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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;700253]When healthy Westbrook is the more complete back. And since his role wouldn't be full time I could see BW playing a few more years and not making a hissy fit about it. CP is not going to be quiet about being a part time back.[/QUOTE]

When was he ever healthy though? :D

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[quote=Buster;700258]When was he ever healthy though? :D[/quote]

When has he ever been all that unhealthy
Westbrook games played by year

2009- 8 games
2008 14
2007 15
2006 15
2005 12
2004 13
2005 15
2004 15

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I think Portis and LJ will have a very productive season.

Westbrooks, I'll pass.

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I'm not going to put him in the backfield just yet, but if they want to bring him in for discussions of some type there's nothing wrong with that.

Unless there's a plan unseen I can't imagine how he would fit into an already crowded space. You just can't be sure about what you're getting with him anymore. When he was healthy and on his game, he's a player I would love to have.

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He brings a dynamic which we don't necessarily already have as far as a back very well known for his ability to come out of the backfield to receive. Not saying that we need the guy, but if it works out that we end up with him at this time or later I'm sure that Shanahan would love to design some stuff around him.

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[quote=Mattyk;700255]He hasn't made any noise about it so far. What is going to change?[/quote]

Cause it's May. Wait til a few games have been played and he'll be throwing someone under the bus if he's not getting the ball. No way this team is going to keep both CP and LJ.

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Think if we picked him up we would now have the two Eagles responsible for most of our losses to them over the past 7 or so years.

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^^agreed on that point.

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[quote=Buster;700258]When was he ever healthy though? :D[/quote]

Since 04 I'm sure Westbrook and CP are close to the amount of games they've played. I'd rather have Westbrook and give him 5-10 carries and use him more out of the backfield. Kinda like NE uses Faulk. Let Parker and LJ get the rest of the carries.

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I think that Brian Westbrook would be a much better third down back than Albert Haynesworth would be.

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Chris Russell said that Bruce Allen and he were already scheduled to talk at an area high school, so it's probably just a matter of convenience that they're talking now, as they could've met up at any other point withing the past couple of months.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;700280]I think that Brian Westbrook would be a much better third down back than Albert Haynesworth would be.[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;700280]I think that Brian Westbrook would be a much better third down back than Albert Haynesworth would be.[/quote]

We're playing Haynesworth at free safety, anyway.

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[quote=Lotus;700283]We're playing Haynesworth at free safety, anyway.[/quote]

And McNabb at TE. Our new starting QB is actually Ethan Albright. Orakpo is the new kicker and Kemo is the new punter.

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[quote=steveherrin;700261]When has he ever been all that unhealthy
Westbrook games played by year

2009- 8 games
2008 14
2007 15
2006 15
2005 12
2004 13
2005 15
2004 15[/quote]

Yeah. you just proved my point. Even when younger he never made it through an entire season.

Also, I'm not sure he can be as productive in a system that focuses more on the run (or at least doesn't pass 70% of the time like with Reid).

He was often the Eagles most productive receiver.

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[quote=Ruhskins;700288]And McNabb at TE. Our new starting QB is actually Ethan Albright. Orakpo is the new kicker and Kemo is the new punter.[/quote]

'Rak can probably kick the ball further than some of the kickers we've had...namely Suisham.

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might be useful as a 3rd down back for screens, but nothing else at this point

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I think this is a great idea...just like someone suggested an older WR helps out in training camp...specifically with running routes and playing Defense, Westbrook would certainly show when to release from the backfield.
McNabb to Westbrook is one of the greatest West coast QB/RB tandem in history...to show how that is done in practice is priceless...even if he doesn't make the team...imagine Roger Craig and Montana together showing a new team how it is done in training camp....

And think about this....yeah, he is old...but if the guy gets 5-8 carries a game instead of 25...think of how much less wear and tear that is.
I actually think he could be one of the most ideal 3rd down backs in the league...his only question is health....but didn't we gamble on Mike Williams?
And just think..he was a "BUST".
Westbrook has played at the highest level and was easily the most dangerous offensive threat to a team that has gotten to the NFC championship 5 times.

