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[quote=Ruhskins;668362]The Falcons also picked up Sam Baker later in the first round during that draft, he's now their starting Left Tackle with the pick that we traded to get Kelly, Thomas, and Davis.[/quote]

Ah yes but he only started 5 games in 2008. It wasn't until this year that he became a starter. And whos to say that we couldn't get a player of Bakers caliber with our 2nd round pick? This is a very deep tackle class. Heck whats stopping us from trading back into the first to take Charles Brown or better yet having Brown fall to us? Also don't sleep on Roger Saffold (T Indiana).

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/3/3/1334602/indiana-ol-rodger-saffold-2nd]Indiana OL Rodger Saffold; 2nd Round Pick Option for Redskins? - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668364]Ah yes but he only started 5 games in 2008. It wasn't until this year that he became a starter. [B]And whos to say that we couldn't get a player of Bakers caliber with our 2nd round pick?[/B] This is a very deep tackle class. [B]Heck whats stopping us from trading back into the first to take Charles Brown or better yet he could easily fall to us.[/B][/quote]

I'd be ok with a 2nd rounder tackle. Some people are not even mentioning that as an option, wanting to patch the line with just FAs and low rounders.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668367]I'd be ok with a 2nd rounder tackle. Some people are not even mentioning that as an option, [B]wanting to patch the line with just FAs and low rounders.[/B][/quote]

That is unacceptable. One of our first two picks has to be a lineman. I wouldn't sleep though on the mid to late round picks. Shanahan has done a good job of finding these guys that fit his scheme. Now if he's trying to build a D-Line with those same picks then I would be worried.

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No keep all our picks & if possible don't trade next years picks if possible.

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[quote=Mattyk;668261]If we did go after him, I definitely would put him at RT. If you can't let your LT lock up one on one consistently with the top pass rushers in this league, you've got a problem.[/quote]

That is a 101% true statement. You have to have more faith in your LT than any other position on the field. This guy would fit in as a candidate to compete with whatever rookie we draft after Okung for the starting RT position, and with Dockery and Rabach, and bring in Sims over from Seattle, and you have yourself a very quality offensive line. I am sure whoever is behind center this year will be better protected, no matter who we bring in this year. Shanny always has good lines.

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I think it's really interesting that we had this thread on the day that Heyer got a second round tender, because Bushrod is basically their Heyer. It suggests that this is the new going rate for a tackle.

But since I don't think anyone is lining up to offer us a second for Heyer, I'm not thinking we should return the favor.

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well if he is there Heyer they can keep him.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668524]well if he is there Heyer they can keep him.[/quote]

What??

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[quote=WaldSkins;668525]What??[/quote]


What T.O. Killa correctly surmised is that if Bushrod is another Heyer, everyone who spent time typing on this post has been cheated out of part of their life.

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[quote=over the mountain;668358]i hear ya buddy but nobody is going to immediatley make our o line look good. not JC, not bradford, not clausen, not okung.

have we reached a deal with rabach? if not, he hits the FA wire in about 34 hours.[/quote]

Would be shocked if we reach a deal with Rabach, especially before FA hits

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I'd rather make a push for Gaither. I'd feel comfortable trading our 2nd (preferably Carlos Rogers and a lower pick) for the guy. He's only 23 and played LT. His size (6'9" 350lbs or so makes him a better RT). Pair him with a LT at No. 4 and you have a pair of tackles similar to Samuels and Jansen when they were drafted.

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[quote=DIE-NASTY;668655]I'd rather make a push for Gaither. I'd feel comfortable trading our 2nd (preferably Carlos Rogers and a lower pick) for the guy. He's only 23 and played LT. His size (6'9" 350lbs or so makes him a better RT). Pair him with a LT at No. 4 and you have a pair of tackles similar to Samuels and Jansen when they were drafted.[/quote]

Gaither is a LT (Oher plays RT) and would he fit in Shanny's zone block?? At 350 lbs. I would say not. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good lineman, and if he fits, I wouldn't mind getting him.

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i agree gaither probably isn't as quick of tackle shannahan would like but i'm sure he isn't a slug. He's opened plenty of room for Ray Rice and company to run the past couple of years and that's with 8 men in the box. Baltimore hasn't had any real WR threats to open up the offense and they still were able to crank in the running game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668661]Gaither is a LT (Oher plays RT) and would he fit in Shanny's zone block?? At 350 lbs. I would say not. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good lineman, and if he fits, I wouldn't mind getting him.[/quote]
If he has a good 20-yd shuttle and 3-cone drill, he sure as hell would be a good fit.

