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[quote=backrow;707559]Here is another multiple to add to multiple sources.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/redskins-possibly-close-to-lan.html]Redskins Insider - Redskins possibly close to landing tackle Jammal Brown[/url][/quote]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/19/no-extension-yet-for-jammal-brown/]No extension yet for Jammal Brown | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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Well, it looks like it's all over but the shouting.

Now. How much did we give up??

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It's common to let the veteran starter to continue to play his 'nurtural' postition (AH?). So Trent Williams will have to be groomed on the right side before he's shifted. You can imagine if Flozell came in it would be the same situation. This is how it's done.

Compensation
 

Interesting
[quote]Washington owes the Eagles a third- or fourth-round pick in 2011 for McNabb, based on how the quarterback plays or the team performs. If the Redskins win nine games, or go to the playoffs, or McNabb gets selected to the Pro Bowl, then Philadelphia will receive Washington's third-round pick and New Orleans will get Washington's fourth. If none of those happen, then the Eagles will get the Redskins' fourth-round pick and the Saints will get the Redskins' third-round pick.
[/quote]

Looks like their plan is to trade back in 2011 with their first and second round picks. Of course trading for a pro bowl tackle and QB in the same offseason is easily worth loosing a 3rd and 4th round pick. Easily a far cry from the days where we would spend those picks on the likes of Brandon Lloyd and TJ Ducket.

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

What college did Brown attend? Hmmm.

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

Updated: June 19, 2010, 5:30 PM ET
Source: Redskins agree on Brown deal


By Adam Schefter
ESPN
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The Washington Redskins and New Orleans Saints have agreed on a deal for Pro Bowl offensive tackle Jammal Brown, according to a team source.

The trade is subject to a physical. Brown flew to Washington mid-afternoon Saturday, and is scheduled to undergo the physical later in the day.

The Saints' compensation in the deal is tied to the Redskins' trade with the Eagles for quarterback Donovan McNabb.

After Saturday's trade for Brown, Washington will be without its third- and fourth-round picks in 2011, but it also will be getting back a later pick from New Orleans, according to a league source.

Washington owes the Eagles a third- or fourth-round pick in 2011 for McNabb, based on how the quarterback plays or the team performs. If the Redskins win nine games, or go to the playoffs, or McNabb gets selected to the Pro Bowl, then Philadelphia will receive Washington's third-round pick and New Orleans will get Washington's fourth. If none of those happen, then the Eagles will get the Redskins' fourth-round pick and the Saints will get the Redskins' third-round pick.

If the Saints recieve Washington's fourth-round pick, then the Redskins will get a sixth- or seventh-round pick back from the Saints. However, if Washington's fourth-round pick goes to Philadelphia, then the Redskins get fifth-round pick from New Orleans.

There is also a conditional 2012 sixth-round pick involved. Should Brown play 90 percent of the plays next season or get voted to the Pro Bowl, then Washington will send its 2012 sixth-round pick to New Orleans. After Saturday's trade, Washington has six picks left in the 2011 draft.

If everything goes through, the Redskins will have options at offensive tackle. Brown and first-round pick Trent Williams can play either tackle position. But the initial plan is to have Williams at left and Brown at right.

Brown has only one year remaining on his contract. The Redskins have no plans in place to sign Brown to a long-term extension yet, but they ultimately plan to keep him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;707557]Yeah, it's very rare for a team to carry 10 OL. I mean we did it last year but you have to consider that the 10th guy was D'Anthony Batiste. Personally I think that Rinehart and Williams get cut while Cook and Kory L. stay. Of course if Rinehart emerges as a serious threat then they could easily put Cook on the practice squad.




Either way we could easily have the best pair of bookends for the second time in the last 10 years. Right now some other pairs to look out for to contend for this all important ego title are as follows

49ers - Staley/Davis
Baltimore - Gaither/Oher - Soon to be broken up
Miami - Long/Carey - [I]current champions[/I]
Jets - Ferguson/Woody
Vikings - McKinne/Loadholt - Though I keep hearing these days that McKinne is only average.
Carolina - Gross/Otah
Jacksonville - Monroe/Britton

Either way isn't everyone glad now that we didn't sign Chad Clifton to a massive contract?[/quote]

lol could any title mean less...let's chill with the comparisons for a minute, Brown isn't even on the time and Trent Williams is a green rookie. I don't think we are even in the conversation of having an OL in the top half of the league yet.

