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[quote=SolidSnake84;671191]He went into the bathroom with the girl....where no one was around...[/quote]
I can see that now. They get into the bathroom and some dude is sitting on the pot. Ben knocks on the stalls door saying "dude you need to get out of here I'm trying to score". After a minute or so Ben bangs on the door again "dude I'm not joking I need that stall now and your stinking up the bathroom". The guy comes out and Ben pulls the girl into the stinking stall and they start to get down on the allready warm toilet seat.

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[quote=firstdown;671201]Any girl willing to join a guy in a bathroom is pretty nasty to start with. Hey mom I want you to meet Susan we met in the bathroom of the local sports bar. She a really sweet girl and does not even mind urin soaked floors. Maybe Ben shot off when getting escorted to the VIP section.[/quote]

Allegedly he followed her into the *girls* bathroom.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;671193]Or he is using roids or taking way too many[B] amino acid tablets(legal roids)[/B]. As a freshman, me, my roomie, and one of my suite mates had to use all the strengh we had to hold back our other suite mate(who was drunk as hell) from raping a female friend of his that was visiting us when he got back. The guy was drunk, but [B]he was a bodybuilder, that was taking amino acid big time[/B]. The guy saw Heather( a rather shapely brunette) and went bonkers.[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about?

hahahahahahahahahaha

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[QUOTE="firstdown"]
I can see that now. They get into the bathroom and some dude is sitting on the pot. Ben knocks on the stalls door saying "dude you need to get out of here I'm trying to score". After a minute or so Ben bangs on the door again "dude I'm not joking I need that stall now and your stinking up the bathroom". The guy comes out and Ben pulls the girl into the stinking stall and they start to get down on the allready warm toilet seat.[/QUOTE]

You put way too much thought in to that... Based on personal experience? ;)

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Welllll, the investigation should be interesting?
And on a more global level, does Big Ben maybe think.......maybe he needs to take stock of how he is spending off time. At least the ONLY off time that the media reports? I am confident the Steelers would appreciate it whether it is just or not........

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Here's what I think...if the Steelers are in need of a QB, Jason Campbell would be perfect there. Campbell for Randle El!! Bring back the crabwalker!!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;671254]What the hell are you talking about?

hahahahahahahahahaha[/quote]

Actually, that's what a lot of steroid users say when their friends are like, "Damn Rick, you got really big really fast, how did you do it?" (Rick) Oh, I just been lifting and taking lots amino acids".

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Here's what I don't understand about the NFL. Why are they so selective when it comes to suspending athletes? There's been plenty of players who have been suspended indefinitely prior to any convictions.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;671193]Or he is using roids or taking way too many amino acid tablets(legal roids). As a freshman, me, my roomie, and one of my suite mates had to use all the strengh we had to hold back our other suite mate(who was drunk as hell) from raping a female friend of his that was visiting us when he got back. The guy was drunk, but he was a bodybuilder, that was taking amino acid big time. The guy saw Heather( a rather shapely brunette) and went bonkers.[/quote]

LOL. I don't know about all that. I've taken a supplement called [ame="http://www.amazon.com/NO-XPLODE-CEM3-Nitric-Creatine-1-81lb/dp/B000GUHR7S"]N.O.Xplode[/ame] off and on for a few years now when I train. It's got plenty of amino acids. I've never had any adverse side affects when sober or drunk. I think your friend who was taking "amino acids big time" may have been on something else as well.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;671219]Allegedly he followed her into the *girls* bathroom.[/quote]


2 time Super Bowl Champion....Blumpkin Ben Rothlisberger

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Roethlisberger should pick on someone his own size





[IMG]http://www.barelyhangingon.com/wp-content/uploads/nfl_quarterback_roethlisberger.jpg[/IMG]

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Ironically the name of the police chief of Milledgeville, GA is named Woody Blue. Could there be any better of a porn star name?

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[quote=GMScud;671339]LOL. I don't know about all that. I've taken a supplement called [URL="http://www.amazon.com/NO-XPLODE-CEM3-Nitric-Creatine-1-81lb/dp/B000GUHR7S"]N.O.Xplode[/URL] off and on for a few years now when I train. It's got plenty of amino acids. I've never had any adverse side affects when sober or drunk. I think your friend who was taking "amino acids big time" may have been on something else as well.[/quote]


I have had many friends take aminos and if they take a shitload, the effect can be similar as to taking roids. Not all of them got overly agressive, but alot did. They ended up scaling abck or quitting altogether as with a few it destroyed their complections as well. Not saying it does all the time. Some of these guys were popping the shit like candy for a while. You could be right about them taking something else also, but with stacking that shit it can have the same effect.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;671328]Actually, that's what a lot of steroid users say when their friends are like, "Damn Rick, you got really big really fast, how did you do it?" (Rick) Oh, I just been lifting and taking lots amino acids".[/quote]

Never heard that from the juicers

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[quote=GusFrerotte;671360]I have had many friends take aminos and if they take a shitload, the effect can be similar as to taking roids. Not all of them got overly agressive, but alot did. They ended up scaling abck or quitting altogether as with a few it destroyed their complections as well. Not saying it does all the time. Some of these guys were popping the shit like candy for a while. You could be right about them taking something else also, but with stacking that shit it can have the same effect.[/quote]

You clearly don't even know what amino acids are.

