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[quote=DBUCHANON101;654474]How bout keepin an eye on NE and A Thomas? he can play OLB opposite of RAK.[/quote]

I thought he was pretty much gone, no way the Dark Hooded One keeps him. I'm surprised he didn't cut Thomas after the snow incident.

On a related note, I wish Darth Hoody would have a "F you, I'll do what I want" moment and let Wilfork walk, so we can pick him up as our NT.

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OK so if the Skins go OT in the 1st, which ILB or NT would you want to see them land in the 2nd? or is there a FA in the mixlike Wilfork? I like McClain from Bama but he will be gone high 1st.
Definately need a NT if AH is to play DE. Mount Cody?

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As we survey the NFL draft landscape following an eventful college football season one of the biggest storylines is the overall depth of the defensive tackle class. The 2009 draft saw six defensive tackles taken in the first two rounds but this year there could be as many as eight, making defensive tackle perhaps the top position in the draft.

Nebraska's Ndamukong Suh and Oklahoma's Gerald McCoy are the top-tier players in the class, ranking Nos. 2 and 3 on our overall board, respectively. Suh's powerful upper body, athleticism and versatility to play anywhere on the line in a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme give him all the tools to succeed in the NFL, while McCoy's elite explosion and quickness make him a disruptive force on the interior. Both will be high-first round picks.



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Jared Odrick can bring down quarterbacks in a variety of ways.
The second tier is made up of three tackles who also grade out as first-round talents after film study: Tennessee's Dan Williams, Penn State's Jared Odrick and UCLA's Brian Price.

Williams is a big, two-gap nose tackle prospect who can take up space and reminds us a bit of Baltimore Ravens NT Haloti Ngata with his anchor and athleticism. Price is a one-gap penetrator who uses his hands well to control and shed blockers, while Odrick developed into a very good pass rusher this season and would be a nice fit as a 5-technique in a 3-4 scheme.

With the value the second tier of defensive tackles presents late in the first round don't be surprised to see teams with more pressing needs take a defensive tackle simply because the return on the investment would potentially be much greater than at other positions.

The Ravens, for example, need a big-play wide receiver and help in the secondary, but late in the first round those positions will be thin on impact players and someone like Williams would give them a dominant combination in the middle for years to come.

Teams like Cincinnati, San Diego, Arizona and Minnesota also fit that mold, and we could very well see teams with early-to-mid second-round picks and need at defensive tackle trading back into the late first round to get someone like Odrick or Price.

The third tier is made up of two interesting prospects, both of whom have first-round talent but will likely end up in the second round because of other factors.

Syracuse's Arthur Jones dealt with a nagging hamstring issue this year before suffering a season-ending MCL injury in October, but we have talked to scouts who rave about Jones's junior film, including one NFL scouting director who said Jones's performance in the 2008 win at Notre Dame is one of the most impressive individual efforts he has seen in recent years.

Jones has an elite punch to jolt blockers, is hard to move inside and moves well for a 300 pounder. The injuries will keep Jones out of the first round but he will offer great value early in the second as a one-gap nose tackle in a 4-3 scheme. .

Then there's massive Alabama NT Terrence Cody. At 360-plus pounds Cody has the potential to become an elite run stuffer at the next level and he is surprisingly nimble for his size.

He's no ballerina and his motor runs hot and cold because of his considerable girth, but big bodies like his don't come around often and if used properly Cody will be an effective space-eater in the NFL. He will also offer tremendous value in the second round.

Finally, Louisiana Tech's D'Anthony Smith currently grades out as a fringe second-rounder but could move solidly into the second with good performances in all-star games and workouts. Smith is another big, one-gap penetrator but his strength is rushing the passer. He is still learning to play the run but flashes the ability to be stout in the middle, so look for his name to enter the second-round discussion

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;654481]OK so if the Skins go OT in the 1st, which ILB or NT would you want to see them land in the 2nd? or is there a FA in the mixlike Wilfork? I like McClain from Bama but he will be gone high 1st.
Definately need a NT if AH is to play DE. Mount Cody?[/quote]

Mount Cody could definitely be there for us in the 2nd round, but then again, Miami and San Diego may/do need NT's as well.

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Mike Shanahan finally became the head coach (and executive vice president) of the Washington Redskins last Tuesday night, so let's continue to take a look at changes that might come to the organization. We had heard some rumors from several sources, and NFC East blogger Matt Mosley noted five specific things that Shanahan must address in the wake of his hire.

One decision that needs to be worked out before any offseason personnel moves can be made is the offensive strategy. Will Shanny stick with what worked for a while in Denver, a traditional "run to win" strategy as the Washington Post details, or will he join the rest of the league in realizing that a team needs to pass well in order to win?

Regardless, Clinton Portis might be a goner either way. Paul Tenorio of Redskins Insider pointed out that Shanahan didn't seem too high on Portis in his opening presser, and there appears to be some anti-Clinton chatter in the locker room.

No matter which offense Shanahan chooses, an upgrade to the offensive line is needed. Expect the 'Skins to address that issue in free agency and the draft.