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Yes!!!! Decent O-line + McNabb + Fred Davis = instantly improved offense

We should have done this years ago :)

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[quote=GTripp0012;707546][B]Is it really so much better if Jamaal Brown gets schooled by Ware in Week 1?[/B] Seems like, even if Williams ended up needed help the whole game, at least we get a learning experience out of it.[/quote]
I don't think he will get owned Tripp. Brown has been a dominant player before his injury, and I believe even with the injury he is instantly head and shoulders above what we currently have at Tackle. I can personally vouch for him being in shape,[COLOR=black] I have seen him at the gym every week day this spring/summer. [/COLOR]

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Huge move....Brown is good for [U]at least [/U]3-4 years at RT. Unbelievable great move by the front office to get a quality tackle, I feel a million times better now with McNabb back there and for the running game as a whole. Wow HTTR

Re: Compensation
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;707565]Interesting


Looks like their plan is to trade back in 2011 with their first and second round picks. Of course trading for a pro bowl tackle and QB in the same offseason is easily worth loosing a 3rd and 4th round pick. Easily a far cry from the days where we would spend those picks on the likes of Brandon Lloyd and TJ Ducket.[/quote][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5306133]Source: Washington Redskins agree to deal for Jammal Brown of New Orleans Saints - ESPN[/url]

Yeah, McNabb and Brown is a much improved haul from the days where we used to get one year rentals on bad players for the same price.

Maybe by next regime, we'll start getting picks for our players!

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[quote=GTripp0012;707573][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5306133]Source: Washington Redskins agree to deal for Jammal Brown of New Orleans Saints - ESPN[/url]

Yeah, McNabb and Brown is a much improved haul from the days where we used to get one year rentals on bad players for the same price.

[B]Maybe by next regime, we'll start getting picks for our players[/B]![/quote]

Wait, I ... I ... don't ... understand ...

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Third and Fourth round picks for pro-bowl quality players with a 3-5 year career still ahead of them? Nice.

Do we dare dream that we get 5 years and 3 pro bowls (and a couple SB's) out of each of these guys???

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[quote=Redskin Jim;707571]I don't think he will get owned Tripp. Brown has been a dominant player before his injury, and I believe even with the injury he is instantly head and shoulders above what we currently have at Tackle. I can personally vouch for him being in shape,[COLOR=black] I have seen him at the gym every week day this summer. [/COLOR][/quote]Brown has always had his struggles against the pass, though those appeared to go away when he got paired up with a healthy Brees. McNabb isn't quite the lightning quick trigger man that Brees is (nor is he as clueless in the pocket as Aaron Brooks was), so a lot of his pass protection issues are going to resurface this year.

However, with a move over to the right side, he's not going to be facing the other team's top pass rusher 30 times a game. And he fixes the major weakness in our line, which was that the RT position could have previously been exploited between 5-7 times per game at the choosing of the defensive coaches.

Brown doesn't give us a pair of bookends at tackle that we can rely on for the next 6 to 8 years, but he'll be more than competent in the role we have for him. I generally give players the benefit of the doubt when it comes to conditioning, but it's certainly good information that he's definately in playing shape and will be a contributor from the first day of training camp.

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Now we send AH to seattle for their 2011 3rd and 4th.

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

[quote=GTripp0012;707576]Brown has always had his struggles against the pass, though those appeared to go away when he got paired up with a healthy Brees. McNabb isn't quite the lightning quick trigger man that Brees is (nor is he as clueless in the pocket as Aaron Brooks was), so a lot of his pass protection issues are going to resurface this year.

However, with a move over to the right side, he's not going to be facing the other team's top pass rusher 30 times a game. And he fixes the major weakness in our line, which was that the RT position could have previously been exploited between 5-7 times per game at the choosing of the defensive coaches.

Brown doesn't give us a pair of bookends at tackle that we can rely on for the next 6 to 8 years, but he'll be more than competent in the role we have for him. I generally give players the benefit of the doubt when it comes to conditioning, but it's certainly good information that he's definately in playing shape and will be a contributor from the first day of training camp.[/quote]

Going into last year Scout's Inc considered Brown to be the 5th best tackle in the league:
[quote]2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 82 | Key


Comment: Brown has been New Orleans' starting left tackle since being drafted in the first round of the 2005 draft. He is a good-sized tackle with excellent balance, body control and athleticism. He does a good job of keeping his pad level down and blocking with leverage. He can kick step out to pick up the speed rusher off the edge and still react and adjust to react to counter moves. He could do a better job of finishing his drive blocks off as he tends to let opponents recover and work their way back into the play. While Brown might not be an elite left tackle he certainly provides a quality starter that can hold down the left side.[/quote]

Wouldn't have guessed though that he was considered a top 5 tackle based on that draft report. Just for Comparisons sake Chris Samuels was rated a 79.


