? I would say maybe you should be covering a TE but most likely you would whiff on that also. However you finally looked better as the SS.

Rogers, I'm not sure what to say. Someone said he screwed up also. I guess I forgot or missed that it was him. I hate to say it but I hope he decides to go elsewhere for more money next year or I pray someone decides to fork over the money for his lame ass.

Whats bad points with out the good.....

Ganther, dude I'm glad we picked you up. It's fun to finally see a RB who is difficult to bring down like what Dallas and the Giants have. Definitly need to shed the dead wood this off season if there's no CAP, bye Portis, Betts, and Rock.

Davis, man just keep impressing all the time. Don't fret the penalty man any other time and that's not a penalty. Refs were simply trying to keep Oak in the game as best they could.

Thomas, is getting better all the time.

Sherm Lewis, Another good game plan executed well.

Orakpo, when turned lose he's a monster. Definitly should be Rookie of the year.

Alexander, brother what a way to step up and show your worth. Both on ST and getting a sack.

Carter, Great job too bad your not young like Orakpo. Not sure how much longer you'll be with us due to age.

Fletcher, Although your doing your job quietly it's amazing to watch.

Great game, second week in a row with 30 points. Now I'm getting truly scared. I want to see Cerrato, Zorn and Co. out the door. People keep giving credit to Cerrato and Snyder will come up with some lame excuse to keep him. If there is any part that needs to be kept for the future it would be Sherm Lewis...not sure if he can fit in with whatever new regime comes in.....assuming it's Shanahan then most likely he brings his son, would love to have Alex Gibbs, and maybe they can bring in Kubiak as Asst. HC. Shanahan's son can be OC. I'm just not sure what we could call Sherm Lewis in order to help out with the game planning. I guess if we fail to pick up Shanahan's son cause someone offers him a HCing job we can keep Lewis.

[B]Edit: [/B]How on earth could I forget ...Gano! Boy you Rock. Keep the kicks coming. :)

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[quote=skinsfan69;639416]I hope the staff comes back next year. Tearing it apart and starting over is not what this team needs.[/quote]

Your killing me. This regime had 8 games last year where it failed to put points on the board and failed to fix the problem. Then 8 games at the beginning of this season we see the same thing. Why would we want to keep status quo? Zorn was in control of the last 2 min. of the games and still did horrible. Our only saving grace has been an aged Bingo caller who kindly decided to come and fix our problem.

Coaching is all about looking at what you have and adjusting your offense for the talent you have in order to get something out of them. Zorn and Co. failed at this for 16 games. Sherm Lewis came in and adjusted the offensive scheme to its players. Genius, pure Genius.

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[quote=SouperMeister;639405]Vinny does deserve credit for ignoring O-line depth last offseason. Orakpo was definitely the right pick in the 1st round, but how do you go the rest of the draft without selecting an O-lineman despite the dire need? Worse still, when Jason is proving his meddle under fire, Vinny will go out and draft a QB with our 1st round pick before addressing O-line, mark my words.[/quote]

Well, you know, best player available. When you, uh, don't do that you get in trouble.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639188]Ganther continues to impress me. He can't really block much right now, but we might be spoiled because we have the best blocking back in the league in Clinton Portis. Still, I love the way Ganther hits the hole and fights for the extra yards. I hope we find a place on the roster for him next year.[/quote]

I remember the first time ganther saw action he had a couple nice blocks in pass pro. Didn't see much today in that department, but I know he can do it

[quote=SmootSmack;639188] And finally, can't say enough about Lorenzo Alexander-making tackles on special teams, blocking on rushing touchdowns, getting a sack.[/quote]

Alexander is a beast. I always get upset when the new Maddens come out and he's only rated somewhere in the 50s...

[quote=SmootSmack;639188]The Raiders defensive line is underrated but still Campbell bailed out his line all day. He got little to no help from them today. I couldn't tell exactly who was the main culprit (I'll have to go back and see), but it looked Rabach.[/quote]

I saw poor play by several members of the line today. On the first sack, Jones went to help block in the middle and let a linebacker come in untouched. Pretty sure that wasn't how the play was drawn up. Heyer allowed a sack too on an edge rush, although campbell did have a long dropback on that play. And yeah, rabach did get abused more than a few times. I guess the only decent play was from Williams and Dock.

