Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=skinsfan69;665395]very very sad. i mean do some of these guys have a freakin brain? it amazes me how something like this could happen.[/quote]

A vasectomy isn't a bad idea unless they like dumping they're game checks to these gold diggers. They could also take a page out of Kobe's playbook and stick it in the butt.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

oh my haha

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

Carlos is a good starting CB in this league, and the best one on our team. The drops don't bother me. Sure, I wish he caught them. But at least he's in position for a pick rather than getting constantly burned. I think Blache caused more problems than he solved with his stubborn "My way or the highway" approach. It's necessary for a coach, in today's NFL, to be dynamic and work to the strengths of their players. Not try to slam a square player into a round hole.

Carlos will get beat sometimes, but find me a CB that doesn't. There won't be better corners on the street. Keep him for a while and spend the money on other positions where we don't have both talent and youth.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

^^ i think your comment about corners getting burnt sometimes is what carlos was referring to when he said they kept going man and not changing. you stick a corner out there to play man every single snap and he is going to get burnt. moreso than if you switch it up somewhat.

can a corner be considered "burnt" on a play if he is in zone? i'm guessing so but it probably is not so clear cut as maning up and the reciever catching the ball on you.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

You have to tender him! Only get rid of Los if another team offers us a substantial offer in a trade.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Mattyk;665217]I wouldn't write off either one of these guys yet. Tryon might be a decent NB and it's too early to tell anything on Barnes just yet.[/quote]

I agree it is way to early to write them off, especially for Barnes. However it is fair to say that they both have been disappointments up to now. We really need these two guys to have break out years next season. That would be huge.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=DIE-NASTY;665408]A vasectomy isn't a bad idea unless they like dumping they're game checks to these gold diggers. [B]They could also take a page out of Kobe's playbook and stick it in the butt.[/B][/quote]
:lol: LOL!!!!! That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Man, I missed the warpath the last few days.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=over the mountain;665418]^^ i think your comment about corners getting burnt sometimes is what carlos was referring to when he said they kept going man and not changing. you stick a corner out there to play man every single snap and he is going to get burnt. moreso than if you switch it up somewhat.

can a corner be considered "burnt" on a play if he is in zone? i'm guessing so but it probably is not so clear cut as maning up and the reciever catching the ball on you.[/quote]
well I don't know if it went to cb's as well but remember the report about laron going from watching the qb and then being told to watch the route?

that's probably why he gets killed on the double moves

but for carlos it's probably more just not having a good eye for the ball, even when he's tight on a guy lately he doesn't have great anticipation for the ball or doesn't make a good play on it

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Daseal;665414]Carlos is a good starting CB in this league, and the best one on our team. The drops don't bother me. Sure, I wish he caught them. But at least he's in position for a pick rather than getting constantly burned. I think Blache caused more problems than he solved with his stubborn "My way or the highway" approach. It's necessary for a coach, in today's NFL, to be dynamic and work to the strengths of their players. Not try to slam a square player into a round hole.

Carlos will get beat sometimes, but find me a CB that doesn't. There won't be better corners on the street. Keep him for a while and spend the money on other positions where we don't have both talent and youth.[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts..

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Daseal;665414]Carlos is a good starting CB in this league, and the best one on our team. [B][I]The drops don't bother me.[/I][/B] Sure, I wish he caught them. But at least he's in position for a pick rather than getting constantly burned. I think Blache caused more problems than he solved with his stubborn "My way or the highway" approach. It's necessary for a coach, in today's NFL, to be dynamic and work to the strengths of their players. Not try to slam a square player into a round hole.

Carlos will get beat sometimes, but find me a CB that doesn't. There won't be better corners on the street. Keep him for a while and spend the money on other positions where we don't have both talent and youth.[/quote]

I don't get that.. That's like saying that incompletions for a QB or negative yardage runs for a RB or a DT that doesn't tackle people who run to his left 'don't bother me'. That's a HUGE part of his job!! Getting turnovers is a major factor in wins and losses. Just being in position isn't good enough, if you are there you have to make the play.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Paintrain;665477]I don't get that.. That's like saying that incompletions for a QB or negative yardage runs for a RB or a DT that doesn't tackle people who run to his left 'don't bother me'. That's a HUGE part of his job!! Getting turnovers is a major factor in wins and losses. Just being in position isn't good enough, if you are there you have to make the play.[/quote]

The point is there aren't much of opportunities for us to replace Rogers if we decide to let him go.. Rogers proved he can shut down #1 receivers (most of times - the only time I remember he couldn't was the Broncos game against Marshall).. If there's opportunity of having a corner that can cover excellent and makes play that is presented to us then go for it.. But the only opportunity is Dunta Robinson, for some reason, I just don't see us going after him..

