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[quote=SBXVII;645853]Let me see if I got this right cause I just heard it....

We bring in the 100 mill $ man to wreak havoc all game long. He shows up, been a team player, defended other players on the field, and true he takes plays off but he also give 150% when on the field by taking on two players every play on almost all games.

We are at the end of a losing season....one in which Zorn has failed to show up to for 6 games of last season and all of this season. Call it what you want late or absent but HC has not been there and he's going to send a player home? He could not fine him? Could not tell him he's staying after for extra work? Make him do up downs for a half an hour? .....sent him home. Thats the best you can do? Zorn's got issues. I have no problem with AH speaking out cause we all know Zorn is gone at seasons end. I wish I was AH....I'd start showing up late to all the meetings. I mean if my punishment is to be sent home then I'd gladly sit on my couch and collect my 100 mill.[/quote]

I don't think Haynesworth is worth the money we spent, especially since the Titans got the same production for a fraction of the price, BUT anyone who thinks Carter and Orakpo would have double digit sacks if he weren't here is crazy.

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[quote=Son Of Man;645854]I can't wait for this ENTIRE coaching staff to be gone!!![/quote]

Every single one of those clowns. Every single one.

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Who cares -- the coaches will be gone in a few weeks and big al will be happy.

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[quote=44Deezel;645855]I don't think Haynesworth is worth the money we spent, especially since the Titans got the same production for a fraction of the price, BUT anyone who thinks Carter and Orakpo would have double digit sacks if he weren't here is crazy.[/quote]

Trust me I'm totally with you. I agree we over spent on AH, but I have to admit he is freeing up Orakpo and Carter more then Daniels and Griffen.

What gets me is people crying about him taking plays off. Go out on the field and have to move your 300+ pounds and take on two others weighting around 300 a piece. So take on 600 pounds on every play during every game. He will need to take a break now and then.

2 more games. 2 more. Then the owner can send the coaching staff home for not showing up to games until the 4th quarter.

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.... can't wait for this season to end...

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[quote=Daseal;645867]Who cares -- the coaches will be gone in a few weeks and big al will be happy.[/quote]

Exactly...

Although I mean its hard to disagree with him, one of the biggest problems I've had with the coaches is that they are so set in their ways with a scheme, they dont try to build around the players... Look at Jason Taylor last year... ok they didn't want them, I get that, but once they got him, why not use him for what he's good at...

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cool this is what we need. Another player going to the media to complain...Carlos, Clinton, now Phat Albert...that how we do things in DC...great

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[quote=Bigreds77;645825][B]Do you people really want our DB coach running the D? Every game his corners & safety's are out of position[/B]. [B][U]I would like to see Zorn send him packing[/U][/B].[/quote]

nope i want every single one of the gone

the only packing zorn is doing is his own shit cause he is gone

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I don't particularly care for the scheme, but Haynesworth needs to keep his criticisms in house. I don't like it when Portis mouths off to the press and I don't like it when Haynesworth does it either. What good does it do to talk to the press about the fact that you think that your coaches (i.e., your bosses) suck? I recognize that Haynesworth can be a dominant player, but this is precisely why I had serious reservations about the team pursuing him in free agency. Keep your trap shut Albert.

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isn't this the same as the other hanyesworth thread?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;645874]I don't particularly care for the scheme, but Haynesworth needs to keep his criticisms in house. I don't like it when Portis mouths off to the press and I don't like it when Haynesworth does it either. What good does it do to talk to the press about the fact that you think that your coaches (i.e., your bosses) suck? I recognize that Haynesworth can be a dominant player, but this is precisely why I had serious reservations about the team pursuing him in free agency. Keep your trap shut Albert.[/quote]

Exactly, ...it does us no good at all. Media is going to jump all over this and twist and turn it into something else...dont like it. typical soap opera Skins bullshit...national media gonna jump all over it....blah blah blah..cant wait for the season to be over and this coaching staff to just go the f*ck away...

