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So would you all be surprised if we signed Dunta, Dansby, and somehow got Peppers?

Would this clear the way for a guy like Carter to be expendable? Is Carter a trade option? Also I don't know how I would feel if we had to small cornerbacks as #1 and #2.

Would the Redskins be looked at as this is DS's moves or the new regime?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;665796]I am glad you said that. All these crazy trade scenarios that make no sense. Like the Panthers trying to trade Peppers for 2 firsts. If he is worth two first round picks then he is worth signing for the amount he was asking YOUR TEAM for. Point blank.[/quote]

The 20 mil is the amount they'd have to pay for one year if they Franchise him again. Peppers has said many times that he wants out of Charlotte. The Panthers just didn't want to let their best player go, but everyone has a price. Losing their best player they felt was worth 2 first round picks.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;666620]So would you all be surprised if we signed Dunta, Dansby, and somehow got Peppers?

Would this clear the way for a guy like Carter to be expendable? Is Carter a trade option? Also I don't know how I would feel if we had to small cornerbacks as #1 and #2.

Would the Redskins be looked at as this is DS's moves or the new regime?[/quote]
Signing Peppers and Dansby and trading AC is my ideal world dream (along with Cody dropping to us in the second round). Peppers wants to play OLB in a 3-4. Could you imagine a better LB corp than Dansby, Rak, Fletcher and Peppers? AH and Jarmon on the ends and Cody plugging the middle? Landry back at SS with Horton and Smoot playing FS. Coupled with Haslett's promise to be more aggressive and our defense might outscore our offense.

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rypper11-

The defense outscoring the offense of the last few years wouldn't be that hard!

That linebacking core sounds like as probowl roster lbs.... If haslett couldn't get a performance out of that front seven he needs to stop coaching football or go back to highschool. HA!

The problem I see with our D though is in the back end. We [B]need[/B] to shore up the FS spot, The SS spot is secure as we are 3 deep, and I don't really know what we have at CB and how the current players will respond to our new defensive scheme. I like hall and Rodgers but after that we are so light.

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I have a feeling after March 5th the talent pool in FA will go up as teams look to get rid of big money contracts. The players may not be Probowlers but I believe there will be some talent there. Hopefully a few more than servicable Olinemen will be out there.

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I thought there were some rules to controll teams from buying up all the players in a uncapped market. Also if you sign all those guys their first year salary would have to be huge because it would be hell when the cap comes back. I also got the feeling Peppers want AH money don't know if we could afford that

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;665876]I don't know that this is true or not, but it makes sense in my mind. If Danny opens the checkbook wide as DN suggests, his expectations may go to high and thus his patience may shrink.

I think the best thing BA/MS can do is approach this offseason with an aggressive, but not blank check, mentality. Get players who are team oriented, doesn't have to be the biggest name (but can be) and demonstrate a long term commitment to growing players here, not scooping off the marquise names.[/quote]

You make an excellent argument.

I would add that when there is a new CBA there likely will be some salary maximum mechanism. There will be a salary cap or some other regime to keep salaries in check. If we go wild in an uncapped year, the chickens will come home to roost when the new CBA kicks in, and we may have to gut our team for salary reasons AGAIN.

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im just glad this season is uncapped. could you imagine if we had to account for haynesworth's 22 mil plus this year and CP's 12 mil plus in a capped 2010?

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[quote=Lotus;666645]You make an excellent argument.

I would add that when there is a new CBA there likely will be some salary maximum mechanism. There will be a salary cap or some other regime to keep salaries in check. If we go wild in an uncapped year, the chickens will come home to roost when the new CBA kicks in, and we may have to gut our team for salary reasons AGAIN.[/quote]

I'm not sure but from what I've read, the way teams are able to restructure contracts this wouldn't be a significant problem. Can't remember where I read it. Might have been MAD Magazine. :)

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[quote=53Fan;666670]I'm not sure but from what I've read, the way teams are able to restructure contracts this wouldn't be a significant problem. Can't remember where I read it. Might have been MAD Magazine. :)[/quote]

Well you have the 30% rule currently, and one article, possibly that same MAD magazine, speculated that IF a new CBA included a salary cap, there would be a pro-rated scale to "punish" those teams that over-indulged this year.

But I think that same magazine had a lockout followed by the end of the world in 2012, so this could conceivably be the last season of NFL caliber professional football.

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Robinson Gamecocks Gamecocks Gamecocks!!!! The most talented football players are Gamecocks.

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Robinson should be considered simply because we don't really have a high-tier corner. Hall could be a shutdown corner, but his personal ideal of playing is to be an interception machine. Rogers is barely solid, but his bad hands will cost the teams potential wins in close games.

Sproles is going to be overpaid no matter what, so it's better to stick with Alridge or look to the draft for a return specialist.

