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ProFootball Draft says;

Riley is a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none.

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The guy hasn't played a down yet and already everyone wants to take him out back Old Yeller Style. He was a good player at LSU, and I am not letting my Tiger bias stand in the way.

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Now that we know how the new regime uses their 4th round picks....aren't we glad we didn't trade players for 4th round picks?

If we trade...I want players in return....nothing like a LB that cant cover and bites on play action...sounds like a Landry type without instincts or raw talent...I bet we could have gotten this guy in the 6th

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[quote=freddyg12;693793]After reading about Riley, the pick makes more sense, they will probably look to use him as an ILB. Still, if you want to take a guy that is a "project" B. Campbell seems to have much greater upside.[/quote]

I imagine he is going to be trained as Fletch's replacement, but will be a ST'er this year.

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[quote=skinsnut;693799]Now that we know how the new regime uses their 4th round picks....aren't we glad we didn't trade players for 4th round picks?

If we trade...I want players in return....nothing like a LB that cant cover and bites on play action...sounds like a Landry type without instincts or raw talent...I bet we could have gotten this guy in the 6th[/quote]

I am going to throw in that we have a very good LB Coach, and if he said this is the guy I want (speculation) then I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's not think that Campbell was going to be a perennial probowler. He may or may not succeed, I still think we are going to have several more OL on the roster before training camp.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;693790]I was just going to ask if the Skins thought he would not get drafted or would fall farther down. [B]Again my only concern was the experts said he doesn't bend his knees and gets beat because of it.[/B] He would have to work on that as well as learn to block from the other side. That might have been a stretch for him. But I would have prefered they take an actual RT over Riley.

[B]They must be happy with the thought of using the other Tackles we have on the right side.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Are you kidding me?
How hard is it to teach technique at the pro level....UGH...

and regarding who is RT....exactly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693804]I am going to throw in that we have a very good LB Coach, and if he said this is the guy I want (speculation) then I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's not think that Campbell was going to be a perennial probowler. He may or may not succeed, I still think we are going to have several more OL on the roster before training camp.[/quote]

nope your wrong we will cut riley before the 53 man roster and trade trent williams for b campbell

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[quote=freddyg12;693793]After reading about Riley, the pick makes more sense, they will probably look to use him as an ILB. Still, if you want to take a guy that is a "project" B. Campbell seems to have much greater upside.[/quote]

Ok so they move him to MLB. We have Fletcher and I would have thought Blades would have taken over for Fletcher. So is this a possible end to Blades being with us? What about the 2 LB's we picked up last yr? I thought we kept atleast one of them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693804]I am going to throw in that we have a very good LB Coach, and if he said this is the guy I want (speculation) then I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's not think that Campbell was going to be a perennial probowler. He may or may not succeed, I still think we are going to have several more OL on the roster before training camp.[/quote]

He may not be a pro bowler...and we may have more OL but any with raw ability, agility speed that is 1st round grade level.
You cannot train physcial ability...you can certainly train technique.

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I would like to see an extended list of 'best available'.

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[quote=mlmdub130;693810]nope your wrong we will cut riley before the 53 man roster and trade trent williams for b campbell[/quote]

LOL, you are so right! Silly that I would think the coaching staff might have a better idea of what they need then me here on my computer! I think next year the Skins should just have a live draft poll, and us fans can pick the players!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693819]LOL, you are so right! Silly that I would think the coaching staff might have a better idea of what they need then me here on my computer! [B]I think next year the Skins should just have a live draft poll, and us fans can pick the players[/B]![/quote]

sweet!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsnut;693817]He may not be a pro bowler...and we may have more OL but any with raw ability, agility speed that is 1st round grade level.
You cannot train physcial ability...you can certainly train technique.[/quote]

well if a guy is trainable you can train technique, but there is a lot of question as to whether a guy who plays bad for years at Md is actually capable of being trained up.

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[quote=skinsnut;693809][QUOTE=SBXVII;693790]I was just going to ask if the Skins thought he would not get drafted or would fall farther down. [B]Again my only concern was the experts said he doesn't bend his knees and gets beat because of it.[/B] He would have to work on that as well as learn to block from the other side. That might have been a stretch for him. But I would have prefered they take an actual RT over Riley.