[quote=SmootSmack;639188]Nice forced fumble and key interception. Still he was getting targeted and abused by Gradkowski the whole first half.[/quote]

I wonder if landry's ever going to understand... How do you get beat by a running back AND a tight end ONE WEEK after you let new orleans burn you twice? Isn't there supposed to be some sort of knowledge gained from these experiences...? At some point we've got to start blaming blache for this, I mean seriously....


Completely agree with the smackdown on ARE... this is now two muffed punts within how many weeks? Also agree on the refs and their lack of consistency this season, did you see the baltimore-green bay game with the cornucopia of PI calls?

Plus, let's not forget the props for Gano... his first FG attempt in the NFL from 46 and he nailed it.

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[QUOTE]How do you get beat by a running back [/QUOTE]
McFadden is pretty good player in his own right, and is very athletic.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/darren-mcfadden?id=284#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Darren McFadden[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;639438]McFadden is pretty good player in his own right, and is very athletic.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/darren-mcfadden?id=284#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Darren McFadden[/url][/quote]

and laron isn't? i know mcfadden is good, but laron is supposed should be able to cover a running back

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[quote=SBXVII;639428]Your killing me. This regime had 8 games last year where it failed to put points on the board and failed to fix the problem. Then 8 games at the beginning of this season we see the same thing. Why would we want to keep status quo? Zorn was in control of the last 2 min. of the games and still did horrible. Our only saving grace has been an aged Bingo caller who kindly decided to come and fix our problem.

Coaching is all about looking at what you have and adjusting your offense for the talent you have in order to get something out of them. Zorn and Co. failed at this for 16 games. Sherm Lewis came in and adjusted the offensive scheme to its players. Genius, pure Genius.[/quote]

It's still Zorn's offense and he installs the gameplan and he and Smith coordinate and coach during the week. Sherm Lewis gets a copy of the gameplan and calls the plays (at least the passing ones and if it will be a run) on Sunday. JC has said repeatedly that he rarely, if ever, talks with Lewis. IMO, Lewis' has showed that Zorn was simply wearing too many hats and couldn't execute them all. Rather than focusing on the next three plays so one is ready the second the play is over, he's running the sideline, working the officials (though he still has a lot to learn on that) and offering insight. Minor changes to the coaching staff is to be expected, but don't blow it up. Since the second half of the Falcons game this team has fought hard and played well.
If it's not the coaches embracing their roles, then it has to be that CP brings the team down.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639188]...
[B]Referees[/B] Horrible calls on both sides. Against Davis on the celebration, and against Eugene on the interference with ARE.

...[/quote]

Did anyone else who saw Desean Jackson backstep into the endzone and do a Broadway show, wonder quietly "and Fred Davis got a penalty for what?"

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I'm gonna lay off the smackdown for 1 week. After the most complete effort we've seen from this team in quite some time it just wouldn't feel right. Yeah I know, it was the Raiders, but I don't care about that. They did just beat the Bengals & Steelers, right?

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[quote=rypper11;639459]It's still Zorn's offense and he installs the gameplan and he and Smith coordinate and coach during the week. Sherm Lewis gets a copy of the gameplan and calls the plays (at least the passing ones and if it will be a run) on Sunday. JC has said repeatedly that he rarely, if ever, talks with Lewis. IMO, Lewis' has showed that Zorn was simply wearing too many hats and couldn't execute them all. Rather than focusing on the next three plays so one is ready the second the play is over, he's running the sideline, working the officials (though he still has a lot to learn on that) and offering insight. Minor changes to the coaching staff is to be expected, but don't blow it up. Since the second half of the Falcons game this team has fought hard and played well.
If it's not the coaches embracing their roles, then it has to be that CP brings the team down.[/quote]

Ok, maybe you and everyone telling us this is correct and not a lie. I for one don't buy it. 16 games of 17 or less points put on the board. 16 games of mediocracy. 16 games where the coaching staff could not figure out what the hell was going on. Sherm Lewis is brought in and Ta Daa. I'm getting the feeling it's more like Sherm Lewis draws up the game plan, perhaps with Sherm Smith, and it's handed to the HC to get the players on board with what they are going to be trying to do in the next game. I know all the pundits and media have asked and we keep hearing how it's handed up to him and "approved" or "tweeked" by Lewis but I get the feeling it's more the opposite way around. God forbid people heard Lewis designes everything and simply has Zorn coaching the players in how to empliment it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639188]Well this game looked pretty ugly early on. But it ended beautifully. Nice to finally see the Redskins blow-out an opponent. Did you all see that stat today that the Redskins have been in the most games decided by 3 points or less since 2003? 40 games, record of 17-23.

