Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

JC is a great backup. Thats all he is. Thats all other teams probably see him as. He needs to evaluate what he wants. Go elswhere and hopefully beat out some other poor sap and be a starter on a crappy team or stay here and be the back up and hopefully get a SB ring. His best chance to get it is here as back up cause I think he a lot better then Grossman because he's safe with the ball.

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

You may be right. I just have a problem admitting it to myself. After all the success he had in college, all the different NFL offensive systems he's been through and a great statistical 2009 season... he's just an average back up?

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[quote=RememberRFK;686632]You may be right. I just have a problem admitting it to myself. After all the success he had in college, all the different NFL offensive systems he's been through and a great statistical 2009 season... he's just an average back up?[/quote]


He had a great statistical season last year?

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

I think we as fans and JC himself over-valued his abilities. It's fairly clear the rest of the league views him as a back-up. Hopefully Campbell can maintain his poise, and accept a back-up role here as I still think it is in his best interest. Most anywhere else he would go, he would most likely be a career back-up, where as here, he could expect some occasional starts and a chance to be a starter again in 3 -4 years.
The fact that he can learn so much from the 2 Shanahans and McNabb would be beneficial to him, and something he wouldn't get anywhere else. I don't think Shan will trade him for a 4th or worse, and JC should accept his new role and work hard to stay here. Hopefully he doesn't run himself off the team as Haynesworth is doing.

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Okay, this thread is overwhemed by people who are not fans of JC and sprinkled with a few that either don't care or actually like him.

The fact of the matter is that Jason Campbell's 86.4 ranked 15th among QBs so statisticly speaking, he is better than 18 other QBs. 12 QBs with ratings below 80 like Matt Hassekbeck. This isn't including the dozens of other qbs that have started a few games like Byron Leftwich. There are at least 12 teams with significantly worse starting QBs than Jason Campbell. Now as yourself, how many great QBs are in the draft and where do the 12 worse teams fall? How many of them want the next eventually great guy and how many think they are a player away or want a good QB now?

To think nobody would want him is to ignore the age of Matt Hasselbeck. The Retiring of Kurt Warner. Leinart hasn't done the job right yet, maybe they would want him to have competition. The Bengals, for instance, have a Carson Palmer (83.6) who has yet to return to form since his surgery a few years ago. JT O'Sullivan is horrible, and Jordan Palmer... even WE passed up on that kid. Not saying it's what I expect, I'm just saying there are plenty of teams for whom the hiring of JC is an upgrade, or at least an option. He's not the best and safe to say he won't be gettinga hall of fame nod, but he's far from the worst and still better than plenty of other qbs

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We'll need Campbell.

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

[quote=diehard;686857]We'll need Campbell.[/quote]
[IMG]http://www.ourkitchensink.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/whatchu-talking-bout-willis-our-kitchen-sink.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

He should stay because he'd be an awesome backup and we'd likely need a couple starts out of our backup for the next 3 years.

Campbell is an immediate starter on about 5 teams, though....and would fight for the role for another 10. I don't see how we can keep him unless no one is willing to give us good value for him...which is a distinct possibility...normally teams that have the 5 worst QBs are in rebuilding mode...Campbell is fine, but is not seen as a franchise level QB....that hurts our trading position

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[quote=jdc65;685082]In my opinion, it is in Campbell's best long-term interest to stay with Washington. I cannot see any team giving him a starting job, unless only as a caretaker for a rookie draft-pick. Every team that needs a QB will address that this year in the draft, and that is who they will commit to.

Staying here as a back-up and learning the system and scheme that Shanahan runs will help him out more than getting 'lost' in a place like Oakland, Buffalo, or St.Louis. Shanahan will run a complex offensive scheme that will improve Jason's understanding of the game, reading defenses, and decision making ability.

Playing behind McNabb will teach Campbell valuable leadership skills and quarterback responsibilities that he won't likely get anywhere else. McNabb also misses games and JC will be a contributor in a successful offense.

The other players already like Campbell, but him staying will build a higher level of respect from them and the coaching staff.
This team is going to win, IMO, and being a contributing back-up on a winning team looks good on the resume, especially if a Hall-of-Fame coach gives you solid props.

Jason is still relatively young, and when McNabb retires in a few years, Campbell will be ready to assume the leadership role while he is healthy, and only 31-32 years of age. Otherwise JC could be lost as a permanent back-up on a different teams for the rest of his career.