The main point of cornerback is not to let receivers catch balls and score touchdowns..

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Defensewins;665431]I agree it is way to early to write them off, especially for Barnes. However it is fair to say that they both have been disappointments up to now. We really need these two guys to have break out years next season. That would be huge.[/quote]

I wouldn't say they're disappointments. I mean Tryon was drafted in what the 5th round? I don't think there has ever been an expectation of him being anymore than a nickelback. As for Barnes, this is a critical year for him I would agree.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

Calling Barnes a disappointment is a bit premature. I am not even sure this year is "critical". Sure, he should show progress, but come on - he was an f'ing rookie last year. Can we take some time to develop players before we toss them to the curb?

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

Yeah I didn't mean critical as in he better make a pro bowl or hit the streets. Just that I seem him playing a very important role this year

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=GridIron26;665480]The point is there aren't much of opportunities for us to replace Rogers if we decide to let him go.. Rogers proved he can shut down #1 receivers (most of times - the only time I remember he couldn't was the Broncos game against Marshall).. If there's opportunity of having a corner that can cover excellent and makes play that is presented to us then go for it.. But the only opportunity is Dunta Robinson, for some reason, I just don't see us going after him..

[I][B]The main point of cornerback is not to let receivers catch balls and score touchdowns..[/B][/I][/quote]
We will agree to disagree on Rogers and I am admittedly biased because I don't really care for him but he's done nothing that has deemed himself, in my eyes, as irreplaceable with pretty much any other mid level starting CB. As I stated earlier, of the 64 starting CB in the league I don't think he's in the top 30 or 40.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

I don't really care for him as a person and there are more complete CBs in the league, but unless we can do better then we should keep him in the short term.

Given that our draft picks need to address the offensive line direly, I say stick with Rogers and try to upgrade him sometime down the line when we have the luxury to do so.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

It's annoying that Carlos has never taken responsibility for any failure ever in his entire career, has always found someone to defect the blame to...nevertheless, he's not enough of a headache to warrant release, and even appears somewhat willing to buy into the new system. Who knows, this could be a breakout year for him.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=SmootSmack;665483]I wouldn't say they're disappointments. I mean Tryon was drafted in what the 5th round? I don't think there has ever been an expectation of him being anymore than a nickelback. As for Barnes, this is a critical year for him I would agree.[/quote]
4th I think

I love how we have "busts" that were drafted late

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Paintrain;665518]We will agree to disagree on Rogers and I am admittedly biased because I don't really care for him but he's done nothing that has deemed himself, in my eyes, as irreplaceable with pretty much any other mid level starting CB. As I stated earlier, of the 64 starting CB in the league I don't think he's in the top 30 or 40.[/quote]

if he's starting 64 and not in the top 40 then I'd love to hear your analysis on the ones in the bottom 24

not that you could name them

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=djnemo65;665527]It's annoying that Carlos has never taken responsibility for any failure ever in his entire career, has always found someone to defect the blame to...nevertheless, he's not enough of a headache to warrant release, and even appears somewhat willing to buy into the new system. Who knows, this could be a breakout year for him.[/quote]
what do you want?

these are high level athletes that want to get paid and want to play

who in the hell in their right mind is going to call themselves mediocre or replaceable?

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;665493]Calling Barnes a disappointment is a bit premature. I am not even sure this year is "critical". Sure, he should show progress, but come on - he was an f'ing rookie last year. Can we take some time to develop players before we toss them to the curb?[/quote]


I agree. We were spoiled with Champ and Smoot, but both guys were first rounders. Just wish Rogers could make some game changing picks more often. Wish Smooty could get back into his old form too. I yearn for the "good ole days" when we had Green, Dishman, Richards, and Jesse Campbell. Yeah the safeties weren't the best, but they could pick some off occasionally.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;665580]I agree. We were spoiled with Champ and [B]Smoot[/B], but both guys were first rounders. Just wish Rogers could make some game changing picks more often. Wish Smooty could get back into his old form too. I yearn for the "good ole days" when we had Green, Dishman, Richards, and Jesse Campbell. Yeah the safeties weren't the best, but they could pick some off occasionally.[/quote]

Actually Smoot was a second rounder that was playing like a first rounder.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;665582]Actually Smoot was a second rounder that was playing like a first rounder.[/quote]

Huh I thought Smoot was a late 1st rounder...like 27th overall or something

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=The Goat;665588]Huh I thought Smoot was a late 1st rounder...like 27th overall or something[/quote]

Nah, 45th overall. Come on, member? You member. But seriously he was part of Marty's draft class with Rod 50/50 going in the first. Sage Rosenfels, and Darnarian McCants were also in that class. To add insult to injury in the firing of good old Marty, Antonio Pierce was brought in that year as an undrafted free agent. Guy clearly knew what he was doing talent wise.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;665591]Nah, 45th overall. Come on, member? You member. But seriously he was part of Marty's draft class with Rod 50/50 going in the first. Sage Rosenfels, and Darnarian McCants were also in that class. To add insult to injury in the firing of good old Marty, Antonio Pierce was brought in that year as an undrafted free agent. Guy clearly knew what he was doing talent wise.[/quote]

Good history lesson sir...

