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Yea, we've generally been pretty damn aggressive in FA. We won 4 games last year. We've got a ton of holes on an aging team. We've cut 10+ players. It's time to do a little rebuilding here. It's not a time to shill out a ton of $ on players who will most likely be old in a few years when we need them to be in their prime.

The Skins aren't going to be "fixed" overnight. So gun shy, no. It actually feels like they have a plan as opposed to previous years.

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[quote=Longtimefan;671413]Good post 12thMan...I'm in total agreement with your assessment relevant to the difference this coachng staff will make. When I look back at how competitive we were in most games last year save for a few bad breaks here and there, we could easily have been at least an 8-8 team.

It's just encouraging to see a FO structure with a plan as opposed to a fix. The time has come when all the (good fit's) as we love to refer to them as, will have to fit someplace else. Vinny is gone, hopefully to never return.[/quote]

Pretty much. Even though we finished 4-12, I too think we're probably more like an 8-8 team. That's the great deception with this squad, we're really not that bad.

And as it's been stated here as well as other threads, there weren't a ton of quality free agents out there, unless you're giving up a top tier pick. Take the Bears for instance, they're not rebuilding they're trying to save face and a few asses.

Two people, among a few others, that I feel will be key to how far we go this year will Jason Campbell, for obvious reasons, and Levi Jones. He's the big wild card I'm counting on. If this guy can kill it in training camp and just become NFL starting material, I think we're on our way. Chad Rinehart, eh? I don't know, he should improve but I'm counting on Levi to step up more than Chad, although I'd be happy with either doing a good job.

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I have to admit, I was the biggest whiner that we weren't spending money, but maybe it was someone on NFLN who laid it out nicely for me.

Sure, I'm sitting here thinking, "Wow, the one year we CAN spend money, we're not doing it." A total paradigm shift obviously, but now after hearing their explanation, I'm totally convinced what they're doing now is a great idea.

Sure, there's no cap this year, but what about next year for the people who have giant contracts they took on this year. Who are they going to be able to sign? We're setting ourselves up for a serious, thought-out rebuild, so I'm absolutely changing my opinion on the front office thus far this offseason.

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[quote=Ruhskins;671410]Come on baby!! Sign Peppers, Dansby, ANYONE!!!

[IMG]http://www.freewebs.com/rihalogods/tyrone_biggums.jpg[/IMG][/quote]





Gotta play to win! There's one thing you should know about me Joe Rogen, i smoke rocks. classic

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While I am not completely pleased with the moves and non-moves the Redskins have made so far, I think that Shanahan and Allen are working toward a larger purpose. They are changing the culture and reputation of the Washington Redskins. This is no longer a place for guys to come who "want to get paid." We will not overspend for anyone. Lets take Clifton for example. We need a LT BADLY and Clifton would have been a nice stop-gap. Yes we could have had him on a 3year contract and could have cut him in 2011 with little to no cap penalty if the cap returns. Even though there would be no negative consequences for overspending on Clifton, we were determined not to do it. Not signing him may hurt us in 2010. However, not signing him (or Peppers, Dansby, etc. for that matter) sends a message to players that things have changed and that we don't want players here who just want to get their big payday. In the short-term, this strategy is hurting the team. However, in the long-term, this will help change the character and makeup of the team for the better.

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[quote=12thMan;671473]Pretty much. Even though we finished 4-12, I too think we're probably more like an 8-8 team. That's the great deception with this squad, we're really not that bad.

And as it's been stated here as well as other threads, there weren't a ton of quality free agents out there, unless you're giving up a top tier pick. Take the Bears for instance, they're not rebuilding they're trying to save face and a few asses.

Two people, among a few others, that I feel will be key to how far we go this year will Jason Campbell, for obvious reasons, and Levi Jones. He's the big wild card I'm counting on. If this guy can kill it in training camp and just become NFL starting material, I think we're on our way. Chad Rinehart, eh? I don't know, he should improve but I'm counting on Levi to step up more than Chad, although I'd be happy with either doing a good job.[/quote]

Fill me in on the status of Levi Jones. He's still listed on the roster, but is he currently under contract or is he an URFA?

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[quote=Longtimefan;671482]Fill me in on the status of Levi Jones. He's still listed on the roster, but is he currently under contract or is he an URFA?[/quote]

All I know is he signed a FA contract last year. I'm not sure if the Skins have decided to keep him or what, to be honest. I'd like to see him back in camp and competing for a starting spot at tackle.

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I am just so shocked to hear that Redskins fans are complaining of how the team is dealing with free agency. Over the past 5 years the team has been trigger happy and the team has become the offseason champs. Finally, management is actually viewing our current roster and making great money decisions. Everyone Jumps. Relax, we have great minds in office and dont be surprised when 3 big moves happen within the next 4 weeks.

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[QUOTE=freddyg12;671422]I would also add that it's not just about the cap. We may think Snyder has bottomless pockets but it's not secret that some of his ventures (6 flags e.g.) have not been doing well. I'm sure revenue at the stadium was down this year.