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[quote=53Fan;645810]I'll be so glad when that outdated stubborn old bastard is gone. Isn't he from down south? Go get a job with Grilliams in N.O. Blache. Your act has worn thin here and the game is passing you by. This may be a little harsh but I'm over it already, just like I am with Portis. This defense can't hold a lead for s**t no matter who we add to it.[/quote]


Funny. Blache and his D were a top D in the league most of the season and now the suck. A D can only carry a team for so long til they break 53. Doesn't help if your team can't score over 17 points most of the season either. Blache is gone for sure, thing is who does Allen bring in?

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[quote=Gmanc711;645870]Exactly...

Although I mean its hard to disagree with him, one of the biggest problems I've had with the coaches is that they are so set in their ways with a scheme, they dont try to build around the players... Look at Jason Taylor last year... ok they didn't want them, I get that, but once they got him, why not use him for what he's good at...[/quote]

I think it's more of a case of the front office not working with the coaching staff. If we had competent front office people then they would've known that Jason Taylor was not a good fit here. Mainly cause he plays AC's position. Also if Blache plays more of a conservative read and react scheme and wants his DT's to stay at home then the FO shouldn't have wasted their time getting AH.

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[quote=SBXVII;645868]Trust me I'm totally with you. I agree we over spent on AH, but I have to admit he is freeing up Orakpo and Carter more then Daniels and Griffen.

What gets me is people crying about him taking plays off. Go out on the field and have to move your 300+ pounds and take on two others weighting around 300 a piece. So take on 600 pounds on every play during every game. He will need to take a break now and then.

2 more games. 2 more. Then the owner can send the coaching staff home for not showing up to games until the 4th quarter.[/quote]

You have somewhat of a point, but if AH was in shape in the first place he could play on most downs taking on two linemen. Hopefully when he finishes his contract he will have given us enough production to warrant his fat contract.

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I feel REAL confident that whatever D coach comes in here, he will not be pissed off Big Al is on the squad.........

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[quote=GusFrerotte;645891]Funny. Blache and his D were a top D in the league most of the season and now the suck. A D can only carry a team for so long til they break 53. Doesn't help if your team can't score over 17 points most of the season either. Blache is gone for sure, thing is who does Allen bring in?[/quote]

Well I would disagree we were a top defense for most of the season Gus. Depends on your definition of a top defense I guess. We're 2-2 when we've scored over 17 points, we scored 30 on N.O. and lost. I would imagine Shanny or whoever ends up coaching us will bring in their own DC. All I know is we can be a lot better. The "D" was suppose to be our strength. It isn't. Any player who has pass rushing skills or a lot of talent seems to digress when he comes here. I would argue that Blache and G. Williams do more to suppress individual talent by forcing their players to fit their schemes, than they do to take advantage of their talent.

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Statistically we were a top D til like 4-5 weeks ago, according to NFL.com. We were #1 pass Defense and #2 overall for a bit of a stretch there til our O got in a groove, but the D seemed to collapse.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;645896]Statistically we were a top D til like 4-5 weeks ago, according to NFL.com. We were #1 pass Defense and #2 overall for a bit of a stretch there til our O got in a groove, but the D seemed to collapse.[/quote]Because our offense wasn't a threat, bad teams could afford to lean on their running games against our always pretty effective run defense, instead of having to rely on their passing games to challenge our weaknesses.

I mean, you were there to see Stafford absolutely torch this joke of a defense in his third ever start with two 80+ yard drives. There wasn't a whole lot of that going on in the first six games or so because the offense wasn't pulling it's weight and teams could beat us without putting it in the air. But when they chose to, even the worst passing games in the NFL had a fair share of success.

It wasn't a coincidence that the Blache scheme got exposed as soon as the offense started to find it's stride. Once opponents realized that they would need to put up a few TDs in order to beat the Redskins, it caused them to have to find mismatches in the passing game against us. That's when you started to see all the double moves. It's not that Carolina and Kansas City couldn't have done the same thing to us, it's that they could compete simply by grinding it out and not putting it in the hands of their QBs.

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Eli Manning is not a great quarterback. He is a very good quarterback, in some ways the best in the division (although Romo is more productive, game to game). The only thing you need to see from our defense is how competitive they are against the best pocket passer in the division.