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[quote=tryfuhl;671361]Never heard that from the juicers[/quote]

Let me guess, they told you it was the creatine?

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I don't believe Ben did anything to that girl. Ben needs to be careful or get married real quick. Those gold diggers will ruin this man. They are relentless and won't stop. I am speaking from instinct. Leave Big Ben alone.

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Well i'm not saying Ben is guilty either, but this time it sounds like he's really done it. Too many witness reports that all say the same thing, the fact that Ben has to submit a DNA sample, and the results of the rape test, which obviously wont be revealed until Ben is tested....

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[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976276"]Ok, we don't have to discuss this anymore, Ben's lawyer says he's innocent.[/URL] I'm glad we could clear that up so quickly.

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Would you really expect his lawyer to say anything different??

Lawyer: "Well, um, we're pretty sure Ben is guilty, but in court its not what you know, it's what you can prove"...

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[quote=Kalisto2010;671401]Let me guess, they told you it was the creatine?[/quote]

there you have it

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;671411]I don't believe Ben did anything to that girl. Ben needs to be careful or [B]get married real quick[/B]. Those [B]gold diggers will ruin this man[/B]. They are relentless and won't stop. I am speaking from instinct. Leave Big Ben alone.[/quote]

hmmm

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Barhopping at 20 years old hmm

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[quote=mredskins;671173]I am not really seeing a Jenny Craig before and after photo here. Some people just have chubby cheeks even when they are thin. To say becasue he has gained some weight he is alcoholic is kind of a stretch.[/quote]

Yeah, he could be on Cell Tech. :doh:

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Maybe they should just hook Ben up with that whale down in Florida? Problem solved. GD I'm smart!

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Big Ben may be in real trouble here. From pictures and accounts, it sounds like he was shitfaced and was being belligerent to other girls who turned down advances. Most likely, he doesn't remember what really happened. I am real curious if he will testify. I would think the prosecutors will focus on how drunk he was and whether he could control himself. It is going to be a tough sell to say that you went to 5 bars with a "Drink like a Champion shirt" and that your eyes were half shut because you were tired...

It is good that he can afford a big time attorney because he is going to need him. He is probably facing a big payout to her regardless.

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Yeah he looks shitfaced...

[IMG]http://letsblogsports.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ben-roethlisberger-drunk-pittsburgh-steelers-quarterback-tall-receiver-hines-ward.jpg[/IMG]

Actually, I think this picture is from last year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;671852]Yeah he looks shitfaced...

[IMG]http://letsblogsports.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/ben-roethlisberger-drunk-pittsburgh-steelers-quarterback-tall-receiver-hines-ward.jpg[/IMG]

Actually, I think this picture is from last year.[/quote]

It is. However like I said earlier wearing a shirt like that ("drink like a champion") doesn't bode well when you try to convince people that you don't have an alcohol problem and of course if it was the only thing then fine, but this on top of a laundry list of dumb decisions.

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WAIT..........didn't I see this guy on a Geico ad? "[B]Even a Rothlesberger could do it[/B]"?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;671450]Well i'm not saying Ben is guilty either, but this time it sounds like he's really done it. Too many witness reports that all say the same thing, the fact that Ben has to submit a DNA sample, and the results of the rape test, which obviously wont be revealed until Ben is tested....[/quote]

rape trials are very very difficult to defend. the pending result of a SAFE (sexual assault forensic evidence) kit will define this case imo. if they are able to race his dna, his only defense is consensual intercourse which turns into a he say, she say.

you could be convicted of rape with little more than a crying sympathetic looking woman up on the stand saying you did it. despite all other evidence not supporting her version, that jury will only remember that crying woman, mother, daughter, sister, granddaughter, etc...

in a rape trial last year, we did a voir dire of the venire pool, more than half of the 150 or so people either were sexually assaulted or had a close one who was and had to be excused. interestingly enough, 28 of the first 32 potential jurors were white women. i personally think the state atty and jury commish were in on it since they were all friends. dont be charged with rape if your a black guy in a rural county in maryland.

with rape, once that word is uttered in a courtroom full of prospective jurors, they have already made their mind up before hearing and considering all the evidence.

i will say big ben, now, is set up to be vulnerable to any woman's accusation of rape or misconduct. after this case, any woman could make a claim if there is a scantila of evidence he will have to plead. something like witensses saying they saw them together or saw them leave together is all the corroboration needed even though the fact that they were together just places him there and not that he did a crime.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;671883]It is. However like I said earlier wearing a shirt like that ("drink like a champion") doesn't bode well when you try to convince people that you don't have an alcohol problem and of course if it was the only thing then fine, but this on top of a laundry list of dumb decisions.[/quote]\

i heard he had a shirt on with like an emblazened devil on it.

the fact that ben was accused of rape in az will not be evidence for the jury to hear if this goes to trial.