There is no way the eagles would have done that without Westbrook...they didn't have the WR's and RB's to do that without Westbrooks versitality.

Remember...players individually sometimes flop when going to new teams...but it is the teamwork that creates champions.

I say go for it...screw it...keep 5 RBs if you have to....we certainly are going to need someone to be a quick target for a pass with a projected weak Oline.
Have you ever seen Shanny with heavy RB experience?...it is the opposite of his MO...for good reason...he is compensating for the oline...

GO FOR IT...sign Westbrook....risk is near ZERO!

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Whatever the FO thinks is best I'm for, competition is a beautiful thing, he's had a few concussions thou.


HTTR.

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I agree with Skinsnut. In for a penny In for a pound. Plus I really wouldnt mind socking it to Philly with a couple of players they released "1 year sooner rather than later". I hate their FO and the praise they get for being absolutely uncaring about player loyalty, and if we could take them for a year and run it up their a** I would be ok with that. :)

PS I am not saying you don't take age into account, just that some players deserve a little loyalty (ie dawkins/westbrook/heck even McNabb)

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[quote=skinsnut;700318]I think this is a great idea...just like someone suggested an older WR helps out in training camp...specifically with running routes and playing Defense, Westbrook would certainly show when to release from the backfield.
McNabb to Westbrook is one of the greatest West coast QB/RB tandem in history...to show how that is done in practice is priceless...even if he doesn't make the team...imagine Roger Craig and Montana together showing a new team how it is done in training camp....

And think about this....yeah, he is old...but if the guy gets 5-8 carries a game instead of 25...think of how much less wear and tear that is.
[B]I actually think he could be one of the most ideal 3rd down backs in the league...[/B]his only question is health....but didn't we gamble on Mike Williams?
And just think..he was a "BUST".
Westbrook has played at the highest level and was easily the most dangerous offensive threat to a team that has gotten to the NFC championship 5 times.

There is no way the eagles would have done that without Westbrook...they didn't have the WR's and RB's to do that without Westbrooks versitality.

Remember...players individually sometimes flop when going to new teams...but it is the teamwork that creates champions.

I say go for it...screw it...keep 5 RBs if you have to....we certainly are going to need someone to be a quick target for a pass with a projected weak Oline.
Have you ever seen Shanny with heavy RB experience?...it is the opposite of his MO...for good reason...he is compensating for the oline...

GO FOR IT...sign Westbrook....risk is near ZERO![/quote]

I agree 100% and it's something this offense has been lacking for many years. A true pass catching threat coming out of the backfield that defenses must account for. As I mentioned before how long has Kevin Faulk been in New England doing this?? Westbrook would be the perfect fit here for that role. To me this is a no brainer.

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Imagine mcnabb in the shotgun, with portis and westbrook in the backfield moss and devin thomas as our WR's. You've got portis to block, and westbrook to catch in the backfield, and devin thomas and moss as deep threats. Thats sounds scary good to me.

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We haven't dropped a dime yet so I don't see the problem. Parker is most likely getting cut. Westbrook, Portis and LJ.

Spell all three of them and we should be ok.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;700336]Imagine mcnabb in the shotgun, with portis and westbrook in the backfield moss and devin thomas as our WR's. You've got portis to block, and westbrook to catch in the backfield, and devin thomas and moss as deep threats. Thats sounds scary good to me.[/quote]

I'm hoping that having Torain in the backfield comes to sound even scarier.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;700336]Imagine mcnabb in the shotgun, with portis and westbrook in the backfield moss and devin thomas as our WR's. You've got portis to block, and westbrook to catch in the backfield, and devin thomas and moss as deep threats. Thats sounds scary good to me.[/quote]

You forgot Fred Davis and Cooley as well...that is 6 Potential Receivers and a QB...our line cant block anyways...so just keep 4 in to block!...heck....last year they were essentially blocking with the equivelant of 3 decent linemen and 2 HOV lane dummies....flipping it to Westbrook would easily slow down the pass rush...now if only Westbrook could teach Portis how to release and catch well..we'd be set.