Since 2008, we've made Eli Manning look like Peyton Manning out there. When the division rival that sees you the most starts to resemble an all time great against you, it's time for a change. All defenses for the Blache defense are just petty, at this point.

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[quote=GTripp0012;645899]Eli Manning is not a great quarterback. He is a very good quarterback, in some ways the best in the division (although Romo is more productive, game to game). The only thing you need to see from our defense is how competitive they are against the best pocket passer in the division.

Since 2008, we've made Eli Manning look like Peyton Manning out there. When the division rival that sees you the most starts to resemble an all time great against you, it's time for a change. All defenses for the Blache defense are just petty, at this point.[/quote]

Sorry GTRIPP but the best qb in the east is Mcnabb, Manning is slightly better than Romo just because Tony is at times very inconsistent. Also I just ran by this report [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/haynesworth-tried-to-get-teammates-to-come-late-to-practice/]Haynesworth tried to get teammates to come late to practice | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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Hopefully all this chaos will come to an end soon, now that Bruce Allen is in charge and is better at controlling chaos than Vinny ever was. I don't know what Zorn was trying to prove by sending AH home. I mean it's not like he's the first person to ever show up late to practice. It has me wondering if the mandate actually came down from Bruce Allen as "we're not playing favorites anymore and we're going to start holding people accountable Jim. So if someone is late, you send them home."

Though I think the bigger issue was that Haynesworth reportedly tried to get many of the players to arrive late together in protest.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;645874]I don't particularly care for the scheme, but Haynesworth needs to keep his criticisms in house. I don't like it when Portis mouths off to the press and I don't like it when Haynesworth does it either. What good does it do to talk to the press about the fact that you think that your coaches (i.e., your bosses) suck? I recognize that Haynesworth can be a dominant player, but this is precisely why I had serious reservations about the team pursuing him in free agency. Keep your trap shut Albert.[/quote]

Albert has become image conscious. He has heard the rumblings about him not playing all the plays, not worth his contract and other things he considers not to be true.

His speaking out (though I don't neccessarily agree with his method) is his way of trying to make people understand, hey!! I'm everything you thought you were getting if I weren't being held back. With a different approach to how the defense is played we will inturn see a different payer. I find it disturbing for a coach to tell a player to get ot of my face, go sit down and shut up because he offers suggestions about how he as a player can help make the defense better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;645902]Hopefully all this chaos will come to an end soon, now that Bruce Allen is in charge and is better at controlling chaos than Vinny ever was. I don't know what Zorn was trying to prove by sending AH home. I mean it's not like he's the first person to ever show up late to practice. It has me wondering if the mandate actually came down from Bruce Allen as "we're not playing favorites anymore and we're going to start holding people accountable Jim. So if someone is late, you send them home."

Though I think the bigger issue was that Haynesworth reportedly tried to get many of the players to arrive late together in protest.[/quote]

Albert was the ringleader of a conspiracy......Shame.

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What the hell is Phat Albert thinking? Thats pretty piss poor if he tried this crap...like to hear what London Fletcher, Cooley, JC and others have to say about this garbage...not really want I want to hear from our team going into a primetime game with the cowturds....way to be getting ready...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;645901]Sorry GTRIPP but the best qb in the east is Mcnabb, Manning is slightly better than Romo just because Tony is at times very inconsistent. Also I just ran by this report [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/haynesworth-tried-to-get-teammates-to-come-late-to-practice/"]Haynesworth tried to get teammates to come late to practice | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]McNabb's got to be a cut below in most books. One week he'll be worse than Campbell, and the next week he'll be better, but he always compiles a better season than Jason at the end.

My point is: they're closer than McNabb and Eli are.

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I wonder what Red Bar thinks of all this?

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I mentioned the other day before all of this, that i want AH to be Mr. Redskin. If it's not going good he needs to be part of the solution. By mouthing off like this, it ain't helping. It's ok to feel this way but to talk to the media about it, i'm not sure it's the best thing in the world. It's like he's taking up for himself personally not having a great stat year. Who cares, us fans know what he brings to the table.

