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I think we're all fooling ourselves if we think that if/when our offensive line improves Jason Campbell will morph into this great quarterback, or even a better quarterback. I'm just not sold anymore.

Teams line up behind the quarterback. Litterally and figuratively. We're waiting for everything and everyone else to improve, except Campbell. Great blocking and execution is by and large a product of confidence. Whether it's in the system or the guy lining up behind the center. I'll say the same thing applies to wide recievers catching balls. I've watched Ben Rothlesburger have at least a half dozen crappy games only to thread the needle to some wideout in the last minute or two when it counted.

On the flip side, I've always been of the opinion that Dwight Freeney for the Colts has been the benefactor of the style and pace they play offensively. On some level, that's directly attributable to Peyton Manning. Confidence begets confidence, and more often than not it starts with the quarterback and the coach. No particular order, I suppose.

For the first time, I'm open to the possibility of Matt Leinart coming here. I'm sure he and Fred Davis could get aquainted in no time, both coming from Pete Carroll's offense. In the meantime, I'm still pulling for Campbell. But support is slipping fast.

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[quote=SmootSmack;646961]Aristotle said-We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit-marinate on that for a minute[/quote]

thread killer lol

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[quote=Mattyk;646896]I'd still like to see what JC could do in a more stable environment and with an offense that suits his strengths. Whether he gets that chance remains to be seen.[/quote]

Funny, out of all the times I have talked negative about JC I actually would like to see how he would do with an extremely better O-line.

I completely agree with 12th though. I think JC is what he is.

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Has Zorn been calling the plays the past two weeks because it sure looks like the same O before Sherm came here?

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[quote=12thMan;646968]I think we're all fooling ourselves if we think that if/when our offensive line improves Jason Campbell will morph into this great quarterback, or even a better quarterback. I'm just not sold anymore.

Teams line up behind the quarterback. Litterally and figuratively. We're waiting for everything and everyone else to improve, except Campbell. Great blocking and execution is by and large a product of confidence. Whether it's in the system or the guy lining up behind the center. I'll say the same thing applies to wide recievers catching balls. I've watched Ben Rothlesburger have at least a half dozen crappy games only to thread the needle to some wideout in the last minute or two when it counted.

On the flip side, I've always been of the opinion that Dwight Freeney for the Colts has been the benefactor of the style and pace they play offensively. On some level, that's directly attributable to Peyton Manning. Confidence begets confidence, and more often than not it starts with the quarterback and the coach. No particular order, I suppose.

For the first time, I'm open to the possibility of Matt Leinart coming here. I'm sure he and Fred Davis could get aquainted in no time, both coming from Pete Carroll's offense. In the meantime, I'm still pulling for Campbell. But support is slipping fast.[/quote]

I cannot recall one play where JC put the ball up so our WR could make a play on the ball and not the defender. He just sucks and any support I had for him coming back is now gone.

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The only thing I can attribute JC to is his being able to take a hit.

My negatives on him are;

He throws behind his receivers-maybe its lack of anticipation.
He doesn't read defenses well-can't shift his protection for some reason.
He either over throws or under throws his receivers.
He throws too hard all the time-sometimes you have to finess the ball within 10yrds..

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[quote=SBXVII;646974]The only thing I can attribute JC to is his being able to take a hit.

My negatives on him are;

He throws behind his receivers-maybe its lack of anticipation.
He doesn't read defenses well-can't shift his protection for some reason.
He either over throws or under throws his receivers.
He throws too hard all the time-sometimes you have to finess the ball within 10yrds..[/quote]

So I wasn't the only one who thought a lot of his throws to Moss were behind him then

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[quote=SmootSmack;646976]So I wasn't the only one who thought a lot of his throws to Moss were behind him then[/quote]

I'm shocked. unless your being sarcastic. I seem to get railed everytime I say these things, but if your not then yes I noticed it.

When I say he throws the ball too hard within 5-10 yrds I get yelled at.

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[quote=SBXVII;646980]I'm shocked. unless your being sarcastic. I seem to get railed everytime I say these things, but if your not then yes I noticed it.

When I say he throws the ball too hard within 5-10 yrds I get yelled at.[/quote]

No sarcasm. There were completed throws to Moss that I thought were pretty poor.

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[quote=SBXVII;646980]I'm shocked. unless your being sarcastic. I seem to get railed everytime I say these things, but if your not then yes I noticed it.

When I say he throws the ball too hard within 5-10 yrds I get yelled at.[/quote]


It seem from what I saw that JC almost never hits a receiver in stride with a pass longer than 5 yds. He's best suited in a dink & dunk O.