[url=http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33209&draftyear=2007&genpos=OT]*Jared Gaither | Maryland, OT : 2007 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile[/url]

Looks like his Pro Day went well for him. His 3-cone drill and 20-yd shuttle is better than any OLinemen that fully participated in this year's combine

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No doubt that Gaither is a quality player at left tackle. Just that he's not tailor made for this scheme and there are younger more qualified zone blocking options in Bulaga and Okung. Now if the Ravens start smoking crack and ask for a second round pick for Gaither then awesome.

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Just so every knows I got clarification. If they take a restricted free agent they give up 2011 pick. I think it is worth looking at because the 2011 draft will probably be weak.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668785]Just so every knows I got clarification. If they take a restricted free agent they give up 2011 pick. I think it is worth looking at because the 2011 draft will probably be weak.[/quote]

Thanks for that info, I did not realize that at all.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668785]Just so every knows I got clarification. If they take a restricted free agent they give up 2011 pick. I think it is worth looking at because the 2011 draft will probably be weak.[/quote]

Are you sure about this? When the Panthers tendered Ricky Manning in the 2006 offseason, and the Bears offered him a contract (which Carolina did not match) the draft pick given to the Panthers was for the 2006 draft.

Also, when New England acquired Wes Welker from Miami in 2007, the draft picks were for the 2007 draft.

Unless there are changes due to the uncapped season about this, I think the draft picks given up are for this year, unless a trade is negotiated and the other team is willing to accept a 2011 pick.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668785]Just so every knows I got clarification. If they take a restricted free agent they give up 2011 pick. I think it is worth looking at because the [B]2011 draft will probably be weak[/B].[/quote]

What makes you say that? I'm not saying you're wrong but this time last year we had a handful of people thinking that this QB class was going to be the best one in a long time. Now half of the posters need to be dragged kicking and screaming to just be told that drafting a QB early isn't the end of the world nevermind be sold on the possible move.

Also if you look at Todd McShays mock draft from April 2009 for April 2010 you'll see just how difficult it is to project a draft class a year in advance.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/30381-looking-ahead-to-2010-draft-depth-4.html[/url]

His top 10 is actually pretty decent but a lot of the guys he projects near the second half are going to be 3rd and 4th rounders at best. I mean for goodness sake he had us drafting Ciron Black at 11th overall.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668848]What makes you say that? I'm not saying you're wrong but this time last year we had a handful of people thinking that this QB class was going to be the best one in a long time. Now half of the posters need to be dragged kicking and screaming to just be told that drafting a QB early isn't the end of the world nevermind be sold on the possible move.

Also if you look at Todd McShays mock draft from April 2009 for April 2010 you'll see just how difficult it is to project a draft class a year in advance.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/30381-looking-ahead-to-2010-draft-depth-4.html[/URL]

His top 10 is actually pretty decent but a lot of the guys he projects near the second half are going to be 3rd and 4th rounders at best. I mean for goodness sake he had us drafting Ciron Black at 11th overall.[/quote]
The reason I say that this year is so strong, is because so many juniors have come out early with the impending new CBA coming. So it only makes sense that if this year has allot of next years talent in it, that it will be weak. I think the Redskins are being very smart right now, because if there is a new CBA next year the free agent class will be incredible and it looks like they will have a ton of cap space.

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Would we be able to sign him AFTER the draft, and give the Saints our Second Rounder in 2011? I wonder how that would work at that point, does anyone know?

I mean we might not be great next year, but I don't know that we'd have the #4/#36 picks in the 2011 draft... and I dont think we should give up anymore picks seeing as we don't have a third rounder (Which I was OK with the Jarmon thing, so no big deal)...but having just a 1st...then late picks would not be good for a rebuilding team like us...

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ok I got another LT for a second rounder.. Charlie Johnson, Left Tackle of the Colts. Never heard of him, but if he started at LT for the Colts. He must be good.

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[quote=GridIron26;668265]I agree with your posts in this thread; Bushrod could even barely handle Freeney (with the foot injury) in the Super Bowl game.. I would prefer to spend the 2nd pick on Charles Brown or whoever else is available..[/quote]

There will be value in the second round if we're looking at acquiring another lineman at that spot. Allen won't be long on trading away draft choices when we could get value where we are and wouldn't have to surrender a draft pick for another teams player. The days of trading away draft pick could be history.