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well I just watched NFLN, and Jason LaConfora said that he's talked to some redskin veterans, and they said that "Haynesworth was pissed off /cussing out coaches about his use in a 4-3, and now he's going to be real pissed if he's not going after the QB in a 3-4, as a NT"...this is going to get real screwed up real soon.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;654502]well I just watched NFLN, and Jason LaConfora said that he's talked to some redskin veterans, and they said that "Haynesworth was pissed off /cussing out coaches about his use in a 4-3, and now he's going to be real pissed if he's not going after the QB in a 3-4, as a NT"...this is going to get real screwed up real soon.[/quote]

And you believe JLC? The guy couldn't get the time of day from Redskins Park by the time he left the Post. He's like Florio Part II.

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I hate to say it because he is a fan fav but how bout trading Cooley for a 2nd or so and then the Skins can make some moves.
1. McClain imo future Ray Lewis type player
2. Best OT -deep in this draft-
2. Cody -best NT available, DT also deep-
its early, plenty of changes to come :)

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;654511]I hate to say it because he is a fan fav but how bout trading Cooley for a 2nd or so and then the Skins can make some moves.
1. McClain imo future Ray Lewis type player
2. Best OT -deep in this draft-
2. Cody -best NT available, DT also deep-
its early, plenty of changes to come :)[/quote]

You would trade Cooley for a 2nd rounder?

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Davis came on strong last yr, Cooley is very good but how many top TE's do you need? desperate times call for very desperate measures.Look at the record,We're there
What do we do with Jarmon now? thats a 3rd rounder gone. i dont see him fitting the 3-4.

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I could see Jarmon as an end in the 3-4. He'd need to bulk up a bit though. Jarmon on one end, AH on the other. and Casey Hampton at NT

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Hampton and AH would be awesome. LB's could roam and make plays. AH with RAK on the outside and A Thomas on the other edge. Fletcher and *McClain* in the middle. one of the best front 7's in the league. hey we can all dream.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;654513]Davis came on strong last yr, Cooley is very good but how many top TE's do you need? desperate times call for very desperate measures.Look at the record,We're there
What do we do with Jarmon now? thats a 3rd rounder gone. i dont see him fitting the 3-4.[/quote]

How many teams are desperate enough to give up a lot for Cooley (after an injury year).

I think having Casey Hampton would be great, unfortunately the Steelers will likely put the franchise tag on him. Although does anyone know how franchise tags work in an uncapped year?

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[quote=Ruhskins;654517]How many teams are desperate enough to give up a lot for Cooley (after an injury year)[/quote]

Im sure there are teams looking for offensive weapons who will have young QB's who will need a good pass catching TE to help them transition to the NFL. Look what Witten has done for Romo-homo- Gonzo for Ryan and Keller for Sanchez.
just sayin its an option. doubt it happens though.

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[quote=Ruhskins;654517]How many teams are desperate enough to give up a lot for Cooley (after an injury year).

I think having Casey Hampton would be great, unfortunately the Steelers will likely put the franchise tag on him. Although does anyone know how franchise tags work in an uncapped year?[/quote]

According to Hampton, the Steelers have told him they won't franchise him. Tag works the same but now in an uncapped year you can have on franchise tag and two transition tags. As opposed to just one franchise tag or one transition tag

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Steelers have the new guy to take Hamps spot. Hood is it?

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[quote=SmootSmack;654521]According to Hampton, the Steelers have told him they won't franchise him. Tag works the same but now in an uncapped year you can have on franchise tag and two transition tags. As opposed to just one franchise tag or one transition tag[/quote]

Ah, good to know. Well if he's available I hope the team takes a look at him....or Wilfork, if he becomes available (although I think Wilfork is looking for a payday).

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[quote=Ruhskins;654525]Ah, good to know. Well if he's available I hope the team takes a look at him....or Wilfork, if he becomes available [B](although I think Wilfork is looking for a payday).[/quote][/B]


lol then it looks like he's coming here. they all come to "The Danny" for the $$

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[quote=CultBrennan59;654507][url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d815b6886/Around-the-League]NFL Videos: Around the League[/url][/quote]

I saw that earlier and was just shaking my head. Typical JLC, speculation with NO basis of fact. So Haynesworth is going to have problems with coaches we haven't yet hired (DL coach) and a scheme we haven't yet implemented (3-4) at a position we haven't moved him to (NT). Yep, good reporting there..

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;654526][/B]


lol then it looks like he's coming here. they all come to "The Danny" for the $$[/quote]

Well me being the optimist I'm hoping that we don't do that anymore? Right? LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;654528]Well me being the optimist I'm hoping that we don't do that anymore? Right? LOL.[/quote]

he cant help himself. but in this situation we NEED a NT so as long as it wasnt just a crazy amount i wouldnt mind. no more 100 mill deals please.

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[quote=Ruhskins;654504]And you believe JLC? The guy couldn't get the time of day from Redskins Park by the time he left the Post. He's like Florio Part II.[/quote]
he didn't get the breaking stories anymore but to compare him to florio would be insulting

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[quote=tryfuhl;654530]he didn't get the breaking stories anymore but to compare him to florio would be insulting[/quote]

Yep. Florio would be insulted.