[B]They must be happy with the thought of using the other Tackles we have on the right side.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Are you kidding me?
How hard is it to teach technique at the pro level....UGH...

and regarding who is RT....exactly.[/quote]

Seeing that there are alot of players that still suck after all this "technique" training. Its not as easy as you think.

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I can't believe jc hasn't been traded yet.. Buf or oak should have gave us a 4th for him. Hell he may end up being cut after all

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Giants just got Phillip Dillard ILB from Nebraska....If we wanted one, we should have gotten that guy...who do you think is better at drafting defensive talent?
Skins or the Giants....hmmm....his issues were injury related

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Riley may be a good player. Campbell and OT is a greater need but looking at Cambells tape he looked very bad. Head down,slow and very little drive. But what the Riley pick said to me this is a team with so many needs that one draft with 4 picks isn't going to make this team a play-off team! To make it to the play-offs we need much more... 2 OL[RT&G] RB[next draft] ,QB[next draft] ,NT and LB. If this team makes to 8-8 that will be something! The OL is bad and changing our D to a 3-4 makes it even harder to win in 2010. Face facts we are a few years away from winning the NFC east!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693819]LOL, you are so right! Silly that I would think the coaching staff might have a better idea of what they need then me here on my computer! I think next year the Skins should just have a live draft poll, and us fans can pick the players![/quote] We might have done better then Vinny! Lets face it Vinny and Dan S killed this team with trading away picks and bad picks! Its going to take at least 2 more draft to get us a play-off team!

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I was going to vote other for a return man DB or a tweener DE/LB, and that was the pick. They have to move forward assuming Rocky is going to hold out, so grab a guy to replace him, or someone who will develop while we use our current DE/LB type(Wilson)

I think all of our picks will be for Special teams players and development players. Campbell would have been a fine development pick, but actually the OL is sort of crowded with all of the right tackles on the roster(Heyer, Hicks, Rinehart, and BMW)

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Right now we have....

Blades
Bowen
Fletcher
Gatewood
Henson
Orakpo
Young
and now Riley

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[quote=skinsnut;693826]Giants just got Phillip Dillard ILB from Nebraska....If we wanted one, we should have gotten that guy...who do you think is better at drafting defensive talent?
Skins or the Giants....hmmm....his issues were injury related[/quote]

Well we really don't know how well this FO drafts, since they have no record together. As for the Giants, I can't really say I would be happy by their draft if I was a Giants fan. How much of their resources the past 2 years has been spent on front 7. Too much in my opinion.

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Right now this is how the line shapes up according to Chris Foerster...

Artis Hicks at RT
Mike Williams at RG
Casey Rabach at C
Doc at LG
Trent Williams at LT

Article below...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/23/AR2010042304968.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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^ I think Boswell said it well in his column Friday. The skins are headed in the right direction, but adding McNabb and a couple of draft picks isn't going to make this team a contender overnight...it's going to require patience and time.

The pick makes sense if you think Riley was the best potential ILB on the board to supplement Fletcher and Blades. We need more depth there in a 3-4 alignment, so I can see the need.

Boswell indicated 7-9 as a realistic goal this year given our strength of schedule

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I still can't believe we didint grab another OL player, but I am really putting my trust in this new FO, so I like it I guess!?!?!?

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The reason I am pissed is now we still have unresolved RT issues...would Bruce Campbell have started? probably not...but could midway through the season...the other advantage of a guy like this is his is very fast and could arguably also be a solid backup LT after a year or so...Campbell should be a starting RT in a year.

Now we are still stuck with Heyer at RT and that new guy Artis Hicks...who is really a Guard...but that cant be a viable solution.

PLAN B:
now we will have to trade a player or 2 for Jammal Brown...which wouldn't be bad at all but he is 29 and will cost a ton of cash and a good amount of talent loss in personnel...then Trent Williams can play RT for a while.

PLAN C:
OR...we go after old scraps like Flozell Adams to play RT....this is looking more likely now

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[quote=skinsnut;693809][QUOTE=SBXVII;693790]I was just going to ask if the Skins thought he would not get drafted or would fall farther down. [B]Again my only concern was the experts said he doesn't bend his knees and gets beat because of it.[/B] He would have to work on that as well as learn to block from the other side. That might have been a stretch for him. But I would have prefered they take an actual RT over Riley.

