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[quote=vallin21;651621]I doubt we get a QB in the draft. I see us trading down and getting Marshall the day of the draft. We get their 1st and 3rd.

Here are the positions we need to address in the draft

1.(Trade w/ Denver) OT
2.OG
3A. C
3B. (Pick gained from Denver) FS
4. OT
5.RB
6. CB
7. MLB[/quote]


Need a QB for sure bub. JC should be sitting pretty, but then you have Brennan and Collins. Collins might retire or just be put out to stud during camp in August, and Brennan might not make the team either or just get the axe beforehand. Our QB depth at the present time is rather dreadful.

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Kafka and Elliot from Purdue will be available probably in round 3.

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I don't really think that Campbell will be back here next year, I think Shanahan just said that because like he said, he really hasn't seen the team and will have to evaluate later on. I think he goes back to evaluate and sees that Campbell isn't his answer. Besides why else was Snyder going after Cutler and Sanchez in the offseason? As a just in case Zorn fails and I get Shanahan senario, and now I think that scenario is here.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;651615]This is a bold statement but in 2 or 3 years when Bradford starts playing at the same level of a guy like Phillip Rivers you're going to be estatic about the fact that we used a first round pick on him. I've been saying this a lot lately but there were a lot of people in Atlanta on draft day who got pissed when the Falcons drafted Matt Ryan instead of Glen Dorsey.

On top of that, with the Shannahans records of developing QB's, why wouldn't you want a guy with the ability to be a franchise QB for the next 10 or 15 years? Remember Shannahan sent Brian Greise and Jay Cutler to the Pro Bowl, even got Jake Plummer an alternate spot. Then you got Kyle as the OC and we all know how much he helped develop Matt Schaub.[/quote]


Bradford is damaged goods. Messed up shoulder twice in the same season within a few weeks of him coming back no less. What makes you think he is going to be fine when say Ware sacks his ass? Remember he is a system QB, loads of talent, but Stoops system only elevates the QB play. Also, the Big 12 is virtually an all offense conference. Think Stafford is going to shine so much when the odds are even in the NFL? We want a QB that made things happen on an average or above average team. An average QB can look like an All American if he is surrounded by the gobs of talent on say an Oklahoma, Texas, or Florida. The guys that can really throw down are the guys that are surrounded by maybe less than stellar talent, but who can help elevate their teammates game and make things happen on their own.

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If we can draft an olinemen in the first and a QB in the second (McCoy or Pike), I'd be most for that.... I honestly would be game with a later (4th) round type QB as well, I maybe in the minority, but I still think with a line and a running game, Campbell can be good... and I think thats more realistic to happen sooner than a QB to come in and be really good.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;651649]I don't really think that Campbell will be back here next year, I think Shanahan just said that because like he said, he really hasn't seen the team and will have to evaluate later on. I think he goes back to evaluate and sees that Campbell isn't his answer. Besides why else was Snyder going after Cutler and Sanchez in the offseason? As a just in case Zorn fails and I get Shanahan senario, and now I think that scenario is here.[/quote]

What makes you say this? I think Shanahan could have easily used the same tone he used when answering questions about Portis when he talked about Campbell. I would hope that the new front office is smart enough to either keep Campbell (since there are really no good options without giving up picks in a trade) and allow for a drafted QB to develop; or to get compensation for him. I think the smart thing is to keep him around (it shouldn't cost the team much) and let whatever QB is drafted, develop.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins/?blockID=113380&feedID=2993]CSN Exclusive: Cartwright And Campbell On Shanahan[/url]

Cartwright and Campbell watch the Shannahan press conference.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;651662][URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins/?blockID=113380&feedID=2993"]CSN Exclusive: Cartwright And Campbell On Shanahan[/URL]

Cartwright and Campbell watch the Shannahan press conference.[/quote]

I would hope they're watching along with every Skins player as their future rests with the man.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;651662][URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins/?blockID=113380&feedID=2993"]CSN Exclusive: Cartwright And Campbell On Shanahan[/URL]

Cartwright and Campbell watch the Shannahan press conference.[/quote]

Anyone notice how Rock, Jason, and Chick were all in their socks? Someone doesn't like shoes in the house!!! LOL

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If Clausen isn't on the board then I'm postulating that Bradford will be the choice. No way will Shannahan draft a Lineman in the first round. During his entire tenure in Denver he's only drafted one offensive lineman in the first round that I can recall. He's proven that he's adept at selecting solid o-lineman in the later rounds.