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Elite-tier starting LTs can be had for 1st round picks or more. Anything less and you are NOT getting enough bang for the buck at one of the most important positions on the offense.

If there isn't one, I'd take a gamble on the finding the next Jon Jansen or equivalent starter.

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[quote=Longtimefan;670818]There will be value in the second round if we're looking at acquiring another lineman at that spot. Allen won't be long on trading away draft choices when we could get value where we are and wouldn't have to surrender a draft pick for another teams player. The days of trading away draft pick could be history.[/quote]
Yeah, but what if we could get a left tackle with a second round tender draft choice in 2011, and a right tackle with our current draft choice.

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Any player with less than a first round tender, or at left tackle, less than a first and third round tender, isn't really highly regarded by their team, or by the league. So essentially, you'd be paying a second round pick for what amounts to a scouting find.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;670820]Yeah, but what if we could get a left tackle with a second round tender draft choice in 2011, and a right tackle with our current draft choice.[/quote]

So much about 2011 is still uncertain yet, and a 2nd round tender for Bushrod would not be conditional unless a deal was consumated to that effect. Anything less than an arranged agreement would require a 2nd rounder in the 2010 draft. If it's linemen we'll be lookinfg for in 2011 there may be a better player than Bushrod available to us at that time. I've just never been one in favor of trading away draft picks, they're the closest thing to gold in today's NFL.

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[quote=Longtimefan;670825]So much about 2011 is still uncertain yet, and a 2nd round tender for Bushrod would not be conditional unless a deal was consumated to that effect. Anything less than an arranged agreement would require a 2nd rounder in the 2010 draft. If it's linemen we'll be lookinfg for in 2011 there may be a better player than Bushrod available to us at that time. I've just never been one in favor of trading away draft picks, they're the closest thing to gold in today's NFL.[/quote]
That is not the way I understand it. It would be a 2011 pick, if we took one of those guys, after the draft.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;670827]That is not the way I understand it. It would be a 2011 pick, if we took one of those guys, after the draft.[/quote]

This In Accordance To The Rules Of The Collective Bargaining Agreement:

Reference: Compensation RFA Tenders

A restricted free agent can negotiate with any club through a certain date. If the RFA accepts an offer sheet from a new club, his old club has a "right of first refusal"...a seven day period in which it may match the offer and retain him, or choose not to match the offer in which case it may recieve one or more draft picks "from the upcoming draft" from the players new club. If an offer sheet is not executed the players rights revert back to his old club the day after negotiations must end.

That does not mean that a deal cannot be consumated requiring any combination of players in exchange, but such deal must be worked out in advance between the two parties.

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[quote=Gmanc711;670790]Would we be able to sign him AFTER the draft, and give the Saints our Second Rounder in 2011? I wonder how that would work at that point, does anyone know?

I mean we might not be great next year, but I don't know that we'd have the #4/#36 picks in the 2011 draft... and I dont think we should give up anymore picks seeing as we don't have a third rounder (Which I was OK with the Jarmon thing, so no big deal)...but having just a 1st...then late picks would not be good for a rebuilding team like us...[/quote]

No; RFA's period ends before the draft to avoid this.

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Matty is right, it is almost the same with Qbs in this draft, linemen are rather plentiful on both sides of the ball.

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[quote=tryfuhl;670915]No; RFA's period ends before the draft to avoid this.[/quote]

That's correct, the deadline for signing tendered RFA's is April 15th.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;670791]ok I got another LT for a second rounder.. Charlie Johnson, Left Tackle of the Colts. Never heard of him, but if he started at LT for the Colts. He must be good.[/quote]

No, he's good because of Peyton knowing when to get rid of the ball, making his line look better than what it is. I think that he'd be decent with us at RT but definitely not at LT.

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[quote=Longtimefan;670924]That's correct, the deadline for signing tendered RFA's is April 15th.[/quote]
Well if that is the case they are not worth it.

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[quote=Longtimefan;670924]That's correct, the deadline for signing tendered RFA's is April 15th.[/quote]

I think that I heard on NFLN that last year not a single RFA was picked up, wouldn't be surprised if it happened again.