[quote=rbanerjee23;707569]lol could any title mean less...let's chill with the comparisons for a minute, Brown isn't even on the time and Trent Williams is a green rookie. I don't think we are even in the conversation of having an OL in the top half of the league yet.[/quote]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. However while we're at it I forgot possibly the best pair on that list. Roos and Stewart from Tenneesee. You don't get a 2,000 yard rusher with nothing but a shifty running back. Right now I'd say that it's between Miami and Tenneesee for the best pair of bookends.

Also as a disclaimer I forgot to say that we could have the best pair in a year or two, not this year though we will be among the best when it comes to bookends, just not the top pair. Jacksonville has a pretty amazing duo on the rise in Monroe and Britton and San Fran is not far behind with Staley and Davis. In the end though I think Williams is going to develop a lot faster then people think. He might not have a Joe Thomas or Jake Long type rookie season but he's still going to be very good in 2010.

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"Brown has always had struggles against the pass"??? do you mean in pass protection? He's a huge upgrade over Heyer/Williams at any rate so a massive improvement should be the least we can expect.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;707575]Third and Fourth round picks for pro-bowl quality players with a 3-5 year career still ahead of them? Nice.

Do we dare dream that we get 5 years and 3 pro bowls (and a couple SB's) out of each of these guys???[/quote]
Don't forget about that 2nd round pick we gave up too

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Lets hope that our three-headed RB / rushing attack gets going right out of the gate , that will go along way towards our success .

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

[quote=GTripp0012;707576]Brown has always had his struggles against the pass, though those appeared to go away when he got paired up with a healthy Brees. McNabb isn't quite the lightning quick trigger man that Brees is (nor is he as clueless in the pocket as Aaron Brooks was), so a lot of his pass protection issues are going to resurface this year.

However, with a move over to the right side, he's not going to be facing the other team's top pass rusher 30 times a game. And he fixes the major weakness in our line, which was that the RT position could have previously been exploited between 5-7 times per game at the choosing of the defensive coaches.

Brown doesn't give us a pair of bookends at tackle that we can rely on for the next 6 to 8 years, but he'll be more than competent in the role we have for him. I generally give players the benefit of the doubt when it comes to conditioning, but it's certainly good information that he's definately in playing shape and will be a contributor from the first day of training camp.[/quote]
I think if he returns to his old form, we got a heck of a deal.

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Great trade for the Redskins. We get a young and talented tackle that has played on the left side for probably a fourth round pick and get another pick back next season. Good pickup now just jettison Mr. Haynesworth for another future pick.

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Love this move.

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Hell yes! It looks like we might have a real OL this year! And a Pro Bowl OT for such a cheap price!

Shanallen, this Bud's for you. :food-smil

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[quote=Lotus;707588]Hell yes! It looks like we might have a real OL this year! And a Pro Bowl OT for such a cheap price!

Shanallen, this Bud's for you. :food-smil[/quote]
I'm with you Lotus! :food-smil
I will definitely be celebrating this tonight.

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Championship!!! LMAO

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Every year we get all excited about our off season moves and we get let down every year. For some odd reason this year just feels like we really have something going on here. McNabb, Carriker and now Brown we've finally made some real moves for the team and not for jersey sales.

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[quote=warpaint;707597]Every year we get all excited about our off season moves and we get let down every year. For some odd reason this year just feels like we really have something going on here. McNabb, Carriker and now Brown we've finally made some real moves for the team and not for jersey sales.[/quote]

Because the likely return on these investments is the equivalent of buying stock from Microsoft on the IPO or Apple right before the I-Pod came out.

Re: Compensation
 

[quote=GTripp0012;707573][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5306133]Source: Washington Redskins agree to deal for Jammal Brown of New Orleans Saints - ESPN[/url]

Yeah, McNabb and Brown is a much improved haul from the days where we used to get one year rentals on bad players for the same price.

[B]Maybe by next regime, we'll start getting picks for our players[/B]![/quote]

Why wait until the next regime? Send Lazy-Ass Albert for a 3rd rounder and can of PBR...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;707528]Yes!!! Our offense will be a threat for the first time in years![/quote]


Hardly. That just means we have one solid veteran and the superstar rook as starters. Our depth is horrid at offensive line. Except for Trent and now Jamaal, our line is a bunch of scrubs.

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Competition Competition Competition i'm loving it our FO is looking great.

HTTR.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;707600]Hardly. That just means we have one solid veteran and the superstar rook as starters. Our depth is horrid at offensive line. Except for Trent and now Jamaal, our line is a bunch of scrubs.[/quote]

Really? I think we have to much depth right now. Rabach is a solid center, same with Dockery at LG. At RG we could easily get another solid starter in Artis Hicks, or possibly a huge return on BMW. Personally I think that BMW can be on par with Leonard Davis, but that's just me. Either way worst case scenario you have Artis Hicks as your starting RG.