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this is what im wondering too. the DS paid a boat of money last year just to go 4-12. now, with no floor and no expectation of winning, he can go 4-12 for half the price.

if we are not going to be a contender for the SB this year, why spend millions on band-aid players like clifton, pashos, etc.

us signing or not signing chad clifton will have very little impact on whether we are contending for a SB 2 years from now. imo.

while i would have liked dansby here, he got paid more than i would have given up for a 100 tackle no turnover ILB.

so far, the FO gets a thumbs up from me.

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What, are we 5 days into FA now?

We've taken out the trash (no disrespect to the individual players) and already added a versatile OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.

We're doing fine. Plenty of time to make moves. The FA pool will continue to grow, not shrink.

As long as we have the line covered in the draft, I'm happy with the job they've done.

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[quote=Longtimefan;671482]Fill me in on the status of Levi Jones. He's still listed on the roster, but is he currently under contract or is he an URFA?[/quote]

That's what I'm wondering too, what is the deal w/Levi? Is he under contract? If not, it seems we would've heard something.

I know he said he wanted to play LT last year & waited for a team to sign him to do so, but he might want to consider playing RT at this point in his career. He seems like the athletic kind of linemen that would do well in Shanny's scheme.

Anyone have info?

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Levi is a UFA

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My big prediction is that Redskins acquire brandon marshall, by trading the 4 spot for a later 1st round draft pick. LT will join portis in the backfield allowing us to draft a 4th round running back. Believe me this is not a fantasy trade.

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Lots of factors to consider here, most of which have already been addressed (but I have a monthly post quota to fill so here goes)

-Weak class with many guys who would be UFAs now RFAs this year

-In the event a cap returns next season, we're in better shape than many other teams. Something Allen has said, that they are preparing for that possibility

-We've made more moves than any other team really. It's just been addition by subtraction really

-It's still early. When you think about it, at this point in free agency did we make any major move tin 2008? Did we make any move other than signing Haynesworth in 2009? (I can't recall what we did in 2007). Think about it, we were interested in Dansby but decided not to make a major bid for him. Had we signed him, we'd basically have done what we did last year at the start of free agency. Sign one major defensive player

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;671505]My big prediction is that Redskins acquire brandon marshall, by trading the 4 spot for a later 1st round draft pick. LT will join portis in the backfield allowing us to draft a 4th round running back. Believe me this is not a fantasy trade.[/quote]

Why on earth would Shanny trade for Brandon Marshall, a player that he previously wanted to ditch?

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[quote=REDSKINS1980;671505]My big prediction is that Redskins acquire brandon marshall, by trading the 4 spot for a later 1st round draft pick. LT will join portis in the backfield allowing us to draft a 4th round running back. [B]Believe me this is not a fantasy trade[/B].[/quote]
You're right, it's just an insane trade.

Neither will happen. LT has a better chance here than Marshall, but I don't think he'd accept a backup role on a noncontender.

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[quote=SmootSmack;671512]Lots of factors to consider here, most of which have already been addressed ([B]but I have a monthly post quota to fill so here goes[/B])

-Weak class with many guys who would be UFAs now RFAs this year

-In the event a cap returns next season, we're in better shape than many other teams. Something Allen has said, that they are preparing for that possibility

-We've made more moves than any other team really. It's just been addition by subtraction really

-It's still early. When you think about it, at this point in free agency did we make any major move tin 2008? Did we make any move other than signing Haynesworth in 2009? (I can't recall what we did in 2007). Think about it, we were interested in Dansby but decided not to make a major bid for him. Had we signed him, we'd basically have done what we did last year at the start of free agency. Sign one major defensive player[/quote]
Wow, no wonder you are low on your quota, you could easily have gotten 4 posts out of this one, and if you tried even a little you could have gotten 6!

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The Skins are in need to for a top wide receiver to compliment santana moss and Devin Thomas. As far as LT, From sources he is not looking for a starting role, he is looking for a potential playoff run team. I am no way saying we will make the playoffs but a contender.

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[quote=freddyg12;671422]I would also add that it's not just about the cap. We may think Snyder has bottomless pockets but it's not secret that some of his ventures (6 flags e.g.) have not been doing well. I'm sure revenue at the stadium was down this year.

It looks like they have a plan, which entails a budget that Allen has set w/the Danny's blessing. As the Peter King article mentions, Allen didn't want to spend too much or get impulsive in free agency. I like it so far, sign players that are w/in your budget parameters rather than trying to outbid for 1 or 2 guys then having to restructure every year, etc.

If Vinny were still here I don't know if Peppers would be a skin, but I bet Clifton & Pashos would be. We would've overpaid for both to try & get the quick fix of the o line.[/quote]

6 flags and everything else are separate entities. The Redskins are #1 in revenue and operating income. There is no way that Snyder would allow other businesses that may be struggling affect the Redskins.

The Redskins currently have the 4th lowest payroll. Does anyone want to bet me a beer (or two)that we aren't in the top 5-10 in the league by the time the season starts?

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;671570[B]]6 flags and everything else are separate entities. The Redskins are #1 in revenue and operating income. There is no way that Snyder would allow other businesses that may be struggling affect the Redskins. [/B]
The Redskins currently have the 4th lowest payroll. Does anyone want to bet me a beer (or two)that we aren't in the top 5-10 in the league by the time the season starts?[/quote]


Yeah we are not ABC.

