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I thought that with the QB's falling that it would be harder to move JC but it still seems like it's a sellers market for QB's, at least in terms of getting SOMETHING.

[B]Who wants Jimmy?[/B]

[LIST][*]34. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min"]Minnesota Vikings[/URL]: Franchise QB of the future?[*]36. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan"]Kansas City Chiefs[/URL]: Former ND head coach Charlie Weis is he new offensive coordinator.[*]38. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle"]Cleveland Browns[/URL]: Lot of smoke-screens emanating from Mike Holmgren; how much does he really like Jimmy?[*]39. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak"]Oakland Raiders[/URL]: Passed on a QB in the first, but still need one.[*]41. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf"]Buffalo Bills[/URL]: Like the Raiders, still need a new QB.[*]48. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car"]Carolina Panthers[/URL]: Belief now is that they might make a play for [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13199"]Colt McCoy[/URL]; could target Clausen for similar reasons.[*]49. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sfo"]San Francisco 49ers[/URL]: It was thought he wouldn't get past the Niners in the first. Will they move up to snag him now?[/LIST]They can't all end up with Clausen and McCoy.

Also can we take a moment to appreciate the 49ers line? If you wanted to know how the JC experiment would have gone by just loading up on O-Lineman then watch San Fran this year with Alex Smith. Still it's easily going to be the best line in the league in a year or two. Also keep in mind that I said a few years ago that the Jets would have the best line in the league after they drafted Nick Mangold and Fergusion.

Anyway here's the 49ers line as it stands right now.

LT - Joe Staley - One of the better LT's in the league.
LG - Mike Iupati - I hate his holding habits but he's still got the skillset to succeed in this league at a high level
C- Eric Heitmann - Savy vet thats not spectacular but solid.
RG - Chilo Rachel - Former 2nd round pick. Has been somewhat of a disapointment so far but still has the talent to succeed. Maybe now he'll play better being part of a better offensive front.
RT - Anthony Davis - He had great potential as a LT, but as a RT...wow.

Oh yeah, they also have Barry Sims, Adam Snyder, David Bass, and the guy they liked from Ohio State (Alex Boone) as backups.

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693055]I agree with that, unless we traded him for a pick in 2011, which just wouldnt make sense. Our best option is to keep him, hope he gets in line and plays well in the scheme. if he doesnt, we can try to trade him next year.[/quote]

Trading away 2011 picks MIGHT not be the worst idea. I'm hearing that next years class will be weak because a lot of the best players came out for this draft thanks to pending labor negotiations. And at the same time I'm hearing that this is the best draft to come along in a while.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693055]I agree with that, unless we traded him for a pick in 2011, which just wouldnt make sense. Our best option is to keep him, hope he gets in line and plays well in the scheme. if he doesnt, we can try to trade him next year.[/quote]

Yes!! And with the prospect of a lockout to begin the 2011 season, we'll have plenty of time to try and figure out what to do with him.

Actuall I think it's going to be a moot point because I believe Haynesworth will come to camp in much better shape than last year and make a major impact on the defense.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;693060]I thought that with the QB's falling that it would be harder to move JC but it still seems like it's a sellers market for QB's, at least in terms of getting SOMETHING.

[B]Who wants Jimmy?[/B]

[LIST][*]34. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min"]Minnesota Vikings[/URL]: Franchise QB of the future?[*]36. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan"]Kansas City Chiefs[/URL]: Former ND head coach Charlie Weis is he new offensive coordinator.[*]38. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=cle"]Cleveland Browns[/URL]: Lot of smoke-screens emanating from Mike Holmgren; how much does he really like Jimmy?[*]39. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=oak"]Oakland Raiders[/URL]: Passed on a QB in the first, but still need one.[*]41. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=buf"]Buffalo Bills[/URL]: Like the Raiders, still need a new QB.[*]48. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=car"]Carolina Panthers[/URL]: Belief now is that they might make a play for [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13199"]Colt McCoy[/URL]; could target Clausen for similar reasons.[*]49. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=sfo"]San Francisco 49ers[/URL]: It was thought he wouldn't get past the Niners in the first. Will they move up to snag him now?[/LIST]They can't all end up with Clausen and McCoy.