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I hope that the FO will target SF's two first round picks (If they are high on Clausen or Bradford) and trade down to get them. Then take a LT & Colt McCoy in the first (unless they think he'll be there in the second). Then use the 2nd round pick to draft best player available (hopefully a worhty OT).

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I'm not totally convinced that Campbell is staying. I suspect the Skins will offer him a one-year tender and if someone bites and offers another draft pick they'll take it.

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This scenario is all well and good if the 1st round pick isn't wasted on a QB. This has been and will be debated all over this board, but the offensive line needs to be addressed BIG time. We have the chance to get the best olineman in the draft, and probably a starter in the 2nd round as well. I dont see any need in drafting a QB at all this year. I think this organization will be pleasantly surprised by the success Jason would have behind a good oline.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;651643]I would keep JC for two to four more. You have to think, what if the newbie is a bust. At least JC is an above average QB and can still play to a decent level. He is better than most lower tier NFL Qbs without a doubt. I hope to god we get a QB like Lefevour, Sheehan, Pike, Stull, or even Kafka. [B]Watching Oklahoma in their bowl game it becoame apparent to me that Stafford might not be all that since his replacement had a monster game.[/B] If Clausen was so great the Irish should have made a bowl game like Kafka and Northwestern did with less talent. Tebow will be a decent NFL QB but will not live up to the hype surrounding him. Neither will Colt. The Big 12 is all offense and not much in terms of defense. Without those guys( meaning the second tier QBs mentioned before) their respective teams would have sucked. Lefevour is a stud. Stull and Pike are gamers. I like Kafka because the guy basically was the Northwestern offense in '09. He isn't afraid to run and the NW spread might help him with Shanny's version of the WCO.[/quote]


Yeah, and his replacement also struggled in a bunch of games and they lost way more than they would have it Bradford would have been healthy.

Based on your logic, the Colts were stupid for drafting Peyton Manning, because Heath Schuler was a bust playing in the same system. Or that Carson Palmer, John David Booty, Matt Leinart and Dirty Sanchez are all exactly the same player, because they put up similar stats playing in the same system.

The "system QB" argument is a joke and not all QBs are created equally. If the consensus is that Bradford is a top 5 pick, then he's a top 5 pick. It doesn't guarantee he'll be great, but then again nothing is guaranteed in the draft.

The bottom line is that there will be one or more QBs who get drafted next year that will go on to become great franchise QBs. The Skins wouldn't be stupid to take a chance at getting one with their first pick. The reward is worth the risk.

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[quote=SmootSmack;651746]I'm not totally convinced that Campbell is staying. I suspect the Skins will offer him a one-year tender and if someone bites and offers another draft pick they'll take it.[/quote]

Let's say it's a high pick like Bradford, do you think it's possible he starts as a rookie?

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[quote=Mattyk;651763]Let's say it's a high pick like Bradford, do you think it's possible he starts as a rookie?[/quote]

I would think he has to unless we bring in some type of vet QB until he's ready...

If anything I can behind though is letting rookies take their lumps. If we do take Bradford I hope he's tougher than his track record behind THIS line.