I understand he wants starter's money, and if he can get it; he should.
However, I do not see any team giving him a starting QB contract or making any long commitment in him.
In my opinion, Campbell should stay here as a back-up, and make the best of the current situation. I believe it is the right thing to do for his career.[/quote]


Sorry Charlie, but JC has been in the league long enough to expect being a starter. Last season he was 14th in passing, that is just above average in terms of a 32 team league. THat means there were 18 QBs that were below him. Take in account that he didn't have a line or a solid WR corp and he should garner some interest from teams like Oakland, Buffalo, or Tampa Bay. Carolina might want to take a shot at him. Secondly, if Donovan stays for say 5 more seasons, what good does it do for JC? Learn the game for 5 more years? By that time he is ready to retire almost. Every QB wants to start and since JC has been or starter for 3 years solid and done a decent job with the drama he has been through, I think he can expect a starting job.

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well, at this point Grossman is the better backup on this team. HERE is why. Campbell is learning another new system all over again and we know he is slow. Rex already has a year in the system so he is familiar with everything and will feel more comfortable. Since McNabb is the starter and Jason is leaving after this year...then why not get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. anyway...its a moot point. he is gone within 10 days. Bank on it.

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

[quote=internetcareer;686868]well, at this point Grossman is the better backup on this team. HERE is why. Campbell is learning another new system all over again and we know he is slow. Rex already has a year in the system so he is familiar with everything and will feel more comfortable. Since McNabb is the starter and Jason is leaving after this year...then why not get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him. anyway...its a moot point. he is gone within 10 days. Bank on it.[/quote]

Being "Familiar to the system" hasn't helped Rex in the past now has it? The whole "Bringing the crappy back-up with you" thing didn't work with Todd Collins either. Todd wasn't good enough to start on any team for a decade and he couldn't even beat Jason Campbell for the job regardless of his familiarity to Al Saunders' system. Rex didn't do well after years in Chicago's system, FAR worse than JC. His worst is still better than Rex's best year. Look at the numbers and talk to the Bear Fans. they like him far less than most Skinz fans like Campbell.

JC learning a new system is old news. As the systems change he only gets better IN SPITE of it, We won't know with McNabb, this will be the first time in over a decade he'll have a big change, and Rex... He will matter as little as Todd Collins. I would MUCH rather have JC as a backup. McNabb WILL get injured. Unless our line is GREATLY improved, McNabb will bet throttled repeatedly and we need a backup who's best is at LEAST better than JC's WORST!!?!?!? :confused- Rex? Really!?!

How is this supposed to make me feel better? His only full season is worst than JCs WORST season and the only thing Rex did last year was throw an interception!?! REX HAS MORE INTERCEPTIONS THAN TOUCHDOWNS! That's all i should have to say. I'll leave it at that.

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[B]Rumor[/B]

Aparently someone put on Bleacher Report that JC was traded to the Raiders for a 3rd round pick and possibly a 4th. No one has been able to confirm it so it. As you can see I labled my post rumor for a reason but thought I would share. People have gone up to Bleacher Report and have said it's not there now and that everyone can post so who knows how true it is other then to say it's possibly just a rumor.

Edit: I meant to say it's being talked about on Extremeskins.

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

I agree, I would love to have JC stay, but he is NFL starter material since he has done it for a few seasons now, plus Shanny has errectively shown him the door allowing him to test the waters. The Grossman acquisition was dumb,and the Parker acquisition was unnecessary. I think we jumped the gun on saying things have changed a full 180 around Redskins Park. THe contracts are better, the FO is more frugal that way, but why even make a deal if it is unncecessary?

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

[quote=SBXVII;687045][B]Rumor[/B]

Aparently someone put on Bleacher Report that JC was traded to the Raiders for a 3rd round pick and possibly a 4th. No one has been able to confirm it so it. As you can see I labled my post rumor for a reason but thought I would share. People have gone up to Bleacher Report and have said it's not there now and that everyone can post so who knows how true it is other then to say it's possibly just a rumor.

Edit: I meant to say it's being talked about on Extremeskins.[/quote]
It was on Bleacherreport before it was on Extremeskins.
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/377142-oakland-raiders-acquire-jason-campbell-for-draft-picks]OAKLAND RAIDERS ACQUIRE JASON CAMPBELL FOR DRAFT PICKS | Bleacher Report[/url]
Full of bullshit from a bullshit contributer.