Also can we take a moment to appreciate the 49ers line? If you wanted to know how the JC experiment would have gone by just loading up on O-LIneman then watch San Fran this year with Alex Smith. Still it's easily going to be the best line in the league in a year or two. Also keep in mind that I said a few years ago that the Jets would have the best line in the league after they drafted Nick Mangold and Fergusion.

Anyway here's the 49ers line as it stands right now.

LT - Joe Staley - One of the better LT's in the league.
LG - Mike Iupati - I hate his holding habits but he's still got the skillset to succeed in this league at a high level
C- Eric Heitmann - Savy vet thats not spectacular but solid.
RG - Chilo Rachel - Former 2nd round pick. Has been somewhat of a disapointment so far but still has the talent to succeed. Maybe now he'll play better being part of a better offensive front.
RT - Anthony Davis - He had great potential as a LT, but as a RT...wow.[/quote]

Sure, most of these teams might want a QB but as I see it only 2 of them really need a QB.

Minnesota has TJ who has started for them before and possibly would have won the starting job had Favre not returned.

KC just spent all of that money on Matt Cassell and have yet to invest in his protection.

The Browns much like us have bought themselves some time by signing Jake Delhome

The Carolina Panthers believe that they have something in Matt Moore, otherwise why release Delhome. Don't feed m the Uncapped year BS there is more to it than that.

San Fran still has some faith in Alex Smith and they are going to give him another year to show up. Besides they have already passed on a QB yesterday.

So like I said, only Oakland and Buffalo truly need a QB. Truly only Oakland really needs one but Buffalo is the close second to the "need" category.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;693004]If these guys just stay with their 1 yr. tenders and are UFAs next year, how does that help us? [B]They go into the open market and we get nothing for them.[/B] Or they become more valuable and we have to pay more to keep them.[/quote]

If the next CBA still has compensatory picks, then we'd get picks for them.

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[quote=tootergray34;693044]I'm sure skins FO is frantically on the phone trying to move up. At least this is what JLC believes to be true.[/quote]

link?

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IF they really like Clausen, McCoy or Lefevor (sp?) then it's worth it to make a deal to nab them even if we don't get "value" for AH. If they really feel one of these guys could be the qb of the future, I think you make the deal.

I thought Gibbs' trade for JC was a good one. Sure, it didn't pan out that JC is a franchise qb, but the price of getting a qb of the future is worth it because you need to have one in place to prepare asap. Unless that guy is C. Brennan & they don't want to re-sign JC, then I'm sure they're still looking at the qb's in this draft.

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[quote=Buster;693036]Haynesworth is staying for sure now.

The Lions and Titans were interested and both selected D-Linemen. Also, Fisher said outright that the talks about Big Al are over.[/quote]

There were other teams interested, and at least one still is. I think we should know by 7pm

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[quote=SmootSmack;693074]There were other teams interested, and at least one still is. I think we should know by 7pm[/quote]
7pm? 7minute rounds, so it's in the top 8 of the round? are you gonna start posting song titles to help us figure it out?

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[quote=freddyg12;693069]IF they really like Clausen, McCoy or Lefevor (sp?) then it's worth it to make a deal to nab them even if we don't get "value" for AH. If they really feel one of these guys could be the qb of the future, I think you make the deal.

I thought Gibbs' trade for JC was a good one. Sure, it didn't pan out that JC is a franchise qb, but the price of getting a qb of the future is worth it because you need to have one in place to prepare asap. Unless that guy is C. Brennan & they don't want to re-sign JC, then [B]I'm sure they're still looking at the qb's in this draft.[/B][/quote]

Like John Skelton or Jevan Snead? :)

Shameless plug: [url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5107628]Sport Science: Jevan Snead - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=doughtydoubter;692942]personally, i think this is a good time to expunge some players. get rid of jc, fat al, and whomever isnt going to fit long term plans for this team. granted the values of these guys may be 5ths or later, but..get some value.
hopefully they dont trade for clausen though[/quote] First off no team is going to give a 2-5 pick for JC. Just not going to happen. As for Fat Al there might be a outside chance we could get a pick. Facts are that unless we give up more picks in 2011 draft we are not picking in rounds 2-3 today. I think Allen and coach know that sometimes it's best to pay the prise of bad moves of the past[trading picks] and move on. As for Al make him come in and work for the money. If he dosen't like it let him be the waterboy! He payed a lot of money and it's time to be a man and a Pro football player. Facts are if he dose well that is the fastest way out of here. But to be a problem just makes it harder for him and the Redskins and No one wins there!