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JC doesn't seem to do a good job at reading defenses. I don't know whether it's coaching, lack of audibles, i don't know. Several scouts weren't that high on JC coming out of college. They though he was a major stretch in the 1st round. They listed him as a project. A big qb w/ a big arm but not greatly mobile and a delivery that was too long. JG's gambled on him and we all know about JG's talent evaluation (hit and miss).

He is what he is. A decent qb when he's got a good run game, good protection. Who isn't? Not going to win or lose the game for you most often. A tough QB. Doesn't have great "feel" for the game and not really good enough to be a vocal leader IMO. Put it all together you've got a backup.

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1. Sherm Lewis is calling the plays now just as he has for the past month and a half. And how is that working out...? [B]Reality time:[/B] They could channel the ghost of Vince Lombardi to call the plays and it would not matter; this roster does not have enough good players on it to execute the most brilliantly conceived game plan in the history of football.

2. Jim Zorn is going to smile his way to the bank. The Skins tried to humiliate him and get him to act in defiance of their orders - - so they could fire him for cause and not pay him the rest of his contract. Zorn - - or his agent - - saw through that and he adapted his behavior such that when he gets fired he will have collected all of this year's salary plus whatever is due him for the duration.

3. How about that offensive line? Was there a Redskins' Offensive lineman on the field last night who "played well"? How about "played hard"? How about "was worth a bucket of wet goat s*it"? Dockery is a journeyman and nothing more; Jones is an emergency stopgap on a team that aspires to be a good team; Rabach's best days are well in his rear view mirror; no one - - as in not a single other person who played last night - - should be allowed on next year's roster. And those three need to be consigned to backup roles.

4. How many times does it take before Greg Blache figures out that neither Laron Landry nor Rocky McIntosh can cover a legitimate route runner in the NFL? Stop calling defensive alignments that demand those skills from those players.

5. Nice to see Albert Haynesworth on the field for 60% of the plays last night. That was damned nice of him. Now if somehow he could find it in his heart to give full effort on those plays when he deigns to be on the field...

6. I am surprised that Suisham did not - - after his successful field goal - - point to Danny Boy's box and then give the "thumbs down" signal. He would have been fined for a throat slash or for flipping the bird but a thumbs down might have been "acceptable". And it would have been so appropriate. Danny Boy just punched Suisham's ticket to the playoffs with his temper tantrum...

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[quote=SmootSmack;646874]I said that. Still stand by it. To clarify I said that if we pick 6th and Okung is gone, I'd rather not reach for a OT there and just address the line later. It's a weak OT class in terms of top-flight quality. I'd rather we take someone like Bradford there and then we can still get Trent Williams or Charles Scott high in the 2nd in my opinion (or even Anthony Davis). Maybe trade into the late 2nd/early 3rd and add one of the Iowa linemen. Not wanting to reach to grab any offensive lineman high in the draft is not at all the same thing as saying let's ignore the line.[/quote]

You mean Kyle Calloway and Brian Bulaga? I would take either one of those two to be Redskins!

Ideally Okung in the first and Calloway in the later rounds.

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[quote=SBXVII;646980]I'm shocked. unless your being sarcastic. I seem to get railed everytime I say these things, but if your not then yes I noticed it.

When I say he throws the ball too hard within 5-10 yrds I get yelled at.[/quote]


I also agree.

JC can't anticipate when a WR will be open, He has to wait for the WR to be open before throwing then it's too late.

It's annoying to see Collins come off the bench late in the game in near freezing weather and throw two perfect deep balls in his only two plays.

I don't think JC sees the whole field.
Imagine if he was our QB for the Mark Brunell to Moss 2 TD game against Dallas, I doubt JC would attempt to make that play. Forget about the actual throw, he won't even attempt it.

I'm not sure I can make it with him as our QB another year, He has become our Kordell Stewart.

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[quote=SmootSmack;646829]
[B]Bye Weeks[/B] If not for a bye week, this miserable season would have ended yesterday

[/quote]

laying the smack down on bye weeks.. ah what a season

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;646848][B]Division Play[/B] We went 0-6 in the division for the first time since 94. Zorn should be canned this morning, preferably right after his press conference (but that is probably just the disgust guiding me). I whole heartedly believed that two solid wins against the NYG and cowpukes would have given Zorn credibility, instead he got nothing from the team, and just added fuel to the laughing stock that the Skins have become in the media. 0-6, unbelievable![/quote]

have we ever finished 0-6 in the division before?? i know that this was the first time ever we have been shut out by dallas

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[quote=mlmdub130;647084]have we ever finished 0-6 in the division before?? i know that this was the first time ever we have been shut out by dallas[/quote]

We went 0-6 in 1994

Dallas shut us out in 2003, 27-0 at Fed-ex Field

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[quote=mlmdub130;647084]have we ever finished 0-6 in the division before?? i know that this was the first time ever we have been shut out by dallas[/quote]
1994 we did not win a divisional game.