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Well according to Schefter the Chargers are not even putting a tender on Sproles. I would certainly like the Skins to at least talk with the agent.

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[quote=over the mountain;666667]im just glad this season is uncapped. could you imagine if we had to account for haynesworth's 22 mil plus this year and CP's 12 mil plus in a capped 2010?[/quote]

i thought this is why we gave AH so much money because it was almost certain that it would be an uncapped year and there would be no penalty so to speak.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;666624]rypper11-

The defense outscoring the offense of the last few years wouldn't be that hard!

That linebacking core sounds like as probowl roster lbs.... If haslett couldn't get a performance out of that front seven he needs to stop coaching football or go back to highschool. HA!

The problem I see with our D though is in the back end. We [B]need[/B] to shore up the FS spot, The SS spot is secure as we are 3 deep, and I don't really know what we have at CB and how the current players will respond to our new defensive scheme. I like hall and Rodgers but after that we are so light.[/quote]

I think in this scenario Horton or Smoot would be good at FS. Both played there some last year and with the amount of pressure the front 7 would generate a serviceable FS could post 7 ints.

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[quote=rypper11;666623] Horton and Smoot playing FS. Coupled with Haslett's promise to be more aggressive and our defense might outscore our offense.[/quote]
Horton at FS?

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I would welcome Dunta but would hope we shy away from the Sproles sweepstakes. I would prefer a more complete back to groom behind Portis.

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[quote=Son Of Man;667013]I would welcome Dunta but would hope we shy away from the Sproles sweepstakes. I would prefer a more complete back to groom behind Portis.[/quote]

I would prefer a more complete back to play ahead of Portis. :)

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The Chargers apparently want to let Sproles go out there and find out what he's really worth and then they'll likely look to keep him long term. Unless some other team blows him away with an offer

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Smoot,
It seems, to me, like that is a more common approach this year than the past few. Any idea if it's due to the teams' uncertainty over the CBA, or are players agent's trying to get them to the uncapped free agent market?

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I think in the case of Sproles, he's been demanding big money and the Chargers (namely AJ Smith) are trying to prove to him that he's not worth that much

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[quote=SmootSmack;667076]I think in the case of Sproles, he's been demanding big money and the Chargers (namely AJ Smith) are trying to prove to him that he's not worth that much[/quote]

That makes sense. I also saw an interesting take on SD not tendering Sproles, that had to do with the Colts. If they tender him, than any team can match and sign, BUT if he is untendered than the final 8 teams can't sign him unless they lose an equivalent. Thus Indy couldn't sign Sproles, unless they lost either Brackett or their other UFA at about the equivalent contract.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667067]The Chargers apparently want to let Sproles go out there and find out what he's really worth and then they'll likely look to keep him long term. Unless some other team blows him away with an offer[/quote]It's what I would do in the same situation, but do you think there's a chance that Sproles takes a very similar offer from a different team out of spite?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;667083]That makes sense. I also saw an interesting take on SD not tendering Sproles, that had to do with the Colts. If they tender him, than any team can match and sign, BUT if he is untendered than the final 8 teams can't sign him unless they lose an equivalent. Thus Indy couldn't sign Sproles, unless they lost either Brackett or their other UFA at about the equivalent contract.[/quote]
Nice, so they had an eye on him huh?

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I really think we should cut Rock and Randel El and just go ahead and sign sproles because thats one player that can do 2 of there jobs (punt returns[el] and kick returns [rock]) as well as 3rd down running back.

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[quote=tryfuhl;667404]Nice, so they had an eye on him huh?[/quote]
What I read was more from the SD side that they were worried about it, not so much anything saying Indy would.

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How is Rotoworld in terms of reporting on rumors? They have us linked ot Darren Sproles.
And Over there on Extreme Skins they pretty much have us linked to everyone. LOL

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3221]Darren Sproles[/url]

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Sproles = Morton 2.0

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[quote=diehardskin2982;667803]Sproles = Morton 2.0[/quote]

good for you. i was just saying that to a buddy of mine. Morton was a beast returner/back out of the backfield which is what L.wash is. Nah to a L.Wash Signing. keep the pick and sign someone younger and healthier.

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id like Sproles.. and i still want a rookie to contend as well.

But Portis, Sproles, and a Rookie of his choice would give Shanahan alot to work with.

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it seems this is going to be 2000 all over. Interest in Sproles, Robinson, Peppers, Dansby, Clifton...I mean seriously. Its just ridiculous. I dont know where the talk is coming from, but George Allen never worked this way in previous destinations. He built some solid teams in Oakland and Tampa with the draft by adding a FEW veteran FA. This just had Danny's little paw prints all over it.