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=johno;665201]we have obvious and more pressing needs at other positions. los has not played great, just doing his job the best he can. tender him for now.

with a new staff (haslett specifically) talking about making changes that should lead to more turnovers, maybe los makes an impact. i am not holding my breath, but hopeful.[/quote]

Yeah, but turnovers usually involves actually catching the ball if you're a DB...

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=tryfuhl;665576]if he's starting 64 and not in the top 40 then I'd love to hear your analysis on the ones in the bottom 24

not that you could name them[/quote]

You're right, I couldn't name them I'm sure but my analysis is they are serviceable CB but lack a certain characteristic (hands, elite speed, loose hips) of elite-outstanding CB, teams will tend to throw to their side more than the other and they are beaten for TD more frequently than their opposite CB. I think we can all agree that Rogers fits comfortably into that criteria.

Look, it's not an insult to call someone a bonafide starter in the NFL, it's just that I consider Rogers on the middle-lower end of starting CB in the league.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=freddyg12;665181]He's a solid CB, but there's always been something going on between he & the staff. We saw this in 06 & in the past 2 years especially. Will a coaching change truly make a difference? I don't know. For now I'll agree w/Matty that he's certainly worth tendering.[/quote]

I totally agree. There was something he had problems with under G.Williams, now its the staff under Zorn. Some people get all bent out of shape about what they are asked to do and whether they feel they should do it or not. Others are Roll players. We need Roll players. People who will do their job and not complain. I know for the most part Rogers has been a Roll player and perhaps I'm completely wrong about Rogers and when he would get beat but I felt he was a better Man-to-Man cover corner vs. a Zone cover corner. I seemed to think he got beat a lot when he was in a zone scheme. Like he was lost as to who to cover and for how long. Yet he writes he didn't do well in a man-to-man scheme?

He's a good corner. Not sure how many people we can Tendure but I'm in this crowd. I think he values himself more then what he's actually worth though.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;665582]Actually Smoot was a second rounder that was playing like a first rounder.[/quote]

Plus I think he got majorly coached up by Green. If I recall Smoot had a rough first year then worked all summer with Green and came out gang busters after that.

We should have asked Green if he wanted to be a coach for the Skins.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=SBXVII;665689]Plus I think he got majorly coached up by Green. If I recall Smoot had a rough first year then worked all summer with Green and came out gang busters after that.

We should have asked Green if he wanted to be a coach for the Skins.[/quote]

I think that we tried but then Green sent the Skins a bill every time that he had to sign a paper ;)

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=SBXVII;665689]Plus I think he got majorly coached up by Green. If I recall Smoot had a rough first year then worked all summer with Green and came out gang busters after that.

We should have asked Green if he wanted to be a coach for the Skins.[/quote]

I don't think Smoot had a rough first year. Maybe in the first part when they went 0-5, but I think by the end of the year he was considered one of the bright spots

I don't have time to watch this as I have a class coming up but if anyone wants to tell me what the rookie verdict on Smoot was then I'd appreciate it.
[url=http://www.hulu.com/watch/124103/team-highlights-2002-washington-redskins?team=washington-redskins#x-4,v,1,0]Hulu - Team Highlights: 2002 Washington Redskins - Watch the full episode now.[/url]

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;665389]Can't be worse then Cro.
[URL="http://larrybrownsports.com/football/antonio-cromartie-has-7-kids-father-children/8267"]Antonio Cromartie Has 7 Kids in 5 Different States and it’s a Distraction | Larry Brown Sports[/URL][/quote]

Must be like Dennis Rodman and his tattoos...gets one in every city he visits throughout his career.

Soon he'll catch up to Travis Henry's 11 kids to 10 moms (one set of twins threw off the ratio).

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Paintrain;665655]You're right, I couldn't name them I'm sure but my analysis is they are serviceable CB but lack a certain characteristic (hands, elite speed, loose hips) of elite-outstanding CB, teams will tend to throw to their side more than the other and they are beaten for TD more frequently than their opposite CB. I think we can all agree that Rogers fits comfortably into that criteria.