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[quote=buster;671520]you're right, it's just an insane trade.

Neither will happen. Lt has a better chance here than marshall, but i don't think he'd accept a backup role on a noncontender.[/quote]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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I like this front office, they see what I see pretty much. They cut Betts!!! or Bettis or whatever is on his jersey this week.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;671588]I like this front office, they see what I see pretty much. They cut Betts!!! or Bettis or whatever is on his jersey this week.[/quote]


They better have cut the equipment manager too. That mistake was definitely a foreshadowing of 2009.

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[quote=Ruhskins;671410]Come on baby!! Sign Peppers, Dansby, ANYONE!!!

[IMG]http://www.freewebs.com/rihalogods/tyrone_biggums.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

oh man this cracked me up

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I honestly think that they'd rather wait till next year to continue building (after all, it's a never ending process) and get what they really want vs a guy that could probably start a few years that we'd end up cutting or forcing into a backup role.

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Another point of view, is that they want to see the impact of the cuts on those who remain. Now lets see what the remaining players do at the Mar 15th workouts before we go hogwild on these 2nd tier FA's

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i think that regardless of what is said to the media they(allen&shanahan) know deep down this is a rebuilding phase, not a restructuring phase, if you aren't ready to watch some mediocre football for the next year or two you need not tune in on sundays. there may be a glimmer of hope here and there but for the next couple years the skins will be a middle of the pack team. to see the true effect of the front office moves we will get a real look at that hopefully in three years.

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we couldn't sign foote, parker, and others. What is going on in Ashburn!?!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;671735]we couldn't sign foote, parker, and others. What is going on in Ashburn!?![/quote]

They are on the decline of their careers and not worth what they are asking. We might as well have kept the ones we cut.

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^ Is that really true if the market with the other 31 teams will give them what they ask for?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;671745]^ Is that really true if the market with the other 31 teams will give them what they ask for?[/quote]

It's like gas prices some people don't mind paying high prices, while others shop around for lower prices.

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I question not making a move to get Dansby since he's as good as you're gonna get as a FA if you consider age and talent. We do need a starting caliber LB. You have to draft 2 late rounders to find 1

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;671748]It's like gas prices some people don't mind paying high prices, while others shop around for lower prices.[/quote]

it's good to get that low priced gas but, you end up getting what you pay for
not premium performance. I would not be soo against this strategy if we had some more draft picks, but we don' t.

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[quote=diehard;671750]I question not making a move to get Dansby since he's as good as you're gonna get as a FA if you consider age and talent. We do need a starting caliber LB. You have to draft 2 late rounders to find 1[/quote]

I get the sense that maybe Dansby just wasn't that interested in signing with us. And that's something we sort of have to accept, that, for now at least, when money isn't the deciding factor we can't offer quite what other teams are looking for. We're not a winning franchise right now. We will be soon enough though.

Plus there are a whole bunch of other factors, like sometimes guys just have in their minds specifics teams or people they want to play for

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After seeing what happened to Plaxico and Gilbert I sure hope they're gun shy!! LOL.

Seriously, I'm not sure what the philosophy is just yet but I know the previous one wasn't working. I'm taking a "wait and see" approach.

HAIL!!

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Thumbs up, Im here for the long haul, so lets build a sustainable team for years to come.

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Who cares if they are gun-shy...it's not like being Gung-ho has worked for us in the past. I don't care how they do it, I just want them to get the job of winning a SB done! Pronto!

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[quote=SmootSmack;671756]I get the sense that maybe Dansby just wasn't that interested in signing with us. And that's something we sort of have to accept, that, for now at least, when money isn't the deciding factor we can't offer quite what other teams are looking for. We're not a winning franchise right now. We will be soon enough though.

Plus there are a whole bunch of other factors, like sometimes guys just have in their minds specifics teams or people they want to play for[/quote]

Exactly. If we aren't willing to break the bank, then we don't have a lot else going for us right now. If we do offer obscene sums, then it's just business as usual and a repeating cycle - overpay for outsiders, no continuity, mediocrity, over pay to try and break out of mediocrity, no continuity ....

Now, it appears we aren't trying to overcome the "I'd rather play somewhere else" mentality by throwing bucket loads of money at guys who end up here only b/c of the money.

BTW - Did I miss something? Has Foote signed somewhere else?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;671752]it's good to get that low priced gas but, you end up getting what you pay for
not premium performance. I would not be soo against this strategy if we had some more draft picks, but we don' t.[/quote]You say this as if the acquisition of Clifton/Pashos/Parker/Foote would have actually provided premium performance.

If you wanted premium performance in this free agent class, you pretty much had to chase Peppers, Brackett, or Kampman (or Ben Watson, if you had a need at TE). We let those players sign elsewhere, so you're already shopping in the bargain bin at that point.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;671752]it's good to get that low priced gas but, you end up getting what you pay for
not premium performance. I would not be soo against this strategy if we had some more draft picks, but we don' t.[/quote]Regular gas can be highly-priced, especially WHEN SUPPLY IS LOW.