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It just makes no sense to draft a QB that high who has duribility questions. As to trading down, I don't see why asking about Marshall on draft day isn't a good move. The guy can play and gives us a chance to get rid of ARE and gives us a true #1 WR. Synder likes big names and it helps that Shanahan is familar w/ Marshall. Draft an OT at 10 (the kid from MD) and get a OG in the 2nd. We [B]"could"[/B] draft a QB in the 4th, but I don't think that's smart.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;651643]I would keep JC for two to four more. You have to think, what if the newbie is a bust. At least JC is an above average QB and can still play to a decent level. He is better than most lower tier NFL Qbs without a doubt. I hope to god we get a QB like Lefevour, Sheehan, Pike, Stull, or even Kafka. Watching Oklahoma in their bowl game it becoame apparent to me that Stafford might not be all that since his replacement had a monster game. If Clausen was so great the Irish should have made a bowl game like Kafka and Northwestern did with less talent. Tebow will be a decent NFL QB but will not live up to the hype surrounding him. Neither will Colt. The Big 12 is all offense and not much in terms of defense. Without those guys( meaning the second tier QBs mentioned before) their respective teams would have sucked. Lefevour is a stud. Stull and Pike are gamers. I like Kafka because the guy basically was the Northwestern offense in '09. He isn't afraid to run and the NW spread might help him with Shanny's version of the WCO.[/quote]

-Bradford, not Stafford

-If Clausen played defense, maybe the Irish would have made a bowl game

-I've never understood the notion that a starter might not be all that when their replacements play well. When Steve Young stepped in for Joe Montana and succeeded did that suddenly mean Joe Cool was overrated, when Jeff Hostetler won a Super Bowl with the Giants did that mean suddenly Phil Simms was a bad QB? Also, it should be noted that often times the offense is dumbed down significantly for backups so that they don't have to do so much to carry the team to victory. So it's not always a fair comparison between starter and backup

-You'd love to get a guy like Pike...but you didn't mention that his backup, Zach Collaros, completed over 80% of his passes in three starts with 8 TDs and zero interceptions...that must mean Pike ain't all that

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[quote=Mattyk;651763]Let's say it's a high pick like Bradford, do you think it's possible he starts as a rookie?[/quote]

Definitely

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[quote=Ruhskins;651660]What makes you say this? I think Shanahan could have easily used the same tone he used when answering questions about Portis when he talked about Campbell. I would hope that the new front office is smart enough to either keep Campbell (since there are really no good options without giving up picks in a trade) and allow for a drafted QB to develop; or to get compensation for him. I think the smart thing is to keep him around (it shouldn't cost the team much) and let whatever QB is drafted, develop.[/quote]

maybe this will answer your question:

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I think Iupati could be the Michael Oher of next year. I Love this guy, the problem is theres no reason for us to take him with the 4th overall pick, which will probably be a QB or OT. Plus in Free Agency is Guards Chester Pitts and Cris Kuper from Houston and Denver, so they already know the offense. And with our second rounder, we'll probably get whatever position we don't get with our first round pick. I personally think we should get Bradford, because all I keep hearing is how he is "super accurate" "good at getting rid of the ball and releasing it quickly" how he can "make all the NFL throws" and is "accuate when he is on the run as well". When I look at a QB the number one thing I'm looking at is is he accurate? Can he get the balls to his receivers? Thats this guy. This guy doesn't come out every year. Russell Okung and Anthony Davis type LT's come out pretty much every year. Plus you look at some of the LT's in the NFL and a lot of them are found pretty much from all the rounds of the draft. QB's that are good are typically in the first round. [B]We've had Jason for 5 years and of the 4 he's played he really hasn't shown me he can be the QB that could take us to the Super Bowl. He's showed me that he can be a back up and fill in if the starting QB gets injured, but thats it. I have more bad memories and moments of Jason than positive moments of him (the time against the Giants he threw and interception 5yds passed the line of scrimmage really sticks out, as well as the games against Dallas, Pittsburgh, Giants where he held onto the ball way way too long, where he should have thrown it away. Pretty much every game which he throws a pass that ends up being a yard short of the first down, instead of going deep.Against the Saints when he was picked off against Vilma and Giants when he stepped way to far back in the pocket and Osi stripped him and ran the fumble in for a score. The only positive moment I have of Jason is when he threw that bomb against the saints a year ago to win, then again that seems to be the only highlight of jason that espn and nfln seem to show when they talk about him)[/B]
So I say we draft Sam Bradford and make him the opening day starter, and deal with the OL in FA and what ever we don't get there, get in the draft, which we will. Who knows maybe Bruce campbell of Maryland falls to us in the second round or Bryan Bulaga of Iowa or Jason Fox (he should definitley be there) or a Ciron Black or maybe who knows a Trent Williams could fall just enough for us to trade up

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[quote=Mattyk;651287]If 2010 is uncapped he will be a restricted free agent and isn't going to have much say in the matter.[/quote]

He could sign an offer sheet with another team with a poison pill or two. I suspect the interest will depend on how high a tender the Redskins place on him.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;651803]He could sign an offer sheet with another team with a poison pill or two. I suspect the interest will depend on how high a tender the Redskins place on him.[/quote]It's because of the compensation (first and a third) that he won't receive an offer sheet no matter who is interested in having him.