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[quote=credskinsrule;693077]7pm? 7minute rounds, so it's in the top 8 of the round? Are you gonna start posting song titles to help us figure it out?[/quote]

lol!

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I just want the 'Skins to do something today but, not too desperate.

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[quote=freddyg12;693069]IF they really like Clausen, McCoy or Lefevor (sp?) then it's worth it to make a deal to nab them even if we don't get "value" for AH. If they really feel one of these guys could be the qb of the future, I think you make the deal.

I thought Gibbs' trade for JC was a good one. Sure, it didn't pan out that JC is a franchise qb, but the price of getting a qb of the future is worth it because you need to have one in place to prepare asap. Unless that guy is C. Brennan & they don't want to re-sign JC, then I'm sure they're still looking at the qb's in this draft.[/quote] To trade up If some one was to give us something for AH I wouldn't go after a QB here. It's OL! Or trade down to get another 3rd and pick OL and LB. Facts are QB is set with what we have unless someone is willing to give us something for JC[Not going to happen]. QB of the future is in drafts to come unless there is someone later in Saturdays part of the draft that coach likes!

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[quote=Angry;693064]Sure, most of these teams might want a QB but as I see it only 2 of them really need a QB.

Minnesota has TJ who has started for them before and possibly would have won the starting job had Favre not returned.

KC just spent all of that money on Matt Cassell and have yet to invest in his protection.

The Browns much like us have bought themselves some time by signing Jake Delhome

The Carolina Panthers believe that they have something in Matt Moore, otherwise why release Delhome. Don't feed m the Uncapped year BS there is more to it than that.

San Fran still has some faith in Alex Smith and they are going to give him another year to show up. Besides they have already passed on a QB yesterday.

[B]So like I said, only Oakland and Buffalo truly need a QB. Truly only Oakland really needs one but Buffalo is the close second to the "need" category[/B].[/quote]

If Buffalo doesn't get Clausen, then I think trading for JC might be a good move for them. I say that because I just can't envision Colt McCoy playing in windy Buffalo behind a suspect OL. Jason has a much stronger arm than McCoy and he can throw well against the wind. Also, he's much bigger than McCoy and has shown that he can take a hit - something that any Buffalo QB will have to do on a regular basis.

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[quote=Angry;693064]Sure, most of these teams might want a QB but as I see it only 2 of them really need a QB.

Minnesota has TJ who has started for them before and possibly would have won the starting job had Favre not returned.

KC just spent all of that money on Matt Cassell and have yet to invest in his protection.

The Browns much like us have bought themselves some time by signing Jake Delhome

The Carolina Panthers believe that they have something in Matt Moore, otherwise why release Delhome. Don't feed m the Uncapped year BS there is more to it than that.

San Fran still has some faith in Alex Smith and they are going to give him another year to show up. Besides they have already passed on a QB yesterday.

So like I said, only Oakland and Buffalo truly need a QB. Truly only Oakland really needs one but Buffalo is the close second to the "need" category.[/quote]


I disagree.

The Vikes have given TJ a shot and he did not keep the job. That's why they got Favre. I don't see him being a solution for a long term starter at QB in the eyes of the Vikings. Drafting Clausen #34 and giving him a year behind Favre and then turning it over to him with an already well established offense would be an ideal situation for them IMO.

I think the Browns signed Jake Delhome as a very temporary stop gap. It seems the best plan would be to draft a QB in this draft. Let me learn behind Jake for a season, or half a season if he falters early on, and then turn it over. I would feel much safer with Campbell as an option than Delhome.

The Panthers got rid of Delhome because he sucks, not b/c they have sooo much confidence in Moore IMO. I would feel safer about having Moore and Campbell instead of Moore by himself, who is an unproven players with the exception of a few good starts in relief.