Ganther continues to impress me. He can't really block much right now, but we might be spoiled because we have the best blocking back in the league in Clinton Portis. Still, I love the way Ganther hits the hole and fights for the extra yards. I hope we find a place on the roster for him next year.

I've been critical of Kareem Moore, but he made some very nice textbook tackles today. Nice to see both Moore and Tryon stepping...and I keep forgetting that we also have Chris Horton on the roster as well.

And finally, can't say enough about Lorenzo Alexander-making tackles on special teams, blocking on rushing touchdowns, getting a sack.

Ok, let's get to the smack down:

[B]Offensive Line[/B] The Raiders defensive line is underrated but still Campbell bailed out his line all day. He got little to no help from them today. I couldn't tell exactly who was the main culprit (I'll have to go back and see), but it looked Rabach. Also, as mentioned above the pass blocking frum the running backs was suspect at best. By the way, I thought Campbell was sharp but I still want to see him succeed in more pressure situations.

[B]LaRon Landry[/B] Nice forced fumble and key interception. Still he was getting targeted and abused by Gradkowski the whole first half. Landry benefited the most from Russell entering the game, since Russell has no sense of timing with anyone else in the offense it seems

[B]Danny Smith[/B] I'm tired of putting ARE on my smack down list seemingly every week. So I'm putting it on the coach now. C'mon Danny, enough is enough. Get ARE off the field for punt returns already.

[B]Referees[/B] Horrible calls on both sides. Against Davis on the celebration, and against Eugene on the interference with ARE.

Overall, nice to finally get a win after weeks of coming so close. Cerrato and the front office have given us some pieces to build with....still think there will be and should be changes in the coaching staff and front office though[/quote]

The call against Daivs was stupid but Davis ( and Thomas) just needs to hand the ball to the ref and move on. I'm tired of watching these guys showboat when they score. Act like you've been there.

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[quote=mlmdub130;639454]and laron isn't? i know mcfadden is good, but laron is supposed should be able to cover a running back[/quote]McFadden could definitely be a #2 receiver somewhere, and we all know how Landry fared against Mecheam. :doh:

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[quote=Mattyk72;639472]I'm gonna lay off the smackdown for 1 week. After the most complete effort we've seen from this team in quite some time it just wouldn't feel right. Yeah I know, it was the Raiders, but I don't care about that. They did just beat the Bengals & Steelers, right?[/quote]

Yes, this team is really headed in the right direction. I'm going against the grain and hoping that there isn't much changes that are made next year with the current set of offensive players and coaches, except for maybe an infusion of youth and depth with the draft.

I think they are building momentum and I would hate to see that go all to waste. What happens if they blow everything up again? They kill the success with the offense that they have been trying to get to for so long - going back to Norv Turner's redskins. And a new offense will more than likely not be able to produce like it has been under Sherm Lewis's play calling. Sherm Lewis is getting the best production with these players, especially out of Campbell, and it didn't take Lewis 2-3 years to do this; hell, it didn't even take him but 2-3 games to get things going.

And I know there are other factors that have led to the recent redskins offensive success, but it's no coincidence that it started soon after Lewis started calling plays.

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[quote=skinsfan69;639497]The call against Daivs was stupid but Davis ( and Thomas) just needs to hand the ball to the ref and move on. I'm tired of watching these guys showboat when they score. Act like you've been there.[/quote]

Amen. Watch Dallas Clark -- the guy scores and jogs off the field like it's no big deal.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;639461]Did anyone else who saw Desean Jackson backstep into the endzone and do a Broadway show, wonder quietly "and Fred Davis got a penalty for what?"[/quote]Yeah, I saw that and I was like, [I]WTF, no penalty and yet Davis got one for less?![/I]

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Orakpo.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;639461]Did anyone else who saw Desean Jackson backstep into the endzone and do a Broadway show, wonder quietly "and Fred Davis got a penalty for what?"[/quote]

If the officials could be as consistent as the Cowgirls losing in December we'd have better games.

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[quote=53Fan;639842]If the officials could be as consistent as the Cowgirls losing in December we'd have better games.[/quote]
LMAO perfect!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;639461]Did anyone else who saw Desean Jackson backstep into the endzone and do a Broadway show, wonder quietly "and Fred Davis got a penalty for what?"[/quote]


ALERT: THIS IS HEARSAY INFO. I AM JUST PASSING IT ALONG...