I think we need to bring an end to this ganthers experiment.

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[quote=dmek25;646851]im laying the smack-down on anyone that says the skins need to draft a quarterback, or best player available. if they don't draft anything but linemen, my head will explode. and if they bring any of the current guys back, except with the intention of using them as back ups, someone needs their head examined[/quote]
Don't explode ... I hear it hurts ? I agree with the OL , but .... we are probably 3 years away of being good = yr in & yr out .... so if we go BPA with one of our 1st 2 picks , I can live with that . I hope they sign 2 F/A OL as we need a guy or two that we KNOW can start from day one .

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[quote=budw38;647104]Don't explode ... I hear it hurts ? I agree with the OL , but .... we are probably 3 years away of being good = yr in & yr out .... [B]so if we go BPA with one of our 1st 2 picks , I can live with that .[/B] I hope they sign 2 F/A OL as we need a guy or two that we KNOW can start from day one .[/quote]

What if the best player available for those two picks are TE and WR?
Do we pull a Vinny and draft them?
I say no.

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[quote=Mattyk;646876]You simply can't reach for a guy based on need, that's not a sound draft strategy. In no particular order I would like to see us grab a QB, RB, and OT with our first 3 picks.[/quote]

First of all, I would put our needs as OT, QB, then RB.
Second of all, RB's can be found anywhere in the draft so don't worry, I have a feeling Shanahan will bring in a good RB here that doesn't have to be a 3rd rounder.

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What if Rolando McLain is available?

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[quote=SmootSmack;647109]What if Rolando McLain is available?[/quote]

we could get a MLB next year or Spikes this year in the late first early second, other wise, keep fletch for year 13

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I had my company Xmas party last night, and I only saw a total of maybe a quarter of the game. And you know what? I couldn't have cared less. It was kind of weird. Playing Dallas at home and I wasn't bothered one bit by the fact that I missed the game. Tells you where we're at as a team.

My smackdown goes to the 2009 Redskins' season. Thanks for nothing.

Playing in your last home game against your archrival who can clinch the playoffs with a win... and you fail to score a single effing point???

Joe Theisman said this morning on the radio that he could see nearly half of this team not returning for 2010. God I hope he's right.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;647107]First of all, I would put our needs as OT, QB, then RB.
Second of all, RB's can be found anywhere in the draft so don't worry, I have a feeling Shanahan will bring in a good RB here that doesn't have to be a 3rd rounder.[/quote]

Unless theres is an AP type running back in the draft, I'm good with drafting a running back in the 1st round. I feel like you can plug just about anyone in there and if the holes are good, they'll run well. I really hope next year we have a solid change of pace back, not someone who is a mirror image of our starter.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647109]What if Rolando McLain is available?[/quote]

You like him better than Spikes?

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[quote=Paintrain;646849]
I hope Landry enrolls in some geometry classes because he needs serious work on his angles.[/quote]
Did you notice that Kareem Moore whiffed on at least 3 as well?

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[quote=Mattyk;646939]Not a dink and dunk WCO[/quote]
Not a stretch the field type QB

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[quote=irish;646949]2yd screen passes are the only passes he throws well. A dink & dunk offense is what he's best suited for. He's not accurate enough to be in an offense that is designed to throw downfield.[/quote]He hasn't been looking very good on those either.

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[quote=SmootSmack;646976]So I wasn't the only one who thought a lot of his throws to Moss were behind him then[/quote]
For the past two years at least. He's thrown behind pretty much everyone in the intermediary routes.. even screens.

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[quote=GMScud;647116]I had my company Xmas party last night, and I only saw a total of maybe a quarter of the game. And you know what? I couldn't have cared less. It was kind of weird. Playing Dallas at home and I wasn't bothered one bit by the fact that I missed the game. Tells you where we're at as a team.

My smackdown goes to the 2009 Redskins' season. Thanks for nothing.

Playing in your last home game against your archrival who can clinch the playoffs with a win... and you fail to score a single effing point???

Joe Theisman said this morning on the radio that he could see nearly half of this team not returning for 2010. God I hope he's right.[/quote]


You know man I've been a DIEHARD skins fan my whole life.. And I can relate to what you just said.. I did watch the game because my inlaws are cowboys fans and I always watch these teams play, but I really didn't care that we were so bad, hell we have been bad for 15 years or so! I really don't know what to think about this team anymore, will the skins ever be back into the SB? I'm sure they will eventually but my god we have to rebuild yet again. I mean what happens if Shanny and Allen don't turn this around asap? How much more can US skins fans take of losing football?

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[quote=Lotus;647123]You like him better than Spikes?[/quote]

I'm a gator fan and YES McLain will be better than spikes..