As for the depth. This is my favorite part of the line, no longer will we have to rely on D'Anthony Batiste or Will 'Danger Jason Campbell' Robinson. Let's look at the contenders.

Kory Lichtensteiger - A fourth round pick by Shanahan two years ago that was cut because he didn't fit Denver's new Power Blocking scheme. It's not uncommon to find starting Centers in rounds 3-5. He'll eventually replace Rabach.

Selvish Capers - Projected as high as the second round. Has all the physical tools to succeed in a zone blocking scheme, and now he'll most likely have a little more time to develop. Some of Shanahan's best lineman have come from the 7th round of the draft.

Eric Cook - Love his size. Played Center, Guard, and LT in college. Again Shanahan has found guys that can play up front in the 7th round before. I wouldn't expect him to play this year but wouldn't be scared if he was forced into duty.

Artis Hicks - Solid veteran that can play Guard or Tackle.

Chad Rinehart - Apparently started to show promise last year before he got injured. It'll be interesting to see how he plays this year. He's certainly got the athleticism Shanahan likes seeing how he played LT last year. At the same time he could easily get cut but thats because more then anything we're deep at OL this year.

Edwin Williams - Might be the Taylor Jacobs of the offensive line in that he was considered great in practice. However at the same time he did earn praise last year and could easily make the final roster

Stephon Heyer - I'm not to high on him anymore especially with our situation at Tackle now but the fact of the matter is he has played well in the past and he does have starting experience.

If that isn't depth I don't what is. Either way the offensive line is fixed from a talent standpoint. Now the only things left is to see how fast everyone can gel. I wish Buge's got a chance to coach this line, God knows he deserved a group like this.

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Bruce Allen on Brown:

[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Acquire_Brown_In_Trade_With_Saints_125988.jsp"]Redskins Acquire Brown In Trade With Saints[/URL]

“We are pleased to add another proven NFL competitor to our team,” Redskins executive vice president/general manager Bruce Allen said in a press release.
The move comes as a mild surprise.
The Redskins completed off-season work last Thursday and the starting five of rookie Trent Williams, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Mike Williams and Artis Hicks were praised for the work ethic and togetherness.
Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan told reporters on Thursday that he felt he had a "good group," but he did acknowledge concerns with depth.
Brown, a five-year veteran, is a starting-caliber left tackle--he earned Pro Bowl honors at the position in 2006 and 2008. He has also played right tackle in his career.
The trade certainly gives the Redskins some flexibility on the offensive line.
For example, Brown’s experience at left tackle could allow Shanahan to shift Trent Williams to right tackle--the position he played three years at Oklahoma--and move Hicks inside to right guard. Or Williams could stay at left tackle and Brown could be inserted at right tackle.

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It is good to finally have a FO that is resourceful in getting talent and has a plan. Good job!

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Can you picture BA at a Flea Market:

I will give you $10 for that bracelet, next year, and you will have to give me $1 back. Unless of course I really like my other bracelet, that has nothing to do with this one, then I will pay you $8 and you will owe me $3.

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I love it too. No more Heyer. Ideally, Shanny can now find a TD or Orlandis Gary in somewhere. If we cound trade AH for a DB I'd feel pretty good. Even a nickel back.

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Like the move to get Brown, but we have to stop trading away picks for players.

I think we can completely put to rest the notion the Redskins are rebuilding. This is a win now strategy, which makes the defensive switch even more perplexing.

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[quote=The Goat;707618]Like the move to get Brown, but we have to stop trading away picks for players.

I think we can completely put to rest the notion the Redskins are rebuilding. This is a win now strategy, which makes the defensive switch even more perplexing.[/quote]

This pick isn't a win now move it's a fix a the O-lines troubles. This a good move we needed to make. Also I want to win now I'm tired of losing.

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Yeah, I don't think this hurts the future. I think it is a win now and win later move. Love it!

Re: Report: Redskins Have Traded for Jammal Brown
 

[quote=The Goat;707618]Like the move to get Brown, but we have to stop trading away picks for players.

I think we can completely put to rest the notion the Redskins are rebuilding. This is a win now strategy, which makes the defensive switch even more perplexing.[/quote]

I would not be surprised if Shanny didn't already have something up his sleeve to trade Haynesworth away to recoup picks from what was lost from this trade with the Saints. This ain't a Cerrato run organization anymore....

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Mr. Smithers would have given up two second round picks for this guy.

Cheers Bruce Allen! Thank you for understanding the concept of trade value.

This could be huge!