Look, it's not an insult to call someone a bonafide starter in the NFL, it's just that I consider Rogers on the middle-lower end of starting CB in the league.[/quote]
I'd put him in the top 15-20 CBs probably, he does definitely have plenty of room to improve. Maybe one of the unofficial stats guys can help us out with some numbers.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=tryfuhl;665829]I'd put him in the top 15-20 CBs probably, he does definitely have plenty of room to improve. Maybe one of the unofficial stats guys can help us out with some numbers.[/quote]

That's really high praise for someone that's been benched at some point 2 of the last 3 seasons and has 6 INT in 5 years.

Whose class would you put him in? The Revis-Woodson class? The Samuel-Winfield class? Who would you consider his peers in the 15-20 range?

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=Paintrain;665830]That's really high praise for someone that's been benched at some point 2 of the last 3 seasons and has 6 INT in 5 years.

Whose class would you put him in? The Revis-Woodson class? The Samuel-Winfield class? Who would you consider his peers in the 15-20 range?[/quote]
more like the cromartie-robinson class, which I guess could take him out of the 15-20 range

last year singled out I probably wouldn't put him in top 20, but still starting quality.. before that maybe in the al harris, sheldon brown type range

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

I like Rogers when he is allowed to play to his strengths . Rogers was taken to be like a Nate Clements type CB and if anything Rogers is more physical than Clements .

Saying Rogers has always had an issue with every coaching staff no matter who he has worked with is a little disingenuous because it is the same defensive coaching staff under Gibbs and under Zorn and I have to say there seemed to be an awful lot of unhappy campers on the D last year, there was a lack of cohesiveness and a lack of leadership ... I guess that's what happens when Blanche quits on you in week four ..

We should tender him and look to use him in a way that builds to his strengths . To me the lack of catches and ints is not as important for me as the number of catches he prevents . It is not as sexy a statistic but I would love to find somewhere which shows the number of 5+ catch / 100yard games a reciever had ....

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;665174]These comments where posted via twitter by 106.7 dafan. Apparently they had a interview with Rogers, who now wants to be on the team. He was upset with the coaching staff and now that they are gone he wants to stay a skin...

1067thefandc Spoke to #Redskins CB C.Rogers via phone:“I definitely want to be here, especially after the coaching change — but it is in their hands” -CR

1067thefandc #Redskins RFA CB C.Rogers: “We never changed. I got beat several times. I'm sorry. That’s what happens when you play man & don’t change"-CR

1067thefandc #Redskins CB C.Rogers: "I am a starter in the league, and a lot of teams wanted to try to trade for me, and they would not let me go.” -CR

1067thefandc #Redskins CB C.Rogers on Landry: “Laron is a good player. They just tell him to do too many different things. So he gets confused a lot."-CR


Should we keep him? what do you think, discuss...[/quote]

The full interview

[url=http://1067thefandc.radio.com/2010/02/25/redskins-rogers-i-want-to-be-here/]Redskins’ Rogers: “I want to be here” « 106.7 The Fan – DC Sportsradio[/url]

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

“We were 6-2 in our first 8 games, and it was Carlos this and Carlos that. I was playing really good.” Rogers was referring to the first 8 games of the 2008 season under ex-head coach Jim Zorn and with Blache running the defense.

“Then in the 2nd Half – we bring in D-Hall and (Shawn) Springs gets healthy — and me and Smootie (Fred Smoot) get pushed back. We were carrying the team!”

Rogers described how they gave up on Smoot in the Giants game at home on a sloppy day, and even though he was matching up and shutting down top receivers, eventually the decision was made to remove Rogers from the starting lineup.

“They didn’t even tell me,” Rogers said. “Jerry (Gray) had told me they were thinking about a change, but I was practicing with the 1’s, I warmed up with the 1’s that day (in Cincinnati) and then they told me in the tunnel.”

Rogers said he had an ally in Gray, who always fought for his guys. “Jerry said he went to Coach Zorn and Blache, and told them they were making dumb moves.” Gray is now in Seattle, Springs spent last year in New England and Blache is retired but to close the book on Zorn’s first year, Rogers simply said “Everyone knew Springs was Blache’s boy.”

heard stuff like that happened all too often

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

^ Interesting stuff Tryfuhl. The remark about Springs being Blache's boy rings true to the impression I have of him. Personally I'm glad Blache is gone. He was stuck in his system and it's time for change. I'd like someone who adjusts the system to the talent on the team and starts guys on merit, not favoritism.

Re: Interesting Comments from Carlos Rogers
 

I would be totally pissed off at coaches if they did to me, just like what the coaches did to Rogers.. It does influence your mental set; once you know that your coaches don't have faith in you, you lose the confidences..

I hope Rogers will show his abilities all year long for next season - enough to warrant an extension contract.. I'm also glad to know that Rogers still knows that he DEFINITELY needs to continue working on catching balls..

Edit: I second what 53fan said..