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[quote=Defensewins;647106]What if the best player available for those two picks are TE and WR?
Do we pull a Vinny and draft them?
I say no.[/quote] No , I would not go WR - TE . What I'am saying is this , I would pick a HOF type RB or DL as opposed to a Tackle that I believed was an above average T . I would 1st , bring in 2-3 OL in F/A , then I would not have to use " all of my pics " on one position . I will put it this way , if in rd 2 I have to choose between D.Dockery and B. Sanders ... I draft Sanders .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;646852]These last two games looked more like the Pre-Lewis Skins, and Smoot had made the comment that Allen may have let Zorn call all the shots for the Giants game. Can anyone confirm that. Really I am just curious about if Lewis was involved in these two losses, or if his role had been curtailed.[/quote]


The team sucks period. You act like Sherm Lewis could turn things around for the long haul. You could have brought VInce Lombardi back via time machine and these bums would still suck. WE have very few bona fide stars on our team with Cooley hurt and Portis probably looking at possible early retirement. On top of that we have absolutely no depth at the skilled positions. Mr. Allen is going to blow this franchise up and start anew I think.

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[quote=Gmanc711;647121]Unless theres is an AP type running back in the draft, I'm good with drafting a running back in the 1st round. I feel like you can plug just about anyone in there and if the holes are good, they'll run well. I really hope next year we have a solid change of pace back, not someone who is a mirror image of our starter.[/quote]


Rather have more of a bruiser like Westbrook or another Portis. Peterson had only a few really good games this season. He is quick as hell, but maybe too quick. Half the time he doesn't hit the holes his line has for him or he is just too quick for his line to make the holes for him yet. The best Skins RB I can think of as a prototype for what I would like to see us get is a Stephen Davis clone.

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[quote=firstdown;647100]1994 we did not win a divisional game.

[B]I think we need to bring an end to this ganthers experiment.[/[/B]quote]

What would you have us do? We still have 1 game left. Honestly he's running better then Rock Cartwright. Mason....I might agree with you on. He's had his chance. I gave him more time then most on this site.

If he can get his blocking down he might turn out to be a great runner. Wait....I think I said that about Mason also. LOL. Maybe Shanahan with his infinite wisdom and newer updated blocking scheme will get more out of both of them. Plus Alridge.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;647137]The team sucks period. You act like Sherm Lewis could turn things around for the long haul. You could have brought VInce Lombardi back via time machine and these bums would still suck. WE have very few bona fide stars on our team with Cooley hurt and Portis probably looking at possible early retirement. On top of that we have absolutely no depth at the skilled positions. Mr. Allen is going to blow this franchise up and start anew I think.[/quote]

I think he keeps 5 guys on Offense and 7 on Defense...

1. Dockery
2. Devin Thomas
3. Fred Davis
4. M. Mitchell
5. C.Rabach

1.London Fletcher
2. AH
3. Orakpo
4. Hall
5. McIntosh
6. Horton
7. Landry (MAYBE)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647134]You know man I've been a DIEHARD skins fan my whole life.. And I can relate to what you just said.. I did watch the game because my inlaws are cowboys fans and I always watch these teams play, but I really didn't care that we were so bad, hell we have been bad for 15 years or so! I really don't know what to think about this team anymore, will the skins ever be back into the SB? I'm sure they will eventually but my god we have to rebuild yet again. I mean what happens if Shanny and Allen don't turn this around asap? How much more can US skins fans take of losing football?[/quote]

It was the first Skins game I haven't watched in a long, long time. I had to be at this Xmas party, so I didn't have much of a choice anyway, but it simply didn't bother me at all that I was missing the game.

Bruce Allen is no Vinny Cerrato, thank god. Yeah, we're gonna have to rebuild, but it's better than spending an entire decade hanging on the notion that we're a player or two away. We'll be alright. I actually have faith now that Vinny is gone.

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The only RB I would even consider is CJ Spiller

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[quote=skinsfaninok;647134]You know man I've been a DIEHARD skins fan my whole life.. And I can relate to what you just said.. I did watch the game because my inlaws are cowboys fans and I always watch these teams play, but I really didn't care that we were so bad, hell we have been bad for 15 years or so! I really don't know what to think about this team anymore, will the skins ever be back into the SB? I'm sure they will eventually but my god we have to rebuild yet again. I mean what happens if Shanny and Allen don't turn this around asap? How much more can US skins fans take of losing football?[/quote]


Need to expand your horizon my friend. Keep the Skins as your fav, but start embracing the NHL. YOur Caps are a fine team. Unless they meet the Red Wings in the Cup, I cheer for the Caps and I am in Detroit. Face it, even if Bruce and Mike are successful, it might take 4 seasons to see the real results. In the meantime split the time with the Caps til that time comes. At least the Caps earn their money and show some pride!!!!!!!