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[quote=#56fanatic;667832]it seems this is going to be 2000 all over. Interest in Sproles, Robinson, Peppers, Dansby, Clifton...I mean seriously. Its just ridiculous. I dont know where the talk is coming from, but George Allen never worked this way in previous destinations. He built some solid teams in Oakland and Tampa with the draft by adding a FEW veteran FA. This just had Danny's little paw prints all over it.[/quote]

Until it happens it has Mike Florio's paw prints all over it. It's a common practice in the agent & NFL media circles to associate the Redskins with big name high priced players.

Regardless, Sproles, Robinson & Dansby is far from a repeat of 2000 where we signed players at the end of their careers.

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[quote=#56fanatic;667832]it seems this is going to be 2000 all over. Interest in Sproles, Robinson, Peppers, Dansby, Clifton...I mean seriously. Its just ridiculous. [B]I dont know where the talk is coming from[/B], but George Allen never worked this way in previous destinations. He built some solid teams in Oakland and Tampa with the draft by adding a FEW veteran FA. This just had Danny's little paw prints all over it.[/quote]

It's certainly not coming directly from the team, that's all I know. I wouldn't get too excited over fan driven rumors and speculation.

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[quote=#56fanatic;667832]it seems this is going to be 2000 all over. Interest in Sproles, Robinson, Peppers, Dansby, Clifton...I mean seriously. Its just ridiculous. I dont know where the talk is coming from, but George Allen never worked this way in previous destinations. He built some solid teams in Oakland and Tampa with the draft by adding a FEW veteran FA. This just had Danny's little paw prints all over it.[/quote]

So is it your contention that no big name FA's should be considered, or else DS has his hands in it? That a good FO would purposely ignore the highest rated FA's because 10 year ago a young hyper owner made bad decisions? That in an uncapped year, where many needs can be filled without forcing other areas to be left untouched, a responsible FO with a large checkbook should withdraw its name from contention for players who are definite, or at least probable, upgrades to the overall team.

Signing one, two or even many of these names would not mean that the OL was not being addressed as it has in the salary cap era. Indeed, you can make a case that by filling these needs with upgraded FA talent, you open the draft to filling more of the most needed areas (OL/QB) with top young talent.

Of course we may not sign anyone, wouldn't that be a hoot.

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[quote=#56fanatic;667832]it seems this is going to be 2000 all over. Interest in Sproles, Robinson, Peppers, Dansby, Clifton...I mean seriously. Its just ridiculous. I dont know where the talk is coming from, but [B]George Allen[/B] never worked this way in previous destinations. He built some solid teams in Oakland and Tampa with the draft by adding a FEW veteran FA. This just had Danny's little paw prints all over it.[/quote]

What does George Allen have to do with the current team?

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What's really amazing is how George Allen was able to do all this for the Raiders and Bucs from his grave...or while he was governing Virginia

You forgot about the Redskins pursuit of Brandon Marshall as well

The Redskins will be listed among suitors for just about everyone, whether it's true or not. There's no need to get carried away over rumors

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[quote=#56fanatic;667832]it seems this is going to be 2000 all over. Interest in Sproles, Robinson, Peppers, Dansby, Clifton...I mean seriously. Its just ridiculous. I dont know where the talk is coming from, but George Allen never worked this way in previous destinations. He built some solid teams in Oakland and Tampa with the draft by adding a FEW veteran FA. This just had Danny's little paw prints all over it.[/quote]


The major difference between this year and 2000 is we were terrible last year and we have so many holes to fill. We need guys. Most of the players we are being connected to are at least young. Not the over the hill gang.

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[quote=Paintrain;667833]Until it happens it has Mike Florio's paw prints all over it. It's a common practice in the agent & NFL media circles to associate the Redskins with big name high priced players.

Regardless, Sproles, Robinson & Dansby is far from a repeat of 2000 where we signed players at the end of their careers.[/quote]

I've been thinking about this as well. We're not talking about future HOFers with 2 years left; the FA class just isn't that hot, so the biggest names aren't the BIGGEST names. This wouldn't be Sanders, Smith, Carrier, etc all over again.

Bruce Allen said that we intend to bring in competition with the best players, so it seems as if we will be looking at some of the key players in FA, which really isn't an issue in my opinion at this point. If we start signing people that don't make sense for what we're trying to do then I'll complain. If we evaluate players that's more than fair.

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No to Darren Sproles. We already have Anthony Alridge on our roster. i wouldnt call Alridge a Sproles clone cuz Alridge isnt a very good returner but he can be a productive change of pace back. A very cheap version of of Sproles would be a Trindon Holliday. he was originally listed as a 6th-7th round prospect but id imagine he's moved up, but he plays Kick Returner, Punt Returner, RB, AND WR. Some coahes had him do alot of ball skill drills while at the combine and he did well.

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[quote=PHazard;668137]No to Darren Sproles. We already have Anthony Alridge on our roster.[/quote]

sproles has proven that he can play in the nfl. aldridge is a fumble machine. until he can be trusted to hold onto the ball, i would rather have sproles.