A friend tells me that Fred Davis flashed what the officials took to be a "gang sign" in his celebration and that brought out the flag.


1. I did not see that.

2. I probably would not recognize a "gang sign" if it bit me on my butt.

3. There has been no league explanation to confirm or deny this assertion.


END HEARSAY ALERT...

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The O-line was weak (but JC handled the pressure well, and showed some toughness), but otherwise, it was a pretty complete game by the Redskins, and we FINALLY really put it to another team. When was the last time that happened? I literally cannot recall.

There were a few sacks of JC where the defender came through untouched. Sometimes, you call that when it's a screen or a shuttle pass or something, but those weren't the calls on those sacks. JC could have been knocked out. The O-line really has to develop more consistency -- too many breakdowns.

I for one would like to see someone outside of DC recognize the Skins' improvement. They haven't been blown out by anyone this year, and even some of the horrid early games (Chiefs, Lions, Panthers) that they lost could have been won had a few plays gone differently, and that is certainly true of some of the more recent losses (Dallas, Eagles, Saints). It's both frustrating and encouraging to see this team play -- if they can maintain this trajectory, look for them to be a rebound team with 10+ wins next season.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;640170]ALERT: THIS IS HEARSAY INFO. I AM JUST PASSING IT ALONG...


A friend tells me that Fred Davis flashed what the officials took to be a "gang sign" in his celebration and that brought out the flag.


1. I did not see that.

2. I probably would not recognize a "gang sign" if it bit me on my butt.

3. There has been no league explanation to confirm or deny this assertion.


END HEARSAY ALERT...[/quote]

According to Davis the refs thought he was flipping off the crowd.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;640170]ALERT: THIS IS HEARSAY INFO. I AM JUST PASSING IT ALONG...


A friend tells me that Fred Davis flashed what the officials took to be a "gang sign" in his celebration and that brought out the flag.


1. I did not see that.

2. I probably would not recognize a "gang sign" if it bit me on my butt.

3. There has been no league explanation to confirm or deny this assertion.


END HEARSAY ALERT...[/quote]I can confirm that I saw what they flagged him for was a hand gesture. There's nothing explicit in the rule book that would suggest that anything he did should be flagged, but he left himself open to such interpretation with excessive celebration.

The officials didn't see very much in general all game, so I'm not too worried about him needing an "attitude adjustment."

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[quote=calia;640175]There were a few sacks of JC where the defender came through untouched. Sometimes, you call that when it's a screen or a shuttle pass or something, but those weren't the calls on those sacks. JC could have been knocked out. The O-line really has to develop more consistency -- too many breakdowns.[/quote]Ganther went the wrong way once, leading to a sack. With all the turnover we've had at RB, that's pretty understandable. Protection schemes in the NFL are of algebraic complexity.

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[quote=GTripp0012;640303]Ganther went the wrong way once, leading to a sack. With all the turnover we've had at RB, that's pretty understandable. Protection schemes in the NFL are of algebraic complexity.[/quote]

is that his responsibilty to see that or is that somethign jc should call out?

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[quote=mlmdub130;640330]is that his responsibilty to see that or is that somethign jc should call out?[/quote]From what I understand, Rabach is responsible for calling the protection, and Campbell can change it (more specifically, he can change the play) if the front is not to his liking. Zorn protections, from what I understand, are specific to the team they are playing. So it's probably just on Ganther.

Of course, if Campbell had changed the play, he needs to give ample time for the line to sort the new protection, and the backs to adjust.

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[quote=GTripp0012;640334]From what I understand, Rabach is responsible for calling the protection, and Campbell can change it (more specifically, he can change the play) if the front is not to his liking. Zorn protections, from what I understand, are specific to the team they are playing. So it's probably just on Ganther.

Of course, if Campbell had changed the play, he needs to give ample time for the line to sort the new protection, and the backs to adjust.[/quote]

thanks, yeah that play stuck out to me i couldn't tell who it was on, it seemed like the tackle should have helped outside, but i don't know, but overall we had decent protection for what we have for most of the game. hope they kept it up

Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Raiders)
 

[quote=GTripp0012;640302]I can confirm that I saw what they flagged him for was a hand gesture. There's nothing explicit in the rule book that would suggest that anything he did should be flagged, but he left himself open to such interpretation with excessive celebration.

The officials didn't see very much in general all game, so I'm not too worried about him needing an "attitude adjustment."[/quote]

They thought they saw him "saluting" the crowd

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