But as much as some of you guys think Parker is out...there is a distinct possibility that Westbrook could be brought in to "teach" parker on how to catch from the backfield like Westbrook did...i know Parkers speed is not that great but he still has flashes that Portis and Johnson do not have that are neccessary when catching a 2 yard pass out of the backfield.

The reality is that it would be highly unlikely that Westbrook would join the Skins for nothing more than a small shot at the 3rd RB role...why on earth would he want that?

Only 2 reasons....McNabb, and revenge on the Eagles for releasing him...and as someone else pointed out...they cut Dawkins too soon.... I am sure McNAbb and especially Westbrook are out to prove to the Eagles that they bailed on their stars a bit too early...that is REALLY motivating.
Keep in mind that Westbrook knows his top performance capability would come with McNabb since they can play catch with their eyes closed.

Outside of emotional reasons though...there is no legit business sense for Westbrook to join the Skins and we certainly aren't going to pay him high $.
He's got to make money...he is a year or two max from retirement...he's lucky to be playing this year if he can pull it off...concussions are scary

If he joins...I'd be thrilled....just not holding my breath.
He'd be a great fit considering all the factors.

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[quote=Lotus;700355]I'm hoping that having Torain in the backfield comes to sound even scarier.[/quote]

Who the heck is Torain?

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[quote=skinsnut;700358]Who the heck is Torain?[/quote]
better change your username :)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;700336]Imagine mcnabb in the shotgun, with portis and westbrook in the backfield moss and devin thomas as our WR's. You've got portis to block, and westbrook to catch in the backfield, and devin thomas and moss as deep threats. Thats sounds scary good to me.[/quote]

Imagine Joey Harrington at QB with Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams at Reciever. Marcus Pollard at Tight End and Kevin Jones at Running Back.

It's not that I don't think it can work, but just a word of warning that these sum of all parts scenarios usually play out a lot better on paper then they do in real life. It's great though that we finally have a QB. I'm looking forward to which random nobody breaks out and has a big year kind of like Pierre Garcon and Ben Utecht for the Colts in recent years.

The Westbrook scenario though reminds me of a timeless GTripp quote on par with Lotus's banned winning quote in that we are continuing to acquire players in our attempt to win the 2004 NFC East.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;700365]Imagine Joey Harrington at QB with Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, and Mike Williams at Reciever. Marcus Pollard at Tight End and Kevin Jones at Running Back.

It's not that I don't think it can work, but just a word of warning that these sum of all parts scenarios usually play out a lot better on paper then they do in real life. It's great though that we finally have a QB. I'm looking forward to which random nobody breaks out and has a big year kind of like Pierre Garcon and Ben Utecht for the Colts in recent years.

The Westbrook scenario though reminds me of a timeless GTripp quote on par with Lotus's banned winning quote in that we are continuing to acquire players in our attempt to win the 2004 NFC East.[/quote]
I definitely see where these statements are coming from, especially knowing that Shanahan wasn't exactly a perennial late-postseason attendant. However at this point there is no guarantee that all 3 of the current vets make it. I hope that Shan doesn't keep guys on based on previous merits, but we have yet to see even one season under his talent evaluation

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It probably should be mentioned that the Shanahan offense doesn't have a third down back in the offense, as his philosophy is that his roster of backs should be interchangeable regardless of down and distance.

In general, the Westbrook skill set is out of place in the Shanahan offense, however, I could see him being signed and returning punts (along, obviously, with getting his 70-80 carries and 20-30 receptions). Outside of that, I don't see him getting signed to replace one of the three vets we already have.

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[quote=GTripp0012;700373]It probably should be mentioned that the Shanahan offense doesn't have a third down back in the offense, as his philosophy is that his roster of backs should be interchangeable regardless of down and distance.