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TK considers post #65 an IQ test for ES members. unfortunately, that shouldn't be necessary. Anyone who actually saw the "report" on the bleacher report would know it was complete crap.

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^ that is what I keep hearing, but my computer at work won't let me access that site.

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[quote=44ever;686858][IMG]http://www.ourkitchensink.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/whatchu-talking-bout-willis-our-kitchen-sink.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

He'll be the best backup QB the 'Skins will have after the draft. It's a great risk since he's a UFA after this year, meaning the team will not be able to trade him.

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^ Honestly I'd rather trade out JC for a 3rd if possible since McNabb was worth a 2nd. Pick up one of the QB this yrs draft to learn under McNabb for 3 yrs or when McNabb's contract is up and start the Rookie then.

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

Campbell has signed his tender

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5078774]Jason Campbell signs Washington Redskins' tender, open to trade - ESPN[/url]

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so smoot, a few questions for the rumor-starved:

1) when will he be traded?
2) who are currently the most likely partners (we've heard 5 teams mentioned before)?
3) what are we likely go accept for him?

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Big, I know it wasn't addressed to me but I keep hearing...

Panthers
Raiders
Bronco's (with a package for Marshall)
Bills

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[quote=SBXVII;687106]Big, I know it wasn't addressed to me but I keep hearing...

Panthers
Raiders
Bronco's (with a package for Marshall)
Bills[/quote]

why would Denver want Campbell,Orton and Quinn?

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[quote=SBXVII;687106]Big, I know it wasn't addressed to me but I keep hearing...

Panthers
Raiders
Bronco's (with a package for Marshall)
Bills[/quote]

Thanks, do you mind saying where you're hearing this information? are these teams genuinely interested or are these just the teams we're trying to push him on?

personally, i'd love to trade Campbell and swap first rounders with Denver in exchange for Marshall. i'd also rather get a conditional 2011 pick that could increase to a 3rd than just take a 5th or 6th rounder in this years draft.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;687108]why would Denver want Campbell,Orton and Quinn?[/quote]

A better question would be: why would any team want any of them?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;687103]so smoot, a few questions for the rumor-starved:

1) when will he be traded?
2) who are currently the most likely partners (we've heard 5 teams mentioned before)?
3) what are we likely go accept for him?[/quote]

1. I'm guessing my day 2 of the draft at the latest
2. Bills, Raiders, Jaguars, Panthers (in that order)
3. Between a 3rd and 5th (or some combination)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;687108]why would Denver want Campbell,Orton and Quinn?[/quote]

JC is an upgrade over either, ESPECIALLY Quinn.

I doubt they'd want another new QB though this offseason though, they already picked up a big name (small game) QB with Brady Quinn.

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[quote=SmootSmack;687121]1. I'm guessing my day 2 of the draft at the latest
2. Bills, Raiders, Jaguars, Panthers (in that order)
3. Between a 3rd and 5th (or some combination)[/quote]

thanks for the info. Raiders would definitely be the best deal for us, as their picks are higher. Panthers would probably be the best opportunity for Campbell.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;687126]thanks for the info. Raiders would definitely be the best deal for us, as their picks are higher. Panthers would probably be the best opportunity for Campbell.[/quote]

Best opportunity!? it's the same situation. Good running game, below average line, only one good receiver.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);687137]Best opportunity!? it's the same situation. Good running game, below average line, only one good receiver.[/quote]

horrible, meddling owner. horrible head coach. that may have accurately described the 2008 and 2009 redskins, but its no longer the case here. i'm pretty sure no one will trade anything of value for campbell unless that team gets a reasonable assurance from campbell that he'd sign an extension with the team. no way campbell does that with oakland.

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

I agree. If he doesn't mind the bitter slice of humble pie that comes with the #2 QB slot, i would LOVE him backing up Donovan McNabb. Unless the o-line is drasticly improved, McNabb won't last that long. Not that he's a stranger to 40+ sack seasons, he isn't getting younger. I just guess we'll have to wait and hope we do a lot during the time of the draft with rookies and trades to get a better o-line for McNabb

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kjohnsoncsn via twitter

Jason Campbell tells me he doesn't know if he'll attend mini camp;it's voluntary; He's still exploring trade opport's 2 be starter somewhere

Re: Why Jason Campbell should stay in DC.
 

this is a good thread, considering the lull before the draft. for all those that don't want to talk about JC at least it's not the same old he's good v. get rid of him debate; we're now talking about what's best for him more so than the skins.