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If Haynesworth does not play tomorrow night he will have missed both Dallas games. I don't want to think Andre Gurode has anything to do with it. Could he be systematically avoiding the Cowboys?

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If Gray gets the axe I wonder what HC would want him? He went against the HC & sold out the Rooney rule also.

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Wow Zorn is really being a little bitch now. I cant wait for the season to be over and see where the team is headed this offseason.

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[quote=12thMan;645842]You know Carlos Rogers has taken a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so, but you can almost sense he's been biting his tongue for a while now. Again, Rogers has been horrible but I think if had the opportunity to be completely candid, I think he'd place some of the blame on his coaches.[/quote]

Because his coaches gave him those stone hands he's been sportin'...

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[quote=SmootSmack;645902]Hopefully all this chaos will come to an end soon, now that Bruce Allen is in charge and is better at controlling chaos than Vinny ever was. I don't know what Zorn was trying to prove by sending AH home. I mean it's not like he's the first person to ever show up late to practice. It has me wondering if the mandate actually came down from Bruce Allen as "we're not playing favorites anymore and we're going to start holding people accountable Jim. So if someone is late, you send them home."

[B]Though I think the bigger issue was that Haynesworth reportedly tried to get many of the players to arrive late together in protest.[/B][/quote]

Really? Guess I missed that report, where did you hear that? Is this mutiny against the coaches because the players really aren't buying into the shit anymore, or what?

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[quote=Longtimefan;645910]If Haynesworth does not play tomorrow night he will have missed both Dallas games. I don't want to think Andre Gurode has anything to do with it. Could he be systematically avoiding the Cowboys?[/quote]

I could see Gurode avoiding AH moreso than the other way around. I think he'll play.

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[quote=53Fan;645934]I could see Gurode avoiding AH moreso than the other way around. I think he'll play.[/quote]

Jason Reid has reported that he is indeed going to play and start.

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He probably should keep it in house but one thing I like about Al is he doesn't seem to back down from anyone. He truly seems concerned about his legacy as a player and he feels that he was misled by those who brought him here.

Good for him for calling out the coaches. Why hasn't there been a fistfight over Randal-Fail being allowed to catch punts? Why the hell is the stretch play still in our playbook?

As bad as the players have played, the coaching has been worse. Much worse.

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[quote=SmootSmack;645902]Hopefully all this chaos will come to an end soon, now that Bruce Allen is in charge and is better at controlling chaos than Vinny ever was. I don't know what Zorn was trying to prove by sending AH home. I mean it's not like he's the first person to ever show up late to practice. It has me wondering if the mandate actually came down from Bruce Allen as "we're not playing favorites anymore and we're going to start holding people accountable Jim. So if someone is late, you send them home."

Though I think the bigger issue was that Haynesworth reportedly tried to get many of the players to arrive late together in protest.[/quote]

Jason Reid recently reported on his Redskin Insider blog that he received a t-message from Haynesworth stating there was no truth to the rumor he tried to encourage other players to arrive late for practice. I guess it's a matter of who you chose to believe.

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Our opponents still punt? I thought the solution to our punt return woes was to never get to fourth down.

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[quote=GTripp0012;645969]Our opponents still punt? I thought the solution to our punt return woes was to never get to fourth down.[/quote]

:laughing- That use to be our 4th quarter strategy, last week we apparently decided to start the game with it.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;645965]He probably should keep it in house but one thing I like about Al is he doesn't seem to back down from anyone. He truly seems concerned about his legacy as a player and he feels that he was misled by those who brought him here.

Good for him for calling out the coaches. Why hasn't there been a fistfight over Randal-Fail being allowed to catch punts? Why the hell is the stretch play still in our playbook?

As bad as the players have played, the coaching has been worse. Much worse.[/quote]

There are other payers on the defense shouting Amen to everything Haynesworth has said, they just didn't have the courage to say it themselves. At this point in a dissapointing season that's about to come to an end, who the hell cares what the media writes about this story?
They don't have long to write because it's just about over, and the story soon to be forgotten.

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Should have been fired Zorn, these are the long term effects of Extra Medium syndrome.