In general, the Westbrook skill set is out of place in the Shanahan offense, however, I could see him being signed and returning punts (along, obviously, with getting his 70-80 carries and 20-30 receptions). Outside of that, I don't see him getting signed to replace one of the three vets we already have.[/quote]
maybe Mike's doesn't but [URL="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/5734861.html"]perhaps[/URL] Kyle's offense does

don't see him being brought in as a return specialist either

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Even that season, Kyle didn't use a third down back. That might have had more to do with heading into the season planning to feature Ahman Green at RB than a failure to understand how Steve Slaton would adapt to the NFL game.

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Fair enough.

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i dont see westbrook as a return guy. if shanny/son and company think he can contribute more than parker, by all means, welcome.

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[quote=GTripp0012;700373]It probably should be mentioned that the Shanahan offense doesn't have a third down back in the offense, as his philosophy is that his roster of backs should be interchangeable regardless of down and distance.

In general, the Westbrook skill set is out of place in the Shanahan offense, however, I could see him being signed and returning punts (along, obviously, with getting his 70-80 carries and 20-30 receptions). Outside of that, I don't see him getting signed to replace one of the three vets we already have.[/quote]

I disagree. Steve Slaton was used quite often out of the backfield.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;700336]Imagine mcnabb in the shotgun, with portis and westbrook in the backfield moss and devin thomas as our WR's. You've got portis to block, and westbrook to catch in the backfield, and devin thomas and moss as deep threats. Thats sounds scary good to me.[/quote]

Sorry but Moss and Thomas really don't scare anyone. It would be nice to see Davis and Cooley in the lineup together w/ Westbrook coming out of the back field.

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We're talking about competition/depth accululation of unprecendented proportions. Great luxary to have...The R/B position (even without the thought of Westbrook) is going to present some fierce battles. Adding another high quality player to a position that's obviously going to need adjustment before the season starts is perplexing to say the least, despite the fact Westbrook is a player I wouldn't mind having.

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First of all, I just want to point out that with westbrook, portis, johnson, parker, McNabb, Moss, Cooley, Galloway, and our defense on our team, I'm pretty sure we have the most fantasy football points every year from from 3-5 years ago. I'm semi-proud of that.

But with regards to actually signing westbrook, I feel that it would not be good. Not that I wouldn't want to have him, but just because there is NO way that 4 RB's on our team will be able to get touches, especially with 4 players that have to have some of the biggest egos in the league based on their past production. If we sign him, one of the RB's is out the door, and they all know that, they will all be on edge, and that will affect our team chemistry. What westbrook has to add I do not believe to be worth the negative of messing with team chemistry. It will not add to competition either considering that 3 RB's competing for time is more than enough.

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[quote=skinster;700471]First of all, I just want to point out that with westbrook, portis, johnson, parker, McNabb, Moss, Cooley, Galloway, and our defense on our team, I'm pretty sure we have the most fantasy football points every year from from 3-5 years ago. I'm semi-proud of that.

But with regards to actually signing westbrook, I feel that it would not be good. Not that I wouldn't want to have him, but just because there is NO way that 4 RB's on our team will be able to get touches, especially with 4 players that have to have some of the biggest egos in the league based on their past production. If we sign him, one of the RB's is out the door, and they all know that, they will all be on edge, and that will affect our team chemistry. What westbrook has to add I do not believe to be worth the negative of messing with team chemistry. It will not add to competition either considering that 3 RB's competing for time is more than enough.[/quote]

I would agree that 4 aging running backs would be too much. It is my understanding that Parker would be the odd man out if Westbrook was signed. I don't know if I read that or dreamed it up, but that is my hunch. If Westbrook is in, Parker is out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;700387]Sorry but Moss and Thomas really don't scare anyone. It would be nice to see Davis and Cooley in the lineup together w/ Westbrook coming out of the back field.[/quote]

Well to put it more accurately, Zorn's offense didn't scare anyone either. I think this year we'll have a much better indication of what Thomas and Kelly are capable of. Moss, when healthy and focused, can be a darned good receiver.