I like the intent of the first post; that his career will be better if he stays. Given McNabb's age & potential for injury the #2 job here might see some serious time. I'm hoping that he stays & ends up winning some games for us, reclaims the starting job & re-signs. I realize that is highly unlikely though.

At this point it's purely fate as to how his career pans out, he's not good enough to excel in sub-par circumstances, such as he's had here. I think the possibilities have been thrown out there in this thread & when you look around the league, Oakland really is the most in need. Cleveland I guess is too. He's young, so what looks bad now might be alright in a couple of years. I don't see any team giving him much more than a 2 year deal either, so if & when he leaves DC, there's a good chance it won't be his last time going to another team.

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[quote=Beneil (diehard since 87);687137]Best opportunity!? it's the same situation. Good running game, below average line, only one good receiver.[/quote]

That would not be the case, Panthers have a line that I wish we have. The running game has to be one of the top 3 in football. They do however have only one receiver.

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I believe the Panthers are committed to Matt Moore for the foreseeable future, and the Raiders like Gronkowski. I don't think any teams will give him a real shot at winning a starting role this year, except maybe as a caretaker to a high draft pick. I think he may want to leave just because of everything that happened here, but if he really looks around the league, he might realize this is his best option. I think Shanahan really wants him here as a dependable back-up and capable starter. He is not worth trading for a 4th round pick in my opinion.

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Big,

Denver may not be interested in him, it's more about what we could package to get Marshall, ie; JC & Landry for Marshall.

It was my understanding JC was interested in Carolina cause they had a decent OL and were far better then the other teams, besides Denver.

Bills simply need a QB.

Raiders are not totally content with Russel. JC would be a nice back up or starter if Russel falters.

I forgot about the Jaguars. They too could use a decent QB.

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[quote=jdc65;687175]I believe the Panthers are committed to Matt Moore for the foreseeable future, and the Raiders like Gronkowski. I don't think any teams will give him a real shot at winning a starting role this year, except maybe as a caretaker to a high draft pick. I think he may want to leave just because of everything that happened here, but if he really looks around the league, he might realize this is his best option. I think Shanahan really wants him here as a dependable back-up and capable starter. He is not worth trading for a 4th round pick in my opinion.[/quote]

My problem is I see him as being worth a 1st round pick. He's started for us for how many yrs now? He's a starter. But then I take my reality check pill and realize no one is going to give that for him. We need a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick to fill out our draft. Other then that I'd keep him and make him a glorified back up and hope McNabb doesn't get hurt but know we have a very good backup.

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Jason's contract was just extended for a year. Of course he could still be traded, but if not, he's ours for another season.

[QUOTE][url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3137]Jason Campbell[/url]

[B]Redskins re-signed restricted free agent QB Jason Campbell to a one-year, $3.14 million contract.
[/B]
Campbell, 28, posted career highs in completion rate (64.5), touchdown passes (20), passing yards (3,618), and yards-per-attempt average (7.1) last season. He'd be an upgrade as a starter for numerous teams, and will be on the trade block over draft weekend. In search of an athletic passer with a big enough arm to cut through the Buffalo wind, the Bills should have Campbell on their radar. The Raiders, Jaguars, and Panthers may also have interest.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=Buster;687403]Jason's contract was just extended for a year. Of course he could still be traded, but if not, he's ours for another season.[/quote] Nice!

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My biggest concern with the QB position now is in having the best back-up that we can get. I think Campbell is that guy, but am worried that either Shanahan will 'give' him away for a meaningless pick, or Campbell strongly requests a trade to get away from DC.
A quality back-up QB is a huge 'need' for any team, but especially for us with an aging, injury prone McNabb, and a less than stellar offensive line.

In my opinion, a 3rd round pick is a quality pick where we can expect to get a starter, but when you get into the 4th or later rounds, we're dealing with back-ups and special teamers. Many teams will spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick just to get a quality back-up QB.
Shanahan should keep Campbell, and Jason should choose to stay here and compete.