[B]They must be happy with the thought of using the other Tackles we have on the right side.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Are you kidding me?
How hard is it to teach technique at the pro level....UGH...

and regarding who is RT....exactly.[/quote]


Maybe I am making more out of the LT/RT position. I look at it as if I'm a right handed boxer. I jab with my left, throw the heavy punch with my rigth. Then all of a sudden someone wants me to box left handed. I have to change my stance, change my jab, and build up my heavy punch. Plus learn the play calls. It just sound difficult to me.

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[quote=skinsnut;693840]The reason I am pissed is now we still have unresolved RT issues...would Bruce Campbell have started? probably not...but could midway through the season...the other advantage of a guy like this is his is very fast and could arguably also be a solid backup LT after a year or so...Campbell should be a starting RT in a year.

[B]Now we are still stuck with Heyer at RT and that new guy Artis Hicks...who is really a Guard...but that cant be a viable solution.[/B]

PLAN B:
now we will have to trade a player or 2 for Jammal Brown...which wouldn't be bad at all but he is 29 and will cost a ton of cash and a good amount of talent loss in personnel...then Trent Williams can play RT for a while.

PLAN C:
OR...we go after old scraps like Flozell Adams to play RT....this is looking more likely now[/quote]


Artis Hicks is RT according to Chris Forester.

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[quote=SeanTaylor21SKINS;693836]Right now this is how the line shapes up according to Chris Foerster...

Artis Hicks at RT
Mike Williams at RG
Casey Rabach at C
Doc at LG
Trent Williams at LT[/quote]

I really think that is a solid upgrade from last year, but since this FO has brought competition to every other position, I don't see how we are done adding to this line, both in the draft, by UDFA's and FA. Yes this does sound eerily similar, but I think the difference is that the previous FO tried to pinpoint one player and say that's our guy, MS is working on building a team. The actions may look similar, but the plan and the end product hopefully are vastly different.

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[quote=skinsnut;693766]I can't believe we passed on Bruce Campbell...now we need to trade away a player to get a decent OT, either that or get an old castoff....we could have been set at oline for years and they pick a no name olb?
They needed to strike gold...that had it in their hands and blew it.
Im pissed![/quote]

I watch a lot of MD football and BC was not a very consistent player. If not for his impressive combine numbers you're talking about another Stephon Heyer. If he can reach his potential then it's a great pick for Oakland.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693834][B]Well we really don't know how well this FO drafts, since they have no record together.[/B] As for the Giants, I can't really say I would be happy by their draft if I was a Giants fan. How much of their resources the past 2 years has been spent on front 7. Too much in my opinion.[/quote]

I'm fairly certain that most of the college scouting department is the same as in the Vinny days. Bruce Allen would certainly have to depend on their judgement for late draft picks. I don't think we have done too well beyond the 2nd round with this crew...ok...a squirel found a nut with Horton once and Golston was good, but the other 20 or so later picks the last 5 years have generally not panned out.

Please correct me if I am wrong regarding the college scouts.
Where is Smootsmack when you need him?

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[quote=SBXVII;693832]Right now we have....

Blades
Bowen
Fletcher
Gatewood
Henson
Orakpo
Young
and now Riley[/quote]

Railey played with Landry At LSU. He looks to be a inside guy. Runs well for a big guy from side line to side line. Good hitter that strikes well when tackling. So so in the pass but will not be asked a great deal if he useed inside in a 3-4. Strong point- has a nose for the ball and get through traffic. Looks to be a strong special teams guy! Sounds a lot Blades!

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[quote=Mc2guy;693837]^ I think Boswell said it well in his column Friday. The skins are headed in the right direction, but adding McNabb and a couple of draft picks isn't going to make this team a contender overnight...it's going to require patience and time.

The pick makes sense if you think Riley was the best potential ILB on the board to supplement Fletcher and Blades. We need more depth there in a 3-4 alignment, so I can see the need.

Boswell indicated 7-9 as a realistic goal this year given our strength of schedule[/quote]
Sounds about right. Vinny and Dan S just killed this team. I am not a fan of the 3-4 and you need a beast at NT for it to work well. Pluse 4 strong fast LB's. I hate to say this but the O might be better then the D for first 8 games of the season!