I feel like there is a good enough market to move Campbell. I feel it would be best for him and the Redskins. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later in the 2nd round. HTTR.

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Vikes still have Sage don't they?

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[quote=Buster;693040]Miss my post? The two teams interested in Hayesworth are no longer interested.

He's staying...as he should. Haynesworth is an anchor for the defense. Opponents have to double-team him. If they don't, they're in trouble. However, when they do, they can't also double-team Orakpo. One of the other gets through most plays.[/quote] You are right. Unless some one is willing to part with a #2 Big Al is best to stay put. If he knowns what is good for him he will come in a be a world beater. Doing well will get him a trade faster then being a problem child! If he look past himself in this D [he will be move around inside and out] and should have a very good season. Also by being a Pro football player you never know what might be coming down the road. Things happen in the NFL in perseason. Look what happen to the Skins and the J.Taylor trade. Teams are willing to pay top dollar when a season is on top of them and they are a player away form saving a season!

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Minnesota, Miami and Oakland are the only teams that currently have picks in the top of round 2 that would make any sense: 1) Minnesota because Haynesworth could really push them over the top, 2) Miami because Miami could use Haynesworth and is closer to being a contender than most people think, and 3) Oakland because Al Davis is stupid.

I must say, i'd take a certain pleasure in Haynesworth being shipped to Oakland. He'd leave a 3-4 defense with a team on the rise for a 3-4 defense with an insane owner and a coaching staff more incompetent than the one Haynesworth played for last year. Al Davis, please send us your 2nd and 3rd round picks for Haynesworth and Campbell.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;693086]If Buffalo doesn't get Clausen, then I think trading for JC might be a good move for them. I say that because I just can't envision Colt McCoy playing in windy Buffalo behind a suspect OL. Jason has a much stronger arm than McCoy and he can throw well against the wind. Also, he's much bigger than McCoy and has shown that he can take a hit - something that any Buffalo QB will have to do on a regular basis.[/quote]

I dont see Campbell as being much of an upgrade over Trent Edwards.

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[quote=RedskinPete;693085][B]To trade up If some one was to give us something for AH I wouldn't go after a QB here. It's OL! [/B]Or trade down to get another 3rd and pick OL and LB. Facts are QB is set with what we have unless someone is willing to give us something for JC[Not going to happen]. QB of the future is in drafts to come unless there is someone later in Saturdays part of the draft that coach likes![/quote]

I'd love to see the Skins find a way to add Charles Brown to the team. He is a very athletic OT who seems to me to be a very good fit for Sanahan's offense. We'd get a lot better fast on the OL with Trent and Charles. That would make me very happy with the draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;693091]Vikes still have Sage don't they?[/quote]

Yeah, but he's no Jake Plummer.

On a side note, i'm starting to think McCoy is going to get drafted before Clausen.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693096]I dont see Campbell as being much of an upgrade over Trent Williams.[/quote]

I'm guessing you mean Trent Edwards.

His stock has bottomed out in Buffalo. I think at this point they just want to go in a different direction. JC at least is more mobile and has the bigger arm.

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come on smoot! give out the goods baby! I'm sittin' on needles here!

great work so far with your leads though, much appreciated.

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[quote=RedskinPete;693085]To trade up If some one was to give us something for AH I wouldn't go after a QB here. It's OL! Or trade down to get another 3rd and pick OL and LB. Facts are QB is set with what we have unless someone is willing to give us something for JC[Not going to happen]. QB of the future is in drafts to come unless there is someone later in Saturdays part of the draft that coach likes![/quote]

Players I would look at are another OL, LB and QB. The LB's that I like are Koa Missi and Brandon Spikes, we could get a sleeper QB in the 5th by picking Kafka.

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[quote=Mattyk;693099]I'm guessing you mean Trent Edwards.