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[quote=vallin21;651785]It just makes no sense to draft a QB that high who has duribility questions. As to trading down, I don't see why asking about Marshall on draft day isn't a good move. The guy can play and gives us a chance to get rid of ARE and gives us a true #1 WR. Synder likes big names and [B]it helps that Shanahan is familar w/ Marshall.[/B] Draft an OT at 10 (the kid from MD) and get a OG in the 2nd. We [B]"could"[/B] draft a QB in the 4th, but I don't think that's smart.[/quote]

No, it doesn't. The two had a serious falling out in Denver. I'll bet Shanny digs Don Hutson out of his grave and signs him before he even thinks of bringing in Marshall.

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[quote=Paintrain;651255]This is the most likely and most realistic scenario. I'd love to see what happens with Shanahan's offense with Campbell at the helm. If he doesn't develop more then I'm fine with a highly drafted QB rather than a 40 year old backup or a 6th round preseason phenom.[/quote]

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;651252]Exactly. Say Campbell stays, we shore up the line, and he performs well. Extension. He doesn't, then we have another QB waiting in the wings.

I'd love for us to draft OL with our first pick, then maybe Pike in the second round.[/quote]

Makes sense to me.
I would prefer taking Okung in the 1st.
I like Colt McCoy and Tebow better then Clausen and Bradford and hopefully one of them will slip.
An unlikely scenario but one i would prefer is to:
trade down in the 1st pick up a 3rd round pick
take another OL or a DT in the second
take a QB 3rd round or down a sleeper QB i like is Jarrett Brown.

one of his best games:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB72s88n1z8]YouTube - WVU ECU highlights 2009[/ame]

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[quote=GMScud;651700]Anyone notice how Rock, Jason, and Chick were all in their socks? Someone doesn't like shoes in the house!!! LOL[/quote]

I mentioned it to my wife when she asked whose house it was.

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I am excited to see what Shannahan can do with Campbell. I still am hoping that we take a QB in the first. I think we can get a starting RT with the second pick. Use the forth to draft a center and either pick an LB through free agency or trade for one. I think this team is a lot closer than people are saying. The line has some good Guard prospects and I think that Levi Jones could be our LT next year.

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[quote=mehtadman87;651285]i think that would perfect for us but i doubt that campbell would want to sign a 1 year contract, why would he want to go through another year of learning a new offense just to get released the following year. Either we keep him long term or he isnt going to sign with us.

and after looking at campbell stats for another season and comparing him to other qbs around the leauge we need to lock him up and shore up our O-line.

[B]Elway and Plummer were both worse then campbell before shanahan coached them and both ended up playing well for shanahan. (it took elway 10 years to to have his first decent season).[/B] I know shanahan didnt like campbell coming out of college but you dont pay a guy 7 million a year to rebuild a team. Snyder is paying him the big bucks to be a motivator and to get underperformer to overperform. IMO i believe shanahan will draft an OT and sign O-line free agents that fit his scheme. Right now we have big powerful guys up front (from gibbs power running scheme) shanahan would want smaller more athletic guys up front and there is only so much you can do in free agency and with samules likely to retire i believe OT is inveitable and if you keep campbell you are going to have to cut portis so second round will probably be a RB unless shanahan can find a gem in the 4th or if colt slips to the second i highly doubt we are going to have a rookie QB next year. i duno thats just my 2 cents[/quote]


Excuse me, but is that John Elway you are referring to as having 10 bad years before hehad a decent season? Or did the Broncos have a QB named Marvin Elway that I missed?