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The one guy on our team that is a pefect fit for the 3-4 is Rak. He's a perenial pro-bowl type player at 3-4OLB

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[quote=Dirtbag359;653886]Agreed, where are these linebackers going to come from. Fletcher is a beast as a 4-3 Mike. In the case that we did switch defenses [b]I would personally like to see a 46[/b]. A 3-4 requires a huge commitment, Green Bay was able to make that change quickly because they successfully brought in two highly talented rookies that were perfect fits as well as one of the best 3-4 coordinators in the league. We don't have the luxury to spend picks on defense and the free agent market is full of fruit thats close to it's due date.

I wouldn't be opposed to a 3-4 hybrid where we gradually transitioned but I don't want to see a full commitment until we get the offense sorted out.[/quote]

That's why I said "other".

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[quote=FRPLG;654602]The one guy on our team that is a pefect fit for the 3-4 is Rak. He's a perenial pro-bowl type player at 3-4OLB[/quote]

I think I agree with this completely.

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I think we'll stick with a base 4-3 but we'll mix in some 3-4 looks.

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[quote=Mattyk;654632]I think we'll stick with a base 4-3 but we'll mix in some 3-4 looks.[/quote]

If that is true, I am all for it.

If we switch to a 3-4 whole hog, then I am worried.

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[quote=Lotus;654635]If that is true, I am all for it.

If we switch to a 3-4 whole hog, then I am worried.[/quote]

I co-sign this

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People say we dont have the personell for a 3-4....Dont forget we have Montgomery at 330 lbs that can play NT with Griffin & Haynesworth backing him up...

DE Jarmon, Golston, Alexander, Haynesworth...all 280 lbs(+)
ILB Fletcher, Henson, McIntosh,Blades,
OLB Orakpo, Wilson, Carter

All we need to add is an additional 3-4 OLB, through the draft

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;654529]he cant help himself. but in this situation we NEED a NT so as long as it wasnt just a crazy amount i wouldnt mind. no more 100 mill deals please.[/quote]

Terrance Cody will be there in the second round....just saying.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;654671]Terrance Cody will be there in the second round....just saying.[/quote]

I doubt he'll last until the 36th pick. So many teams run the 3-4 and he's the perfect NT. He'll get scooped up somewhere in the late teens or early twenties.

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Titans defensive end [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/kylevandenbosch/profile?id=VAN378810"]Kyle Vanden Bosch[/URL], a quality player in a 4-3 defense, points out the 3-4's effectiveness: "We have used 3-4 front principles where I'm outside the offensive tackle as well as defensive tackle [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/alberthaynesworth/profile?id=HAY746506"]Albert Haynesworth[/URL], and it does cause hesitation from the blockers." Texans offensive tackle [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/ericwinston/profile?id=WIN622404"]Eric Winston[/URL] backs Vanden Bosch, saying, "The Titans gave us some trouble when they used that 3-4 look to my side with Haynesworth on me and [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jevonkearse/profile?id=KEA517299"]Jevon Kearse[/URL] outside of me."

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80d6974b&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Effectiveness of 3-4 vs. 4-3 is found in the numbers[/url]

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;654636]I co-sign this[/quote]

Great minds think alike. :)

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For those of you who want Terrance Cody now...
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcdJMpgyEWk]YouTube - 2009 Terrence Cody highlight.mp4[/url]

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In the poll two people have voted so far for "other." What is the other? An Okie 5-2? A wide tackle 6? A 46? Just curious.

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I've been giving this a lot of thought. Although we don't have the players for a 3-4 IMO I think we should do it. Why? Well we don't have a very good 4-3 defense either. If you're going to do it, then do it now. I know a lot of people say that out defense is good but they haven't played good. They're not the Ravens of old. If we do go to a 3-4 I say draft MT Cody. I'm confident that Shanny-Allen will do what it takes to win in the next few years. For now I'm just going to write off next season as a building year. Honestly how many of these guys are worth it?

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[quote=Lotus;654922]In the poll two people have voted so far for "other." What is the other? An Okie 5-2? A wide tackle 6? A 46? Just curious.[/quote]

I like the formation on NCAA the 4-2-5

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[quote=ChickenMonkey;654653]People say we dont have the personell for a 3-4....Dont forget we have Montgomery at 330 lbs that can play NT with Griffin & Haynesworth backing him up...

DE Jarmon, Golston, Alexander, Haynesworth...all 280 lbs(+)
ILB Fletcher, Henson, McIntosh,Blades,
OLB Orakpo, Wilson, Carter

All we need to add is an additional 3-4 OLB, through the draft[/quote]

yeah, I thought about it more & you're right, there wouldn't be a wholesale personel change needed. We would need LBs as you point out, but that's a need the team went into the last draft with, and still remains today even if we stay in a 4-3. Fletch has 1 year left IMO & the strong side at least needs depth in order to give Rak more DE snaps.

I still hope that we don't go for a 3-4 base, rather Haslett mixes in some 3-4.