His stock has bottomed out in Buffalo. I think at this point they just want to go in a different direction. JC at least is more mobile and has the bigger arm.[/quote]

LOL, i'll edit my post. I'd think they'd view him the same way we viewed Campbell a couple years ago... or do Buffalo fans not make up as many excuses for their QBs as we do here?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693096]I dont see Campbell as being much of an upgrade over [B]Trent Williams[/B].[/quote]

I sure hope they aren't considering putting JC at LT ;)

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Hearing Benn to Rams, Mays to Vikings, Golden Tate to Bucs at this moment. Could change of course

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[quote=SmootSmack;693104]Hearing Benn to Rams, Mays to Vikings, Golden Tate to Bucs at this moment. Could change of course[/quote]

What's Miami doing?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;693097]I'd love to see the Skins find a way to add Charles Brown to the team. He is a very athletic OT who seems to me to be a very good fit for Sanahan's offense. We'd get a lot better fast on the OL with Trent and Charles. That would make me very happy with the draft.[/quote]

If we trade Haynesworth and pick up a 2nd, i coudnt see us using it on Brown or Saffold. Starting two rookie OTs to protect an older injury-prone QB seems risky. i think a better option would probably be to sign Flozell (he can play LT this year if Williams needs a year on the right side) and use the hypothetical 2nd rounder on Nate Allen, Taylor Mays, or Arellious Benn.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693077]7pm? 7minute rounds, so it's in the top 8 of the round? are you gonna start posting song titles to help us figure it out?[/quote]

I may have been mistaken. Might be closer to 8pm. Whatever, we should know at some point tonight. Hoping to get an update soon.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693105]What's Miami doing?[/quote]

Um Kindle? What am I Smootstradamus?

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There has been talk on ESPN that the Saints are talking to the Redskins about Big Al. I don't know about that. Even if they gave thier 2nd and 3rd would you do that trade being they are picking last in each round?

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[quote=SmootSmack;693109]I may have been mistaken. Might be closer to 8pm. Whatever, we should know at some point tonight. Hoping to get an update soon.[/quote]

Oh, Carolina makes much more sense. Haynesworth , Kelly, and Campbell for the Panthers 2nd, 3rd, and a 2011 pick would be nice. They could conceivably help John Fox enough to help him keep his job beyond 2010.

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[quote=diehard;693084]I just want the 'Skins to do something today but, not too desperate.[/quote]

The sight of your post made me laugh.

[IMG]http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9873/quoten.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=RedskinPete;693111]There has been talk on ESPN that the Saints are talking to the Redskins about Big Al. I don't know about that. Even if they gave thier 2nd and 3rd would you do that trade being they are picking last in each round?[/quote]

Wow, for a second and third...that's tempting.

The Saints D would be insane with him added to it.

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[quote=RedskinPete;693111]There has been talk on ESPN that the Saints are talking to the Redskins about Big Al. I don't know about that. Even if they gave thier 2nd and 3rd would you do that trade being they are picking last in each round?[/quote]

absolutely not. I'd send them Haynesworth and McIntosh for their 2nd, Bushrod, and a 5th rounder though (5th rounders are so trendy).

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693112]Oh, Carolina makes much more sense. Haynesworth , Kelly, and Campbell for the Panthers 2nd, 3rd, and a 2011 pick would be nice. They could conceivably help John Fox enough to help him keep his job beyond 2010.[/quote]

Who said anything about Carolina? Kelly isn't really on the market. He was only in brief discussions for Marshall, but they're not shopping him around. Campbell isn't likely to get us more than a 6th at this point

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[quote=RedskinPete;693111]There has been talk on ESPN that the Saints are talking to the Redskins about Big Al. I don't know about that. Even if they gave thier 2nd and 3rd would you do that trade being they are picking last in each round?[/quote]

That would be like a 3rd and a 4th. Just say No!! unless Jaamal Brown is also included.

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[quote=Buster;693114]Wow, for a second and third...that's tempting.

The Saints D would be insane with him added to it.[/quote]

yeah but towards the end of the round? I'd say a 2nd this year and a
2nd in 2011 would be better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;693116]Who said anything about Carolina? Kelly isn't really on the market. He was only in brief discussions for Marshall, but they're not shopping him around. Campbell isn't likely to get us more than a 6th at this point[/quote]

Ok, so its not Carolina (they were the only 4-3 team picking around 8PM so that was my guess). I only mentioned Campbell and Kelly because Carolina also needs a WR and QB. Figured maybe we could package them all together and get something worthwhile. Glad to hear the Kelly talk isnt serious any more. I have high hopes for him.