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This disgusts me.

[url=http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-03-10/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-should-settle-his-new-accuser]Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News[/url]

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;671974]This disgusts me.

[URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-03-10/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-should-settle-his-new-accuser"]Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News[/URL]

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, [B]but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement[/B]. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.[/quote]

while i agree with you, i dont think we should use the AZ allegations (which seem to be false) to bolster this accusation.

just b/c you were drunk doesnt mean you committed rape.

just b/c you were accused of rape before, doesnt mean you raped now.

the AZ allegation will not be admissible evidence if this one goes to trial.

so what do we really have to question roth's credibility vs the woman's? the motorcycle accident? the fact that he seems to like to drink?

without actual facts coming to light, i cant make a judgment call.

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i agree that we can't make a definitive judgement now, but the fact that rothlesberger is involved in some sort of incident every year is enough to question his judgement. he shouldnt be putting himself in these situations to begin with. his behavior is clearly reckless if nothing else.

my overall point is that presuming Rothlesberger is innocent of sexual assualt means we are assuming his accuser is guilty of making the whole thing up. it just concerns me that so many people are quick to assume the later is true. i think there are far more me who get away with sexual assault because the victims don't speak up than there are women who falsely accuse men of rape to get money.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;671974]This disgusts me.

[URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-03-10/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-should-settle-his-new-accuser"]Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News[/URL]

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.[/quote]First, let me say I don't particularly care for Florio. However, from a strictly unemotional, dollars & cents, and legal perspective, his advice is sound. Roth will spend more in legal fees defending himself with an uncertain outcome than he would in writing a settlement check.

Now, if the woman takes the money in settlement it would lead to one of two conclusions IMO; 1) she made it up and cashed in on Roth's stupidity 2) she didn't make it up, but chose to take a settlement, which is her moral decision, but would still leave the impression on many in the public that she was just "cashing in". Either way, it helps Big Ben in the public eye and makes a very expensive and possibly freedom threatening problem go away quickly.

Now, if the woman declines the settlement, then the likelihood is she isn't making the story up and morally she won't sell out. If that's the case, Big Ben is in a whole heap of trouble and deservedly so.

I do agree with your take on folks blindly favoring Big Ben, you know the saying; once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a trend.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;672060]First, let me say I don't particularly care for Florio. However, from a strictly unemotional, dollars & cents, and legal perspective, his advice is sound. Roth will spend more in legal fees defending himself with an uncertain outcome than he would in writing a settlement check.

[/quote]

The thing is thought that Ben is already a rich man. Money isn't really a problem for him. So in the end I think it depends on weather or not Ben goes on principle and refuses to acknowledge such an accusation by paying for it to go away. Though you're right that it would make more sense to pay her off if he could. Has anyone heard from Kobe's "victim" lately?

I could sworn though that I heard that Ben did offer a settlement but was turned down. Personally I'd rather this go to trial in hopes of getting to the bottom of this.

Of course if this was an early episode of Law and Order they'd try to arrange a plea deal. "Man 2, he does the max." "See you in court Stone." Pains me to know that no one will understand this reference.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;671974]This disgusts me.

[URL="http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-03-10/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-should-settle-his-new-accuser"]Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger should settle with his new accuser - Mike Florio - NFL - Sporting News[/URL]

If Rothlesberger is innocent, then yeah, i can see how Florio's advice would make sense. But what if he's guilty? Florio is basically saying, "if you have a lot of money, its ok to commit rape. you can just pay off the victim later if they decide to talk."

I realize that none of us know the facts, but it distrubs me that so many people are assuming that he's innocent of rape and that she is guilty of purgery. We don't know a thing about this woman, but we know enough about Rothlesberger to question both his character and his judgement. If people are going to start making assumptions, i dont see why they would side in favor of Rothlesgerger.[/quote]

she said she was assaulted, not raped. big difference. i'm not a lawyer but what does that mean? it could mean he grabbed her ass, or grabbed her tits when she wasn't expecting it. to me this sounds like some girl crying wolf. how do you assault someone in a club when people are walking in and out of a bathroom? it just doesn't make any sense.

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Well we don't know what exactly happened. Roethlisberger could have had one of his boys block the bathroom so no one got in and out. He could have been like "Whatever, I'm Ben Roethlisberger. Let them watch"

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[quote=SmootSmack;672137]Well we don't know what exactly happened. Roethlisberger could have had one of his boys block the bathroom so no one got in and out. He could have been like "Whatever, I'm Ben Roethlisberger. Let them watch"[/quote]

some things are possible. but some are less possible. i just find it very hard to believe that an nfl star ( or anyone w/ common sense) is sexually assaulting someone in a college bar while his wingman blocks the door.

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Well it's questionable if Roeth has common sense