Mike Shanahan did not "make" John Elway a good QB. Mike Shanahan is one hell of a good offensive coach, but attributing John Elway's success wholly to Shanahan is outrageous.


I seriously doubt that Jason Campbell himself believes that he is currently better than John Elway was until Mike Shanahan arrived in Denver.

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It's worth noting Elway didn't have a real big time type of season until 1993. Up until then his stats weren't anything all that special. Shanahan wasn't his HC until '95 by the way.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm]John Elway NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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Under Shanahans tutelage, Terrill Davis was the final piece to success for that Offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;651805]It's because of the compensation (first and a third) that he won't receive an offer sheet no matter who is interested in having him.[/quote]

but they could work a sign and trade like the pats did with cassel and KC.

or (im not so sure about this one), tender JC at a 1st & 3rd then trade him for a 2nd rounder like the falcons did with schaub to the texans.

can you trade a guy whose on a restricted FA contract? i assume this is what the falcons-texans did and is the most likely scenario for JCs departure if he's not with us next season.

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Campbell has NOT earned a spot on this roster for next year. Sorry guys. His horrible accuracy beyond 15 yards is alarming. He can't even throw a "hail mary" without it sailing out of bounds. His numbers are only there due to dinks and dunks. Might as well bring back Brunell...he can do that too.

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[quote=jsarno;651954]Campbell has NOT earned a spot on this roster for next year. Sorry guys. His horrible accuracy beyond 15 yards is alarming. He can't even throw a "hail mary" without it sailing out of bounds. His numbers are only there due to dinks and dunks. Might as well bring back Brunell...he can do that too.[/quote]
Well I want a rookie too, but Campbell's got guts. I want him back next year to show what he can do, with a real coach. If nothing else, so our rookie does'nt get killed in his first year. Campbell earned another year to at least compete to start. He kind of won me over the way Tom Cruise won over Val Kilmer in top gun. He can QB my team anytime, or at least until Bradford is ready to take the helm. Remember, Drew Breese looked terrible until they drafted Phillip Rivers.

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Colt McCoy just became available to us in the second round.....something to consider.

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[quote=over the mountain;651912]but they could work a sign and trade like the pats did with cassel and KC.

or (im not so sure about this one), tender JC at a 1st & 3rd then trade him for a 2nd rounder like the falcons did with schaub to the texans.

can you trade a guy whose on a restricted FA contract? i assume this is what the falcons-texans did and is the most likely scenario for JCs departure if he's not with us next season.[/quote]It'd technically be a sign-and-trade, but you're functionally correct.

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[quote=jsarno;651954]Campbell has NOT earned a spot on this roster for next year. Sorry guys. His horrible accuracy beyond 15 yards is alarming. He can't even throw a "hail mary" without it sailing out of bounds. His numbers are only there due to dinks and dunks. Might as well bring back Brunell...he can do that too.[/quote]

Do you think he's at least earned a chance to compete for the job?

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[quote=Mattyk;652231]Do you think he's at least earned a chance to compete for the job?[/quote]

I think he has and I think he might even be the starter going into opening day. Depending on who the rookie is and how he looks, I would expect that by the end of the season JC wont be the starter because Shanny will quickly become frustrated with his inaccuracy.

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It's funny how Colt Brennan has become a complete afterthought. There were some on this board who saw him as the future. I still say that Jason should be #1 until someone outplays him in camp, assuming he doesn't sign elsewhere.

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[quote=SouperMeister;652613]It's funny how Colt Brennan has become a complete afterthought. There were some on this board who saw him as the future. I still say that Jason should be #1 until someone outplays him in camp, assuming he doesn't sign elsewhere.[/quote]

Yeah i dont understand the logic of completely ignoring Brennan.

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[quote=Zerohero;652628]Yeah i dont understand the logic of completely ignoring Brennan.[/quote]

Brennan could be cut, unless shanny thinks colt can succeed i think he is gone.

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[quote=RedskinMike;652637]Brennan could be cut, unless shanny thinks colt can succeed i think he is gone.[/quote]

I guess if there is a qb that Shanny is sold on and he has already dismissed Brennan. Just from the site it seems Brennan is already an afterthought.