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[quote=SeanTaylor21SKINS;693842]Artis Hicks is RT according to Chris Forester.[/quote]

Technically he is a guard according to the roster...he basically plays every position....ya know...an ideal backup. However, I have not seen him play yet...is he servicable...probably...but so was Heyer...I was hoping for a more legitamate starter, either long term with training or someone that is a legit starter now...not some journeyman.

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Perry Riley's Combine:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816e3fd6]NFL Videos: 2010 Combine workout: Perry Riley[/url]

Some of his highlights:

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfldraft/Linebackers/19225244]Perry Riley, LB - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=skinsnut;693852]Technically he is a guard according to the roster...he basically plays every position....ya know...an ideal backup. However, I have not seen him play yet...is he servicable...probably...but so was Heyer...I was hoping for a more legitamate starter, either long term with training or someone that is a legit starter now...not some journeyman.[/quote]


Yeah it'd be great to have a more legitimate starter, but Hicks has had some big time experience including starting in a Superbowl... The O-Line will definitely be better this year.

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[quote=skinsnut;693847]I'm fairly certain that most of the college scouting department is the same as in the Vinny days. Bruce Allen would certainly have to depend on their judgement for late draft picks. I don't think we have done too well beyond the 2nd round with this crew...ok...a squirel found a nut with Horton once and Golston was good, but the other 20 or so later picks the last 5 years have generally not panned out.

Please correct me if I am wrong regarding the college scouts.
Where is Smootsmack when you need him?[/quote]

You are right about our scouting staff, but I don't really agree with the conclusion you draw. The scouting team may bring the information, but you still had Vinny JZ and Dan making the final selections from the data they presented. And that is what we don't know about this FO. Maybe the staff had presented good options, but Vinny clearly took guys for wrong reasons or personal likings (like the one LB last year). This FO is looking first and foremost at what it takes to build a whole team, at least that is the impression I get from all the moves together.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;693847]I'm fairly certain that most of the college scouting department is the same as in the Vinny days. Bruce Allen would certainly have to depend on their judgement for late draft picks. I don't think we have done too well beyond the 2nd round with this crew...ok...a squirel found a nut with Horton once and Golston was good, but the other 20 or so later picks the last 5 years have generally not panned out.


The facts are we have been very bad at taking middle to late picks. And if you are trading 2,3 and 4th rounders that leaves you with nothing! Love dan S money but he has killed this team for years to come. Vinny did to the 49ers that he did to us[Redskins]!

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[quote=skinsnut;693840]The reason I am pissed is now we still have unresolved RT issues...would Bruce Campbell have started? probably not...but could midway through the season...the other advantage of a guy like this is his is very fast and could arguably also be a solid backup LT after a year or so...Campbell should be a starting RT in a year.

Now we are still stuck with Heyer at RT and that new guy Artis Hicks...who is really a Guard...but that cant be a viable solution.

PLAN B:
now we will have to trade a player or 2 for Jammal Brown...which wouldn't be bad at all but he is 29 and will cost a ton of cash and a good amount of talent loss in personnel...then Trent Williams can play RT for a while.

PLAN C:
OR...we go after old scraps like Flozell Adams to play RT....this is looking more likely now[/quote]
Bruce Cambell doesn't have the skill set to play RT, he is strictly a LT. If we would've drafted Cambell we would've had to move Trent Williams to RT so Campbell could play LT and that wasn't going to happen.

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[quote=RMSkins;693863]Bruce Cambell doesn't have the skill set to play RT, he is strictly a LT. If we would've drafted Cambell we would've had to move Trent Williams to RT so Campbell could play LT and that wasn't going to happen.[/quote]

He doesn't have the skill set currently for either position.
RT is far easier to play than LT.
The issue with LT is ability based...speed agility, superior pass blocking capability. He needs to be trained up either way and if he can play left he can certainly play right....there is no way Trent Williams would shift to RT unless the skins sign a superior experience LT.

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[quote=skinsnut;693868]He doesn't have the skill set currently for either position.
RT is far easier to play than LT.
The issue with LT is ability based...speed agility, superior pass blocking capability. He needs to be trained up either way and if he can play left he can certainly play right....there is no way Trent Williams would shift to RT unless the skins sign a superior experience LT.[/quote]
I'm just glad we didn't draft Cambell. I think he's going to bust.